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For The First Time in Ages, I Agree With Apple

By | November 24, 2009, 1:26pm PST

Summary: Is this how you work? Then don’t get angry at your OEM when they invalidate your warranty when you send your PC in for service. Yesterday our own Apple Core blogger Jason O’Grady reported that Apple has now adopted a policy of voiding warrantees on equipment if it has been exposed to smoke. Needless to say [...]

Is this how you work? Then don’t get angry at your OEM when they invalidate your warranty when you send your PC in for service.

Yesterday our own Apple Core blogger Jason O’Grady reported that Apple has now adopted a policy of voiding warrantees on equipment if it has been exposed to smoke. Needless to say the smokers have been angry.

To Apple, I say this: I agree with you, and I think every single hardware OEM and consumer electronics company should follow suit.

To the smokers, I say tough noogies, take your rotten cancer sticks with you and please swallow a truckload of Altoids down your creosote reeking maw before you get in close proximity of me, or I will throw up in your face.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

There are those that feel that once you purchase a computer you should be able to do anything you want with it. Fair enough. But that doesn’t mean you should abuse the the heck out of it and expect an OEM to honor a warranty or accidental damage coverage.

Back in August I wrote two stories about a HP laptop that I had been using which incurred damage due to “Mishandling”. The first of which was me venting my anger at Hewlett Packard for holding the laptop hostage and refusing to honor the warranty and the second of which was an explanation of how the issue got resolved and an education on Accidental Damage coverage at various OEMs.

As far as I can tell from my previous research on the subject, Apple is the strictest of the OEMs when it comes to its policies on accidents or abuse of equipment. Its Applecare program doesn’t even offer the same type of ADC that HP, Lenovo or Dell has, as far as guaranteeing against drops or screen cracks or anything of the sort that falls out of the range of normal equipment failure.

Apple should definitely offer this type of additional insurance to buyers, considering those folks who travel often and may put their laptops or other systems at risk due to the sheer chance of it getting klunked around in the Rapiscan, in an aircraft overhead bin or by a mishandling by a TSA gorilla during a random inspection. These sort of things do happen, through no fault of our own.

However, as it relates to smoke damage, the company should have no mercy. As someone who has had to repair and maintain systems owned by chain smokers, I applaud what Apple is doing, and I think that every single vendor of systems equipment as well as consumer electronics should follow suit.

[UPDATED for clarification] I’ll take Apple’s objections over warranty coverage — which is refusing to have their technicians work on smoke-exposed equipment due to Nicotine contamination concerns one step further. In my opinion, smoking next to a computer constitutes severe abuse of the equipment and if manufacturers continue to allow warranties to stand on systems which are sent in with smoke damage, then the costs of damage coverage is going to continue to be high and will rise for those of us who are non-smokers.

It costs OEMs money to replace those parts and perform the labor to clean out those gummed up filthy systems and those costs filter down to the consumer, whether they smoke or not. Not to mention run the risk of exposing their workers to the horrible gunk when they work on these machines and having to pay much higher insurance premiums on their health care plans.

Don’t like this? Well, alternatively, if you smoke, your ADC insurance should be significantly higher than those of us who don’t, just like it is for health and life insurance.

Sure you have the right to abuse your computer. But don’t expect the OEM to honor any replacement or warranty repairs if you do.

Should Apple and other OEMs void warranties of systems with evidence of smoke damage or require more expensive ADC plans for smokers? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

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  • Spiders and dust on a slippery slope
    Worst inside of a computer I've ever seen was a spider infestation. Must have been a million of them. But what I wonder is where does voiding the warranty stop?

    A generic abuse statement may not be sufficient in the world of EULA's. When the limits are not defined the power is in the hands of the manufacturer. Will they reject repairs if the computer is dusty? If I load Ubuntu as a boot option, will that void the warranty?

    A clearly defined line is important in cases like this.
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    jcschweitzer
    24th Nov 2009
  • Agreed
    Unless there is a demonstrable link between the environmental condition and the failure, there is no valid basis for voiding the warranty. A blanket escape for evidence of environmental conditions under normal use is ripe for abuse.

    One possible solution would be for there to be a required maintenance (cleaning) schedule to keep an extended warranty, just the same way oil changes are required to keep warranties on cars.
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    Lester Young
    24th Nov 2009
  • Agreed again...
    If I find rat turds in the cabinet, I'm repulsed but that alone shouldn't void a warranty. Rat pee on a PC board certainly should. It's a matter of being reasonable and assigning responsibility where it belongs. Is a failure due to hardware/software failure or external cause over which the manufacturer has no control? Smoke deposits in non-critical areas should not be a problem. Smoke deposits in the hard drive definitely is.
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    becabill
    25th Nov 2009
  • Partly computer damage - partly toxin exposure
    The warranties were revoked only partly due to equipment abuse by exposure to secondhand smoke, which leaves a sticky yellow film on everything. Apple also cited the fact that the sticky yellow film coating the equipment contains a class 3 carcinogen and other hazardous toxic substances, which their employees should not be forced to handle.

    Having been in the situation of working on equipment smokers used, I completely agree with Apple. The nastiness of touching equipment abused like that goes beyond disgusting to the realm of actually dangerous. That secondhand smoke film builds up over time, increasing the level of toxicity. I do agree that open-ended exceptions in warranty wording could be abused, but in this case, the company is fully justified in declining to work on that equipment because it constitutes a legitimate health risk to those who touch it.
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    BillDem
    25th Nov 2009
  • Totally Agree
    I worked as an Electronics repair technician when I first got out of the Navy and the equipment that came in for repair that belonged to smokers had a brown sticky film all over them. I hated to touch these items but was forced to. I would clean them before doing anything and the crap that came off was really nasty. I can only imagine what it does to someone's lungs.

    But irregardless, back some 20 years ago, we did have to honor the warranties. In today's world, with the dangers of smoking much more widely published, I think that the only way for this to work would be to notify the end user up front, that if the equipment is exposed to any sort of pollutants, including smoke, the warranty will be voided. This puts the equipment care upon the end user. Which is where it belongs. I personally, take great care of my equipment for that very reason. If I damage my equipment by my any sort of abuse or mis-use, I cannot expect the manufacturer to honor the warranty.

    While I agree with Apple on this, I would have to say that a policy of providing the end user upfront about warranty stipulations must be implemented.
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    max.bennett@...
    30th Nov 2009
  • Is there any REAL science behind this?
    Or is it just another global warning fiasco to jerk us around and grab our money for another computer. 2nd hand smoke has little real lasting effect on most people. Coughs or something but cancer, probably would have gotten it anyway
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    RoutyRastus
    26th Nov 2009
  • Proven time and time again
    2nd hand smoke has been proven time and time again to have harmful effects on those in close proximity; don't compare this with global warming, it's like comparing apples (no pun intended) to oranges.

    I've worked on computers for 11 years now, and I know very well when an owner has been smoking near their computer (or someone else in the residence). Once you turn on the computer, if indeed it starts, the smell radiates from the power supply fan...really nasty and disgusting!
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    BytetheBit
    26th Nov 2009
  • RE:Proven time and time again
    Climate studies, over 1000 of them, have been peer reviewed and published in top tier journals. When you think peer review, think night of the long knives. Could you cite a couple of relevant studies re:second hand smoke, say about three of them. Otherwise your claim rises to the level of at best,an unfounded assertion
    ZDNet Gravatar
    joe6pack_z
    26th Nov 2009
  • Grow up my child
    I was repairing computers before you were born. You ever work on a McDonald's computer that dripped grease? A Holiday Inn unit with a rats nest in it? I could go on and on. It wasn't that long ago that people could smoke in the office and I do not remember any warranties voided. Just one more excuse to blame someone else for their crappy foreign workmanship that put Americans out of work. Yes I am a smoker When they raise the rates for fat SOB's health insurance and computer contracts for crumbs or Snickers Bars mess on the equipment I'll feel it might be worth reviewing.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    sfaid
    30th Nov 2009
  • Just Spend A Few Minutes With Google
    and get educated. For examples, after one try for a search on "secondhand smoke health effects" in the top ten results:

    http://www.who.int/features/factfiles/tobacco/en/index.html

    http://www1.umn.edu/perio/tobacco/secondhandsmoke.html

    http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ped/content/ped_10_2x_secondhand_smoke-clean_indoor_air.asp

    Yes, absolutely, the longterm health effects of secondhand smoke are debilitating (such as asthma and COPD) and lethal (heart disease, cancers, and leukemias).
    ZDNet Gravatar
    Cardhu
    26th Nov 2009
  • I'm sure your links are correct BUT
    We all know its a dirty habit is there any proof
    that secondhand smoke damages electronic
    components, cables, plastic/metal boxes if there
    is show me, as I suspect you can't manufacturers
    shouldn't be able to blame faulty components
    assembly process on whether I smoke or not.
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    ascompltd
    2nd Dec 2009
  • There Is A Post In This Forum
    that describes exactly what cigarette smoke residue does to the insides of computers - coating everything with a sticky tarry carcinogenic film that clogs drive vents and USB ports and holds dust so firmly that it cannot be cleaned out without using a solvent instead of a simple blast of pressurized air.

    If a user were to release vaporized super glue or contact cement inside of their computer, no reasonable mind would pause to say, "That's not very smart and the warranty is now void." But that is exactly what smokers do every day with air cooled electronics.

    And they do so a layer at a time: Tar, dust; tar, dust; tar, dust ...
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    Cardhu
    2nd Dec 2009
  • Fiasco of the denials
    just another global warning fiasco to jerk us around

    Did you really want to make such an ignorant post trying to sound
    cool and hip? have you just read about the stolen emails and thought
    you were up to the minute? Or do you want to debunk something
    damaging to people you know?

    I've seen lots of arguments against global warming, they have all
    turned out to be lies.

    There's 30 years of research into global warming and a general consensus by
    scientists that it is happening.

    There are some people who want it to be disproved and a lot of vested
    interests paying people to claim it isn't happening.

    The whole thing is somewhat like the cigarettes causing cancer debate, with
    the cigarette companies trying to deny the research they knew was true.
    Funny you should mention them together as if the global warming science is
    false?

    There was also the same lies and denials over the hole in the ozone layer -
    see the latest NASA images.

    See Mythbusters for the simplest demonstration of how CO2 global
    warming works.

    If you can't follow that you shouldn't be near a keyboard.

    Coughs or something but cancer, probably would have gotten it
    anyway


    No - it's really dangerous

    In this country there's quite a bit of evidence and some successful
    legal cases.

    What makes you think that the smoke from the unfiltered end of a
    cigarette would be less harmful than the smoke from the filtered end?
    That's just illogical.

    But you seem to be the sort of person who believes the corporate spin
    designed to avoid companies being held responsible for pollution.

    To summarise in case you don't get it:
    CO2 increase in the atmosphere causes the atmosphere to hold more
    heat in. This is easy to test scientifically.

    Small particles such as smoke from cigarettes, and those from diesel
    vehicles etc are bad for your respiratory system. This is true if you are
    the smoker or just near enough to get some of those particles into your
    airways.

    In fact some substances that are not toxic or carcinogenic in liquid form
    become toxic or carcinogenic in particulate form, and the smaller the
    particle the more likely this is to be. The change in chemical nature of
    substance when it is turned into a particulate is a growing research area.
    This sort of change in chemistry was even responsible for an airliner
    crashing many years ago, when the non-flammable hydraulic fluid got
    atomised and caught alight.

    Burning many compounds including those in tobacco creates
    carcinogens that can be absorbed by the lungs. These carcinogens go
    out both ends of a cigarette, although some, such as tar get reduced by the
    filter at the smoker's end. The second hand smoker doesn't get the
    benefit of the filter.

    Nicotine is a carcinogen that is produced from both ends, and also
    coats the room, the computers, the furniture and the lungs of the
    other people in the room. Along with that nicotine are many
    compunds of which quite a few are also carcinogenic, but I will
    concentrate on Nicotine since I know a bit more about it.

    Nicotine is a DNA splitter. If nicotine happens to interact with a long
    DNA strand it will split it causing a replication error. If the replication
    error does not get corrected and is in a bad place then a cancer cell
    will be created, which may then replicate. So if you get nicotine into
    your body you are now in a lottery which may result in cancer. The
    more nicotine you absorb, the more cancer lottery tickets you have.

    The reason some people can smoke and die from other things first is that
    they have not yet won that cancer lottery, or they have won but the cancer
    they have won is not dangerous enough, or is not grown enough.

    So you may know of many people who have smoked all their lives and not
    got cancer and thought this was some kind of scientific disproof, but it is
    just probability. Same goes for second hand smoke, I have a high exposure
    and so far no cancer that I know of, but that doesn't mean that I am safe,
    nor does it mean that the next exposure to smoke won't be the 'lucky
    winning entry'.

    Nicotine absorbed by the skin is less risky as you don't get it directly
    into the lungs where it is most effective at getting at your DNA.

    Nicotine absorbed by the skin is still effective in other ways, which is why
    Nicotine patches are replacements for cigarettes.

    The oily substance left on everything around the smoker, including
    the computer that the service tech is handling, contains not only
    nicotine but many of those other compounds that are carcinogenic.
    These are also absorbed by the skin. The oily substance is also passed
    from the fingers to other places, which in most cases includes the
    mouth, where it can cause mouth cancer. and also will get passed to
    the gut where more of it will get absorbed.

    Tobacco is not just carcinogenic when burned, there are carcinogens
    in it (such as nicotine) that will cause cancer if chewed. When chewing
    tobacco was common there were many people who lost their jaws to
    mouth cancer.

    Chewing does not release the particles as a fine dust that spreads
    though, so second hand chewing cancer was not common.

    Burning something is an ideal way to release a fine mist of particles
    and if you were turning tobacco into a weapon and you needed a way
    to distribute it then you would burn it.

    Which is what smokers do they distribute in a fairly ideal way a high
    quantity of the tobacco poison to the people around them by burning
    it, producing a fine particulate cloud that spreads easily to be inhaled
    by the people around them.

    And the minimum number of those particles required to cause cancer?
    1

    The chances are low with one, but each one after that increases the
    probability.

    So next time you are near a smoker just ask yourself, Are you feeling lucky?

    Wanna buy a glacier? They're going cheap.
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    richardw66
    3rd Dec 2009
  • I sort of agree.
    The warentee is meant to cover hardware failure without abuse unless otherwise specified.

    If you want to use equipment in conditions that will trash it that is your option but I wouldn't cover it.
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    deowll
    25th Nov 2009
  • Unreasonable, from any angle
    "Apple should definitely offer this type of additional insurance
    to buyers, considering those folks who travel often and may
    put their laptops or other systems at risk due to the sheer
    chance of it getting klunked around in the Rapiscan, in an
    aircraft overhead bin or by a mishandling by a TSA gorilla
    during a random inspection. These sort of things do happen,
    through no fault of our own."

    OK, if you mean additional insurance at additional cost to the
    buyer. Otherwise, why should any manufacturer take on the
    burden of such damage through no fault of THEIR own? In fact,
    good homeowners or renters insurance covering personal
    property would be a far more reasonable solution. If you travel
    extensively, exposing your possessions to greater risk of
    damage or loss, you should pay more premiums to insure such
    risk. There is no justification for non-travelers to pay more for
    laptops or insurance/warranty coverage when they are not
    exposed to such increased risk.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    frabjous
    25th Nov 2009

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