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Conan vs. Leno: The Last Great TV Scheduling War

By | January 13, 2010, 6:51pm PST

Summary: The TV Network scheduling conflicts, ratings wars and analysis methods of the last five decades will be made obsolete by DVR ubiquity and On-Demand viewing technology.

The TV Network scheduling conflicts, ratings wars and analysis methods of the last five decades will be made obsolete by DVR ubiquity and On-Demand viewing technology.

With one of the worst natural disasters in modern history claiming untold amounts of human lives unfolding in front of us all over the media, it seems trivial if not completely callous to talk about the petty time slot scheduling differences between late-night television hosts as determined by network programming executives. But I promise, by the end of this blog entry, you’ll understand why I chose this subject today.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

For those of you living under a rock this week or more concerned with people dying in the thousands due to a horrible earthquake, you might have missed the recent brouhaha caused by NBC television’s desire to move Jay Leno’s show, which is currently experiencing lousy ratings due to a perceived loss of his old core audience, back into his old Tonight Show time slot at 11:35PM, cut his show to a half hour long and shuffle the actual Tonight Show time slot a half hour ahead to 12:05. Got that? Ok.

Conan O’Brien, the host of the Tonight Show has effectively told NBC to go shove it — either he stays in the time slot that his show has occupied for the last 60 years, or he walks, presumably to somewhere else where he is appreciated.

Is it just me, or does all of this time slotting pissing contest nonsense sound a lot like arguing about the merits of competing 56K analog modem protocols for dial-up Internet access when everyone is now using Wi-Fi, 3G, or broadband?

Let’s face it, the entire concept of “Timeslots” for TV programs is dated and prime for extinction, if not for the fact that more and more people who lead busy lives and can’t be tied to their TVs on the networks’ schedules are using DVRs to time-shift their programming. In fact, even though I have satellite television and over 200 channels of programming, my wife and I watch almost none of it live. Heck, I didn’t even realize I was in a TV promotional spot for a well-known cable TV program this week until someone told me they saw me in one. My DVR allows me to skip over all the commercials, so I had no idea I was in one.

Sure, when there is an important news event in progress, like the current situation in Haiti, I’m going to tune in live. When the World Series or the Superbowl is on, I’m probably also going to tune in live, although I might consider recording them anyway so that I can be 30 or 40 minutes buffered in order to skip commercials and do replays. And when they do the olympics in some far-off land with a time zone that is completely flip-flopped or after my bedtime? DVR, baby.

In of October of 2008, it was estimated that 27 percent of all American households had at least one DVR, and 30 percent of those DVR households had more than one DVR. In the 14 months since, that number is going to be considerably higher given the fact that every single Cable and Satellite TV provider, as well as the telcos providing Fiber Optic Internet service have rolled out subsidized DVR services as part of the premises equipment. Magna Insights, an advertising research firm, projects that by 2014, a whopping 44 percent of all TV households will have DVR capability.

By 2014, I think the DVR number is going to be a lot closer to 100 percent of all Cable, Satellite and Broadband service subscribers. It should also be worth mentioning that by 2014 or 2016, every broadband customer will have some sort of On-Demand functionality integrated into their basic on-premises equipment. Who the On-demand content provider leader by 2016 will be will be be hard to say — it could be someone like Netflix, Amazon or Roku, or a new industry player entirely.

Regardless of who the content provider leaders are — who are I think may very well end up being the usual suspects we recognize today, I suspect that each and every network produced, non-live TV show will be available via instant download. For free, with embedded advertising segments that you’ll be required to watch, just as if you were watching it on Hulu now. If you want it without advertising or the ability to fast forward, you’ll have to pay for it, just like your Cable TV and Satellite content from HBO and Showtime.

Wanna watch the latest Late Night with David Letterman or Big Bang Theory? You wont have to worry about catching it in “Prime Time” or setting your DVR, which in 2016 will both be anachronisms. You’ll see the latest episodes appear on your “Subscribed Programming list” on your set-top box of choice and be able to watch it the minute it is released and streamed instantly to your TV, just as you can do with Roku and Netflix today.

Considering that Conan and Leno “tape” their shows in the middle of the afternoon, their fully-digital 1080i and 720p content could be available as soon as the final produced cut is dumped to a Storage Area Network from the studio, encoded in a loss-less compressed HDTV video format, and replicated via high-speed optical carrier to a CDN like LimeLight Networks, Akamai, Netflix or UStream, who would then provide the feed directly to Comcast, DirecTV, Verizon, or whoever needs to populate their content on their set-top box for On-Demand Streaming.

Certainly, there will still be a significant portion of the population that will watch “Live” programming in the “Timeslots”, just as there are people today who are stuck with Over the Air (OTA) TV reception, don’t have HDTVs and use converters, refuse to pay for basic cable TV or satellite or are unable to access some sort of broadband due to local infrastructure issues. But they’ll be an ever dwindling segment of the population, until which point just about everyone that could possibly impact the balance of the outcome of the rating equations networks use to make programming decisions outnumbers them.

Ratings will no longer be about timeslots, but about the number of downloads and targeted audiences, and the metrics that content providers will be able to gather and data mine will be tremendous. Suddenly, NBC will realize that 70 percent of what gets shown on Saturday Night Live sucks ass, and they’ll be able to do sophisticated trends analysis to tell them to ditch the consistently stupid skits and the people that produce them or star in them, because they’ll know exactly when people tune in and tune out to very granular levels of detail. Produced television content will have to survive based on raw viewership and downloads, not by what time slot they occupy. The success of television programming in 2016 will be measured not unlike the way we measure the success of New Media today. Old Media Television will have to adapt to an instantaneous gratification model, or die.

And then finally, “Timeslots” and “Live” will be reserved for the things that are REALLY important, like for showing us unfolding events of the world and things that really matter. Not the trivial battles between the late night yukkity-yuks, who we can watch at 3 in the afternoon or late Sunday morning or at any other time we choose.

Will DVRs and On-Demand re-define ratings and how television content is viewed and perceived? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

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RE: Conan vs. Leno: The Last Great TV Scheduling War
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Jay should retired
Randalllind Updated - 13th Jan 2010
Jay claims he just bank every thing he made from The Tonight Show and never withdrew any. So he doesn't need the money so just retired.

Not Conan fault Jay bombed at 10pm.
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Loverock Davidson 13th Jan 2010
I really don't like Leno. I've watched his new show a few times, watched his old show a few times, didn't find either one all that entertaining. Conan on the other hand, he is hilarious. I hope he works something out and stays on the show. But even if he leaves he won't have a problem finding another show or going back to writing.
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Leno could never save a bad joke
T1Oracle 14th Jan 2010
and there were plenty. Letterman was funnier but he was mean so he didn't get the best guests, CBS sucks, and now there's the whole sex scandal thing.

Oh well. Leno always bored me.
Hmm - tough to say since most shows are supported by high dollar advertising. If time shifting and skipping commercials kills the $ then the content will suffer. The whole problem with Jay is it messed up the affiliates news hour, Conan does not serve the same demographic as Leno, and there is more to the Tonight show than just a host. It was a pretty good formula - they should have left it alone.

I suspect TV in its current form will continue as it has for over 50 years, but with modifications to force advertising on the DVRs such that say, you can't ffwd through commericals just the same as you have to absorb them on Hulu. Or, ads in the margins of DVR menus.

Most importantly I cant figure out why if everyone is ffwd through commercials, then why don't advertisers put great big giant, stable static, logo graphics on their commercials that can be seen clearly even during FFWD's. Quite frankly the time I watch TV most intensely is when I have my finger on FFWD - what a great time to abosorb some ads!

Further, the wonderful thing about TV is you don't have to micro-manage it if you don't want to - just flip it on put your feet up and watch - tune in and then tune out. With Leno, one could catch the days news at 11, get some comedy at 11:30 and end the day relaxed. I don't want to have to hunt and peck for each bit of content, each SNL skit, each Leno skit or joke, only the funny episodes of Office, and so on - too much work when you put it all together. A little channel flipping is fine, but I don't want to watch TV in the way that Youtube works.

So, I think your wrong. TV will look mighty similar in a few years, though advertsing will change and Letterman might be on the Discovery/Harpo network by then.
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RE: Conan vs. Leno: The Last Great TV Scheduling War
babyboomer57 Updated - 14th Jan 2010
First of all, not to be bitchy, but the Jay Leno show is an hour, not 1/2 hour. EDIT: Jason fixed the story, makes sense now. Thanks.

As far as that subject goes, I think Conan has a great lawsuit on his hands if they force him to accept the move or leave. This deal was struck many years ago, and to try to renege on it now just to appease Leno is bull. Like the first comment said, time for Leno to retire and enjoy some of the money he has been stashing away for years.

As far as the TV model changing, there will be no choice if the big 4 networks are to survive. All of the revenue comes from advertising, and when people are skipping the ads with the DVR playback, something will have to be done.

I don't think it will get as advanced as you think it will by 2016, but I think it will be well on the way there, or at least similar to your vision. One way or another, we will either be forced to pay for TV or be forced to watch the advertising. Make no mistake about that. TV isn't produced for our viewing pleasure, it is produced to make a profit.
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The NEW show would be, currently 10-11 pm
babyboomer57 13th Jan 2010
Now go to bed, it's late, and I need you to be fresh to write again tomorrow. happy
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I think Jay Leno should be put back into his
old time slot. I miss him. My husband and son do too.
I don't care for Conan. I don't care where he goes.
Many people do seem to like Conan,,, they each
have their own fans. I don't understand why they
changed it at all if Leno still wanted to have his
show? Why did they make him leave in the first
place? It seems they just shoved him out and brought
in Conan.
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They had to because ...
mwagner@... 14th Jan 2010
... six years ago, NBC (and presuambly Leno) signed a contract to turn over The Tonight Show to Conan in 2009.

When Leno changed his mind, NBC decided to try this stunt rather than break Conan's contract in order to keep Leno on The Tonight Show. They gambled and they lost.

The "fair" thing to do is to honor Conan's contract. From a ratings standpoint, they might be better off if they put Leno back on the Tonight Show at 11:30.

Still, I view Leno as "damaged goods" for reneging on his original 'promise' to Conan and will be less likely to watch him now than I would have been. (I prefer Letterman anyway and feel like NBC screwed Letterman when they gave the job to Leno - way back when.)

Realistically, NBC risks screwing up the The Tonight Show franchise entirely if they move The Tonight Show to midnight to accommodate Leno. Conan didn't want to see that happen so he called them on it - closing the door on that option. It was a gutsy thing for Conan to do because he risks losing everything by not cooperating.

In the end, NBC looks bad and Jay Leno looks bad. Conan O'Brien comes out 'looking good' but he might be unemployed soon. (But probably very rich.)
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Hmmm
JasonJD48 14th Jan 2010
They should put Leno at 12:35 and screw Jimmy Fallon over, push him back a half hour and Carson Daly back, then Poker After Dark can air at 7am. j/k
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Jay did not bomb. NBC decided to change it all around and made him leave for Conan. Then they decided to bring him back at 10. Conan couldn't carry the time slot they put him in. They should have left it the way it was. I think Jay is great at his old time slot. Much better than Conan.
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I have become the latest candidate to cut off cable. I am tired to paying oodles of money for temporary content. Instead we have the basic over the air essentials, and the remainder is Internet based.

For the past decade I have gotten my news from the Internet.

I now get my prime viewing stuff from the Internet

And finally for movies or series I just buy the DVD. I can watch the movie or series multiple times. No commercials and at my time in my location.

So to see a war regarding Leno and Conan, yeah I can see the point. Because that would be a show I would watch live....
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Late night TV dead
jscott418 14th Jan 2010
The main reason Leno failed in prime time is that late night is dead. You cannot put a late night personality on prime time and expect big ratings.
These guys at best have a unique audience and they all have their following. Its just not enough for prime time. Conan needs to get a ego check. With ratings falling after Leno parted. He needs to realize that nobody would want to put him in a late night slot against Letterman and Leno. He would be killed. He should be happy to follow leno and I think NBC should even consider a joint hosting possibility. After all late night is dying and this may actually help ratings to combine the two.
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Good idea
JasonJD48 14th Jan 2010
make it 1 1/2 hours long and run it like the today show with hosts at different points
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The problem isn't Conan OR Jay; it's NBC executives
Rick S._z Updated - 15th Jan 2010
NBC has a fiasco of falling ratings and rioting affiliates for one simple reason:

The whole notion of three straight hours of comedians hosting shows with the EXACT same format is like committing hari-kiri: death comes to NBC very quickly, but it still hurts really bad.

At 11:30, there's always been about 15 minutes of the host's jokes, always including banter with the house band leader; followed by a lot of selling: Actors selling new movies, Writers selling new books, guest musicians selling new records, and guest comedians selling themselves. Plus more actors selling TV shows....

An hour later, the EXACT same format. And 90 minutes before, the EXACT same format again ??? That's whacked! I know that it costs nothing to produce the Jay Leno show, and "the network" can turn a profit without any effort at all. But the locals can't survive with their own evening news programs destroyed by the unwatched, uninteresting lead-in program.

There's no point in labeling one of the 3 hosts as "much better" or "much worse" than the other two.... it's the simple fact that NBC's former customers would rather be water-boarded than "invited" to watch all 3 shows, one right after the next, with only a short local news program to relieve the monotony.

BTW, I think that Conan has done some really funny stuff: Better than anything I've seen Jay do on TV, although Jay is way more entertaining at Casino shows than he is on TV.
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Bless the DVR
Bill4 14th Jan 2010
It means that I can watch both Supernatural and Fringe and thanks to my obsolete ATI 650 I don't even have to use a cable system if I don't want.
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My wife and I watch Jeopardy! most nights. We usually watch it during the time when Wheel of Fortune is on. That way we don't have to pay attention to the commercials, Alex blah-blahing with the contestants, etc.

If we actually had to watch shows when they were on, we wouldn't watch them at all. That's just how my we watch TV now.
I don't really watch either one. All of my television is streamed through Hulu. Since television is pretty much ad based, I don't see that changing in the next century let alone decade. You might see embedded ads or product placing in shows or you might have entire television shows dedicated to products. In the 70s and 80s a lot of those cartoons were just half hour ads for toy products.

Me, I sit through the commercials on Hulu, right now they are only about 30 seconds and there are only about 2-8 commercials per show so for me it is not that intrusive. I probably would not pay a premium to get commercial free content unless it was a movie or a one shot long duration show. But normal television viewing would not be worth paying for but I don't mind reasonable advertising to support the content. If I were going to digitally "rent" a movie for example, I would pay some money (not physical media kind of money though) to watch it uninterrupted.

I would like to see a balance between the number and duration of advertising and the actual number of people streaming the content.
Popular shows should have a limited amount of advertising but it should cost more to put an ad in the space. less popular shows would have more advertising and be cheaper to buy ad slots. Under this model you preserve most of the end user experience and society can still support shows that may not be "premium" quality. If you want to watch a show you like but might not be as popular, you can, you just have to deal with more ads. If you watching the Super Bowl, however, you won't have as many ads but the companies who bought the slots paid a premium for your eyeballs.
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Not the issue
Rick_R 14th Jan 2010
DVR's are irrelevant. Leno announced FIVE YEARS AGO that he would be retiring. His real reason is to avoid the problem Johnny Carson faced.

Carson is universally regarded as "the all-time undisputed king of late night. No one ever did it better and no one will ever again achieve what he did."

Carson was "on his game" until he retired. But despite that, when he got into his mid-60's he just didn't appeal to a younger audience. Most of his guests were at least in their early 50's. When he would have a 20-something music group or the newest fad actor on, it was like "grandpa trying to be hip." It just didn't work. Someone Conan's age can still flirt with pretty young actresses, for instance. For someone Leno's age it just comes off as creepy.

Carson realized that he simply could not appeal due to the age gap and there was nothing he could do to change that. It's the same reason why Hollywood studios will do remakes of a movie with currently popular younger actors instead of reissuing a classic.
There is a simple solution put them both on at 11:30. One on NBC, one on MSNBC. Let the broadcasters put one on subchannel a and the other on subchannel b. Let the viewer pick which one they want, or if they want both, fire up the DVR.
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No One DVRs the Local News
Mwendo 14th Jan 2010
While you article may hold true in the future, it's certainly not fully the case now.

From the beginning, the NBC affiliates foresaw dismal ratings for the Jay Leno Show as a lead-in would negatively affect their nightly newscasts. So the whole issue is less about actual ratings of the talk shows themselves (NBC always expected Jay to have lower ratings than a scripted Law and Order, and I believe his ratings were a bit higher in prime time that at 11:35). However, the ratings were not sufficient to lead viewers into watching the late local news run by NBC affiliates. So when the news lost viewers, NBC corporate had to scramble.

After all, almost no one DVRs the local news.
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Right on...
DevStar 14th Jan 2010
It was the affiliates that made the big stink.

Also, DVR of the late shows is also relatively low compared to shows like Law and Order. For some reason, like the local news, it fits into the class of shows that you watch if its on, but most people won't record it. Even the Tonight Show is only partially topical, I'm not going to record it, nor watch it On Demand.
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You are correct, sir!
djchandler 14th Jan 2010
A bunch of affiliates were going to drop the Leno show anyway, even if NBC maintained the status quo. And it is about keeping viewers for the local news. That's when the local affiliates' can rake in the most advertising revenue.

But I have recorded the local news when I knew beforehand that family or friends were going to be on. So far there's been only human interest stories--no criminals in the current generations.
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Netflix is not a CDN. They use Limelight and Level 3.
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"encoded in a loss-less compressed HDTV video format"

Who invented a lossless video compression format? That's
news to me unless you're talking about 1.5 Gbps video.
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Contributr
Ok then...
jperlow Updated - 14th Jan 2010
"Fairly lossless" if we're talking MPEG4 at 1080i
or 1080p. Anyone but the most serious videophile
would perceive it as completely lossless. I'm not
suggesting that anyone is going to have the
available bandwidth to take raw HDTV video over
broadband by 2016. Would be nice, but I seriously
doubt it.
Agreed that "time-slot" issues will eventually diminish as internet usagage for viewing TV shows increases.

However, the complexity of TV access has increased exponentially over the years. Not only are there numerous options for obtaining TV material (cable, Sat, OTA, fiber, streaming, smart phones, etc) but the equipment is no longer a simple box with a single knob for control. Now there are DVR's (including computer based) of all types and complexities with no particular standard among any of them, but there are. And then there are the numerous internet based options for playing ones favorite shows on a computer, on a big screen, on a smart phone, etc.

But not only is there complexity in the technical equipment and delivery, but the diversity of abilities in the audience has widenend. "Baby Boomers" still make up the largest demographic in the U.S. and they will be around well beyond 2016. Unfortunately there is a disproportionate segment of that group has not migrated well to "technical diversity".

As a result, it can be just easier to watch a "time-slot" TV show. No setup, no planning, no worry. Just turn it on after dinner and vegetate while relaxing with a drink. This TV format will undoubtably remain a strong staple for many years to come.
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Its all junk TV with them
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The forgotten audience
kdjkdj@... 14th Jan 2010
What most people who live in big cities (most bloggers I believe) forget is that a larger number of people still live in small towns and in the country. Many of these do no have access to high speed broadband. Until then these people aren't refusing to upgrade but have no choices. Please don't bring up satellite since that does not provide high speed and is very download size limited (don't believe the advertisements).

Don't live there? Maybe you will someday be wealthy and move to the country. Then you will have only the same options as everyone else who can not get high speed broadband.
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Yes, nobody DVR's local news. However, I expect that in the next decade many people will have local news in their media "feed". They'll pick and choose from new content provided by local media providers. No more waiting for the "weather" or "sports" segments, those will be subscribed to individually. You'll also probably be able to seperate out "breaking news" from the puff pieces that are tossed into local news as "filler".
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DVRs and Timeslots
dcolbert@... 14th Jan 2010
I'm on the fence on this one. Your own numbers say that currently only 25%ish of the audience has the ability to time-shift. Additionaly, as you readily point out, those that do time-shift often skip commercials - and therefore are already a kind of "throw-away" part of the audience from the perspective of "conventional TV programming wisdom". Because that is what the timeslots are about. It is the difference between having major sponsers and having Chia-Pet and TV Merchandise commercials - and I assume that endorsements are also more lucrative if you're in a choice time-slot.

Which is probably a big part of Conan's concern, and therefore, probably a legitimate concern for him.

Jason, how about we make you Executive Senior Editor of ZDnet, but you retain all the same things around the office as you have now. The same parking spot, the same office, the same benefits in general - despite the fact that every one to receive this promotion PRIOR to you got a new corner office, a better benefits package, an executive parking space, and whatever else traditionally came with the promotion.

The Tonight Show has occupied a particular slot for decades through multiple hosts. Why would you move Conan into another time slot? It is effectively a vote of low-confidence in his ability to host the franchise. I'd be miffed, too.

If the model MAY change is one thing, as it exists today, it is a quarter of the potential audience that can time-shift their TV viewing.

It might be nice to see someone in the entertainment industry looking toward the future and acting on where technology will be instead of where it has been. I can see your points - but if I were Conan, I might feel differently.
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Whose Time Slot?
ScottTaylorMCPD 14th Jan 2010
Remember when Phlox (ST:E) was asked whether he had movies on his planet? He replied that yes, they had had something like movies at one time, until they realized that real life could be a lot more interesting!
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Turn off the TV, read a book
HollywoodDog 14th Jan 2010
No DVR required.
Network TV. That stuff is still arround?

Hmmmm.
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Be careful what you wish for...
adornoe@... Updated - 14th Jan 2010
And then finally, ?Timeslots? and ?Live? will be reserved for the things that are REALLY important, like for showing us unfolding events of the world and things that really matter. Not the trivial battles between the late night yukkity-yuks, who we can watch at 3 in the afternoon or late Sunday morning or at any other time we choose.

For "unfolding events and for things that really matter", there are the cable news networks and the internet news and information providers. No need for ABC/CBS/NBC or even the FOX network (not the same as FOX news channel).

Now, be careful what you wish for.

With more and more DVRs, commercial time may disappear. If the commercials are not viewed, "free" programming on the big networks will disappear. Thus, you'll end up with less CSIs and less Family Guys and less "Two And A Half Men" and less of all the programming which comes from Hollywood and other studios. With that kind of programming disappearing from the airwaves, you won't even have to worry about setting up your DVR to record those programs which you might have wanted to watch at a later time and at your convenience. You'll end up with more reality type programming, such as Idol and The Biggest Loser and Survivor and The Amazing Race. It's that's the type of programs that you'd like to view or record on your DVR, then fine, but don't count on any other studio or Hollywood type programming.

The non-cable networks will slowly run out of original programming and will disappear or become something completely different. They may have to convert to something like 24 hour news channels, like CNN and FOX cable news.

Without the viewers making it worthwhile to the networks, there will be no original new programs from Hollywood and other locations. Without the programs that people have come to expect, then there will be no need to pay for cable service and no need for that DVR which might be serving you so nicely now. DVRs may become a thing of the past because there won't be a need for them. Anything worthwhile watching will be at your neighborhood movie theater or at Hollywood/Blockbuster or on some internet download service.

Alternately, if people want to keep their daily servings of original programming from Hollywood, they'll either have to tune in to commercial TV, or that commercial TV will have to charge the cable companies a lot more money in order to produce that programming, and if that ends up being the case, you either pay more for your cable service or you end up canceling it.

Be careful what you wish for. Nothing is ever without consequences and you may end up wishing for things to go back to the way they used to be.
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The article made some good points, however...the author failed to mention that the "bruhaha" all started with the local affiliates complaining that their 11 o'clock news stats had fallen since
the Leno and Conan had been rearranged. So they were losing sponsors etc. It is common knowledge that the younger tech savy people mentioned above are NOT the target audience of Late night news NOR Leno. Late night news and Leno target and maintain a more mature audience in their 50,s 60,s 70,s. This same audience tends to not watch as much trendy network reality type shows but rather watch alternative programming like Disc-NatGeo-PBS...normally tuning to the network for News and then Leno. Even Conan's normal late night audience was lost when he moved earlier. His ratings have also been dismal since the switch because the audience that used to watch Leno at that time switched to Letterman!
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Jason, there is a flaw in your logic ...
mwagner@... 14th Jan 2010
The kind of programming that people put on their DVRs is programming with a backstory - be it comedy or drama.

Because of the backstory (or perhaps the characters), people who care about the show will record it religiously to watch at their convenience.

Late night TV is quite different. Aside from the host (and the sidekick/band leader) there are no recurring characters or conflict (or sexual tension) to resolve.

Rarely do we pay much attention to who will be the guest on next thursday's "Late Night with David Letterman." Instead, we turn on Late Night as we settle in for the night and, oh gee, if we fall asleep, no-harm, no-foul.

If the guest has written a book or stars in a new movie, we'll seem them as a guest elsewhere this week.

I just don't think people with DVRs care enough to record the Tonight Show (or any other talk/variety show) every night.

People loved Leno in the 11:35 time slot. If your theory is correct, Jason, how come they don't like Leno at 10:00pm? (Maybe it is really just a different audience.)

How come late news ratings are not down on every network because people are recording Law & Order or CSI?

Are late news ratings down for the other networks? Apparently not.

NBCs woes may be a lot deeper than the 10:00pm timeslot but this bruhaha suggests that NBC magagement thinks otherwise. In the end, they cannot have their cake and eat it too.

Leno announced six years ago his intention to leave the show to Conan in 2009. NBC hedged their bets when Leno changed his mind - and NBC lost. Well, life's tough.

NBC tried to renege on their deal with Conan and Conan called them on it. Apparently as a matter of principle. Good for him.

NBC has already canceled Leno's show due to poor ratings (or due to disgruntled affilliates, depending upon how you want to play it). Now NBC really has two choices:

1) They can honor their contract with Conan and let Leno go into another time slot (at NBC or elsewhere).

2) They can pay off the contract with Conan and invite him to leave NBC - and give the Tonight Show back to Leno.

Either way, NBC executives look bad. Now they just need to figure out which choice hurts their bottom line the least.

Either way, this could impact how Comcast views the wisdom of its acquisition/NBC leadership.
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JasonJD48 14th Jan 2010
The 56% that won't have a DVR in their home by 2014

The households with ones in the family room, but who watch late-night TV in their bedroom.

Lets face it, for at-least the next decade, time-slot will still matter enough for TV execs to pay attention to, too many people either wont use a DVR or can't afford one. Both of these will change with time, but they still matter, and will still matter for quite a while longer.

As for Leno/O'Brien; I like Leno but he should stick by what he said he'd do and retire from Late Night gracefully. NBC should give Conan the same chance Leno was given. If they can work out a deal thats great but if they can't they should leave their lineup as is.
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NetFlix .. is a CDN? That's even stranger than calling UStream a CDN. They aren't - Netflix uses Limelight and UStream uses Akamai.

The only other real players in that space beyond Akamai and Limelight (real enough to be taken seriously by NBC, anyway) are BitGravity (CNBC uses them already), EdgeCast (ESPN uses them), and Level 3 (FOX uses them).

The rest of them are just using someone else's pipes and tech.
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Dr_Zinj 18th Jan 2010
Still an advertising funded concept; but you get to watch what you want, when you want it.
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I love the futurescope you provided. I live in India where DVR is still a relatively new phenomenon. 1 DVR provider, 3 Digital Satellite TV providers, and 88% of TV viewing populace still on basic cable. I am one of the first ones on the bandwagon and i visit the states often and take full advantage of the digital TV platter on offer. I do see your views turning into reality soon, although i do think your timeframes are a bit too optimistic. 2014, really? I would give it 4 more years.
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