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Undercover NBC Dateline reporter bolts from DEFCON 2007

By | August 3, 2007, 5:29pm PDT

Summary: Undercover reporter Michelle Madigan (Associate Producer of NBC Dateline) got a little more than she bargained for when she tried to sneak in to DEFCON 2007 with hidden cameras to get someone to confess to a felony.  When DEFCON staff announced the “spot the undercover reporter” game and told the audience that an undercover reporter [...]

Undercover reporter Michelle Madigan (Associate Producer of NBC Dateline) got a little more than she bargained for when she tried to sneak in to DEFCON 2007 with hidden cameras to get someone to confess to a felony.  When DEFCON staff announced the “spot the undercover reporter” game and told the audience that an undercover reporter was taking video to catch someone confessing to a hacking crime, Madigan bolted from the conference premises followed by a pack of ~150 DEFCON attendees and reporters trying to photograph and video tape her.  DEFCON officials never got the chance to bring Madigan on stage to offer her a press badge so that she could cover the rest of the event above board.

DEFCON organizers caught wind of this from undisclosed sources and casually contacted Madigan to see if she wanted official press credentials and a press badge to cover DEFCON.  Reporters in the pressroom were then fully briefed on the situation before the “spot the undercover reporter game” so that they could cover the event.

According to Senior DEFCON official “Priest” who works for the Government in his day job, Madigan declined press credentials on four separate occasions  (twice on phone and twice at DEFCON).  Madigan proceeded to register as a regular DEFCON attendee and even told a DEFCON staffer that she was going to the bathroom to get her hidden camera ready.  When a DEFCON goon (staffer) explained to Madigan that secret video taping wasn’t allowed, Madigan not knowing she was speaking to a goon replied that she didn’t think it wasn’t a problem.  The staffer then followed Madigan around and watched her as she panned her hidden camera around the entire “Capture the flag” room to get unauthorized video of the members.

Madigan was apparently trying to do a shock piece for NBC Dateline to show middle America how criminal underground hackers had descended on DEFCON Las Vegas to learn tricks of the trade and how Federal Agents were tracking them down.  When a DEFCON staffer spoke to Madigan posing as regular attendee, Madigan commented that people in Kansas (reference to middle America) would be very interested in what was “really” going on in DEFCON.  DEFCON official “Priest” also had reason to believe that that Madigan was planning to out uncover federal agents attending DEFCON and expressed some serious concern about the safety and privacy of those agents.  Because of this, staffers used this to lure Madigan to the room where they planned to out her instead in front of DEFCON attendees in the “spot the undercover reporter” game but Madigan bolted from the scene before her photo was put up on the projector.

The sad part of this story is that Madigan was given every opportunity to get a press pass and get access to any of the speakers and attendees above board.  Even after the secret video taping she was offered a chance cover the rest of the conference with an official press badge.  This is my second year covering DEFCON and I’ve never had any problems getting photos or video from willing attendees and speakers but that’s not what Madigan was going after.  She wanted to paint a picture that would shock “people in Kansas” about DEFCON and that’s not what DEFCON is about.  The Feds, Press, and hacker community have built up a level of mutual trust at DEFCON so that we have a place to talk openly and honestly.  After taking an unofficial poll in the press room here, not one person appreciated Madigan’s antics.

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RE: Undercover NBC Dateline reporter bolts from DEFCON 2007
sandlefoot 22nd Feb 2010
If you want a good story, something to get on tape, for the world to see, go undercover and show the world how Connexis is destroying so many people, taking their money, yet they are getting nothing out of it! I, for one. People have thousands of dollars in Connexis, trusting that they are being taken care of, and then they are being billed, told they are no morE! These people are the sorriest excuse of a business I have ever seen. They take your money, but what they do with it? I should know. I am one of those people. And though my husband's business, we can't pull out, because he has to stay in it at least one year! He put back a good bit of money for my medicine. I need this for my meds, but because he got his contacts, they are saying his doctor bills didn't come through. We have shown EVERYTHING TWICE! Even faxed it! If this does not go through, then The card won't work at all. I can't get my meds with it. This has been doing this all over the U.S. with peopel. They are doing this to everybody. What are they doing, and why?
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Typical reporter
otaddy 3rd Aug 2007
The fact that she refused an official press badge proves that she was more interested in stirring up controversy than in providing factual coverage of the events.

She should apply to Fox News as they are always looking for people with these skills.
With all due respect, Dateline has a habbit of doing this.
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With all due respects
Ken_z 3rd Aug 2007
It's good (and rather funny) to see them get caught with
their knickers down. Hopefully the network will apologize
to the attendees (sure they will) or at least show the outing
on one of the news shows.
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more due respect
@ShaneX 6th Aug 2007
You're right, Dateline is HORRIBLE with this type of mis-information. Though, Fox news with its "Fox Investigates" pieces is right up there as well.
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RE: With all due respect...
GreyGeek 6th Aug 2007
But, isn't that the question? Exactly how much respect are they due?

IIRC, this is the same show that to prove a certain brand of trucks unsafe repeatedly hit it at such an angle and in such a way as to maximize the possibility of a gas tank rupture and possible fire. Then, when their normal collisions failed to create the required sensational explosion, they planted explosive devices on the trucks to make their gasoline tanks explode to "Prove" they were unsafe at low speed collisions.

Is that the respect you were referring to?
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Very good point 'typical report' (eom)
BillyG_n_SC 4th Aug 2007
.
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... of what occurred! This story was about a Dateline reporter. When Fox is caught doing this then feel free to drag them into it. In the mean time attacking Fox for something that NBC did is completely out of line.
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For Fox is allowed to do this, and if not allowed, when it does do it, it is the morally right thing to do. Long live Fox, your national voice of the Republican Party. They are so far right they can't be wrong. Some would disagree with the above, but they are the same people who would argue with a sign post.
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RE: Fox bias
GreyGeek 6th Aug 2007
Is Fox News the national voice of the Republican Party?

Is that why you have reporters who worked for CNN moving to Fox and some who worked for Fox now working for CNN?

That Move-on.org kool-aid must be pretty tasty. You seem to have drunk a lot of it.
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No need to attack Fox
FatherJ 6th Aug 2007
Just their mere existence speaks volumns of their ignorance and complete disregard for factual reporting.

Fortunately, they only preach to the choir of poor saps that are lacking the mental capacity to realize they're being dupped every day. Anyone who actually thinks they fairly report "news" can only watch Fox because the little box they live in would be destroyed if they actually found out what was happening in the world.

They should change their slogan to - "Fox News: The news we want you to hear."
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You Really do Hate Us
invmgr@... 7th Sep 2007
ANOTHER story about ANOTHER liberal news outlet attempting to manufacture, rather than report news. Obviously, that will bring out the moveon.org type, yeahbutt, trolls to bash conservatives the single non hard left liberal tv news channel.

Digging a bit deeper into this, since conservatives are such a choir of mentally incapable poor saps, that half of the country should do what? Sitdown, shutup, and not stand for what they believe in thier hearts to be true? Just let you, NBC/CNN/NPR/ABC/CBS/MNSBC/etc... tell them what to think? To march, lock step with the drones of self proclaimed "free thinkers". To consume the tripe spoon fed by the liberal news, believing it is ambrosia handed down from the gods. Having been programmed to believe everyone else, not marching in step, is stupid/ignorant and that liberal Big Goverenment tax and spend social programs are all that stand between those poor saps and the abyss?

What we're we talking about? Oh yeah... "Undercover NBC Dateline reporter bolts from DEFCON 2007". Got a bit off topic didn't we? It must be the President's fault.
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Great
itsgregman 3rd Jan 2008
You tell it brother
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True,Fox not the only one guilty
otaddy 6th Aug 2007
I dont like any of the news programs which is why I get my news from the internet.

The only good thing about Fox is that only those who are totally devoted conservatives watch it--or those who like to watch leggy news gals talk.
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Fact correction:
justanitguy 7th Aug 2007
Just thought that I would point out that Fox is not conservative; at the most they are moderate. It is simply that the rest of the mainstream media (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, NY Times, etc., etc.) are so LIBERAL that in comparison, Fox would SEEM to be the voice of conservatism.
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Oh please wake up. Fox not conservative? Does a segment go by without some snide remark & laughing at what they consider liberals?

"At most they are moderate"??? So you're saying there's a possibility you consider Fox to be Liberal? What color is the sky on your planet?

Your contention is as absurd as someone claiming NBC isn't liberal. Fox just shows their bias more blatantly , while outlets like NPR like to make it more subtle.

If you can't spot bias better than that, give up and go back to listening to your middle-of-the-road Rush Limbaugh.
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So true.
euclid911@... 6th Sep 2007
Amen, brother.
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RE: Fact correction:
Grexican 7th Sep 2007
Interesting how you label your opinion as "fact".

If it smells like a Rose, looks like a Rose, then it must be a ..fruit cake !!!

Right?

I'll bet your favorite radio talk show personalities are Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura, right?
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If it was CNN...
bpolhemus@... 8th Aug 2007
...they might have a point. Remember Peter Arnett's "Operation Tailwind" report? He and his producers KNEW it was all made-up, but the arrogance of the old-style media knows no bounds. They honestly (or dishonestly) thought they'd get away with it.

If they can bring up anything even approaching this for Fox News, I'd like to hear it. (N.B. I don't even watch Fox or any broadcast news. Why bother, when the Internet and the attendant blogosphere gives you the full story and allows you to decide for yourself instead of getting only what the Leftist media establishment wants you to hear).
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Or the CBS Rather reports
georgeou 8th Aug 2007
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reading about it here. We'd be watching her "shocking expose" on the tv.

But yes, Fox or CNN or maybe the Weekly World News could use her.
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Weekly World News...
brble 6th Aug 2007
...has gone out of business. Too bad - they were the only REAL unbiased news source out there.

I've always thought that every news story should come with the disclaimer, "Based on a true story."
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RE: Weekly World
GreyGeek 6th Aug 2007
hasn't gone out of business. They've merely stopped the printed version of their "news". You can still read them online.
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Good to know.
brble 6th Aug 2007
Still, I'll miss seeing them in the checkout counter.
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Enough already!
TheyCallMeGeorge@... 8th Aug 2007
You know, I don't really care whether Fox News is biased or not. The point is, this discussion doesn't belong here. This article has nothing to do with Fox News. The user "otaddy" just made a pathetic attempt to shove his political views in a place where they don't belong.

"That reporter's stupid! She should be a Democrat!"

Look, I can do it too.
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Skills
Whassupwidat 21st Aug 2007
Yea...you're right...FOX is always looking for people with these 'skills'.

That's because most of thes 'types' already have prominent positions with the 'Leftist' Networks already...
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GOONS not posing as HUMANS
shoktai@... 4th Aug 2007
Excellent article, but I should point out that the Goons that spoke to her and escorted her around were not posing as humans, but were in full Goon regalia - i.e. wearing staff badges and the typical red "Goon" shirt, so she was under no illusion that they were anything other than staff. I know that for a fact as I was with them.
That just means she's even dumber and more arrogant that I thought.
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The Dateline staff sitting around a table -
"I'm sure there's a good story at DEFCON, if we could just sneak a reporter in. Hey- we could send Michelle Madigan, she's a pretty blond, so she'll blend right in!"

Or maybe she drew attention away from the nondescript guy in his mid-twenties that works for an NBC affiliate in LA who signed up months ago, fits right in and nobody even paid attention to the HD video camera he carried around everywhere. Who knows?
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If that's the case, it's a bad strategy because everyone was warned about the possibility of another undercover reporter.
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It's not a bad strategy if
fuzzy2k 6th Aug 2007
it worked. Only time will tell if that happened, or not, and if they find that they can't use any footage from this theoretical second (or more) camera(s), then it's all academic anyway.

Funny story, though, and quite typical of the current trend in gotcha news coverage.
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Doofus' Dog Doll
bloodriver 4th Aug 2007
I thought she handled it well. The funniest part is the dopey comments as she walks away. The Hackers sense the humor in the situation and become 'hack' comedians. The Bevis laughter near the end is so appropriate.
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Handled what well?
boony 9th Aug 2007
She ignored the rules of the conference. She tried to create a sleazy pulp piece at the expense of the trust that exists between conference members and responsible reporters, and then she runs off like a kid caught stealing from a candy store.
She handled nothing well.
Focusing on a few bad jokes and some geekish laughter is a lame attempt at deflection. The issue is her unprofessional and disgraceful behavior.
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Amatuer Reporter at Best
nucrash 4th Aug 2007
Hopefully she learned a lot that other reporters could probably queue in on.

1. Research your story before you try pulling some undercover facade.
2. While Undercover, TRUST NO ONE, especially when you are dealing with people that you are painting in a negative light.
3. Build up your persona before going undercover. Sure you have to know your part, but you have to build a sense of respect if you are going to blow the doors open on a story such as this.
4. When your cover is blown, take the out the first chance you get. Don't try and get the story because you have already been called out.

Those are the four major mistakes she made. She made them over and over again and so she looks like one of the shoddiest reporters in the business. This doesn't mean the media ****** of NBC or some other major network won't try this again. They are all about sensationalism. Anything that will strike fear into the public will drive ratings up and sell those ads. All reporters are guilty of it to some degree. Even I pull stunts to draw attention to myself. That doesn't make it right and that really makes the lady in this case look very irresponsible.

I am not even a reporter and have only dabbled in security and know better than to do what she did. I doubt I could pull off much but I know what she did wrong. Not saying that I could have kept my mouth shut any more than she did. However, I have no respect for this woman. Nor do I fault the hackers. This was purely an attempt to defraud the community and the community saw right through it. Bravo to them and hope they catch many more.
Thing that gets me is that she came in with a conclusion already thought out. She came in with the goal of painting a dark picture of DEFCON to scare Middle America. She has no idea what's going on at DEFCON. She doesn't know that there are many researchers, University Professors, University students competing in competition, and she wasn't here to cover that like all the other journalists that showed up with their official press passes. We had cameras too but we didn?t shoot people who didn?t want their photos to be taken and we respected their privacies. We weren?t there to pull a paparazzi and ironically it was her in the end that was put up on the news.
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She wanted the Shock Value
nucrash 5th Aug 2007
Think of how often the terms Hacker, Cyber-crime, ID Theft, and oh so many other terms get used in the same sentence. To those who aren't in the technology field, the picture is painted as dark and dreary. When in the mainstream media has the word hacker every been used in a positive light. I remember watching ABC as I grew up and hearing about those evil hackers. NBC and CBS would show the same garbage. I didn't get Fox News as a kid, so I couldn't really tell you if they painted the same picture or not. Two of my direct bosses are in the IS field as programmers and they still assume that hackers of the world are those 14 to 20+ year olds in their parent's basement typing away at their keyboard. One such boss even went to a firewall class and still has that perception. As I have mentioned before, I dabble and couldn't even be considered skilled enough to be a script kiddie.

This doesn't surprise me at all. I am surprised that we don't hear about it more often.

Yes, she already had that picture painted and she decided that she wanted to expose a world that no one else seemed to have exposed. The Dark World of Hacking!

I wonder if this brain dead idea was actually hers, or some one above her. She didn't exactly seem to bright or talkative, so I could mistake this as a story that she was trying to lift on her own and ended up being an embarrassment to NBC.

I was curious about DEFCON, but never considered myself proficient enough to understand what was going on. So I left well enough alone. If I choose to get interest, perhaps I will participate. Maybe I will even be foolish enough to be listed as one of the sheep on the wall of shame who moronically logs into his gmail account forgetting to use SSL.

I wonder if mainstream media will learn from this experience or try to investigate later events in such crude manners.

As for her perception. I think that much like a Michael Moore movie, you can paint a picture in any light you want as long as you skew the angle enough so that the audience sees everything in the same light that yourself.

As for Sensational Journalism. Look at the most recent event with Minnesota and bridge over I35. Now the media wants to incite a panic by assuming that any bridge could be next. Like one bridge is going to cause the entire road system to collapse. This sort of logic is sickening. What is frustrating is that everyone who buys into it.
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The fact is that today's mainstream (non-tech) journalism apparently has less to do with the facts than it does supporting the conclusions drawn up before any actual research for the reporting is done. It would be a good bet that the piece will still get done even if NBC Dateline has to create some of the hidden video in a studio with the appropriate blurred out faces and altered voices. This is unfortunately what passes for mainstream journalism these days reguardless of the news organization be it NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN or Fox.
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RE:Welcome to mainstream journalism
GreyGeek 6th Aug 2007
Exactly.

It even spills over into non-political stories in an attempt to politicize EVERY event. Right now if an earthquake occurs anywhere it's George Bush's fault, and it affected the women, children and minorities more.

In two years the other side will be saying the same thing about Hillory Clinton, most likely our next President.
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You're right, but
notsofast 6th Aug 2007
if you assume the possibility exists that there are criminals there that are looking to gain knowledge to to commit more crimes, then the only way for the reporter to gather that info is to do it undercover.

That said, I can't see why anyone there would admit to committing a crime to someone they've never met before.
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She could dish it out, but ...
burkhartmic 6th Aug 2007
So that's what it looks like when somebody can't take their own medicine.

She wanted to "expose the criminals," but when the tables were turned (and deservedly so), she couldn't take it.

I wonder, was it an assignment from her boss, or was it a project of her own?

On a side note, I noticed in the video that nobody blocked her retreat, even though there were plenty of opportunities. This is good, she has no recourse, no opportunity to claim harassment. The only thing that happened is that she received what she was planning to dish out. Well, maybe not... she got better treatment than she was apparently planning.

Maybe next year she'll get a press pass... and e-mail her story through Gmail on her wireless laptop.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/wp-trackback.php?p=651
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Not a chance
nucrash 7th Aug 2007
She would be using Hotmail. And we all know who encrypted it is.
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Tradecraft
cyberdoc2k@... 7th Aug 2007
You mean she should have employed some semblance of tradecraft? Hmmm, now there's a thought.
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If only...
Landrue 4th Aug 2007
If only the news media spent that type of effort against our elected
losers in Washington and around the country, someone would
respect them. This type of tabloid journalism ruined the entire
"news" industry.
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What?
ShadeTree 5th Aug 2007
I dare say there is plenty of coverage of elected officials. Much more then hackers. What was your point?
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Personally, I think that anyone who goes to such a poor job of undercover reporting in any field deserves to be laughed out of where every they were reporting.
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His point is
frgough 6th Aug 2007
the media hasn't reported that George Bush is the anti-christ with photos showing horns and all, while Saddam Hussein was Gabriel the archangel, tortured and murdered to keep him from bringing paradise back to earth.
There's plenty of coverage about what the Bush twins are wearing to the whatever whenever. But I find it slightly offensive as an American (I don't watch the news, I subscribe to lots of news articles online from all over the world) that I didn't hear about this new invasion-of-privacy-trying-to-be-put-over-as-securing-us-from-terrorists bulldookie bill that they just passed from an American source, like CNN, but rather The Guardian - a UK publication. This is serious news! We just lost more civil liberties and our own citizens say nothing. Thanks to the Brits for letting us know!

Don't get me wrong, CNN picked it up...eventually...but why would a UK paper get it out first? So, what I'm saying, and what I think the poster meant (sorry if I'm wrong and stepping on toes): they provide coverage, but none of the stories have any meat on them anymore.
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Tables turned
jva02 5th Aug 2007
I wonder if they'll still do the segment, with just a slightly different story line wink
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Let's Investigate the Reporter
nucrash 5th Aug 2007
Michelle apparently attended Northwestern University and apparently won an award or two for being an outstanding student journalist.

Apparently this doesn't say much for her skills as an investigative reporter.

http://www.medill.northwestern.edu/medill/inside/news/medill_students_shine_at_spj_awards.html

Link for show and tell.

I think I will dig some more and see if she has any other nuggets of wisdom that she provided society with.
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She has covered Tech Before
nucrash 5th Aug 2007
http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,76371,00.html

While cyber-terrorism has interested her before, apparently she still doesn't know much about it.

http://www.castlecops.com/a1828-Feds_Fail_to_Pass_Child_Porn_Laws.html

http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200212/msg00017.html

I see a variety of problems with her mentality. She knowingly published about tech several times in the past so would surely know more than she appears in this recent bout.

Second, should a person so published in the field also be dumb enough to try and be an undercover reporter. Granted, she would know what is going on, but is completely lacking in common sense.

Also, some one who has been so published in technology should also understand that the dark world of hackers isn't as such. This brings you and I back to that question. Why did she already have that dark picture painted.
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Another story in the making?
Unwise 5th Aug 2007
Here is a good example of the trouble this young lady is in. nucrash uncovered a fair amount about her by a presumably simple amateur search (I am assuming that nucrash is not an expert computer cracker).

As embarrassing as this is for NBC in general, you have to worry about the poor goat of a reporter that they threw out there. DefCon is not the place you want to be when you are exposed as a "tool" of a large media organization trying to paint hackers in a poor light. I would be stunned if her identity and credit lasts the week. Perhaps Dateline's next story could be about the massive damage the hacker community can do to a young reporter when their blood is up.
If you want a good story, something to get on tape, for the world to see, go undercover and show the world how Connexis is destroying so many people, taking their money, yet they are getting nothing out of it! I, for one. People have thousands of dollars in Connexis, trusting that they are being taken care of, and then they are being billed, told they are no morE! These people are the sorriest excuse of a business I have ever seen. They take your money, but what they do with it? I should know. I am one of those people. And though my husband's business, we can't pull out, because he has to stay in it at least one year! He put back a good bit of money for my medicine. I need this for my meds, but because he got his contacts, they are saying his doctor bills didn't come through. We have shown EVERYTHING TWICE! Even faxed it! If this does not go through, then The card won't work at all. I can't get my meds with it. This has been doing this all over the U.S. with peopel. They are doing this to everybody. What are they doing, and why?

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