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Downgrading your computer: Why less is more

By | August 18, 2010, 10:10pm PDT

Summary: Planning on upgrading your computer? Consider downgrading it instead.

The System, By Rosscott

The System, By Rosscott

Friends, I am here today to tell you that you are being bamboozled! Hoodwinked! Flim-flammed! Throw out that beefy new Alienware workstation and get yourself a sturdy little slim profile desktop. Trade in that big honking business laptop and get yourself a sleek, shiny netbook.

Sounds kind of silly, right? Not entirely. In fact, there are very good reasons for downgrading your desktop or laptop system, some of which can save you money in the long term. Most people don’t even need all of the bells and whistles their new system comes with; they may have been lured in with the mantra “more is better” without realizing that more costs more–even after the purchase is complete.

Admittedly, you would very well be giving up some performance. Gamers who thrive on the beefiest processors and video cards would be hardest hit. Ultra-realistic detail and high frame rates are critical to hardcore gamers. If you’re a more casual gamer, however, you can afford to give up a bit of power. If all you do is use your computer for web surfing and email, you don’t need a performance workhorse system.

Software developers and graphics designers are also likely to be affected by a downgrade. Compiling code, and working with high resolution images would be adversely affected by a downgrade. The software developers could possibly offload their compile onto a server, making a beefy workstation unnecessary. The graphics designer, however, might not be able to spare the computing power of their high end workstation–they would become less productive if it takes longer for them to do their work due to a downgrade.

The level of ease of the downgrade depends entirely on what you are downgrading, and how much. For instance, if you currently lug around a big old beast of a laptop when you travel, consider a subnotebook or even a netbook. For most people that travel, chances are very good that you don’t need much more than access to the web and email. The migration path then is short and sweet; configure the new laptop, copy over your necessary data, and give your neck and shoulder a break from carrying around a giant brick of hardware.

If you’re currently in the market for a new desktop system because your old one is giving up the ghost, consider more carefully what you need your computer for, rather than just buying something huge and powerful. For instance, do you need that high end $1500 Dell desktop, or can you do everything you need with the bargain $500 setup? If you’re a parent giving a computer to your kids for schoolwork, you might want to be cost-conscious. Maybe you just need a small form-factor system that stays out of the way when you don’t use it. An Apple Mac Mini for $699 or any of a number of tiny PC options are available, usually for $500 or less.

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Scott Raymond has been a technologist and system administrator for over 25 years.

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Scott Raymond

I am the IT Manager for a high end audio and network systems integrator in northern Califronia. My wife works at Adobe Systems, Inc. Whenever I write an article that might involve Adobe or its products, I add a disclaimer at the top of the article to make sure she is not involved in any way. We have a small bit of stock with AT&T and no other major investments that would cause conflict.

Biography

Scott Raymond

Scott Raymond has been a technologist and system administrator for over 25 years. Starting as a hobbyist in his teens, Scott quickly learned that he could translate his passion and knowledge into a full-time career. He currently works as the IT Manager for a high end audio and network systems integrator in northern California. He has written technology articles for various publications in the past and began contributing to ZDnet as a guest blogger on Jason Perlow's Tech Broiler. Scott and Jason met in New York in the 1990s where they co-managed the New York City Palm Pilot Users' Group.

In his spare time, Scott is a trained chef and avid bicycling enthusiast, as well as a voracious reader of historical, science and horror fiction. He is a huge fan of pop culture, with a wide range of interest in TV shows, movies and games.

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RE: Downgrading Your Computer--Less is More, More or Less
johnny48 18th Oct
@johnny48 Very nice Site number one topic Thanks you..
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I'm not interested in saving money. I want all the bells and whistles,i want super fast i want a computer that i know will handle the jobs i throw at it. Go publish this article at the AARP web site, they will be more interested in what you have to say.I love dual monitors i lover having more then enough ram because i remember just how slow computers were and i am not going backwards there no reason too.
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For some reason.....
Userama 19th Aug 2010
you remind me of Tim (The Toolman) Taylor, Stan.
(Makes that "motor-revving" sound.)
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@Userama No it was a gorilla sound...but yes I'm with him bring on the power. But I do photo editing and coding as well as playing so I would be hit.
@Userama Thanks for the information. This is a wonderful post!!
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@Stan57
Hmm, up to you, just remember that if your cpu and/or memory is running at less than 100% you've paid for capacity you're never going to use.
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happyharry_z 19th Aug 2010
@AndyPagin If your computer is running at 100% you have not purchased enough. 80% consistent utilization leaves 20% for spiking that normally occurs, but even 20% is usually not enough to smoothly handle the spikes.
@AndyPagin That's like saying if your not driving your car at full speed you've paid for power you're never going to use. Sometimes you need a little headroom for a quick getaway.
@AndyPagin If your CPU says 100%, that doesn't mean what you think, what it means is that 100% of requests to the CPU are left waiting/queued. If your CPU is 0% that doesn't mean nothing is happening, it means any requests to cpu are getting processed imediately, nothing is blocking. For ram if you have 100% utilization, that means that it needs to start swapping to disk, causing your system to run slower.

The replies to your post are also misleading, if you guys read up on how CPU, load averages and IO work you'll start to understand what the cpu percentage really means.
@Stan57 I laughed my butt off when I read your headline! I feel exactly the same way.

@AndyPagin: "capacity you're never going to use"?? Read some posts from 2000, when people thought 1 gig of ram and a 250 gig HD were total overkill. It's never a good idea to buy "just enough", as you'll outgrow that computer in a few years. Just surfing the web requires more and more power every year as sites continue to use more graphics and animation. It's better to overbuy to ensure that you get your money's worth out it several years down the road.
@ddferrari I would suggest that you are ignoring Moore's law - and buying excess capacity today for use tomorrow is more expensive than successive upgrades.

Remember how EXPENSIVE hardware is when it first comes out? It gets cheaper later. And faster. So, if you buy the latest, greatest CPU, HD, etc whatever today - (and are an under-utilizer) You're paying top dollar for no reason - Better to stay with trailing-edge instead of (b)leading-edge tech.
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RE: Downgrading Your Computer--Less is More, More or Less
ItsTheBottomLine Updated - 19th Aug 2010
@Stan57 I have to agree. I have two 22" Samsung monitors I LOVE it. My main workstation is my baby Win7 Pro, Intel i7-920 with 8Gig of RAM and dual nVidia in SLI mode, 4 SATA drives giving me about 1.5 terrabytes. This is my Photoshop workstation. I have a Windows 2003 Server and A linux server ON ALL THE TIME...and my kids Win7 machines are on but go into sleep mode after they have backed up. I have a job (Thank God) and it pays well and I want to have my computer available. So pay for the power. Simple enough, if that were an issue than I would lower my standards. My personal laptop that I used to play with runs Kubuntu on a i3 with 4 Gig of RAM, and it's on but goes into sleep mode. (battery sucks it was a cheapy Acer 17" screen) but the power software on it has issues, and does not work nor does the screen dimmer software with Kubuntu. So I have been searching for a fix (one the crapped out the machine), but it's just a play machine, that I reformat.
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RE: Downgrading Your Computer--Less is More, More or Less
twaynesdomain Updated - 19th Aug 2010
@Stan57 : But that's you, Stan. I can't afford all that and I don't believe in two things you apparently do: 1. Upgrades that don't benefit me are wasted money and time; and 2. Progress for the sake of progress.
If it does the job I want in the way I want it and in reasonable timeframes (as in, if it does take tiime I can still go do something else worthwhile), then I'm fine. If a feature pops up that I can see I could actually make use of or it increases my productivity tangibly, then I'll consider it seriously and it might make sense to upgrade.
I wsh you lots of luck; I just wanted to speak for the other side of the coin; since I'm not in the business of playing with toys I need the established reliability and repeatabiility of my current setup.

What do you do with your old machines and software? Just curious. I created a hardware firewall and a home network with mine but I still have some leftovers I should give away to some organization, I suppose.
@twaynesdomain
As a suggestion, install linux (Mint!) on your old machine(s) and donate them to your local church/school/library. If you have used the HD's to store anything you don't want to be seen, make sure you use a decent wipe program before handing it over. See:
http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/06/how-to-securely-erase-hard-disk-before.html
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@Stan57:
These days one can customize the tool to efficiently satisfy a wide range of requirements as well as achieve lower power consumption and provide greater economic value.

You are still living in the days of merely being a tool. It's not surprising that so much has gone right by you unnoticed.

BTW, I once worked on systems with multiple-microsecond instruction cycle times, you PC-centric world view is very quaint, even childlike.
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@Stan57
Stan I used to believe that now I have 20,000 in consumer debt. Some time people need to grow up and live with their means.
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@Stan57
I'm with you brother! (tarzan yell!).

You can never have enough power! Specially in my field of work. 3d and 2d high resolution graphics. If I ever have to wait for anything, then my computer isn't powerful enough. I want to be able to render 3 million polygons, with 20 lights, in 20 seconds or less!
@Stan57

Don't forget those of us who have been members of AARP for a quarter century (and many of who and many of whom are just as tech savvy as the next person) are the ones who developed the technology that lets you be what you are. Don't be ageist. Your joints will ache one of these days, too.
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The reality, as seen by this AARP eligible (non-member), is that you don't always need to upgrade to keep up, and upgrades are required less frequently than they were 5 or 10 years ago.

My 2 core desktops at home and at work with their 4 GB and 8 GB of ram are still OK even though they are getting pretty old. I probably WILL upgrade both this year, but I am still humming Win 7 and Server 2008 R2 on them rather nicely.

My little netbook is useful and cheap. Our phones are pretty powerful these days too. So even tech junkies can slow their upgrade processes these days. But "downgrade" is a silly concept.
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Instead of buying lowered powered equipment...
adaltrude Updated - 19th Aug 2010
Why not just under clock your hardware? They'll use less power and less heat.

Alternatively, I know there are a couple manufacturers that offer software to do this (Gigabyte Dynamic Energy Saver is an a perfect example).

As an alternative to your 6 hard drives in a RAID6, you could have saved money on the $160 downgrade and purchased some nice SSD (granted that'd cost a lot more than $160) which will give you a lot more performance and they'll use a lot less power.
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@adaltrude Also true. However, I was trying to be economical about it. I could also use fewer, larger-capacity drives as well to accomplish the same thing. Keep in mind, however, that hard drives actually have a very low wattage draw when idle - usually 0.2 to 0.5 watts per drive.
@Scott Raymond There is something you've not considered, the hassle of changing systems. If I have a "bigger than I need" system today, eventually that will turn into "smaller than I need". Moving from one system where everything works and is set up nicely to a brand spanking new one is a pain, and a hassle. Or to put it another way - there is a cost, that is my time. Now sure if I'm a gamer then that time is part of my hobby (but you weren't addressing gamers anyway). But if the computer is my livelihood then that time defiantly has a cost, and that should be considered. Also worth considering is computers have "bathtub" failure curves (they tend to break very early in the projected lives or right at the end) so replacing a system carries a risk. Given all this I try and replace my work system as infrequently as I can. So I buy something over specified to ward off that day when I have to replace it as long as possible. Seems to me under clocking isn't a bad idea, as it's reversible. Though to be honest the usual reason a system needs replacing is because it can't take anymore RAM rather than anything else.
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The joy of low-power computing
Starlionblue 19th Aug 2010
Great article.

Years ago, I decided that my systems would be quiet FIRST. Computing power has since been the secondary design requirement. I was tired of sitting next to what sounded like a small jet engine.

Water cooling was the only way to go really silent for a few few years, but of late air cooling has made enormous strides. You can buy (admittedly expensive) heatsink/fan combos that will decrease noise considerably. Heck, a modern stock Intel heatsink/fan isn't bad at all compared to a few years ago.

The other effect I noticed was lower power consumption. I play Starcraft II. Sure, it requires power, but by no means extreme power. I ripped out the two 3.5" drives in the system and replaced with an SSD for the system and a 2.5" laptop drive for storage. This improved noise considerably, saved some power and allowed me to buy a much smaller box for the next upgrade. I use costly fans and heatsinks but they move more air with less power and less noise.

My Media Center box has an SSD (low power), a fanless PSU, an old Core 2 Duo and a fanless 2000 series Radeon. Can't hear the thing, it uses a reasonable amount of power, but it can still easily run Media Center.

My server is actually an eight year old (!!!) Shuttle box that used to be my main system. It has an Athlon XP 1200 (remember those?) underclocked to 800 MHz (more savings). Apart from a few dustings and replaced fans, it has chugged along pretty much 24/7 for over half a decade. Inside temps are 45C; a mite high but since they are constantly at that level the wear is actually pretty low. The little box has outlasted several other systems I have had. It takes up minimal space on a shelf in the laundry room and uses very little power. I keep saying I'll replace it "next year". I've been saying that for three years now. I would love to keep the old girl but I have finally found an app that requires more than its CPU can dish out: Airvideo Server. The new box will be even more low-power with one SSD and one 2.5" HDD.
@Starlionblue
My killer apps are on two WinDoze machines. When I turn them off it goes deadly quiet, even though two Macs are still running.
@kenift

So then replace Windows with Linux. Oh wait, the noise is the hardware, which has nothing to do with Microsoft.
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davebarnes 19th Aug 2010
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@aep528 - Well Played!
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before commenting on it.

The noise you associate with Windows is not coming from the operating system, instead from inexpensive hardware that it is running on.

I have encounterd Macs that are noiser then systems running Windows, so logic would indicate that the operating system is irrelevant to the complaint.

Do the Macs that are running Windows become louder when doing so?

Hence the flaw in your logic.
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rarsa 29th Aug 2010
@aep528: I don't know why you brought Linux into the conversation. But It seems that you haven't used it.

Windows computers do more disk trashing plus Windows XP heats up the CPU faster so the fans are noisier. I still haven't played with Windows 7 enough to see if it is better so I won't comment there.

Thanks for bringing it up, though.
@Starlionblue Yes, Yes! Quiet systems for me have always been a priority both for laptops and desktops. Not a gamer but keep lots of apps open including media content creation which are disk and processor intensive. Never understood why people have accepted the jet engine noises of many systems. Switched to Macs 5 years ago because they are nearly silent unless the CPU is really stressed, which is not often. Last few years Intel Windows boxes have gotten a lot quieter, HP seems to have made that a priority. Will probably get a HP Desktop (I5 or I7) to complement my OS X hardware.
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@jjniss Get an HP Pavilion 380t. Super performance at a non-premium price and it's pretty quiet considering a core i7.
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A good story
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 19th Aug 2010
Folks,
This lust for power has gotten out of hand.
I am enjoying not having overheating issues with multi-core machinery and find an Acer Aspire One D260 is allowing me to do most if not all of my work.

It's an interesting point about Moore's law but the compiler technology lags far behind with no current means of taking advantage of parallelism so, you find for the most part that you'll be perfectly fine using a dual core verses a quad core and not see any deficits.

Naturally, these multi core processors can be harnessed to do 'heavy lifting' but for personal use, it has become overkill.

You can still get most apps to run on vintage equipment 5 years or more old and be productive.

This is an argument that turns up every so often, but when you sort out what the author has written, he is on target and I tend to agree with his point of view.

A lot of perfectly good equipment goes on the slag heap when it could be put to a good use.

When you have equipment you plan to throw away, consider giving it to a friend or member of family that is in need or find a local charity that is accepting used PC equipment.

Less is more. Thanks Scott.
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Not so fast
Tim Patterson 19th Aug 2010
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate

My Aspire One is great when I'm on the go but it is limited when it comes to what it can reasonably do.

Many FOSS media apps (DVDRip, grip, etc...) can run multi-threaded. I can assign these apps to use multiple cores and thereby making the box far more productive.

But to really take advantage of multiple cores one should definitely run GNU/Linux with a smp kernel (default with most distros on multi-core)
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Take a look in system monitor. How many cores to you see?
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 19th Aug 2010
@Tim Patterson
"Naturally, these multi core processors can be harnessed to do 'heavy lifting' but for personal use, it has become overkill."

It shows two and I am using 32-bit SMP Ubuntu.
But, yes, you are technically correct. I am not doing heavy lifting with a Netbook. But still, running both a base system of Ubuntu with Virtual Windows VMs is not putting any strain on the processor either.

These netbooks are incredibly useful/versatile devices and offer much more than an iPad ever will.
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Another way to conserve power:
Userama 19th Aug 2010
Don't run Flash apps.
(If you use a laptop, you know what I mean.)
Who cares how much power the system uses? Seriously.

I'm tired of the enviro-weenies pretending like there is some sort of energy crisis. We have no shortage of energy - thermo, solar, and we can make all the energy we could ever need through nuclear. There is no energy crisis.

I saw a commercial the other day that said recycling 2 cans saves enough energy to power your TV for 5 hours. Recycling takes energy, recycling adds additional labor, vehicles on the roads, sorting facilities, production facilities, etc... recycling takes a lot of energy and is oftentimes more wasteful than not recycling to begin with.

When it comes to a computer, I run a high end computer with dual video cards and 4 monitors, my electric bill is fine.

If we are concerned about saving $6/mo in electricity by downgrading our quality of living, maybe we should accept that we are monumental failures and shoot ourselves in the face.

What has this world come to?
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Just curious.
Userama 19th Aug 2010
@trance2tec
Do you drive a Hummer, too?
@Userama
I don't drive a Hummer, but I do drive a Suburban which I need to pull my boat, camper, utility trailer, and for trips out west. I consume as much gasoline as I can afford in order to 1) make my life better, and 2) use as much fossil fuel as possible so we run out faster and will therefore find a better alternative faster. Need is the mother of invention, and until we truly "need" to no longer use fossil fuel, which we really don't yet, there will not be a large enough push to find the alternative to gasoline. So, I am doing my part to hasten the solution.
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Hummer?? A bit knee-jerk, isn't it?
ddferrari 19th Aug 2010
@Userama : trance2tec hit the nail right on the head. Seriously, I'm not about to downgrade the very toy I've been trying to upgrade for years to save a couple bucks. There are lots of ways to save power on a noticeable level, and starting with a device with almost no moving parts isn't the place. That's like repairing the pinhole leak in a boat while there's a gaping hole in the hull.

Ultra-environmentalists need to pick their battles more wisely- attack the big and obviously wasteful things first. But don't waste my time, for example, asking me to buy an efficient cell phone charger for $30 that'll save me $2 a year... plus what happens to the old one? Perhaps I should start breathing slower too, to reduce my Co 2 output. Ain't gonna happen.
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@umlguy@...I'm jealous. I'm too cheap to but the Suburban...love them. GREAT vehicles.
@trance2tec

Well, maybe $6 is not much but multiply that by millions and hundred of millions of users and you have a substantial "saving" in energy consumption worldwide.
With all due respect it is that kind of narrow thinking that often puts our society in jeopardy.

Now saying that there is no energy-crisis: were have you been or on which alien planet have you been living?
Are you THAT isolated from (and above) the rest of humanity?
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@patbot
The crisis is man-made. There is no real shortage of energy, the shortage is based on artificial restrictions on our ability to access and utilize what we need due to anti-free-market radicals masquerading as environmentalists and using bogus data to buttress their case.
@trance2tec
"What has this world come to? "

A percentage of it, so it seems, are irresponsible, self-focussed, "I don't care about you" polluters who feel that they don't have to pick up their own trash, be responsible for waste and leave the world worse off for their kids. Now that's my conservative viewpoint on this - I'm no "enviro-weeny". I just want you to be as responsible for the clean up of your selfish attitude.
@myles@... There's no reason we can't find a tech solution to pollution so everyone can do what they want.
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frgough 19th Aug 2010
Capitalist societies have the cleanest environments on the planet. The idea that consumption leads to horrific pollution is a lie you have been fed to get you to accept some liberal telling you how to live your life.
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LTV10 28th Dec 2010
Capitalist societies have the cleanest environments on the planet. The idea that consumption leads to horrific pollution is a lie you have been fed to get you to accept some liberal telling you how to live your life.

Tell China and India that. Or are they not capitalist...
@trance2tec

"Who cares how much power the system uses? Seriously"

Well your six dollars a month isn't really a concern but a business or a server farm running 500 systems at 6 dollars a month in just power consumption and then costs of cooling the extra heat produced by consuming that much power and even those in a small room where the heat produced by a less efficient larger system could make them also have to run a larger fan or an air conditioning unit in that room to make it comfortable enough to work in, etc. There are plenty of reasons why how much energy your system uses despite your need to rail on people who have their own concerns. As well as the fact that this article was more about the upfront costs of purchasing a large system that does far more than you need it to do. Likely you have no desire to do so and frankly that's fine, he even pointed out that there are people who would suffer from a downgrade, but everyone is not you.
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More please ... no I meant less ...
johnfenjackson@... 19th Aug 2010
More articles of this ilk please i.e. matching actual customer requirements with products ... rather than following vendor marketing like a sheep.

Even better would be designing products to maximise customer value ... but this has never been the target for vendors (who want to maximise revenue!).

Lacking this perhaps Tech Broiler/TR Dojo could have a series of articles on how to configure technology for maximum consumer benefit.

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