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Apple: It's time to leave Neverland

By | October 27, 2011, 12:50pm PDT

Summary: Apple has lost its Peter Pan, and that means that it finally has to grow up.

This article is an expanded version of Jason Perlow’s arguments in ZDNet’s “Great Debate” Series.

The above musical video in my opinion embodies the fundamental philosophy of Apple, Inc.

It fits the company like a glove. Given Jobs’ intimate involvement with Pixar and the Walt Disney company I’m actually surprised “I Won’t Grow Up” was never used in the company’s advertising.

If Apple had a corporate anthem, that song from the 1958 musical Peter Pan would be it.

For the past 15 years, Apple has been a consumer product-oriented company that reflected the vision of a single iconic leader — Steve Jobs, its dreamer and Walt Disney-like figure who created its current success formula.

After the company mourns its main source of perspiration and inspiration it needs to figure out what it wants to be when it grows up. Yes, consumer products should continue to be an important focus area, but Apple cannot continue on just great toys alone.

If we have learned anything at all from the company’s most recent 3rd quarter sales figures, we must ultimately recognize that Apple’s revenue is highly based on an annuity or semi-annuity model of repeat customers. Repeat customers are bread and butter, but it does not create growth.

Post-Jobs, Apple must exist in a world of constantly improving commodity technology being created by its competitors and enterprises seeking next generation, integrated mobile and desktop solutions that the company is not currently offering: Products which are arguably more open and can more easily attract the partners needed to create solutions.

And it should go without saying that Apple cannot compete by continuing to use the intimidation tactics of its departed founder, no matter how many tens of billions it has in its expansive larders.

Anything other than moving on to the next Insanely Great thing should be considered an unnecessary distraction.

Great Debate: After Jobs, can Apple maintain the momentum? | Jobs left future plans for next-generation Apple products | TechRepublic: Three reasons Apple will succeed after Steve Jobs | In the battle for the living room, the ghost of Steve Jobs looms large | Steve Jobs: A retrospective

It would be very easy to argue that due to the company’s huge $80B cash larders and dedicated customer following that the Apple will keep its momentum despite the loss of the company’s founder and head “Imagineer”.

However, the reality is that the company is at an inflection point and has an annuity-based revenue model where existing customers upgrade to the latest and greatest version of an i-product every 2 years, and that iPads really are cannibalizing the sales of not only Apple’s competitors’ notebook computers but also their own MacBooks.

To maintain momentum, Apple not only has to keep banging out the “hits” with new and exciting versions of its existing product line but it also has to expand into new markets.

I have suggested elsewhere that the enterprise would be a great place for Apple to do this but it would take a radical shift of company ideology to approach anything other than new consumer markets.

It is also worth mentioning that not only is Apple facing challenges of expansion but it is going to face heavy competition with ever-improving versions of Android (which according to recent market reports has been making a sizable dent in the iPad’s tablet market share and continues to occupy the #1 position in smartphone market share) and also Windows Phone and Windows 8.

I am also not going to under-estimate what Jeff Bezos and Amazon are capable of doing either, as evidenced by the very strong initial sales of the Kindle Fire and the sales projections for millions upon millions of units to be sold in CY 2012.

So what should Apple do to counter these external forces?

From a pure cash standpoint, Apple is looking very good, and could use these $80B liquid assets to purchase companies and expand into new markets. Apple currently has a very strong engineering team that is capable of continuing to produce excellent products.

iCloud also shows some promise in being able to tie all of the vertical integration Apple has into all of their products into a single seamless experience, provided that the resiliency of that infrastructure actually holds up.

While a huge cash war chest certainly gives the company a tremendous advantage over its competitors, particularly in being able to swallow up key technology/component vendors and also to secure or monopolize a supply chain, the company has to be very careful as not to attract too much attention to itself as being monopolistic, not only in the United States but also in Europe and Asia.

It also goes without saying that the litigation and vast assets the company is using as a weapon to try to “Destroy Android” as per Steve Jobs’ Mevillian wishes should be carefully re-examined by Tim Cook and other influential people in Apple’s management and Board.

The patent suits and other litigation is bringing the company a tremendous amount of ill-will from the industry and governments as a whole and could potentially backfire on them.

Android is a White Whale that no longer has an Ahab to pursue it. And Tim Cook shouldn’t be Captain Hook relentlessly chasing Tick Tock either.

Instead of disruption through litigation, Apple should disrupt through innovation alone. One of the ways that disruption can occur is through executing Jobs’ final dream: to have full digital convergence between the Cloud and Television.

I have no doubt that some sort of product that utilizes television and content consumption technologies that are convergent with iCloud and other services is going to be launched. Whether that is some sort of new, more advanced set-top than the current Apple TV or an actual television with various Apple technologies integrated into it remains to be seen.

I have argued in the past in my own writings that it is likely that something along the lines of a super high-resolution display the size of a 42″ or larger HDTV with Apple branding may make an appearance.

However, should a product like this get launched it would not be without its own challenges. 1080p 24fps 42″ to 55″ HDTV’s have become heavily commoditized in the $500-$1500 price range.

Apple would have to provide a tremendous amount of value add (such as 3D and other technologies, such as the rumored 2560 pixel resolution) in order to challenge the SONYs, Sharp’s, Samsungs and Vizios of the world.

After all, for those companies TV sets are their bread and butter and they know this industry better than anyone else.

Besides the price points for such a device, one has to consider the complex content relationships that would have to be forged in addition to agreements with the service providers to carry a lot of streaming traffic.

Apple may have to buy or create their own CDN infrastructure in order to pull this off accordingly, at least for the customers that will have the bandwidth to be able to use a product like this in the first place.

And what of product growth for the company’s biggest cash cows, the iPhone and the iPad?

I think it is reasonable to expect that both iPhone and iPad will continue their very strong annuity stream for the next two years, especially if there are significant product enhancements coming down the pipeline.

However, beyond the next two years, things are likely to change as Android (in its various flavors, including Google’s own and Amazon’s “mutant”) continues its growth by stealing smartphone market share from the declining RIM in the consumer space and increases tablet mindshare with Ice Cream Sandwich 4.x and future versions of the OS.

Google’s Android will also likely continue to be the leading platform for 4G wireless. Handset OEMs will be willing to make any number of compromises that Apple would refuse to make in order to address business and consumer users’ thirst for high speed mobile data.

That is, unless, Apple is also willing to compromise now that Jobs is no longer there to throw tantrums when design choices are made that do not fit in with his sense of product perfection.

While there is some cause for concern that the reception to Microsoft’s Windows 8’s radical “Metro” UI may initially be lukewarm on enterprise desktops, enterprises will almost certainly start to look towards Windows 7.x Phone and Windows 8 ARM tablets as being actual enterprise-capable mobile products.

This will prove to be a sticking point with complex IT environments if these competing platforms are better suited to the BYOD model than Apple’s products if Microsoft (or Google) makes better tools for provisioning and security partitioning available, such as with the use of mobile hypervisor technology.

This gets us back to the issue of whether or not Apple is even capable of addressing enterprise needs in terms of device and application integration.

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I have argued in recent articles that addressing the enterprise (by making iOS more integrated with line of business applications produced by 3rd-parties or by even making Mac OS X Server more robust and run on 3rd-party server hardware) would be the logical thing for Apple to do in order to break into new markets.

If anyone has the DNA or wherewithal to do this, it is Apple CEO Tim Cook, who has the Insane Greatness of a Steve Jobs hand-picked management team behind him as well as his own twelve years of experience creating and developing enterprise partnerships at IBM’s Personal Systems division.

To do this, however, will require a great deal of work in as well as money and time in terms of being able to cultivate partnerships, something that Apple has never been good at doing. Apple stinks at this precisely in the way that Microsoft or even Google doesn’t “Get it” when it comes to consumers, to use Steve Jobs’ own language.

It will require a lot of work and a lot of money to make a footprint in a part of the computer industry that Apple in the past has failed to be able to do and has no guarantee of success in, and it will also require some loss of control and partner assistance in order to pull off.

In the age of Steve Jobs the very idea of losing any kind of control was impossible. Under Tim Cook, who knows.

I believe Cook will be an excellent maintainer of Apple and for the time being, will be the Harry Truman to Jobs’ FDR. He will continue to apply his skills of streamlining the company and keeping it running like a well oiled machine.

But at some point he needs to assert his own vision and plans for the company’s growth and expansion, and whether or not he is capable or willing to deviate from what Jobs has told him to execute on already.

So how could Apple pull off an enterprise coup?

They need to shed the arrogance. They need to be able to work and cultivate partnerships. They need to be able to give enterprises powerful toolsets for device and desktop provisioning and management.

They need an App Store and enterprise developer ecosystem that will do the same for enterprise applications and 3rd-party enterprise software developers and integrators that they have done for the consumer.

Mac OS X Server has to “grow up” and have the same technologies that are required to make it a robust enterprise-class OS, whether it is deployed in the Cloud by Apple or a partner, or in private infrastructure.

And even though Apple doesn’t need to produce enterprise hardware, it has to be certified to run well on IBM’s, HP’s, Dell’s and even Oracle’s hardware and industry-standard hypervisors such as VMWare and KVM.

All of this clashes with the Jobsian closed system and completely vertically integrated worldview. That type of consumerization strategy will work on a certain group of customers, but not everyone.

It only makes sense as long as people are willing to tolerate one or two flavors of a particular hardware/software device profile.

The very fact that Apple is unable to penetrate Android’s 41 percent and climbing market share is because with Android, consumers and business users have more choice over form factors and other differentiating product features.

Additionally, Apple has never been about delivering the most high-end components in their devices — they always put in “Just enough” in order to keep their costs down. With Android or even with Windows Phone/Windows 8, there will be much more product differentiation and choice over hardware features.

While the one size fits all will be sufficient for some part of the consumer population, a large part of that population will want choice and variation in configuration and form factors.

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Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet, is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies.

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Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet is a technologist with over two decades of experience with integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. A long-time computer enthusiast starting the age of 13 with his first Apple ][ personal computer, he began his freelance writing career starting at ZD Sm@rt Reseller in 1996 and has since authored numerous guest columns for ZDNet Enterprise and Ziff-Davis Internet. Jason was previously Senior Technology Editor for Linux Magazine, where he wrote about Open Source issues from 1999 to 2008.

In his spare time, Jason is an avid amateur chef and food writer, where his work reviewing New Jersey restaurants has appeared in The New York Times. He is also the founder of the popular food web site eGullet and blogs about restaurants and cooking at OffTheBroiler.com.

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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
brother451 Updated - 21st Dec
Oh man. If Apple made an iScreen TV it would flop so hard. Nobody wants their web technology tied to a disposable 42"+ tv screen.

Knowing Apple it would come in one size and if you don't like it too bad. Not to mention it would cost twice the amount of the leading Samsung display. What a horrible idea.

I think if they're smart they'll stick to a little AppleTV box that can be used with any screen.
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Seriously?
Richard Flude 27th Oct
You must have read different financial to the ones published by Apple. Revenue growth across the board, some 20% yoy, many to new customers.

The loss of Jobs is huge, only time will tell how it works out.

But Apple has created new markets in the past few years, and redefined others. That is where their revenue growth is coming from, not as Jason would believe. The revenue potential in the consumer space is enormous if they get it right.
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I will go with Jason's assesment
William Farrell 27th Oct
@Richard Flude

over yours. He appears to have thought alot about this.

You're just doing your standard cheerleading job.
@William Farrell the largest valued company in the world? think i'm going to go with Job's and Apple's direction on this one.. lol..
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@William Farrell

Yes, and your opinion is about as relevant as Jason's. Honestly, who is Jason Ferlow to lecture Apple about growth? Given Apple's consistent year over year growth each quarter, articles like his are simply nonsense. The facts speak for themselves.
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@William Farrell

Yeah, but Perlow is nuts here. He's set up too many strawmen to make his argument, which is basically anathema to Apple's culture. He's basically stating that Apple shouldn't be Apple anymore and mind as well change their name to Enter-Core: a generic no-name company that serves IT.
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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
JoeFoerster Updated - 27th Oct
@William Farrell Cheerleading or not, Richard is right. And, Jason is making a huge presumption that Apple wants anything to do with Enterprise, which is odd, since Apple long ago gave Enterprise the finger. Remember... "Think Different" applies to most, if not all of what Apple does. And when you and all your friends are thinking they just gotta jump into Enterprise, Apple is doing that "Different" thing. The fact that they can, do and will continue to play by their own rules and still outsell the wannabes is pretty good proof that Thinking Different is working for them. Still, all good things have to come to an end someday, and Apple will too. But while it lasts, it's just not going to do what you think it should do.
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Jason who?
jaypeg 27th Oct
@William Farrell

Jason is just like the millions of other bloggers who have sought to handicap and advise Apple over the years. Luckily, if ever Apple listens to him all they'll hear is, "gobble-gobble, gobble-gobble ..." Guys like Jason will just never get it no matter how hard they try.
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The same Jason that was anti-apple
Richard Flude 27th Oct
@William Farrell Yeah right.

Jason has gone from writing declaring his distaste for the company, to owning a Mac and iPad. Clearly some resent lingers.

His enterprise push is nothing new, calls for Mac OS X virtualisation was rightly ignored (doesnt make sense, too competitive already).

He fails to recognise The enterprise landscape is changing. Centralize IT Departments with their MCSEs are all but ignored these days. Blogs that the iPhone and iPad wouldn't be successful in this market are now obviously incorrect, for the reasons I outlined at the time.

How many times does one have to be wrong before you take the advice of others with a much better rack record? Or is the MCSE world crumbling too frightening a thought?

Only MS is making good money in the Enterprise IT market today, however their growth is stagnant. Service companies like IBM are doing OK. Hardware companies bleeding. Why would anyone want to enter such a market?
@William Farrell
all markets will continue on from this time forward as they have done in the past 4 years, never changing.

Yet the next blog on Microsoft, or some other company, they will claim that the markets are ever changing, and one can not count on things staying as they have for the past 4 years.


So how can you have two futures on on one timeline?
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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
UrNotPayingAttention Updated - 27th Oct
@doctorSpoc

3 Things...

1) Apple isn't the largest valued company in the world. Exxon Mobil is, as of 10-27-11 by some $20 Billion. Plus, also remember that Apple's share price is based on emotion, whereas XOM's is based on Global factors... thus harder to change. Apple could not sell as many iPods as they're expected to in a quarter and in 20 minutes that shaves $5 - $10 Billion off their cap.

2) I know it's hard to admit, but who was the company that made a huge investment at the time, to help stave Apple from bankruptcy?

3) Jason Perlow has been in this business for a long time, and has a good grasp of it. He has experience with consumer, SMB, and Enterprise, and moreso than you or I or anyone else probably commenting on his post.
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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
doctorSpoc Updated - 27th Oct
@chmod 777
1. irrelevant
2. irrelevant
3. irrelevant

you guys are funny man... i haven't read this much nonsense in a long time... lol...
@William Farrell

If he is as good as your assessment I believe Apple would have employ him at the drop of a hat but he is still a wordsmith.

And words are cheap and a simple glance of what he had written wouldn't help and doesn't contribute to the deep thinking done by Apple as to what they have to do with their products and services because many livelihood depend on their doing the right thing.

As for the writer not I believe I have to say one thing his stuff is not good enough to make him a good marketing man because it lack substance.
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@William Farrell really? You are going to back Jason link whoring piece vs reality?

Apple will, like others peak and maybe come down, but for right now they are on fire with no end in near site of their constant up hill climb. They should just leave the enterprise market all together. Its smaller than the consumer market and they can let IBM, Dell, HP, Microsoft and other fight over it.

Jobs was Jobs and he brought an air to Apple that is gone, but he was one man. Tim Cook and others are masters at what they do. They have tied up the supply chains, worked massive deals for parts, their profit margins are through the roof.

Dell, HP, Microsoft, Sony and others look like morons when it comes to what consumers want.
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@chmod 777

"Apple's share price is based on emotion"

LOL. I guess that's why Apple's PE is 15 and Amazon's PE is over 100. Based on emotion? You don't know Jack about stocks.

"who was the company that made a huge investment at the time, to help stave Apple from bankruptcy?"

That would be no one. I guess the Apple haters will never give up this myth. If you're interested in the truth you can read this article: "MYTH Stop the lies! The day that Microsoft 'saved'??Apple".

"Jason Perlow has been in this business for a long time, and has a good grasp of it."

Maybe so, but Apple has been ignoring advice for a long time and they're doing quite well. Perhaps instead of trying to teach Apple, Jason Perlow should be trying to learn from Apple.
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@William Farrell

Is it not the fate of all Tech companies to have to come up with the new latest and greatest thing to maintain market share? Is that not what they all must do?
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Android gains are overstated
IthacaMatt Updated - 28th Oct
@William Farrell
You forget that Apple's marketshare vs. Android is in large part because of only being on a few carriers until inow. They will have a much larger market to compete in, as iPhone 4S is rolled out to dozens of new carriers in lots of new countries, apart from expansion to Sprint in the US market (reaching many people with their lower price points).

Until now, Android has had less competition from Apple than they will going forward, in terms of carrier ubiquity. Also, Android faces looming compatibility and fragmentation issues and literally dozens of different implementations are out in the wild. This looks to me like Android could turn into UNIX Part 2, in terms of a splintering, eventually incompatible user base. Then, Android developers will experience greater problems porting apps to different platforms, etc. We've seen this move before. I'm not an Apple fanboy, but you underestimate how much room for growth they have in the consumer space. Asking them to change their DNA to compete in the enterprise is not a good short term change in strategy, in my opinion.

One last point about the enterprise. Nowadays, execs (and honestly, salespeople and most mobile workers) are forcing IT departments to deal with their preferred mobile clients. As more of those clients become iPhones and iPads, IT is just going to have to deal with it. The IT dept's customer is the executive, so they will just have to "make it work". That is Apple's secret trojan horse into the enterprise.
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@William Farrell he arrogantly offers suggestions on how Apple should "leave neverland."

Would that you and I and Jason himself could live in such a "neverland."

If you're the Green Bay Packers, you don't need cheerleaders and neither does Apple.

I've been reading criticisms of and suggestions for Apple since the '80s, and yet, look where Apple is now.

It appears that Jason sees his job as replacing Jobs???at least in the sense of telling Apple to head in new directions businesswise (including changing Apple's CEO.) Interestingly and weirdly, Jason even cites Apple's 3rd quarter "drops" but neglects to mention that the iPhone 4s got 400,000 more orders on the first day than the previous model did.

Seems like a lot of internet fodder to me.
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Jason Perlow does not know what he is talking about. Apple has more money in the bank than the US Treasury. The iPhone sales go thru the roof when the new one comes out. The iPad which all the so called experts, like Jason, said it was a joke or toy, yet Apple is opening new factories to keep up with demand. The iPad is now in school from elementary to graduate level and used in the university research projects. It's used with children that have autism. It's in hospitals and medical clinics and in factories and many, many other businesses uses. The military is now field testing the iPad for it's use. The Apple computers have now broken into the government and military use, the long preview of the "PC". No Jason Apple does not need to worry about growing up, they have done their homework and are ready for the future.
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@William Farrell I agree with some of both statements but just because somebody puts a lot of thought into something does not mean they are right.
@Richard Flude ..Jason in his ultimate wisdom and monday night quarterbacking say that Apple that should exit high margin/profit markets and enter the commodity/low margin markets that HP (the market leader) is trying to exit.. why...

as you say growth will come from creating new markets and redefining existing ones.. adding value and controlling supply chain like no one else can given apples size and startegic arrangment that we can thank tim cook for etc..

Apple doesn't want any part or enterprise and to be truthful enterprise wants no part of apple.. total disdain and irrational hate for Apple.. how is apple going to change an almost religious hate... Apple smartly exited enterprise for that reason.. they've come in the back door with BYOD but coming in the front door just doesn't make sense.. and more importantly.. it doesn't make dollars and CENTS.. and i have no doubt that tim cook understands that completely..

so how about jason sticks to tech blogging and tim cook sticks to running multi-billion dollar businesses..
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Apple have gotten way ahead of themselves. Instead of hiding behind patency laws and trying to monopolize the market why not actually listen got customers? Become more competitive?
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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
Masari.Jones Updated - 27th Oct
Jason.. you're ridiculous and your blogs on Apple are just as ridiculous. You sit on your butt and write blogs complaining about how Apple runs it's business and how it makes it's products. You whine about missing features, whine about what Apple should do differently, etc. etc. It's getting really old!!

I'm not sure if you've been reading the news, because based on your blogs one would think Apple is running their business into the ground and need to make lots of changes.

Apple is the envy of the tech industry. iPhone and iPads are flying off the shelf and with greater numbers after each iteration. Apple market capitalization is Number One... did you hear what I'm saying? Apple has surpassed every technology company and has surpassed even Exxon Mobile to have the largest market cap.

Do you really think Apple or any of us care what you think they should do or how they should conduct their business? We don't!

You can continue to site there and whine about Apple, while Apple continues to grow and set sales records. I for one am tired of your whining blogs and will no longer read them.
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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
belli_bettens@... 28th Oct
@Masari.Jones
noted
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@Richard Flude

Yep, planned obsolescence and the emperor's new clothes are a great marketing and sales scheme. Just depends if their reach exceeds the one born every minute population wink

Am I the only one to see Apple's design as dated?
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@tonymcs@...

Yup
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@tonymcs@... Hmm, Apple just came out with iOS 5 which runs on Phones as old as 2 and a half years. Android? Not so much: http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/10/27/android.support.seen.lagging.iphone.by.wide.margin/

There's plenty of planned obsolesce going on, but its not coming from Apple.
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@tonymcs@... Yes, you're the only one.
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@tonymcs@...
no there is also that other "smart developer" that went Siverlight, now is learning Flash...
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@tonymcs@...

Yes, you are the only one that thinks Apple's designs are dated.
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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
john_gillespie@... 28th Oct
No, your not alone ... I think one of my cats shares your opinion.
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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
ScorpioBlue Updated - 29th Oct
@tonymcs@... Yes, you're the only one.

No, there are a few other Wintards out there who refuse to believe Windows 7 copied some of Apple's styling cues.

Of course their hypocritical conclusion is that's not dated.
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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
lelandhendrix@... 27th Oct
@Richard Flude You are right.

Jason, I don't know how you (or all these other fools here) have missed this point, because it's been repeated ad naseum: HALF OF NEW MAC PURCHASES ARE MADE BY CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE NEVER OWNED A MAC BEFORE.

Annuity, my behind.

Additionally, other facts you may have missed: Macintosh computer sales are growing at a rate FASTER THAN THAT OF THE REST OF THE ("PC") INDUSTRY.

Now tell me how THAT fits with your theory?
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@lelandhendrix@...
Now hold on there...how dare you bring common sense into Perlow's LaLaNeverland where real facts are baseless, straight logic is unfair and strawmen walk tall?
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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
dave@... Updated - 28th Oct
@lelandhendrix@... Very few new Mac purchases, however, are made by a buyer who hasn't used either an iOS device or a Mac before. Apple's been smart about vertically integrating over time: kids who use Macs in school are more likely to buy one when they graduate (my daughter's had a loaner Macbook Pro from the local high school, she's on the fence about going Mac vs. PC for college, particularly when facing some fairly critical flaws in the Mac recently). Kids don't get smartphones on the family plan, but they get iPods... thus, they're more likely to buy iPhones.

Apple's Mac unit sales have actually grown faster than their revenues. MacOS is less than 25% of Apple's business, and falling. It's also the one that's not seeing the cycle of upgrades you get in the mobile market. Much of their growth is "iPhone coattails", but that's for consumer models. Apple's pro business has tanked - they haven't even updated the Mac Pro in over a year. You can only buy it with 2009-vintage graphics cards, for example.

Apple isn't only selling to previous customers, of course. But their strength is precisely that -- previous customers and/or users constitute the bulk of their sales.
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@dave "MacOS is less than 25% of Apple's business, and falling."

Ummm some logic here. They are "falling" compared to the other divisions at Apple, because those other divisions (iPhone, iPad) are rocketing up out of control.

The Mac continues to grow "computer" market share every quarter and does so at a greater pace that the Windows/PC industry.

So it might be falling behind other Apple products, but the revenue from Macs is still increasing and increasing faster than other computer makers.
@lelandhendrix@...
Very good point! I've hated Apple products, but am now, voluntarily, locked-in to iPhone4 and its descendants, have bought my wife a MacBook Pro and am eye-ing off iMacs...but I won't buy one until I have an iPad2 (or 3) which has become virtually a 'necessity' in my line of work...and the work of various medical professionals and the daily sloggers in companies the size of Japan Rail (East)...enterprise...Hmmm...
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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
weatherwarrior 31st Oct
@lelandhendrix@...

Just like IBM in the 1980s.....
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@Richard Flude I agree, but for different reasons. Everyone keeps asserting that to "really succeed" Apple needs to hit the Enterprise. Personally, I think they chose wisely in targeting consumers. Why compete directly with consumer-agnostic Microsoft products? Microsoft focuses 95% of it's attention on improving the enterprise experience and only gets consumer purchases as a side-effect of people wanting to use the same thing at home that they use at work.

Apple focuses on making stylish, simple products that create techno-lust in consumers. Personally, I think they did the right thing in avoiding enterprise focus. Corporate purchases create far more headaches and reduce margins. They're basically saying, if you want to use these products in your enterprise, YOU figure out how to make it work. We don't do enterprise. This is brilliant because it let's Apple keep their massive profit margins while consumers put all the pressure on companies to find a way to adapt to Apple.
@Richard Flude
You do describe how Apple expansion has taken place. They've "created new markets...and redefined others." However, the question is, can they continue to do that? If they can continue to do that, then they can continue to grow, but that is generally considered a difficult thing to maintain.

Apple can certainly continue to be successful, at least for a while, on the momentum of their current customer base.

If they can continue to tap new markets and redefine current markets, then they don't have anything to worry about as far as growing goes. If they can't do that, then they may want to look into other strategies for growth. It seems that Jason expects that they will not be able to continue to do that. Time will tell whether they can or not.
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@CFWhitman Eventually Apple wont be able to for whatever reason. No company ever has.

The question is when will that happen? Being "consumer only" the scarry part for Apple is if they were to fall out of favor with consumers a change to "another Apple" could happen much faster with consumers vs Enterprise. Enterprise customers that want to move to new solutions must do so slowly.
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@CFWhitman
to understand how things work you must put things in perspective. Tak a look at Microsoft. They never needed to excel or deliver something better than a dumbed down copy of macOS. Just use brute number to dominate & force usage.
From the 3, Apple, Google & MS, Apple & Google leads by merit. MS in they feud -enterprise- leads by forced usage.
That;s why the MS brand disappeared in a short span of time from the mobile space. Yes of course, there was ios that put to shame all the competition; but if you think, most competitors were able to surf and keep disminished market share, at least they sell. Now there was WM. Anhihilated, still, after mango going down. Clearly, here you have a market where devices are judged by merit. In that kind of environments, MS has no response. Apple? they will be OK
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@Richard Flude
Which new markets will make them big money?
Here are their big revenue source: ipod, ipad, itunes and iphone. ipod has flattened and probably will erode faster over the next 3 years. ipad needs to grow but as with the last quarter, demand was lower than expected. itunes is going to get more competition from amazon especially with 5+ million kindle fires going on sale this holiday season. Not to mention google music is about to be launch. While itunes will continue to make money its not likely it will make more. In fact, there is a decent chance it will make less in about 24 months. iphone profit will probably be steady but they have a lot more competition now and with samsung eclipsing them this quarter, if nothing else it affects the mind set marketing of the must have phone. All apple needs is for one of these lines to take a significant hit and their share prices are going to get hammered. We already saw the reaction from the last quarter. If the next 2 quarter is the same way, institution investors will go away and that will be the big slide. Remember that aapl shares increased very quickly. Any stock that does that have a higher risk of falling very quickly as well. They tend to react to bad news in very illogical and drastic ways. Netflix?
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@rengek
boy is almost like you are dreaming...
are you writing this from Redmond?
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Each of the mentioned created a new market
Richard Flude Updated - 29th Oct
@rengek Apple needs to do the same to continue it's outstanding growth. No one is arguing against that.

However Jason push is the enterprise, an established competitive market. Apple would be foolish to enter such a market when significant consumer markets exist that offer significantly more margin.

AAPL shares rose rapidly on the establishment of new revenue opportunities through opening new markets. If these markets were to collapse, so would their share price. The rate of decline has nothing to do with the rate of accent.
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Apple revenue comes from repeat sales? Where did all the growth come from then?
SuperHD TV? Interesting idea. Someone needs to create SuperHD content first though. It took government mandate to update to HDTV.
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@Scrabbler Umm no, Government Mandate was for Digital TV not HD, they didn't care about that and companies do have super HD screens in the works with 4k lines.
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@Scrabbler
Exactly, Apple's iDevice universe has exploded precisely because the PC and IT and enterprise drones are buying iDevices in droves. That's why the iPad already outsold the Mac in less than a year. Smartphones and tablets are just beginning worldwide market penetration and the iPhone marketshare is only been restricted by telcos and Apple's ability to build the devices fast enough. Apple finally has a device that they can sell to every market and telco with the 4S.

If Apple owns valid IP, they should sue anyone who infringes on it. If Apple's patents are crap, then they should be declared crap by the courts. But having IP and not exploiting it and protecting it is ludicrous.

Apple became the world's largest company because it acts like a startup and wasn't afraid to eat its own children. It most definitely doesn't need to "grow up." That's what MS, Dell, Sony and HP did.
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@Synthmeister Would qualify this somewhat though in reference to acting like a start-up. Msft definitely acted like a scrappy start-up even when it was obvious to all around that they were a huge corporation. Came back to bite them with DOJ (and foreign equivalents), pushing hard on partners/channel/competitors, no engagement with the other Washington, and became a bit arrogant with customers and actively responding to their needs.

Hard to transition from upstart / fast growth mode into seasoned corporate entity with a more realistic growth trajectory. Same thing lies ahead for Apple although consumer space does allow for more flex. Apple could (and has) created a complete shift in OS/app/platform model and perhaps could still get away with it again if need be. Msft is tied extremely tightly to it's installed base - both an asset and a millstone.
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I agree with those above and also
toddybottom 27th Oct
"And it should go without saying that Apple cannot compete by continuing to use the intimidation tactics of its departed founder, no matter how many tens of billions it has in its expansive larders."

Why should this go without saying? Apple is bigger than any other company in the world with a bigger bankroll and a better legal department. This is working very well for Apple. Sorry Jason but it does not go without saying that Apple can't continue to use intimidation to win.

And let me throw my support behind those above who point to massive growth in every market that Apple has a monopoly in. They aren't simply keeping existing customers, they are grabbing nearly every new customer as well and they are making a profit while doing it.

Your entire post is unsupported by the facts.
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@toddybottom should not just add growth but accelerate it in the next ten years.. without apple so much as entering or creating a new market.. Apple has about 7% market share in cellphones.. what will apples profits look like when phones are smartphones? can apple grab 10-15-20%.. that's huge growth when you look at number of cell phones today.. ad growth into china and india.. jason's assertions make no sense..
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RE: Apple: It's time to leave Neverland
brother451 Updated - 21st Dec
Oh man. If Apple made an iScreen TV it would flop so hard. Nobody wants their web technology tied to a disposable 42"+ tv screen.

Knowing Apple it would come in one size and if you don't like it too bad. Not to mention it would cost twice the amount of the leading Samsung display. What a horrible idea.

I think if they're smart they'll stick to a little AppleTV box that can be used with any screen.

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