Tech Broiler

Jason Perlow and Scott Raymond

HP's Slate was an Ugly Baby with Windows 7

By | April 29, 2010, 8:12pm PDT

Summary: Hewlett-Packard purchased Palm for one reason: compared to iPad, Windows 7 made their Slate look like an Ugly Baby.

Hewlett-Packard purchased Palm for one reason: compared to iPad, Windows 7 made their Slate look like an Ugly Baby. (Baby photo from VintagePixels.com)

There’s been quite a bit of speculation lately about why HP, which was never really considered to be a serious Palm suitor by the digital weberati decided to consummate a marriage to the tune of $1.2 billion with the ailing smartphone vendor.

My friend and colleague David Gewirtz at ZDNet Government talks about the sordid, painful history of Palm as a company and what the possible value proposition — if any — remains with Palm’s assets for Hewlett-Packard. He doesn’t seem to think there’s much there to salvage or understand the logic behind the purchase, but I’m going to try to make some sense of the entire thing.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

Let us start with a story of two tablet computers: The HP Slate and the iPad.

The road towards Palm for Hewlett-Packard probably started about a year ago, when the first rumors of an Apple Tablet began to emerge from the nether regions of Silicon Valley. Not to be outmaneuvered by Apple in the consumer space, HP almost certainly began developing the current Slate hardware on a crash program, believing they could have a compelling product ready to sell in early 2010.

Taking stock of the technologies that HP had available, the company quickly decided to base its tablet on an the Intel Atom, not unlike the core of what exists in their existing netbook product line.

This decision to re-use netbook x86 technology in the Slate would allow the company to accelerate development without having to design an entirely new hardware platform for their tablet, and would give them the ability to run a wide range of software on the device without resorting to specialized embedded ARM-based designs.

After all, HP had done ARM-based products before, such as their early Jornada Windows CE-based “HPC Pros”, and they failed miserably. That business, as well as the labs and development for those devices, had long been shuttered.

Fast forward to January 6, 2010. HP enlists Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to show off their Slate design at the Consumer Electronics Show, wowing the crowd with its technology and its full-blown Windows 7 OS. Had that been the only significant tablet announcement in 2010, things may have been peachy.

Three weeks later, at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco, Apple CEO Steve Jobs announces the iPad. And then everything changed.

Suddenly, compared to the iPad, the HP Slate is starting to look downright clunky. The Slate, sporting a WSVGA display with a 1.6Ghz Intel chip and 5 hours of total battery life per charge, is completely upstaged by the much more agile Apple iPad, with 10 hours of battery life, a higher resolution XGA screen and ultra-responsive and low-power A4 custom ARMv8-based System on a Chip (SoC) silicon.

Internal HP Slate pre-launch PowerPoint slide detailing the iPad “Threat”. (Source: AOL/Engadget)

As if the sleeker and more innovative hardware wasn’t a knockout punch in and of itself, the efficient iPhone OS on the iPad — given a meager 256MB of main memory — still manages to run circles around Windows 7, which due to its full PC roots is highly resource constrained in a whopping 1GB RAM.

To add insult to injury, the Slate’s Wireless-G 54Mb networking is nearly six times slower and far less powerful in terms of signal strength than iPad’s 300Mb Wireless-N when running in native modes.

Sure, the Slate has two built-in cameras, USB ports and SD expansion, which the iPad lacks, but compared to Apple’s software ecosystem, incredible sex appeal and superior marketing savvy, they might as well not even be there.

And with 2,500+ optimized apps at launch, along with 150,000 apps for iPhone in the App Store, accompanied by a massive library of digital media from iTunes which can be installed with a simple click of a button, Windows 7 — Microsoft’s flagship OS for PCs — very much starts to look like chopped liver as a tablet contender.

As evidenced by the leaked pre-launch PowerPoint slide above, HP knew that compared to the iPad, their baby was ugly.

What to do, what to do.

HP probably thought they could launch the Slate as-is, hoping to attract the PC geek market segment to the device. They may very well still, in order to make some short term profits. But long term, Windows 7 wasn’t going to cut it, and they knew it. And they weren’t about to jump into the Windows Phone 7 fray and port/adapt an unreleased, unproven embedded OS to hardware they already developed.

HP could port Google’s Android to the x86 tablet, but then there would almost certainly be developer and application porting issues when dealing with CPU architecture differences — Android was designed to run on ARM-based systems, like the iPad.

And after its PC arch enemy, Dell Computer, announced its upcoming fleet of ARM-based Android devices, it knew it had to do something to differentiate — especially after HTC, one of the prime manufacturers of Android phones had just been dinged by Apple with a lawsuit.

What do you do with a lemon? You make lemonade. And Palm was the sugar that HP needed, at the price it was willing to pay, in order to solve that problem on its Slate.

The smartphone stuff was just a bonus, although I’m not entirely convinced HP is ever going to be a serious contender in the smartphone marketplace with WebOS. It’s too much of an uphill battle and the market is completely saturated. As I have said before, Darwinism will eliminate the weaker players in the smartphone ecosystem soon enough.

With the acquisition also HP inherits Palm’s developers, which at this point, unlike those who are reaping the benefits of Android and iPhone OS have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Unlike Android, WebOS doesn’t have the downside of already having a huge developer ecosystem which would revolt if they had to port their applications over to the new x86 architecture and run a totally separate development environment for it.

As it turns out, and quite fortunate for HP, the WebOS UI and API stack — which uses Linux as its kernel and driver core and is already netbook compatible — can be ported to x86 quite easily.

The existing WebOS application base of 1500+ programs, while not huge, will run pretty much as-is with some simple re-packaging and screen optimization, because the apps are all written in the lingua franca of the Web, HTML and Javascript, and are completely CPU platform neutral.

This means that the existing Slate design can be used as transitional hardware if HP eventually decides it wants to join the less power-hungry ARM tablet world along with Dell and Apple, without significantly disrupting its developer base.

And unlike Windows 7, which requires manual software installations just like a PC, Palm has an App Catalog, much like Android’s Market or Apple’s App Store, which will allow applications to install with a simple click of a button.

Provided that HP can figure out how to entice developers to build WebOS tablet apps, the agile and multi-tasking WebOS with its innovative UI might actually make some headway versus the iPad.

And unlike Windows 7, which is stressed on 1GB of RAM on a 1.6Ghz Atom, the hardware specs on the Slate are actually quite generous for WebOS to run in, which was designed to operate speedily in 25 percent of the device’s memory on the original 256MB Palm Pre, with only a 600Mhz ARM.

On the Slate, WebOS should easily match performance of the iPad, and with its apps written with open Web standards, should allow for rapid application development if HP manages not to screw up a huge opportunity and is able improve Palm’s developer program.

Given some accelerated development, and some fancy footwork on integrating Palm into HP’s corporate culture, we may very well see a WebOS-powered derivative of the Slate by Fall of 2010.

And the ugly Windows 7 baby will become just a distant memory.

Disclaimer: I work for IBM, Hewlett-Packard’s largest competitor in the enterprise computing and technology consulting industries. IBM sold its Personal Computer division to Lenovo in 2004, no longer has a significant stake in the company, and no longer competes with HP in that industry or currently sells retail consumer electronics products.

The postings and opinions on this blog are my own and don’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions, strategies or opinions.

Kick off your day with ZDNet's daily e-mail newsletter. It's the freshest tech news and opinion, served hot. Get it.

Topics

Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet, is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies.

Disclosure

Jason Perlow

My Full-Time Employer is IBM. I write as a freelancer for ZDNet.

Disclaimer: The postings and opinions on this blog are my own and don't necessarily represent IBM's positions, strategies or opinions.

I own no investments or direct financial instruments in the companies I write about.

Biography

Jason Perlow

Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet is a technologist with over two decades of experience with integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. A long-time computer enthusiast starting the age of 13 with his first Apple ][ personal computer, he began his freelance writing career starting at ZD Sm@rt Reseller in 1996 and has since authored numerous guest columns for ZDNet Enterprise and Ziff-Davis Internet. Jason was previously Senior Technology Editor for Linux Magazine, where he wrote about Open Source issues from 1999 to 2008.

In his spare time, Jason is an avid amateur chef and food writer, where his work reviewing New Jersey restaurants has appeared in The New York Times. He is also the founder of the popular food web site eGullet and blogs about restaurants and cooking at OffTheBroiler.com.

254
Comments

Join the conversation!

Just In

RE: HP's Slate was an Ugly Baby with Windows 7
JACOBSONR 14th Oct
Good day to confirm this comment I would appreciate T h e b e s t o f Z D N e t d e l i v e r e d your website very nice to everyone Yes, Oracle is the only one with shared-disk architecture, but that is there advantage. It means you can add or remove nodes and the database lives on. In a shared nothing architecture, if you lose a node, you lose the system. I'm sure Oracle appreciates EMC highlighting their advantage.I also desire to signal in your RSS feeds. Thank you as soon as once again and maintain up the great operate Awesome post! Thank you very much || thanks for nice content this is really benefit to me.
0 Votes
+ -
The same ol' Linux ranting again?
LBiege Updated - 29th Apr 2010
Come on now, what's up with this lip stick over WebOS?

Even Google, the biggest "HTML5 is god and more" advocate, is skipping an H5 based ChromeOS and using Android instead to push their own CooglePad, which means HP could also save that 1.2B and use Android instead if they don't like Win7 in their slate. Android could fit in an X86 architecture easily.
0 Votes
+ -
That's like dinosaurs complaining about...
Henry Miller 30th Apr 2010
...the same ol' mammal ranting again.

A few decades ago, a sci-fi author named Keith Laumer proposed "Crmblznski's Limit:"

"That's where it says if you go beyond a certain
point with complications, you blow your transistors..."

Windows has reached that point--it has no where to go but down.
0 Votes
+ -
Another Laumer fan!
DNSB 2nd May 2010
Just remember "Is is not is not not".
0 Votes
+ -
And not-is is not is-not. (nt)
Henry Miller 2nd May 2010
..
Palm, they could have an Arm based device ready
very quickly, and it would be faster, use less
power, generate less heat, be cheaper to
manufacture, etc. If they want to embarrass
themselves with a Win7 Atom based tablet for
some short term profits, they can go for it.
Better wait for a WebOS Arm based tablet though.
0 Votes
+ -
Contributr
Not so sure about cheaper
jperlow 29th Apr 2010
HP has huge amounts of buying power with Intel. They get massive Atom quantity pricing, and they already have the netbook tooling in their manufacturing facilities.

They could certainly go in the ARM direction but then they'd need to start establishing better relationships with companies like HTC which would probably end up contract manufacturing the device as they did with the iPaqs, HP doesn't really deal with Qualcomm or TI or Freescale today.
batteries, bigger power supply, to get rid of
the heat, etc. A super efficient Arm with a
super efficient OS (WebOS) makes cheaper, and at
the same time sexier computer.
0 Votes
+ -
Contributr
HP has two options really
jperlow 30th Apr 2010
1) Continue to develop the Slate design using
Intel Atom technology and working closely with
Intel to simplify the support electronics and
minimize power usage. Launch a variant of the
Slate with WebOS in 6 months with an initial go
to market.

2) To abandon the current reference design and
move to ARM. However this would probably require
a contract outsourcing to a company like HTC,
which would build and design the hardware, using
HP's branding, like what was done with the iPaQ.

I think a case could be made for either. They
could also do both -- do step 1 as interim and
initial offering and in parallel, work on step
2.
But, if they release a dud Atom device that
makes them the laughing stock compared to iPad,
that will make it impossible to get anybody
interested in an HP tablet again. I think there
were more problems with the slate than Win7.
0 Votes
+ -
Not really
fireyouritguys 30th Apr 2010
The Atom n450 is superior to the n270 in both battery life and performance. Much to my surprise it was pretty happy running Win7 Pro in 1GB. I get about 5.5 hours hammering on the thing with streaming video. So I can see 8 hours with an Atom and WebOS, which brings you darn close to the iPad.

I think Android would be a better bet, but WebOS should be fine. Ubuntu Netbook Remix gives me about 6.5 hours, so 8 hours or more is very feasible.
0 Votes
+ -
How so?
Cylon Centurion 30th Apr 2010
Have you seen that cruddy apps that are available for WebOS? It's a laughing stock really.
Windows 7 into a tablet.
0 Votes
+ -
It's entirely possible
Cylon Centurion 30th Apr 2010
Seemed to run just fine when Steve demoed it back at CES.
performs magnificently, at the same time being
thin, light, cool to the touch, and giving over
10 hours battery life.
0 Votes
+ -
Not so sure about cheaper - Intel Strategy
pranavmdesai@... 30th Apr 2010
We shouldnt forget that Intel wants to be in this market as well. They are trying to come out with solutions that match and beat ARM. I am sure HP could leverage this as well. Afterall how difficult is it for someone like Intel to enter a market if it really put its head to it!
They need a cheaper, lighter, thinner, long
battery life tabled, NOW.
0 Votes
+ -
Contributr
Intel
jperlow 30th Apr 2010
Will almost certainly purchase an ARM player,
probably Marvell, which incidentally, they
manufacture under contract. Marvell used to be
Intel XScale.
manufacturers, and at the same time close the
power gap with Arm. But, I do not see Intel ever
being able to completely close the power gap
because of the overhead and complexity of the
x86 instruction set. I also do not see Intel
going back to manufacturing Arm, as there is not
so much differentiation, and Intel does not like
the margins in that kind of a world.
0 Votes
+ -
Contributr
Agreed.
jperlow 30th Apr 2010
They can move more components into the Atom core
to turn it into a SoC with integrated
controllers, but the legacy x86 overhead with
all those transistors to provide backwards
compatability is gonna nail them.

Frankly.. I would try to recoup my investment in
something like the Itanium architecture, as
nutty as that sounds, and try to make it work in
low power mode with a scaled down design. That,
or buy Marvell out and evolve their SoC designs.
0 Votes
+ -
Overhead of the x86 ISA?
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 30th Apr 2010
What overhead?

x86 has a BIG benefit over ARM - x86 has a FAR higher code density vs. ARM (and most other RISC ISA's). This allows x86 CPU's to read multiple instructions per memory read than ARM does.

This is why ARM defined THUMB and THUMB2 which are subsets of the full ARM ISA compressed into smaller bit-patterns requiring less space to store and access them.

THUMB2 is required in order to implement an OS due to THUMB v1's lack of certain important instructions requiring the OS to constantly switch between ARM and THUMB ISA's.

Even THUMB2 doesn't offer code density that's as good as x86 code.

Where x86 offers challenges is in decoding its more variable instructions. This requires more complex logic which means more transisters. However, Intel has the upper-hand here with its world-leading fabrication technologies potentially allowing it to drop core sizes to the point where their CPU's start to approach ARM's increasing power requirements.

ARM has major benefits in the relative simplicity of its cores requiring a lot less logic, but in doing so, they forego a lot of performance. There's a reason that iPads and iPhones offer little limited multi-tasking: offering full un-gated multitasking would typically result in your iPhone/iPad crawling to a halt. ARM's answer to this is to increase processing horsepower by increasing frequencies and increasing the number of cores per CPU, both of which increase poower demands considerably.

This game MOST CERTAINLY is not over yet - there's still A LOT to play for in this space.
0 Votes
+ -
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer proudly demonstrated the HP Slate running Windows 7. Now that HP has dumped Windows on the slate, it is a humiliation for Ballmer. But Microsoft has failed in portable devices, and the whole world is now dumping Windows for slates and smartphones, and moving to Android, iPad and webOS. Bye bye Microsoft... we don't want you in this market.
to drop though . . . . .
0 Votes
+ -
I do
Cylon Centurion 30th Apr 2010
I can't believe no one has developed a true tablet OS yet.


I ain't using no ****** smartphone operating system on a device capable of handling more.
0 Votes
+ -
It's a netbook without a keyboard
Cylon Centurion Updated - 30th Apr 2010
I ran Win7 fine on my netbook since the beta days. Ran fine, no heat issues, and battery life was plenty.
0 Votes
+ -
Care to disclose the battery? Surely it was not
at all close to over 10 hours we see on the
iPad. We are used to plugging in Laptops and
Netbooks because of their meager battery life.

But a device like an iPad (Tablet Form Factor)
is meant to be truly mobile, pick up, move
around without worrying about plugging in.
Battery life is key!
0 Votes
+ -
5 hours. Just like HP said the Slate would have.
Cylon Centurion 30th Apr 2010
NT
0 Votes
+ -
5 hours is dismal...
dave95. 30th Apr 2010
Like I mentioned, you don't want to have to
worry about constantly plugging in your tablet
device. Maybe that was part of the reason they
scraped the Slate(?). With Flash, Full Windows
and bloated software, it probably was more like
3 hours.
0 Votes
+ -
Bull
DeusExMachina Updated - 30th Apr 2010
You got 5 hours on your Win7 netbook decoding and displaying H.264 HD video? I highly doubt that.
The 10 hours stated by Apple was not just 10 hours doing nothing, it was 10 hours playing H.264. And independent testers have found that Apple's stated estimates were conservative.
0 Votes
+ -
it'll just be thicker and heavier because you'll be talking about at least a
6 cell battery to do so.
0 Votes
+ -
@DeusExMachina: Apple's viideo rendering is done in its GPU, not CPU
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 30th Apr 2010
What CPU is being used should have relatively little effect.

Apple have VERY carefully tuned the iPad for 10-hour battery scenario:

The screen is relatively small which makes the device lighter and cheaper but also requires a lot less power to run.

The GPU they have integrated into the SOC (CPU + GPU + Comms & IO support) oflloads all rendering tasks from the CPU.

There is little to stop Intel, AMD, Via and others from creating a low-power SOC with an embedded GPU capable of rendering video on-chip (whilst letting the CPU sleep). In fact, VIA have already done most of this.

Coupled with Intel's manufacturing capability, they could make such cores small, cheap and increasingly power efficient.

What holds PC's back in terms of matching or exceeding Apple's power profile is the need to adhere to the standard PC architecture.

However, I think we'll see this practice stop VERY quickly for mobile and portable devices. If you can build a single chip SOC containing power-efficient CPU, GPU, memory controller, USB, WiFi, Ethernet, Bluetooth, etc., which doesn't require PCI*, etc., then we'll start seeing x86 devices with VERY different cost, power and performance profiles.
0 Votes
+ -
@de-void
frgough 30th Apr 2010
Right, because we all know that the GPU runs off of pixie dust, so
shunting processes off to it magically increases battery life.
0 Votes
+ -
Your point being?
DeusExMachina Updated - 3rd May 2010
First of all, it is not about what intel COULD do it is about what they ARE
doing. As such, I fail to see the point you are making. I could just as
easily
say that IBM could use there nanotube switching technology along with
opto-electronics to make a netbook running at Cray speeds fo 3 days.

Second, what difference are you claiming is made by shunting the
processing of video off to the GPU. Are you claiming GPUs miraculously
consume no power?

Third, the iPad saves batteries by having a smaller screen than a ten
inch netbook? Math much?
0 Votes
+ -
Why?
0 Votes
+ -
I feel bad for you then
John Zern 30th Apr 2010
as it looks like the'll be in this market whether you like it or not.

Too bad for you, but hey, you can allways pray it doesn't outsell Linux like it did on netbooks... happy
0 Votes
+ -
As Jason said...
ubiquitous one 30th Apr 2010
...don't hold your breath...

as it looks like the'll be in this market whether you like it or not.
0 Votes
+ -
I find it funny that people that were so hyped up about the
HP Slate saying that it would demolish iPad because it has all
these "missing features" are now talking about that it makes
sense for HP to buy Palm and create a tablet based off of
WebOS. Jason, that goes for you also.
0 Votes
+ -
And lest we forget...
DNSB 2nd May 2010
There were those who were hyping the Microsoft Courier dual screen tablet. It was going to be the iPad killer. Now it seems as if Microsoft has killed the Courier instead.
0 Votes
+ -
So the Linux-based Android would have "porting issues" to the x86 architecture. But WebOS will port easily because "it's based on Linux." Oh really.

And, Apple's 150,000 iPhone apps is so much richer and deeper than the millions of Windows apps, whose catalog is now chopped liver in comparison. Where does that pure MacOS and desktop Linux? Recycled sewage compared to iPhone's app store?

And the 1,500 WebOS apps will put HP in a much better competitive position versus Apple than the millions of Windows apps.

Right. Let's make the facts fit the theory.
And not having the Android engineering team on board would cause HP to have issues when porting Android to x86.

Capice?
0 Votes
+ -
WebOS is already ported to x86
rboatright 30th Apr 2010
The webOS emulator that all webOS developers
test their apps on already runs on an x86
platform using x86 linux and x86 backends.

There's no development required.

And webOS is already resolution independent.
Porting webOS to an x86 product is literally a
matter of hours, doing the device driver
setups.

RBoatright
Webos-internals.org
0 Votes
+ -
Contributr
Ultimately
jperlow 30th Apr 2010
I would like to see WebOS open-sourced. HP could
make a ton of inroads by doing this.

If the complete WebOS environment (all the
applets, etc, not just the runtime environment)
is already ported to X86, Then I cant imagine a
product release cycle using the existing Slate
hardware to be more than 4 months if the
purchase of Palm can happen quickly. They'd need
to tweak the webcam stuff, but other than that,
I can't see what the obstacles would be.
0 Votes
+ -
WebOS Open Sourced? Ain't happening..!
Wolfie2K3 30th Apr 2010
HP just dropped 1.2 Billion dollars on buying Palm. So now they should turn around and just give it all away - without ever seeing a chance to recoup that investment...?

They may be crazy over there at HP, but not that INSANE...
0 Votes
+ -
Not Totally Loco
DannyO_0x98 30th Apr 2010
They pick up some additional maintainers at no cost. It gains a hip
cachet, perhaps in excess of the reality of the merits of the
development process.

HP has to figure it's in the business of selling devices, not licensing
operating systems. (Besides the os, they also spent money for the
engineers, brand, and ip portfolio.)

Completely open sourced WebOS? That doesn't make sense, because
then competitors could sell a similar user experience and HP doesn't
see any money for the privilege.

Proprietary/closed apis, exposed via SDK, that sit on top of an open
userland and kernel? That's the Apple formula and it made them some
money.
0 Votes
+ -
As a webOS user I can tell you of the 2,000 apps in the store about 1,500 of them are mindless trivia games. You should see how developers flood the app store daily with dozens of trivia games desperately trying to increase the app store count and make a quick buck off of a sucker.
"And, Apple's 150,000 iPhone apps is so much richer and deeper than the millions of Windows apps, whose catalog is now chopped liver in comparison. Where does that pure MacOS and desktop Linux? Recycled sewage compared to iPhone's app store?"

Palm puts out a phone and OS that nobody buys and few people develop for and somehow this OS is going to be more attractive to consumers than a Windows 7 tablet? Windows 7 is the most successful OS in history. MS has sold over 100M copies and it's the fastest selling OS they've ever released. Why would anyone be stupid enough to believe that there is any consumer demand for a webOS tablet?

webOS has about as much chance of selling a device as Linux does. Consumers have about equal interest in buying Linux computers as they have in buying webOS phones and tablets. This is a really dumb and insulting article. Hundreds of millions of people in this world depend upon Windows and Windows applications in their daily lives. There is a much bigger market for a Windows 7 tablet than there is for webOS.
0 Votes
+ -
Awesome!
Loverock Davidson 30th Apr 2010
You just effectively b-slapped Jason! I'm sure he doesn't like the facts you just pointed out to him.
0 Votes
+ -
Didn't mommy...
ubiquitous one 30th Apr 2010
...confine you to the basement today?

lol...
  • Flagged
Good day to confirm this comment I would appreciate T h e b e s t o f Z D N e t d e l i v e r e d your website very nice to everyone Yes, Oracle is the only one with shared-disk architecture, but that is there advantage. It means you can add or remove nodes and the database lives on. In a shared nothing architecture, if you lose a node, you lose the system. I'm sure Oracle appreciates EMC highlighting their advantage.I also desire to signal in your RSS feeds. Thank you as soon as once again and maintain up the great operate Awesome post! Thank you very much || thanks for nice content this is really benefit to me.

Join the conversation!

Formatting +
BB Codes - Note: HTML is not supported in forums
  • [b] Bold [/b]
  • [i] Italic [/i]
  • [u] Underline [/u]
  • [s] Strikethrough [/s]
  • [q] "Quote" [/q]
  • [ol][*] 1. Ordered List [/ol]
  • [ul][*] · Unordered List [/ul]
  • [pre] Preformat [/pre]
  • [quote] "Blockquote" [/quote]
ie8 fix

The best of ZDNet, delivered

ZDNet Newsletters

Get the best of ZDNet delivered straight to your inbox

Facebook Activity

White Papers, Webcasts, & Resources
ie8 fix