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Laptop Warranties and Accidental Damage Coverage: What You Need to Know

By | August 4, 2009, 8:53am PDT

Summary: Hewlett-Packard, after being flogged in public, contacted me and replaced my broken laptop that they had earlier claimed was accidentally damaged and not covered by their warranty. I appreciate HP’s willingness to rectify the issue, but there clearly needs to be some improvement on their part — as well as other vendors — in communicating [...]

Hewlett-Packard, after being flogged in public, contacted me and replaced my broken laptop that they had earlier claimed was accidentally damaged and not covered by their warranty. I appreciate HP’s willingness to rectify the issue, but there clearly needs to be some improvement on their part — as well as other vendors — in communicating what sort of items are covered under warranty and what is not.

It has been a few weeks since I told my tale of woe and broken laptop screens.

In summary, for those of you who missed it, my wife contacted me on my mobile while I was out shopping and told me the screen on my 13″ HP Elitebook was broken — she had adjusted the screen while using it in bed, and through some combination of pressure or torsion due to a slipped thumb, the substrate underneath the glass ruptured and the LCD was damaged. We contacted HP technical support, sent them a digital photograph of the broken screen, and the tech in India made the call to have us send it in as it was deemed to be a warranty repair and it would be no problem.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

A week or so later, I got a voicemail from HP’s national Service Center  that the broken screen was considered to be “Accidental Damage” and thus, not covered under warranty. I had the option of having the PC returned to me at my cost, $89.00, unrepaired, or I would have to pay $440.00 to have the screen replaced.

Suffice to say, this made me angry. VERY angry. I really don’t like surprises like that, especially when a vendor backs off on its word to commit to repairing it at their cost and then decides to hold my laptop hostage. So I tore them a new one.

Predictably, I got quite a few emails from HP over the next 24 hours asking me what they could do to rectify the situation. I asked them to honor their initial commitment to repairing the laptop under warranty, which they were happy to do. In fact, they replaced the entire computer with a slightly different and better model of the same series, since they didn’t have the replacement part in stock.

First, I would like to commend HP for owning up to their mistake, and correcting my own personal customer satisfaction issue. But there are a bunch of larger issues that I think need to be addressed. One is that people need to be aware of what they are getting into when they purchase an expensive laptop computer, and the other is clearly an issue of followup and communication that the vendors themselves need to improve, and I’m not just picking on HP here.

Over the course of this experience I got to talking with a bunch of people familiar with HP and the support policies of competing vendors — and the answer was pretty much the same, no matter who I talked to on the subject — they all like to classify broken screens as accidental damage and outside the realm of warranty repair, whether it was due to routine use and wear and tear, excessive/careless treatment or simply, well, an accident.

A reader who shall remain nameless was a former HP service contractor contacted me and let me know that denying regular warranty coverage is a routine practice now:

Jason,

I understand you pain and anger!!

I worked for a service provider that was HP certified for servicing HP equipment and what I read in your article, “Sitting Shiva for my Dead laptop” is typical for HP service centers.

I can honestly say that from my years experience servicing HP PC’s, HP will label anything that looks like your bad display, “user damage” and not cover it under warranty. I think it’s their way of “cutting costs” by looking at the display and assuming you dropped the laptop or broke it. Even working with HP, it was very frustrating to get their service depots to acknowledge a simple customer service axiom, “give the customer the benefit of the doubt “and warranty the repair (first time). They don’t get the concept of customer loyalty.

For those of you at the ready who will say “But Applecare is the best!” I direct you to our own Tom Foremski’s recent experience with a broken screen on his Macbook Pro.

With the slowing economy PC vendors are trying to cut their costs wherever they can. Much like health insurance companies which deal with large volumes of claims that they will routinely deny as elective procedures and such, they will deny warranty claims if they can get out of it, because equipment is no longer made like it used to be made, parts are failing much more frequently and people are subjecting their systems, particularly their notebooks and laptops, to more and more routine stresses that a desktop would normally never see or even laptops 10 years ago ever saw.

To be fair to the OEMs like HP, their customers go into Starbucks or Dunkin’ Donuts and spill coffee on their systems, they bang them around when they travel, they get moved around and smacked about constantly, et cetera. So it’s not uncommon for expensive component items like these super-thin LCD screens to break even from routine use.

One of the folks I had a very productive conversation about this subject with at HP was their designated “Customer Advocate” at the national support center in Denver. He’s the person of last resort when customers go off the deep end — the man has to deal with a lot of extremely angry and irate people. He must be a saint or at the very least, enjoy the punishment. He’d prefer not to be named, but you can probably figure out who he his.

HP’s Customer Advocate agrees that surprises are definitely a bad thing, and HP is going to try not to repeat what happened to me in the future and there will be more up-front communication to a customer about coverage and they will strive for better coordination between their US-based service and Indian call centers. I certainly hope they follow through with this because I really would not like to see what happened to me continue to happen to other HP customers.

The biggest takeaway I got with my conversation with HP’s customer guy on the inside — who honestly is one of the nicest guys in the world and has the most calming voice I have ever heard — is that if you are going to spend serious cash on a laptop computer, you probably want to think about buying Accidental Damage Protection for it. In the case of a $1400.00 Elitebook, I was looking at around $289 for an all-inclusive policy. When a screen repair goes for $440.00, or an entire mainboard needs to be replaced due to an unexpected green tea chai latte tsunami in your cube, or the when the hulking TSA security guy-cum-gorilla at the airport mishandles your prized toy at the Rapiscan, this gives you peace of mind.

For consumer HP laptops, a 3-year Accidental Damage Protection Plan which includes spill and drop coverage is $350. You can also buy 1-year and 2-year plans. Similarly priced plans for Business/Enterprise laptops are also available.

Likewise, both Dell (see site) and Lenovo (see site) have similar coverage plans.

[EDIT: thanks readers for clarification] Apple (see site) has Applecare plans which extend coverage beyond regular warranty terms into additional years, but apparently they do not offer Accidental Damage coverage to the extent of the other two Tier 1 PC vendors.

Does your laptop have Accidental Damage Protection? Have you ever made use of it? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

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Yes it does have that
GuidingLight 4th Aug 2009
As I view a Laptop as a product that is susceptable to outside influences as a vehicle is.

It does not matter how careful and protective you are, The unit is out of your control at places like the airport.

At a Starbucks, all it takes for a 1,500 dollar laptop to become a bookend is some hyperactive kid to knock it off the table, or a clumsy patron spilling their drink over it a he tries to squeeze past other patrons or displays at the location.

And yes, I have had to use it. An impropperly setup table at a function I was attending colapsed, an of course the lovely centerpiece had to have it's fall cushioned by my laptop happy
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My Dell laptop does
WoW > Work 4th Aug 2009
I bought my (personal) Dell XPS M1710 with accidental damage, and I also purchase all my company's laptops with AD. I've seen too many water incidents to know it's worth the little extra. Thankfully, my home laptop hasn't had a need for it, but I know the work ones have.

I'm even ready to get AD on my iPod Touch from Best Buy (though, I'm not sure if it's worth it, for $70...anyone know if BB's AD coverage is worth it?)
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about best buy AD
bigsibling 5th Aug 2009
All I can do is give you my run-down on Best Buy's AD coverage, and that is, if I ever do buy anything again at BB, I certainly will NOT pay for AD coverage with them. We bought an x-box 360 several years ago for the kids for x-mas. It quit reading discs this past summer. I took to BB, they were going to exchange it for a new one (which comes w/ a bigger HDD which hey, coool!). But then they started giving me some spiel about how the serial on the receipt did not match the serial on the box and so we had obviously were trying to pull a fast one on them. We had to call the national CS number to get it worked out, took about 3 weeks for them to send us a BB card for the original purchase price + tax (which, BTW, was also more than what a new 360 costs today - so we came out ahead both ways). I just didn't like being made to feel I was the bad guy cause they screwed up their numbers somehow.

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Not BBYs fault they could have been nicer
psheehan3@... 16th Aug 2009
I understand your problem but you have to see that this type of thing happens all the time they are just trying to protect themselves and their bottom line. Is this right? Yes and no, they could have been a lot nicer and explained this which it sounds like they did but at the same time not treat you like a criminal when they saw the unit was broke. The CSRs are only so bright so you have to give them very little leeway with customers (I had a CSR return a Hard drive one time that was just a box of rocks, or the Entertainment system we didn't even sell) so that is why you were told what you were told. I don't work for BBY anymore but I just wanted you to see the other side of the story so you understand why the CSR and BBY acted the way they did.

I also had a similar experience with Walmart, I bought a portable DVD player that was supposed to be a Philips opened it up and it was some off brand, I tried to return it and was told that there was no way it could have been the other unit because they come in plastic anti-theft cases and I removed it (which I didn't do there never was one) so they would not return it. The manager even went as far as threatening to call the police on me and having me arrested for trying to return the merch.

So it happens both ways it is unfortunate that people will rip off retailers that they have to do this.
None of the AppleCare service plans offered will cover you for damage "due to an unexpected green tea chai latte tsunami in your cube, or the when the hulking security guy-cum-gorilla at the airport mishandles your prized toy at the Rapiscan". What's worse is that you will be forced to pay a lot more than that $400 if the screen breaks (as Tom Foremski learned in his post that you linked to in your article).

There are some Apple dealers that will offer this coverage themselves, but this is completely separate from Apple and will require claims to be processed through them directly.
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Really?
jperlow 4th Aug 2009
I thought that was the entire POINT of Applecare. Why else would you need it when the regular warranty covers normal component breakdown?
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daftkey Updated - 4th Aug 2009
AppleCare provides the following:
1) Extends the warranty period from 1 year to 3 years
2) Extends Phone support from 90 days to 3 years
3) Provides international coverage for portables
4) Provides on-site service for desktops
5) Includes some (dubiously-useful) testing software.

For all intents and purposes, the only reason people usually buy Applecare is to get #1. the rest are really bonuses that are somewhat useful. The terms for point #1 are the same under AppleCare as they are under the regular one-year warranty.

(sorry for all the edits - having some.. issues.. :))
For the reasons you state. Many consumers will assume it includes accidental damage. In a word, "oops". It's in their fine print, but nobody bothers to read that anymore...


Well at least HP got back to you. Apple doesn't seem to care about AppleCare...
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You have an Applecare Accidental Damage coverage plan that you paid extra for and they are not repairing the machine?
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You clearly don't.
HypnoToad72 5th Aug 2009
His phrase rather suggests HP returned his calls/e-mails/whatever and Apple did not. It's pretty clear...

His pithy post was one you looked into way too much -- I could look into this too far as well and suggest you are trying to promise a false image by embellishing what he said and stuffing in a couple of choice words to add bias. After all, AppleCare says it does not repair accidental damage. The last I checked, Apple openly states that too, hence this:

Being a rabid Apple fan myself, I don't care for AppleCare and know it's a farce. That's why I bought the store warranty instead. One where they go out of their way to clearly state what is and is not covered before one gets to the fine print.

If Apple screwed up with manufacturing, they are liable and it's up to customers to convince the shareholders to wake Apple up to do their part, ethically (a dying concept, it seems). If the end user blows it up, then the end user needs to be more awake when it comes to deciding which warranty to buy. (I wouldn't ever go with a manufacturer warranty direct, regardless of manufacturer... As I do know people who have and lost a lot of money due to incidents the company claimed in the sales pitch but did not follow through with.)
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$400 ?!?!
Bill4 4th Aug 2009
With $40 for a (supposedly--you know how that goes) OEM panel and some free internet instructions, I replaced the cracked screen on my son's 14" iBook G4 with 10.4 and got a cheap lap top that is way faster and more powerful than my old Dell CSx! The Dell is tucked away in the event Win 98 comes back.

It looks like service is still the racket to be in.
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Check out Tom Foremski's column that Jason linked to and have a look at how much Apple wanted to charge him for the same repair. $400 would seem like a deal.
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Tell me about it
jdbukis@... 4th Aug 2009
Dell qouted me 234 quid to replace the graphics card on my laptop (Which is actualy quite good because its going for 500 quid on ebay.), instead I just cleaned out the fans and removed the heat sink, and replaced the goo they were using to make contact with the heat sink with copper and arctic silver and hey presto.
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100% correct
psheehan3@... 16th Aug 2009
When I worked for Geek Squad we were told that LCD repairs are too expensive and have the customer buy a new laptop. Now that I run my own business I know that is not true. On average most LCD repairs cost less than $200, and are easy as replacing a watch battery (seriously, pop off a few panels, unscrew some stuff, unplug a couple things, take out broken LCD, put in new LCD, plug back in, screw in some stuff, pop on a few panels).

Most retailers on Ebay even warranty their stuff for a year or so.
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$1295? Sorry, but...
Bill4 4th Aug 2009
Friday is trash day. I'll just limit myself to the desktop PC.
wink
..It's made of some really special quality material that no other computer manufacturer has access to.. That's why it's so expensive..

Of course, for a computer that only costs $1700 brand new, you can well imagine how the rest of the parts compare to what's available in PC-land. .. I guess they gotta make the computer competitive somehow.. happy
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What REALLY you need to know...
hickum 4th Aug 2009
Break your laptop, set up a blog and complain if they don't fix it for free. That's what you need to know.

Though Apple seems to have a bit more backbone in this regard.
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Lilputing 4th Aug 2009
>> denying regular warranty coverage is a routine practice now

At the beginning of the article you openly say that the damage was accidental then you have the gaul to say that its "regular" warranty coverage? Manufacturer warranties cover faults as a result of manufacturing defects so I'd totally understand if it should have been done in warranty if the fault was due to a hinge being too tight or a part slipping against the screen but if the screen wasn't being opened correctly or the computer being handled incorrectly.. personally I always thought if you have nice things you take care of them. I'm also surprised that a professional in the IT industry would mention a notebook being used in bed without a comment towards adequate airflow and safe usage.

For shame Mr. Perlow happy it's always a pity seeing someone above the age of 6 make excuses and exploit their position for an opportunity to throw a tantrum until they get what they want HP isn't much better for kowtowing to your childish behaviour hope you've racked up some interesting karma for all the people who will be following your bad example when they break their computers, so much for journalistic responsibility I guess what people say about blogs is correct
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Excuse me.
jperlow 4th Aug 2009
Read the original article that this is a follow-up from. Read the chat log from HP which I have provided in PDF form as evidence.

When HP's Indian representative says "It's a warranty repair", I have to take it at their word that it is a covered warranty repair, and send it in with the FEDEX box they decided to ship to me.

If it is indeed "Accidental Damage" then they should have told me up front -- which they did not, they said, again, it was a WARRANTY REPAIR, I would have pursued other repair options, which probably would have entailed buying a $100 OEM part and doing the work myself.
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You knew it was accidental damage!
bjbrock 5th Aug 2009
You should have told them that in the first place.

However, I fault HP for having someone in a call center that can't understand English and probably couldn't grasp the full story you were telling him.

However, that doesn't excuse you for trying to pull a fast one. Then crying about it when the real truth was discovered. You suckered HP and got away with it. Congrats.
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Twilight Zone...
Fark 5th Aug 2009
Did you read the article? Pull a fast one? Are you guys trying to be funny or do you dislike Jason and just want to be silly?

Jason's case, and reporting, sounds perfectly logical. Only problem I have is: If he wasn't Jason Perlow of ZDNET and didn't write a scathing article, would he have gotten his repair? Nope.
So HP really only replaced his screen because that was cheaper then the PR hit he was giving them. If it was me with the broken Laptop - - I'm sure I'd still have a broken Laptop. UI sure as hell wouldn't have a new, better, one as a replacement (seems like a bribe).
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Maybe, maybe not.
Lunatic59 Updated - 5th Aug 2009
If he wasn't Jason Perlow of ZDNET and
didn't write a scathing article, would he have
gotten his repair? Nope.

Most people would have vented a little and
given up, either accepting the cost of the
repair or laying the machine to rest. You can
get results if you keep at it. I had a warranty
repair on a Toshiba laptop "declared" to be
accidental damage by their service affiliate (a
key fell off the keyboard after only using the
thing for three days). It took close to two
weeks and too many calls to remember to get
them to own up, which they ultimately did.

To quote "The Parrot Sketch" ... "If you
want to get anything done in this country, you
have to complain until you are blue in the
face."
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Fark 5th Aug 2009
But your absolutely right.
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"Accidents"
ParrotHead_FL 5th Aug 2009
HP clearly made a mistake; they should've said no dice from the start.

It's obvious to anyone who sees the pictures that the damage wasn't due to normal wear and tear, but rather how the laptop was handled.
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It just sucks you get a 1 year warranty to start with
Randalllind Updated - 4th Aug 2009
Acer gives 1 year even through you can buy a 2 year extended warranty.

I think if hard drive makers can gave 5 then laptop makers should give 3.
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Once upon a time, three and five-year warranties were the norm with computers.. This was back in the day when you wouldn't think it unusual to plunk down three grand for a pretty average computer system.. I say back in the day, but I'm really only talking about ten years or so ago - I think when we were closing in on Y2K you would easily have paid that for a PII-350 with 128MB RAM, an 8GB hard drive, a 17" CRT monitor, and an Inkjet printer.. oh yeah, and still plunk down $15 for a printer cable, $30 for an Ethernet card (if you were lucky enough to go broadband at $60/mo over and above your cable bill)..

Of course, not only were you paying more for computers back then, but retailers and manufacturers had a LOT more room to move (a $3000 system would have 15-20 points in it for the store.. nowadays retailers are lucky to get 10 points, on a system that would typically run for $1000 when all is said and done).

The problem with warranties is that not enough customers see value in them to embed the cost in the computer system. With the thin margins that manufacturers see today, offering a larger warranty would mean dealing with the overhead of stocking more replacement parts, doing more warranty assessments, keeping more techs on staff, and paying for more repairs. All these costs would push the price of the machine up to the point where it wouldn't be competitive.

This is where the after-market extended warranties come in.. For retailers, they represent a high-margin item that they can actually make money off of (in the Apple world, retailers make about as much on AppleCare as they do on the iMac that AppleCare is for)..

For manufacturers, it's an even juicier endeavor.. If they play their cards right (read: if they execute well and have the right spin-doctors in place), they can not only make some extra cash on selling the warranties, but they can also offer a point of differentiation from their competitors (again, this is where Apple shines - they sell a LOT of AppleCare, and guess where all the rave reviews of their service come from.. in a way, you buy AppleCare, you are providing more advertising ammunition for Apple by paying them to be in the service business.. ditto for Dell, Lenovo, and HP).

So long story short - manufacturers have learned a long time ago that it just doesn't pay to offer longer warranties on consumer computers.
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This was clearly not a warranty...
bjbrock 5th Aug 2009
issue. The laptop was mishandled. Your wife broke it! HP should never have fixed this after reading the facts in your blog. This is like wrecking a car and expecting to have your dealer fix it under warranty.

If you were not someone writing a column the laptop would never have been warrantied and rightly so.
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People that rip off...
bjbrock 5th Aug 2009
insurance companies cause everyone's rates to increase. People that rip off retailers cause the price of goods to go up. People that rip off HP cause the price of computers to increase. Someone has to pay for repairs and those costs are passed on to the consumer.
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Okay, we get it.
Lunatic59 5th Aug 2009
You can stop beating ... the horse is already
dead. While agree with you that many people do
try and take advantage of warranty repairs by
deception, I can think of various circumstances
where a screen crack can happen due to poor
manufacturing processes or marginal QC or
inspection. If at assembly, a small chip was
put in the screen under the bezel, the normal
stress of regular use would indeed cause a
large crack of the kind described without
warning. Or, if whatever material they use to
reduce friction and the hinges was forgotten or
jammed the hinge, much more force would be
required to open and close the screen, again
making the screen more susceptible to failure.
Of course the ONLY person who knows for sure is
Jason's wife, but Jason has to take her word
for it [believe me, I've been married for 25
years ... he HAS to take her word for it.]

But the point is, he never claimed it was a
"defect" (read the original article) all he did
was call the warranty support line to see
IF it was covered ... and he sent
them a picture to illustrate the problem.
The moment the rep said it was a warranty
repair, language barrier or not, HP was on the
hook. It's their responsibilty to understand
the customer's situation before they promise
and send a postage-paid box.
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Why Not
ArtShapiro 5th Aug 2009
I don't see anything in the description of the failure that indicates it was user damage and that Jason was pulling a "fast one" on HP.

It seems a laptop should be able to withstand the "intense" forces needed to change the screen angle without the LCD fracturing. While one tries to push on the outer bezel, of course, it's very easy to exert pressure on the screen in the process. This is routine treatment.

Art
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Question?
bjbrock 5th Aug 2009
I have a brand new hard drive that was working great... until one of my associates dropped it on a concrete floor. What should I do...

1) RMA the drive even though it was mishandled, accidental damage. WD won't know the difference and I'm sure they will warranty it.

2) Be honest about it and take my lumps because this clearly wasn't a manufacturer's issue.

I look forward to your opinion.
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Be honest? Shirley you jest!
Heimdall222 5th Aug 2009
First, give your associate the same treatment he/she/it gave your hard drive. That is, drop said associate onto a concrete floor from the same height as the dropped drive.

Then, if you're:

-- A Republican, curse the Democrats for higher taxes, and RMA the drive.
-- A Democrat, curse the Republicans for giving the rich a free ride, and RMA the drive.
-- An Independent, curse both the Republicans and the Democrats for not being Independents, and RMA the drive.
-- A Libertarian, curse all of the above for not believing in self-ownership, and RMA the drive.
-- A Green Party person, curse all of the above for not being as green as Kermit, and RMA the drive.
-- A Socialist...oh, never mind. You get the idea.

The point is that morals are unlikely to prevail, and you'll not be honest about it and take your lumps. A very sad commentary on the state of affairs in this country, but all too true!
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None of the above.
jperlow 5th Aug 2009
Hard drives, for the most part, are very inexpensive. It would cost more of your personal labor to do the RMA process than it would to buy a new drive.

Additionally, I am not sure how this is related to a consumer issue. You're talking about a part that was damaged during maintenance and I'm talking about a system component that was damaged during routine use.
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Dropped hard drive
fatman65535 Updated - 5th Aug 2009
Your quandary: I have a brand new hard drive that was working great... until one of my associates dropped it on a concrete floor. What should I do...

First, tell your associate that he (or she) has a new desktop paper weight!

Second, remind this associate that this paper weight was created due to his (or her) mis-handling of the drive.

Third, tell this associate the he (or she) owes you a new replacement hard drive; because that person damaged it.

Fourth, do not accept any bull$#!t excuses from this associate regarding replacement of the hard drive. IMHO he (or she) broke it; and if they don't like it, then tough $#!t. They owe you.
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Never tell the truth play dumb
Randalllind 7th Aug 2009
I had a power supply die and it killed my hard drive. So I ran the hard drive test on this WD drive and got a code.

I then called with the RMA # everything is fine going to be replace. Then the guy ask me what happen and I said my power supply died. I replace it and now hard drive doesn't work.

All a sudden he void my warranty telling me it was my PSU fault.

So from that day on I now tell tech support if and when I call I have no idea it just stopped working.

Honesty doesn't matter in the tech world it seems.
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Ripping the system off...
naibeeru 9th Aug 2009
However, had you NOT told the truth you would be stealing: the WD drive did not fail due to a manufacturing defect, your PSU killed it. It's people like you ripping the system off that help keep prices inflated. Take it on the chin and be honest - life will work much better for you that way, as you won't have to remember what lies you've told to whom. WD should in NO way be liable for your PSU killing their HDD. If I were them, I would expect you to tell the truth, regardless of whether it means you don't get a free hard drive that you don't deserve...
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Doesn't matter if his wife broke it is not the issue.
Randalllind Updated - 5th Aug 2009
The whole story center around the fact that a tech looked at the damage via picture and said no problem warranty will cover that.

I am sure if the tech told Jason we can't cover that because it looks like your wife broke it. Jason like everyone else would be upset but, that would be the end of it.

However when a person paid to decide these things says yes it is cover then you mail the machine in and then get told no and that they want the cost of a new laptop to fix it or you to paid to have the broken unit sent back to you that is just wrong.
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You broke it....
mike.celone@... 5th Aug 2009
...and now you are trying to play dumb. You can honestly say that you believed it was a warranty repair when your wife said she broke it? Come on now.

You lied and you got caught. She even told you ahead of time about the chrages if it was found to be accidental damage. Instead of fessing up to it you wrote about it on your blog and your position at a semi respected site hoping that HP wouldn't want the bad press.

Talk about immoral...
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insomniapr 5th Aug 2009
It's a beautiful thing when people like bjbrock post the following:

"However, I fault HP for having someone in a call center that can't understand English and probably couldn't grasp the full story you were telling him."

BJ, maybe some HP India phone reps don't understand English, but you apparently don't read English. Instead of going off at Mr Perlow for no reason, READ THE ENTIRE STORY (and the original article) and you'll understand that this is a matter of fighting for what is ethically right and NOT about using a professional position to get freebies.

Let me summarize this quickly for people that don't like to read like bjbrock: After explaining the issue over the phone, HP said that the laptop was serviceable. Only after they receive they decide it can't be serviced and that he would have to pay to get it back. Maybe you like to get the shaft when someone tries to rip you off, but Perlow sure didn't and fought back.

Jason, my hats off to you. I applaud you for ripping HP a new one. You, my friend, are THE man.
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I read trhe whole post.
bjbrock 5th Aug 2009
Jason should have explained the whole story that it was accidental damage. When he explained the issue he conveniently left out that fact. Had HP known all the facts in their entirety they would not have said they would fix it. His dishonesty caused the problem. In my opinion, Jason shafted HP and tried to rip them off, not the other way around.

So yes I read the post from start to finish, and the original. And I stand by what I said originally. I am sure, however, that there are plenty of people such as yourself that want to pat Jason on the back for getting one over on the big, bad corporation. But everyone is entitled to there own mores.
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I purchase 3 year accidental insurance for all the laptops I buy for my company. For a laptop that goes out in the field every day, I highly recommend it. The insurance has paid for itself many times.

It also makes getting service easier. I don't have to prove anything. It's broke, it has insurance, fix it. The next day, the service guy shows up and fixes it. No fuss. No aggravation. Happy user.
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Yep, it's well worth it!!!
itanalyst2@... 5th Aug 2009
Any high-dollar item I buy I always get the optional "sh** happens" insurance...

It's saved my beans more than once!!
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I Buy Mine At Wal-Mart or Sam's Club
itanalyst2@... 5th Aug 2009
I had mine for a year after getting it at Sam's Club, dropped it in the kitchen and obliterated the monitor...took it in, told them the screen broke, the girl said "Just go get another one.".

It's worth paying for the 2-year coverage, believe me.
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Nice article and followup
rhonin 5th Aug 2009
There has been more than a few times that I
have run the course for a warranty issue.
Having the alternative outlet like this article
is a tool I don't have in my arsenal.

Personally, for hi-end pc's, I do purchase the
AD coverage, for low end, nope.

Once again - nice job!
It is good to see that companies do pay
attention to the impact sites like this have.
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I'm glad your machine got repaired... however...
Hallowed are the Ori 5th Aug 2009
I have to wonder that had you not been who you are, would HP have been so accommodating?

I have to think that had you been one of the great unwashed masses, a John Q. Public, they'd have still told you to go suck an egg.

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Finally the voice of reason!
Pete "athynz" Athens 5th Aug 2009
Jason I think it's great you got your laptop fixed... well replaced, and to those who say he deliberately "got over" on HP - remember he sent a pic of the damage and asked if it was covered.

However if the same set of events had happened to one of us who is not in a position to very publicly make such a "stink" over the damage I seriously doubt that HP would have been so accommodating. Then again I personally would have shopped ebay for a new screen and installed it myself.
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The answer is probably no.
jperlow 5th Aug 2009
However, that's why I'm writing this article, for the benefit of those who might get stiffed in a situation such as this, to serve as a caveat.
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You are in a unique position in the industry to tell HP how bad their customer service is. I have an HP design issue with the left hinge in my HP dv9023us which I noticed after their "warranty" period expired. To make a story short I called in and was told they will be charging me $289.00 to get it fix. Design issue problems should not subject to time limitations.

HP continues to squeeze customers in general and not helping them to resolve issues such as mine. I was not lucky enough to get it repaired under their "recall".

You were extremely lucky they hear you loud anc clear. Could you facilitate me the name and number of this HP advocate you were referring in your post?
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Contact me thru the form, thanks.
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