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Three motherboards for Intel and AMD CPUs: June 2007

By | June 12, 2007, 7:08am PDT

Summary: It’s June 2007 and we have a whole new generation of motherboards for AMD and Intel.  If you’re looking to buy (or build) a new computer, you’ll want to read on.  See more images of these motherboards at higher resolution. [UPDATE 6/13/2007 - Learn out to use these motherboards to build a brand new computer] Intel 3-Series [...]

It’s June 2007 and we have a whole new generation of motherboards for AMD and Intel.  If you’re looking to buy (or build) a new computer, you’ll want to read on.  See more images of these motherboards at higher resolution.

[UPDATE 6/13/2007 - Learn out to use these motherboards to build a brand new computer]

Intel 3-Series Chipset
Intel launched a new set of motherboard chipsets called the “3-Series”.  The lower-end G33 integrated graphics chipset and the mid- to high-end P35 chipset became available this month.  A high-end X38 chipset and G35 integrated graphics chipset will be available from Intel in the fall.  The 3-series chipset supports DDR3 memory in addition to DDR2 memory (excluding the G33) and the upcoming 45 nm Intel “Penryn” CPUs coming out later in the year.  Power consumption has also been improved and the north- and south-bridge are passively cooled.  The upcoming G35 will also feature full DX10 embedded graphics for better Vista gaming graphics.

The 3-series has the new ICH9 storage controller it improves on an already solid ICH8 which had phenomenal RAID performance.  The Intel ICH9R (”R” designates the RAID version of the ICH controllers) now lets you create a RAID Level 5 array with up to 6 drives.  Another really interesting feature of the ICH9 south-bridge storage controller is that it has a 4x eSATA (external SATA) expander which means each SATA port can connect up to 4 hard drives and this opens up a lot of possibilities for fast external storage.

AMD 690G Chipset
AMD launched the G690 integrated graphics chipset back in March.  Intel has long dominated the embedded graphics chipset market but AMD wants a piece of the action.  While there’s little glory in the embedded graphics chipset market since no one gets excited about baseline performance, more than 90% of retail PCs sold come with embedded graphics and the stakes are extremely high.  AMD with a merged ATI wants to invade the market with its new 690G and 690V chipset and eat away at Intel’s incumbent G965 with an aggressive price point.  But now the Intel G33 is out and we’ll see how these motherboards stack up.

Gigabyte P35T-DQ6 Intel P35

The Gigabyte P35T-DQ6 comes with the newest Intel P35 “3-Series” chipset and it comes in an unusually large box.  This motherboard has a street price starting at $180 [UPDATE 10:11PM - $249 is the starting street price.  I was looking at a very similar model that sold for $179].

The newest Intel P35 chipset supports all current socket 775 CPUs as well as the upcoming Intel “Penryn” 45 nm processors.

Key features of the Gigabyte P35T-DQ6 are the 6-port SATA-300 Intel ICH9R RAID controller with eSATA expander, DDR2 as well as DDR3 memory support, 2 additional SATA-300 ports, floppy drive port, PATA UDMA-100, 2 IEEE 1394a, 8-channel audio, 4 USB 2.0 connectors with 8-ports, Gigabit Ethernet.

Another box within a box to further protect the Gigabyte P35T-DQ6 motherboard.  No packaging expense is spared for this mid- to high-end motherboard with a street price starting at $180.

After removing the plastic cover and the paper/foam protector for the exotic heat pipes and fins, we can see some serious cooling capability for the north- and south-bridge chipsets.  This allows for some hardcore overclocking because the chipset can stay cool while the motherboard clock speed is raised.  The 3-series chipset motherboards all use passive chipset cooling whereas some older chipsets permitted noisy and unreliable fans.

This is a detailed top view of the Gigabyte P35T-DQ6.

The Gigabyte P35T-DQ6 contains lots of cables, manuals and quick start guides.  There is a 2-port eSATA with a Molex power connector for fast external storage.  Along with the killer storage features of the ICH9R, the two extra SATA ports let you hookup SATA-based DVD burners and other optical drives without using up any of your RAID ports though you can still attach hard drives to these ports.  Storage is unfortunately one of those things people skimp on even in so-called performance PCs, but the performance of a computer is mostly limited to storage I/O performance and you can’t call a computer high-performance unless the storage performs well.  With the whopping 8 SATA ports, the Gigabyte P35T-DQ6 hits the spot on storage capacity and performance.

If you’re looking for a high-performance computer with aggressive overclocking capability and compatibility with future Intel 45 nm chips, the P35T-DQ6 is a very good choice.

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Thanks for the suggestion, but driver not ready for G33
georgeou 17th Jun 2007
Thanks for the suggestion, but the vertex shader capable driver is still not ready for the G33 or G965 yet and won't be till August. By then, the G35 with DX10 drivers will be available though we don't know if the the DX10 driver will be complete.
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Such Vibrant Colors
dragosani 12th Jun 2007
Those motherboards sure are colorful.
As they should be. Should be no complaints from AMD fans today since I hammered Intel on the integrated graphics 3D problem and the lack of DVI/HDMI.
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AMD board featured LAST!
Robert Crocker 12th Jun 2007
Heh, just kidding. :-D (Never say people don't have anything to complain about.)
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Is the AMD motherbord ready..
Arnout Groen 12th Jun 2007
for the Barcelona processor? You talked about Intell's penryn processors in your article, but not about Barcelona..

BTW: nice to read, that you're happy about something which is related to AMD.. wink
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I do not believe it will work for the Barcelona. I could be wrong but I think you need a slightly upgraded AM2 or an AM3 motherboard. Furthermore, the 690G is a mainstream line product, Barcelona will initially be very high-end.
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That is for certain
nucrash 12th Jun 2007
Barcelona is for the Opteron Line which is up to a Socket F or 1207 pin ordeal. That is what I can remember from my head and not looking.

I know that Barcelona is definitly a different Pin configuration from AM2, AM2+, or AM3.
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Phenom will work
Robert Crocker 12th Jun 2007
The rebranded name for the quad core chip Phenom will support socket AM2 and also a new socket 1207. So you'll be able to go quad-core with an AM2 motherboard.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2987
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I could swear that I seen the phrase "Build in 3D Graphic"

Does that mean we get to build the 3D Graphic in the motherboard our self, or is it like the old G.I. Joe stuff that has some assembly required.

I do find humor in selling computer components with labels that look like they were written by a six year old.

George, I think your daughter could catch that.

On a more serious note, do you think that poor presentation of a product takes away from your idea of the quality of the product?
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If that is the worst case scenario...
Confused by religion 12th Jun 2007
... you have yet to read the poorly translated instructions on many consumer products imported from Asia using a non-English speaker for the translations. I think Jay Leno has done a few bits with some of the most outlandishly poor translations. They always crack me up since I see quite a few of them personally every year.
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Sounds like a plug for Engrish.com
nucrash 12th Jun 2007
I fail to remember that most manufacturers are not from English speaking countries.

Sorry, had a moment of selfishness there.

Granted, their English is better than my Japanese, Korean, and Chinese.

ja mata
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Engrish is Japanese import
georgeou 12th Jun 2007
Engrish is Japanese import. The Chinese often have problems saying the "r" unless they're from Beijing. I?ve noticed that the Japanese tend to reverse r and l in the way they say them. It?s like the Spanish speakers wanting to say y as j and j as h.

But as always, most Americans should be mindful that ?Engrish? speakers are better at English than Americans at Japanese or just about any other language. Fortunately, English IS the second language of choice in the whole world.
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Not only do I find myself offending those who do me the honor of supplying me
with good quality hardware, but also I am insulting the largest nation in the world.

Although I do find a large amount of truth in what you say. Many people in the US
only have the ability to speak a single language, and they can not even do that
properly. What I consider worse is the fact that I deal with the small community
mentality of, "If they(foreigners) are going to come over here, then they should
learn to speak the langauge." Since I work for a foreign owned company, I have a
different approach saying that, "If another country is willing to supply me with a
job, perhaps I should learn their language."

Back to the original topic though, Good review on all three. I won't be building
another system for a couple years, but if I need to build a friend a small rig, I
atleast have some options.
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Nah I'm not picking on you
georgeou 12th Jun 2007
Actually, I (as an immigrant) would support English as the official language. Supposedly (and I say that loosely), no one should become naturalized as a citizen without mastery of the English language. There's no reason not to have a common bond within a nation. Getting rid of bilingual education in California was the best thing ever done for immigrant students and even its most hardened opponents saw the light when they saw the phenomenal results.

That doesn't mean I oppose learning other languages, it?s just that I think people should know the native standardized language. However, I don't think an accent or slightly broken English is a big problem and it's pretty understandable for foreigners. However, I don't believe foreigners are entitled to convert the host nation to their language.
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Motherboard makers are almost all from Taiwan and you can often catch these things in their manuals.

I don't think it completely ruins the presentation but it is annoying. They should get someone who is better at English.
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AMD (ATI) 690G
not of this world 12th Jun 2007
I read on another sight, that although the ATI 1250 was not a screamer with high_end gaming as an addon card would be in a desktop.

it was reported that for laptops integrated graphics, it would
outperform the Intel G950

however, the ATI 1250 was a direct X 9 implementation.


FYI, thanks
It outperforms the G950 because G950 lacks fully functional drivers. Specifically the vertex shaders.
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If dual video output is needed...
magpie_z 16th Jun 2007
for the Intel solution, the Intel DG33L does indeed sport 1 VGA and 1 DVI-D output. This is a board that does not have overclocking but if stability and warrantee float your boat, at $125.00 through distribution, it is a decent way to go. Also with the 3100 graphics they finally kicked the core freq to 400MHz and now has a full 256Mb capability shared. Plus did I see Pixel Shader 2.0 on it with DX9C?

GMA 3100 Graphics Controller
The Intel GMA 3100 features the following:
? 400 MHz core frequency
? High quality texture engine:
⎯ DX9.0c* and OpenGL* 1.4 compliant
⎯ Hardware Pixel Shader 2.0
⎯ Vertex Shader Model 2.0
? 3D Graphics Rendering enhancements:
⎯ 1.6 dual texture GigaPixel/s maximum fill rate
⎯ 16-bit and 32-bit color
⎯ Maximum 3D supported resolution of 1600 x 1200 x 32 at 85 Hz refresh
⎯ Vertex cache
? Video
⎯ Software DVD at 30 fps full screen
⎯ Adaptive deinterlacing
⎯ Dynamic Video Memory Technology (DVMT) support up to 256 MB
⎯ Intel? Clear Video Technology
? Display
⎯ Intel TV Wizard utility (step-by-step setup help for TVs and displays)
⎯ Up to 2048 x 1536 at 75 Hz refresh (QXGA)
⎯ DVI 1.0 compliant
⎯ Dual independent display options with digital display
⎯ Hardware color cursor support
⎯ High Definition Content Protection (HDCP) version 1.1 support
⎯ DDC2B compliant interface with Advanced Digital Display 2 card or Media
Expansion Card (ADD2/MEC), support for TV-out/TV-in and DVI digital display
connections
⎯ Supports flat panels up to 2048 x 1536 at 75 Hz refresh (when in dual-channel
mode) or digital CRT/HDTV at 1920 x 1080 at 60 Hz refresh (with ADD2/MEC)

Yeah, the ADD card can still be an issue, but in an attempt to shrink case size for more of a CE feel, any reduction in additional processing and heat needs to be addressed.

Oh, yeah, great articles on available boards and solutions.
Thanks for the suggestion, but the vertex shader capable driver is still not ready for the G33 or G965 yet and won't be till August. By then, the G35 with DX10 drivers will be available though we don't know if the the DX10 driver will be complete.
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Semantic disconnect
Yagotta B. Kidding 12th Jun 2007
As far as I?m concerned, .NET is fine for rapid development custom applications but I absolutely do not want it in my drivers because device drivers need to be lean and mean.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Hard-core geek thinking maps "device driver" to something like a "driver" in *nix: low-level code that strokes the hardware so that the operating system can talk to it. Typically runs at Ring 0.

The rest of the world maps "device driver" to the whole package that comes with the hardware: not only the low-level silicon stroker but the gooey stuff that lets you select the boot-time splash screen, update the BIOS, select video resolutions, etc. etc. etc.

The first patently must be low-level and can't run VMs such as the .NET CLI -- the performance would be imperceptible.

The latter, on the other hand, can run to gigabytes [1] of user-interface code and has no particular performance requirements -- but does have profound needs in the reliability/correctness department for large bodies of code. Maybe even security, since it has to have access to low-level functions that control Ring 0 behavior.

Bottom line: I think you're being too hard on the driver-development people here, George, primarily due to a misunderstanding.

[1] OK, maybe a slight exaggeration. Or not.
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That was my first thought too
t_mohajir 12th Jun 2007
The .NET runtime is used for the front end to allow the user to change settings, it is NOT used for the actual drivers. I think the use of .NET is entirely appropriate in this case.
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ATI on Driver Development
nucrash 12th Jun 2007
From a distributed computing perspective. Stanford picked ATI first because of performance or ease of development. I can't remember which. All of that seems null and void because of the power of nVidia's latest batch of cards and ATI's weak response.

Although if you really want to think about this, .net would probably be easier to develop for although ATI doesn't always to the best job. Although with DirectX 10, no one seems to be winning that battle, nor does anyone apparently care to right now.
I don't think I'm being hard at all. I just think Drivers should eat up 100+ MB of storage and 40 MB of RAM. I just think the driver interface shouldn't take 5 seconds to launch. ATI is the only graphics vendor doing this, and I don't like it.
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Surely, you miss the "not" in that sentence
Yamust B. Kiddingme 14th Jun 2007
"I just think Drivers should eat up 100+ MB of storage and 40 MB of RAM."

Surely, you must have meant to say: "... Drivers should eat up..." ?
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Oops!
Yamust B. Kiddingme 14th Jun 2007
"I just think Drivers should eat up 100+ MB of storage and 40 MB of RAM."

Surely, you must have meant to say: "... Drivers should not eat up..." ?
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Yes, that was a typo
georgeou 14th Jun 2007
nt
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I agree
rschror 12th Jun 2007
I agree with George, when I think drivers I think some fast high level code. I'm not saying it's got to be down to the low level but at least to the API level. .net is a collection of libraries on top of the API level and is meant for Rapid Dev. I'm sure some optimized code can be done in .net but I don't want to see it.

I would throw away a card that ran .net drivers they would be bloated. 5 second load up times sound about right for some .net code I've seen out there. I'm a .net coder but I have never coded something so bloated to take 5 seconds to load. 2 maybe.

Anyways code it in C# or something non-visual and you'll have a winner.
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The ATI drivers are extremely bloated and slow. I go out of my way to disable the control panel.

Intel is pretty thorough about driver support (except for 3d) and they've had high I/O utilization in some of their graphics drivers. In fact some versions would cause the desktop to freeze and CPU to spike for 20 seconds if you just right clicked on the desktop. Newer drivers are slightly better but there is still a noticeable pause.

NVIDIA (while imperfect) is the best of the lot when it comes to drivers. It?s just that ATI has always given a little more performance for the dollar.
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How do you....
johnson12 13th Jun 2007
I can't imagine having to get up and go to your job. It must be soooo depressing knowing you may be given the latest hot new hardware to hit the market to test.

All the while knowing all us hw geeks out there are drooling and so envious of you.
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It's a lot of fun playing with these tech toys happy.
But it's also a lot of work compiling these reviews and build lists like this http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=539.
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MSI
ted185@... 14th Jun 2007
Has MSI motherborads gotten any better. I had built serveral pc's with MSI motherboards and each failed 1 year after they were built
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I've never had an MSI board fail on me. I had one board that refused to take a CPU upgrade and MSI offered to exchange it after the warrantee was over.
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Overcloking the AMD X2
phillfri 14th Jun 2007
Can't overclock the AMD X2s you say. Take a quick review of overclcoking articles about the AMD X2 3600+ (Also a 65W efficiency cpu). Some testers are claiming this is one of the best overclocking CPUs that has ever been produced. For this CPU, 50-60% overclocking on standard cooling is not unheard of. And pushing it with god cooling, some people have literally doubled this CPU's speed.
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AMD X2s can't go far about the 3 GHz mark. It's not possible. Doubling a 3600 would produce a 3.8 GHz X2 which is impossible.

Doubling a Core 2 Duo 1.83 MIGHT be possible with liquid cooling and luck.

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