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Jason Perlow and Scott Raymond

Apple doesn't love you, they just want your money

By | May 19, 2011, 6:30pm PDT

Summary: Apple doesn’t seem to want to support its customers when a malware attack hits them.

It should come as no surprise by now that I am not a huge fan of Apple, the company. I do think they make excellent hardware, and my laptop is a MacBook Air running Windows 7. Their business practices, however, are pretty shady, and it’s my opinion that they hold nothing but contempt for their customers.

A perfect example is the new malware attack against OSX, MACDefender. For years, OSX users have crowed about how they didn’t have to worry about viruses or malware, because mommy Apple kept them safe with an operating system that was immune to such things.

No, it was never immune. It was simply never on the radar of malware authors because it wasn’t financially attactive enough to attack. With the hundreds of millions of unprotected Windows installations, it didn’t make sense to bother. Well, there’s enough OSX users out there now to make it worthwhile, and the attacks are starting.

Apple’s response? Sticking its fingers in its ears and shouting “LALALALA! I can’t hear you!”

ZDnet’s Ed Bott interviewed an AppleCare representative, and was told that Apple’s official stance is that they not assist their customers in removing the malware. In fact, in a follow-up article, Ed shows an internal memo that tells Apple support reps to not even acknowledge the existence of the malware on their computer, nor provide them with further help or escalate to a higher support level.

This is atrocious. Even Microsoft, which has a long history of operating system exploits and malware issues, has acknowledged the problems and even provides anti-malware protection for free, as well as providing online and phone support for security issues.

Don’t expect Apple to change their stance until they are shamed into doing it. Because they already have your money. And they know that their diehard fans will swallow anything they tell them, even if it’s against their own best interests.

Burying your head in the sand is NOT a viable form of customer support.

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Scott Raymond has been a technologist and system administrator for over 25 years.

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I am the IT Manager for a high end audio and network systems integrator in northern Califronia. My wife works at Adobe Systems, Inc. Whenever I write an article that might involve Adobe or its products, I add a disclaimer at the top of the article to make sure she is not involved in any way. We have a small bit of stock with AT&T and no other major investments that would cause conflict.

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Scott Raymond

Scott Raymond has been a technologist and system administrator for over 25 years. Starting as a hobbyist in his teens, Scott quickly learned that he could translate his passion and knowledge into a full-time career. He currently works as the IT Manager for a high end audio and network systems integrator in northern California. He has written technology articles for various publications in the past and began contributing to ZDnet as a guest blogger on Jason Perlow's Tech Broiler. Scott and Jason met in New York in the 1990s where they co-managed the New York City Palm Pilot Users' Group.

In his spare time, Scott is a trained chef and avid bicycling enthusiast, as well as a voracious reader of historical, science and horror fiction. He is a huge fan of pop culture, with a wide range of interest in TV shows, movies and games.

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RE: Apple doesn't love you, they just want your money
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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@bc3tech
Just take away the word Apple and input the name of any large enterprise. If you think that MS, Google, Yahoo, Intel, etc etc etc are any better, then you are simply kidding yourself. Their purpose for being in business is to make money for shareholders. They need customers to do that, but making money for shareholders is what business is all about.
@ptorning
But few are in possesion of a Grade A RDF, fanatical fanboys (or should I say fanpersons?) and top of the line marketing....
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@rhonin

I completely disagree. Many major companies, and most tech companies, have their adherents, which you refer to as fan-people - MS, Intel, Yahoo, Google, AMD, Ubuntu and so on. And all of those companies and so many more have top line marketing. Just read these fora daily to see the fan-person fights over just about every article that is written wink
@ptorning
I believe that is what you are attempting to say?
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@ptorning Of course making money is what it's all about. It's just that taking acre of your customers is ALWAYS good for the bottom line in the long run and sometimes in the short run.

And I'm not defending any of the companies you named.
@ptorning
Corporations are all amoral and self-serving, but the world is not black and white, and some corporations are _more_ self-serving than others. It really depends on the leader and the culture.
@daengbo

that's much closer to reality... some corps even make ventures into morality/other-serving territory every now & then too.
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banned from zdnet again and again Updated - 20th May 2011
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Yes you are correct.
jscott418 20th May 2011
@ptorning You know you are right. I think all big companies are interested only in share holders. But you must also realize that Apple has always been excluded in this definition by many Apple fans. Its nice that somebody also feels like me that Apple is just as bad.
@ptorning

I used to say this about taking MS's name out and replacing it with a similar list happy. Agree completely, this is not limited to Apple.
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Your right ... but we shouldn't interrupt this kool-aid drinking frenzy with facts.
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@ptorning
Some businesses have found that they can make money and do something good for the world at the same time. For ethical businesses, it is not one or the other but both, together. Back to the business at hand, this is Apple's fault, totally! They made this sub-par equipment! As every McTard has told us time and time again: " Build good systems and you don't have to worry about malware." I rest my case, your honor!
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Funny thing about that...
Wolfie2K3 20th May 2011
@ptorning
Microsoft - as the article above reiterated - acknowledges their issues AND provides freebie tools (Microsoft Security Essentials and Microsoft Safety Scanner) to deal with problems that do crop up.

Funny thing - they still are - as you pointed out - in the business of making money. And amazingly - they still managed to rake in the big bucks - even after they've done all that.

So yes, I DO expect better.

But then again, I'd wager that if Microsoft had the same "head in the sand" attitude that Apple is currently exhibiting, you'd probably be on the front lines in Redmond with a pitchfork or torch (or both) demanding that heads roll.

Oh.. And didn't Apple recently report their fiancials as being the best year ever...? Didn't they just recently report they've got more money than Microsoft?

You see - it ain't about the money. It's about holding on to that smarmy holier than thou image - how their crap doesn't stink and should be packaged as Baskin Robbins 32nd flavor. It's about how they are the annointed and can do no wrong.

You see, if they admitted to there being a problem, why, that would cost them dearly. Their halo would suddenly be tarnished and that would seriously cut into potential sales. They'd have to toss out their FUD filled ad campaign - the one that claims there are no viruses or malware for the Mac.
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I smell a fanboi
poch333 25th Aug
@ptorning : Yeah but other companies like Exxon and Microsoft don't have quasi-religious zealots to annoy you.
@ptorning : Comparing Apple to other companies is not the issue here. Why did you feel the need to defend them by saying that? If some other company did this, would you have posted that? Don't think so, fanboy
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@bc3tech

I can't believe they aren't helping their customers. Windows malware has been around for so long that at least users know who to contact if they get infected. Many ISP's offer free antivirus and if they don't, Microsoft does. Apple users have no idea what to do. And yes, it's Apple's fault because they advertised how it's a Windows problem so people overpay for their product thinking they won't have to deal with this stuff.
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How do you know?
jscott418 20th May 2011
@Bookmark71 I would ask many Mac fans how do you know you have no malware if you don't have Anti Virus? I know from using both Mac's and PC's that some malware installs without a user being aware of it. That's the whole ideal of Anti Virus. Sometimes I just do not think some Apple fans get it.
@bc3tech Right On!!
@bc3tech

It WAS pretty decent. happy
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Scott.... I see what you did there
ScritMalmud 20th May 2011
@bc3tech
You must not have enough readers to resort to antiquated antics of mac vs. pc arguments. Give it up people. Enjoy the technology you love and give it a rest. These sensationalized articles are so god damn annoying!!!
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Funny that Apple consistently gets the highest ratings by J.D. Powers for customer service.
@dheady@... "Funny that Apple consistently gets the highest ratings by J.D. Powers for customer service. "

Yes, that has been true. Wonder whether that will change as the result of their fumbling over this trojan.
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@dheady@...

Well when your customer base consists of people who think that the fact that they own Apple products makes them somehow morally and intellectually better than everyone else it tends to have that effect....
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@dheady@...
The award and commendation are written up by the company involved! No company has ever been turned down by J.D. Powers. I've beeen told the make their money by hawking those acolades of companies??
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Doubt anything will change...
Wolfie2K3 20th May 2011
@dheady@...
Yes, that has been true. Wonder whether that will change as the result of their fumbling over this trojan.

Nope... Apple will just intensify their RDF and spike the Kool Aid with some extra LSD (or whatever they use to brainwash otherwise sensible people into buying Macs) and everything will be all better - until the next bit of crapware that's 2x worse than MacDefender gets released.
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@bc3tech Pretty straight forward. I have to agree with you. In the end, as nothing is un-hackable, I just don't get people not "willing" to simply run an anti-virus just in case, to protect their data. It's mind blowing. I'm glad I have free protection and support when I've needed it (very rarely luckily)!
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@bc3tech Whiniest. Twat. Ever.

You think it's a revelation that Apple sells devices people want for a profit? Get your heads out of your ass.
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@bc3tech LOL, +1 to the first comment grin
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At least this is an honest "I hate Apple" rant
ego.sum.stig@... 19th May 2011
Which is more than can be said for other blogger's efforts.
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Honest?
Richard Flude 19th May 2011
"Ed shows an internal memo that tells Apple support reps to not even acknowledge the existence of the malware on their computer, nor provide them with further help or escalate to a higher support level."

The email says no such thing. It defines what Apple's responsibilities are in respect to AppleCare support. Applecare covers Apple products, not user installed malware. It says to neither confirm or deny malware existence on a user's Mac because this would require investigation that is not covered by AppleCare.
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Apologies etc
ego.sum.stig@... 19th May 2011
But, my point was the blogger just admits from line one that he doesn't like Apple (not even a bit, despite owning a MBAir). What comes after is just ranting. Honesty in terms on reporting really isn't the issue here, it's just a rant and does not try to disguise it. That's the honest bit, it's just a good old rant, and I hope the blogger feels better now after "letting it all out."
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@Richard Flude
in regaurds to user installed malware?
If I am understanding you correctly Mr. Flude, in doing so you would praise Microsoft at that point?

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tonymcs@... Updated - 20th May 2011
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@Richard Flude The memo also state to confirm the machine is running without issues!
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Richard Flude Updated - 19th May 2011
@ Mister Spock
I'm not praising Apple, simply pointing out the claim is untrue. If you want to get into the level of support MS provides (and I've work for some of their biggest enterprise customers) I'd be happy to.

@tonymcs
I'm apologising for no-one

@jatbains
Where does it state what you're claiming?

Why all the dishonesty? It's a short memo written in basic english.
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But it is true, Mr. Flude
Mister Spock 19th May 2011
@Richard Flude
Under the heading of "important" on the memo itself.
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Do you not post on Mr. Vaugh-Nichols' blog
Mister Spock 19th May 2011
@ego.sum.stig
In refernce to Microsoft?
The same can be claimed about him, using your very own words.

What is different? Why is it acceptable for him, but no others?
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@Richard Flude Sure you don't want to split that hair any finer? Your entire point, whatever that is, is BS. Apple has demonstrated that they don't give a damn about their customers. They want your money and to get you out the door. When this problem cuts across all of Apples platforms, the what. Mac OS won't be the only one affected before long. Their iOS products will be the next ducks in the shooting gallery. And mobile security companies don't develop antiviral software for the iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch. So just keep over spending for this crap and keep getting ripped off. I've used Apple products in the past and that is why I don't use them now.
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You act like this is new to apple
bobiroc 20th May 2011
@Richard Flude

iPhone antenna problem? What Problem? You're holding it wrong.

Ring a bell? Those are words straight from Mr. Jobs himself (paraphrased of course) and not the only example. Don't get me wrong I own and use Apple products as I am on my second iPhone and have a MacBook that I use for work. They do make decent products but my experiences with their customer service and sales teams show me that they instill the smugness of Steve Jobs as part of their new employee orientation. I have called AppleCare support to get replacement parts and was made to feel that I was doing something wrong and had to jump through hoops for them to tell me that I had to lug the computer to an authorized repair center.

My School district tried to apply for a Grant from Apple to get iPads for Special Services Students and asked Apple would be willing to donate equipment for them. I was told that Apple said "Oh we do not do that". So this company that makes all these profits and has such high stock value cannot even help out education. Their educational discounts are barely worth anything so yes I firmly believe that Apple is only in it for the money and while one of the main objectives of a business is to make money there has to be more to that.

Oh and just for reference our Special Services department applied to Dell for Tablets or small laptops for the same purpose and Dell and Microsoft both sponsored it at no cost with no questions asked.

You are one of the many that will express your dislike for anything Microsoft and call them crooks and point out their shortcomings and while Microsoft has some of their own issues they need to work out so does Apple. The author is right and Apple at the very least needs to own up to this Malware being a problem and while I would never expect them to give full removal support over the phone as Malware like this is installed at the fault of the user I would expect them to acknowledge it and at least guide the customer where they can go for professional assistance or publish some basic Malware protection and removal information online. I guess that is why Apple only offers 90 days of phone support standard when you purchase one of their expensive computers.
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@Richard Flude

Hmmmm. Why does calling Richard an apologist for Apple get my message deleted?
@ego.sum.stig@... i am not an apple fan, and i think apple could have handled the situation more responsibly. yes applecare probably does not cover these stuff in paper, but their advertising have made people believe that you cant get malware on mac. they have knowingly misled their customer, so it's their responsibility to at least provide some support.

Having said that, about ranting and stuff, WELCOME TO ZDNET. there is nothing called news here, it's all blogs and opinions...biased almost everytime. however, there are few writers who are biased but still present some logical arguments. this one is just BS.
"Burying your head in the sand is NOT a viable form of customer support."

As a developer, I can't deny that this would be a nice way of doing things :P
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@ShanOw you know, some days, that would be very nice.
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