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Chromebooks: The choice of the AARP generation?

By | June 21, 2011, 11:52am PDT

Summary: Chromebooks might not excite the savvy Windows, Mac or iPad-wielding techno-literati, but an entire generation of older users may flock to them for user-friendly web access.

Chromebooks might not excite the savvy Windows, Mac or iPad-wielding techno-literati, but an entire generation of older users may flock to them for user-friendly web access.

When the first Chromebooks were announced with inital pricing and data plans, I wasn’t very impressed. In fact, I thought that to buy one at the current prices, you had to be flat out crazy.

I mean $350-$430 for a device that simply browses the web? Are they meshugge? What is Google and its OEM partners smoking, exactly?

This is not to say that I think that Chrome OS has no technical merit nor its proper use case. In fact, I’ve been involved with Google’s Chrome OS Cr-48 notebook beta for quite a while now.

I spent an entire Christmas vacation using one as my exclusive computing device, after which I returned it to Google. For my efforts, Google finally sent me one to use on my own.

What did I do with that device? Well, after playing with it for a few days, I decided to give it to my In-laws, Sandy and Bob.

Now, as many of you know who have read this column in the past, my in-laws have been a constant source of article inspiration. When it comes to blowing up Windows boxes, or encountering some kind of bizarre end-user snag that a IT pro wouldn’t normally encounter in a managed enterprise environment, my in-laws will definitely get hit with it.

My in-laws are pure New Media tech punditry gold.

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Some of this stuff which I’ve written about is typical user carelessness or due to a basic lack of understanding of the platform they use. And that’s to be expected, because my 70+ year-old in-laws are not technologists. They’re end-users.

So I dropped the Google Cr-48 off at my In-laws a few months ago, with the intention that the primary user would be Bob, who has become more homebound as of late. As most of his computing activity was centered around browsing and email, I thought he would be the perfect candidate for the device.

I didn’t hear back from my in-laws for a few months regarding the prototype Chromebook. I figured they had lost interest in it.

Well as it turns out, my mother-in-law, Sandy, has taken to it like a fish to water. She loves the thing. In fact she likes it so much that she’s pretty much stopped using her Windows 7 notebook, a Lenovo ThinkPad T61 which lives upstairs in her home office with the wireless printer.

During our Father’s Day weekend barbecue at their house, I asked Sandy why she was using it more than her ThinkPad.

“Well, I like to be down here near the bedroom, kitchen and living room, and it’s lighter and easier to move around than the other laptop. And it’s very easy to use.”

“Do you use it for everything?”

“Just about. I access my real estate agency’s Multiple Listing Service and stuff with it. The only thing I can’t do is print.”

“I can make it print, as long as your laptop upstairs is turned on, so it acts as a Cloud Print server.”

“Really? ‘Cause that would be great, then I’d only have to go upstairs when something gets printed.”

“Yeah. I can do that. Is there anything else that it doesn’t do?”

“I’d like it to have a word processing program so I can type things out.”

So what did I do? I logged onto the Chrome Web Store, installed a Google Docs icon on the device, and showed her how to use it. Problem solved.

“So is Google actually selling these things now?”

“Yeah, but they’re selling them for about $350-$400.”

“That’s too much money. I’d pay $250 for one of these.”

And there lies Google’s problem. They’ve got a great OS and device that would be ideal for neophytes and basic end-users, but the darn things cost too much money. Especially for seniors on fixed incomes.

What can Google do to resolve the situation? Well, if a big potential seed market for Chrome OS is seniors, then I would partner with a large company such as AARP which could leverage its purchasing power to get them out cheaper to their target audience.

An organization that powerful could take the COSTCO approach and even contract brand their own device or a special model, such as a Wi-Fi only version with a larger screen. Or even a $99 “ChromeTerm” that any senior with a large screen TV and a wireless keyboard/touchpad combo could use from their couch.

Perhaps even leverage the “Special Offers” ad-supported demographically-targeted business model that Amazon is taking with their reduced-price Kindle, in order to keep the costs down.

True, many seniors might not be able to get access to broadband. But there are plenty of ones like Sandy and Bob who can. And I’m betting that if Google can keep costs down on the hardware, they’ll see Senior adoption of Chrome OS like they take to knitting, Metamucil and Cialis.

Could Google’s Chrome OS take off with Seniors for the right price? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

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RE: Chomebooks: The choice of the AARP generation?
hayneiii@... 6th Jan
Give it a rest, the Chromebook has no market.
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Supply and Demand
Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate 21st Jun
Based on the sheer number of SKUs that keeps on growing by the day, there will be continued price pressure and that will eventually result in a price drop across many products coming into the fall.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate

and it hasn't happened. Why would this become different, given that the interest in this is far, far less then in the tablet area?
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Have you seen the price of Netbooks?
Dietrich T. Schmitz, *~* Your Linux Advocate 21st Jun
@Will Pharaoh

As low as $100
Tablets made in India--$25.

Supply and Demand will prevail.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz - "Supply and demand" only works when demand can afford it. Keep whittling down wages and time and there will be no demand left. wink
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Robert Hahn 21st Jun
I think you're right about the Fall price drop, but I think it will be a one-time thing... the clearing of three hundred tons of unsold Android tablets for so-much-a-pound.

Once those are gone, it'll be a while before we see prices like that again.

BTW, you don't really believe that $35 Indian tablet, do you? Do you know anything about manufacturing or what things cost? The fishiest of the Chinese knockoff artists struggle to break $200 with resistive screens... you think the Indians can beat that by 6X? That's nuts.
@Robert Hahn
You can get many android 2.2 running 7 inch or 10.1 china made tablets for under $100. I get like 8 models for the $65-90 range. They run ok but not like the bnig name ones but for any tablet going above $299 jusdt makes them a non buy. the ipad at its price is pointless but people who don't have to worry about money dont care about usability they like what Steve tells them to buy even if its limited, over priced and ugly.
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Again, it is the price
facebook@... 21st Jun
ChromeBooks are a problem looking for a solution to fix with it. This is the netbook fad all over again. Although it will bring down the price of commodity notebooks, the clear winner will be Asian manufacturers and Microsoft, not Google.
the clear winner will be Asian manufacturers and MicrosoftIt's amazing how many people still think the money in these devices is in manufacturing the hardware. It isn't, and it hasn't been for thirty years. Just as they did with VCRs and DVD players, the "Asian manufacturers" will race to the bottom as they seek to asymptotically approach breakeven. Meanwhile, just as happened with VCRs and DVD players, Hollywood will make all the money by selling content.

The devices aren't what the consumer is buying. Consumers are buying games, and movies, and songs. The devices are just the means to an end, one that ultimately generates almost no profit.
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@Robert Hahn Chromebook is the WORST platform you can think for games, movies and songs.

Chromebook is not good for anything but simple web based applications. It is by no means a product for gaming, watching movies or listening to music.
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@facebook@... I spent 12 hours setting up a Windows laptop yesterday, and I was amazed at how much faster my "fad" netbook is at almost everything, thanks to Linux and a SSD. I don't see netbooks as a fad at all -- they fill a niche that is important to someone who wants an inexpensive, lightweight travel computer with long battery life. Even a Chromebook is a little on the large side for my tastes, although I do appreciate the 12" screen.

@wackoe... I haven't wasted time on gaming in years, and I don't watch movies on computers, but I do listen to music, and I can assure you that Google Music runs just fine on even a very low-end computer. I uploaded my entire music library to Google Music about 10 days ago, and it works like a charm -- better than Amazon's music service, and at least as good as iTunes.
@S_Deemer

I put Win7 on netbooks and got much better performance than XP had. Were you comparing XP with a 4500 RPM drive to a current verions of Linux with an SSD? I have a dual boot of Ubuntu Netbook and Win 7 32 Ultimate on a 3GHZ P4. Start up and shut down are within a second of each other.
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Your in-laws may be the exception. They love it. The rest of the AARP generation probably couldn't be bothered with it. Its one more bill for them to pay.
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Another dollar
Robert Hahn 21st Jun
I hate to say this, but I think you're right. We've looked into providing SWMBO's parents with an iPad. But they don't have WiFi where they live, and a broadband account is beyond their means. They have a second-hand laptop and dial-up AOL. They will not spend more for "Internet."
@LoverockDavidson This story is from a UK study -- I'll bet the percentage is higher in the USA: http://mashable.com/2011/06/22/grandparents-social-networking/
@LoverockDavidson
Agreed! Plus many of us seniors do not belong to AARP; insurance salesman burn-out!
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@LoverockDavidson :
Exactly - I wanted one for my sister so she could see pics of her grandchilren. The problem is not the device. It is the extra support for Wi-Fi (she and her husband are totally non tech savvy), or cost of buying 3G. Better to purchase Internet TV hybrids once they become standard items.
Does the author know anything about Baby Boomers? they last thing they want is anything to make them part of the AARP crowd, so no they won't go to LameBoooks (chromebook) they will go for Apple's iPad.
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And you say
sportmac 21st Jun
@Hasam1991
this based on what exactly? Since you question the authors credentials on boomers what exactly are yours that you can make such a declaration as though its fact? You were able to type it out?
@sportmac

Chromebooks are awful they have been reviewed by CNET and Maximum PC and countless other sites, Old folks will be sticking with windows or Macs
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@Hasam1991

Nope. Babyboomer here.

Win 7 is really the only suggestion. Stop pretending people lose their mind when they get past 50 so they'll pay hard earned money on a brick to carry around. Any netbook/laptop with Win 7 is a cheap and powerful solution. If you just want the limitations of Chrome, then set Win 7 to start IE automatically and put Windows Live on the first tab. At least that way you get to use modern software with a modern UI, instead of Google's perpetual betas that look like they're from the early 90s (as is their OS).

One of the benefits of age is not caring about what other people think No need for status symbols and status tech like Apple.
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Agree
wackoae 21st Jun
@tonymcs@... Baby boomers are smart people, not idiots.

Why pay a premium for a useless product? There are many full functioning notebooks (not netbook) in the market that are up to 40% cheaper and have better specs.

Seriously, baby boomers are educated people, not complete morons. They are not going to waste money on something totally useless.
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@Fan_of_Tech... The 12 hours included 2+ hours to burn Win7 recovery and repair DVDs (5) before I started on any updates and changes. I used PSI Secunia to identify things that need updating, and it required multiple scans, updates, reboots, rescans, updates, etc. until Secunia finally gave the machine a clean bill of health. The initial 67 Microsoft updates absolutely did not cover everything that needed to be updated -- not even from Microsoft. I started at 2:00 Monday afternoon, and finished at 9:00 Tuesday night. Obviously, I wasn't futzing with Windows that entire time, but you get the picture. Most people just run the initial Microsoft updates, and think they are finished.

Re which computer got the most use over the past 6 months, probably 80% Cr-48, 15% Ubuntu netbook, and 5% iMac (mostly as a print server from Ubuntu, and for doing my taxes with TurboTax). Printing is one of the areas where CrOS is grossly deficient -- Google's "cloud print" solution is terribly inferior to CUPS.
@Hasam1991 People are so willing to make uninformed generalizations. I'm a leading edge boomer, turning 65 in a few days, so I guess I'm a member of the AARP generation. I have been a Mac owner since May 1985, and I have looked at and rejected the iPad as an overpriced toy that holds no interest for me. Of the three machines that I currently use (iMac, Acer netbook running Linux, and a Cr-48 Chromebook), the has gotten the most use over the past 6 months. As Apple used to say in their ads, "It just works."

Since December, I've been using a Cr-48 as part of Google's pilot program, and I have often thought along the same lines as Perlow re whether a Chromebook might be the only computer my 89-year old mother could be bothered to use -- and which wouldn't require my ongoing technical support. There are a lot of people who just want a computer that works, without making them jump through a bunch of hoops to make it work, and continue working.

Yesterday, I spent 12 hours setting up a Windows laptop for a friend. Compared with less than five minutes to get my Cr-48 going back in December. I had forgotten what a miserable experience it is to bring a Windows machine to life, apply an endless stream of updates (most required by Windows' miserably insecure architecture), and de-crapify to remove the resource suckers that are bundled by default.

With 25 years in IT, and working familiarity with Unix, Linux, and multiple versions of Windows, I'm hardly a neophyte, and -- within its defined purpose -- I find the Chromebook model perfectly workable, despite some holes in its functionality (notably printing and offline support).
@S_Deemer

Sorry, which one has gotten the most use in the last 6 months (I think you meant to say the iMac but i'm not sure)?

I would question your 12 hours. The netbook I recently purchased took somewhere between 3 and 4 hours to set up with the install, cleanup the bloatware and do the updates (on a computer with what i would consider low specs).

However, I think that there is merit in the simplicity of a chromebook. Whether Google or someone else can create a price effective incarnation of this cloud computing is another story.

Your point was well spoken: within its defined purpose the model is workable.
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RE: Chomebooks: The choice of the AARP generation?
ItsTheBottomLine Updated - 22nd Jun
@S_Deemer Interesting 12 hours? I have never taken that long to setup a Windows machine - especially 7. Linux has not taken that long for me in a long time, though it is longer than Windows. Sorry questioning the 12 hours sounds like a little fudging going on, or really, crappy hardware.

We have 3 Chromebooks here - luke warm at best reception so far and more issues than pluses from the testers ( and these people love Google!)
Delightful article. This was truly fund to read and I like hearing about what grandma and grandpa thinks. That's a whole different point of view than the geeks here. It doesn't run ms office!? Unusable!;-)
of the AARP generation.

The grandparents in the example were "given", as in "free", the Chromebook they received, and most grandparents are not lucky enough to have a techie as their consultant when they need help, and of course, they're going to have to pay for the gadget.

The most interesting part in the article is that, the blogger himself felt no need at all to work with the gadget or to keep it, and so, he found somebody that is not as tech-savvy who might have some use for it. He turned his disappointment with the gadget into an article, and his grandparents into experiments.
Quote: "I didn?t hear back from my in-laws for a few months regarding the prototype Chromebook. I figured they had lost interest in it."

That is what Chromebooks are all about - Zero Maintenance. It can be used by everybody without having to the spend time and effort maintaining (and acquiring the expertise to maintain) a Windows computer.

This is basically what many clueless PC hobbyists and those who write reviews for PC hobbist type magazines completely miss. Chromebooks offer more for less - more time to spend on your computer for work or leisure, and less time configuring and maintaining it. isn't about bargain of the week hardware, super-duper hardware specs. It isn't about installing and trying out pirate versions of Photoshop and MS Office you got off one of your friends on a cheap Windows netbook just for the fun of it (well, if you could afford the cost of a legit copy, then you wouldn't be complaining that Chromebook is $50 overpriced). It isn't about getting the latest cutting edge Windows PC hardware and spending all your time overclocking and benchmarking it. Actually, the more I think about, the more Windows looks like a niche product in terms of what most customers really want.

One other point. Chromebooks would make a really great WiFi home PC. Most home use is Internet use, Google Apps gives you an Office suite and Gmail. Various web apps give you photo editing and sharing - there is more by way of web apps, but that and the Internet in general is about all most people need. Zero Maintenance is the real winner in this scenario though.
@Mah Good points. The hardware is just too expensive for consumers right now but it will get cheaper.

Many of these people leaving comments are not seeing the big picture. They see computing 5 years from now as being what it is today but it is going to be radically different. Thin computing is the future (aka the "cloud"). MS with Windows 8 and Windows Phone and Apple with iPad, Macbook Air both know where the market is going. MS is already moving heavily into the cloud with Exchange and Sharepoint and companies love it because it saves truckloads of money. Supporting stand alone applications and Exchange on a large enterprise is a huge undertaking.
@Mah
let's stop fudging FUDing, and out right lies!! I'm 66y/o and use windows only. I dont have this horrible maintenance problem that I hear about. The only maintenance I have are periodic updates, that amounts to leaving the machine on overnite, when I'm in the update zone. I guess that is just too much maintenance for some people??? By the way, I use Windows 7, Home Premium! Maybe that's why my maintenance is miniscule.
@windozefreak
That's is the thing though. For Windows hobbyists like yourself (the name windozefreak is a dead giveaway), the maintenance overhead of Windows and time required to learn how to do it, is a labour of love, so you don't find it difficult.

It isn't the same for someone who just wants to use the computer and doesn't enjoy maintaining it, or someone who has to maintain desktop PCs for others for a living. For those people Windows maintenance is a big headache and a big overhead. For bisinesses it costs a lot of money as well. What those people are looking for is a zero maintenance computer like a Chromebook.
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Uhm... Sounds like your target demo needed a netbook not necessarily a Chromebook. My parents love their netbooks for the same reason that your in-laws do - they are light and easy to bring around everywhere they go. Oh, they're also available for the price range she's looking for, some are even in the sub-$250 range now.

[edit] I should have actually said "free" considering part of the point here seems to be the data plan for Chromebooks.
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@gguuss Netbooks aren't maintenance free. Read the supporting articles I linked to.
@jperlow

How much more 'maintenance' is it to set up automatic updates (one time), a printer one time, etc. on a Netbook than your 'maintenance' in going back to set up printing and teaching how to use a cloud based word processor? She already has a notebook upstairs ... I presume it has a word processor she knows how to use?
Sounds to me like you are severely glossing over the Chromebook 'maintenance' performed to make the evidence fit your claims.
@jperlow Definitely not maintenance free if they are running Windows. I pulled the (partitioned) HDD from my netbook about 2 years ago, and replaced it with a SSD that has only Linux installed on it. Every six months or so, I stick the HDD back in to update Windows XP. I did that yesterday, a process that took about 4 hours, and involved countless reboots to apply all the patches.

Updating Ubuntu 10.04 (in a separate partition) took less than 30 minutes, with a single reboot at the end of the process. And, for those who know little or nothign about desktop Linux, no CLI was required.

Updating Chrome OS several times since December 17 has required almost zero effort -- it just tells you to restart after an update has been downloaded in the background.
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RE: Chomebooks: The choice of the AARP generation?
Alan Smithie Updated - 21st Jun
@gguuss

Reading a netbook screen is like looking at the typeface of Insurance T & C's - damn small print.
@Alan Smithie ctrl+
So google fanboys- how does my 75-year old computer illiterate father load photos from his digital camera on a chromebrick? Simple, right? NOT!
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Easy!
Mah 22nd Jun
@pooletal41
You just plug the camera into the Chromebook's USB port, and the photo files are visible to the Chromebook's file browser.
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i think the demographic split
A.Lizard 21st Jun
suggested in the article is wrong.

It isn't a matter of age goup, it's power user vs non-power user.

I'm a power user (ex-Windows, now Linux), I've got no particular use for a Chromebook. . . despite the fact that the AARP has been trying to get me to join for the last year. I don't need Google's cloud for a full-time environment, I have a small one of my own. I run nxserver on my desktop and nxclient on my lab and netbook and use the desktop as a data repository and app server. And when google's application environments crash, it's no big deal for me.

I'm also the person who's cleaned the viruses off computers owned by the "tech-savvy" generation currently in their 20s. A computer whose maintenance is effectively in somebody else's cloud that does websurfing including viewing multimedia and also does lightweight document processing might be a very good deal for a non-power user regardless of age.
However, a netbook doesn't fit everybody's needs.

Google really needs a "Chrome-top" ... laptops with larger screens and more local computing power for people ranging from those who need larger font sizes to people who work with larger format documents who need more than a 10" screen to work with them.
Configure a windows 7 laptop in a user mode and give it to non-techie users so that they dont mess up things.

The idea of chrome laptop is fundamentally flawed. It has no support for peripheral devices and all no heavy lifting applications will run on it.

A lot of bloggers are trying to push it saying that iy will suit for generation Y or your grand parents or blah blah blah...

Sorry.. anybody who values money and common sense won't but it.
With all respect for the "experts", but they are no baby-boomer. I am: 64 years young, educated in the use of Windows and Ubuntu and I would love to have a Chromebook.
Baby-boomers travel but want to stay connected with their (grand)children. They communicate, they lookup maps and routes, they browse the web for things to see, eat, go and they do it all day long. Light weight and long battery life are essential. And I almost forgot: I want to read it without glasses. I tried a tablet: too small for me!
ChromeOS does makes things simpler, no need to worry about the complexities of MAC OS or Windows.
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wouldnt work for mine, i dont think
tiderulz Updated - 22nd Jun
i moved my grandparents (91 & 95) from windows, which i was over every 4 months to almost do a complete reinstall as they somehow would riddle their system with viruses, over to Linux Mint. Selfishness on my part, as i knew that they wouldnt be open to all the windows viruses anymore. That simple move stopped my quarterly service calls and i didnt have another for almost 18 months. They live in the browser mostly, email, web, etc. But they do have programs that you cant always find on the web.

I wont say i know a lot about the Chrome books. But my grandmother, as the older crowd do, loves bridge. so i had to install Wine, and load her Bridge program that she has been playing for a few years now. She didnt want an alternative, didnt want something thru the browser. And i bet you will find that a lot. If the Chrome books will allow Wine and programs they are used to, to be installed then i could see some adoption, but if not, you will have a hard time getting the older set to change.
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No thanks
rag@... 22nd Jun
I refuse to give a dime to AARP, and this whole Chromebook thing is going to go nowhere. It's a crappy and expensive idea. Let's just move on.
Wow! With all the apparent opportunities you mention I have to wonder why you're still writing a column and not running your own business.

@tonymcs - ditto.
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@aleobul Read my disclaimer, Einstein. happy
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And no one is going to buy them, least of all seniors.
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Not MY Choice
olddogv 22nd Jun
I am 72, a HS drop-out, a GED, but no tech training.
I gave up on win, went to Ubuntu Linux. I need speed, stability, & function, even when not connected to the web. I also have little need for cloud computing. Low cost is of major importance also. I use mostly an Acer 5050 14" laptop, ubuntu for last 4 years.
Get Verizon, Time Warner Cable, or AT&T to package home internet broadband service with a Chromebook for a monthly fee with no upfront cost... just the monthly fee that includes the Chromebook and a wi-fi networked printer that can use Google Cloud Print (so no other laptop or computer is needed). Provide an updated Chromebook every couple of years and tech support and the entire package would be golden for probably a solid 60-70% of home end-users who wouldn't need to shop for hardware or internet package. Bundle the whole thing with tv and phone service, and a provider could easily take a huge share of the home internet pie.
Give it a rest, the Chromebook has no market.

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