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What the Buzz? Get Me Off This Crazy Thing!!!

By | February 11, 2010, 9:41am PST

Summary: Google’s Buzz, which adds Social Networking features to their popular GMail service, is a bit too Alpha and uncontrolled for me to participate in it right now.

Google’s Buzz, which adds Social Networking features to their popular GMail service, is a bit too Alpha and uncontrolled for me to participate in it right now.

So yesterday I was anticipating, with much excitement, of getting “Buzzed”. After watching the demo and reading everyone’s coverage of Google’s social media features for GMail, I was ready to jump ship from Twitter into possibly something better.

But as with the Google Wave hype of 2009, that excitement faded very quickly into frustration. In Buzz’s case, it morphed into full blown anger and rejection.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

First, it started with the waiting. I wanted Buzz. I wanted Buzz. I wanted Buzz. When is Buzz going to be turned on in my account? When? When? WHEN?

And then it came. Oh boy it came.

The first thing I noticed was that I was already following people — the most common people that I already GMail with. That’s cool. And people were beginning to follow me, and that number was starting to increase significantly with the passing of hours, as millions of GMail users were getting the Buzz.

Having no guidance on Buzz-etiquette on reciprocal following, I only had Twitter and FaceBook conventions to follow, so I went with a merger of the two philosophies. I decided to follow everyone who was starting to follow me.

Having replied to a number of Buzzes from my friends through the GMail web interface, I started doing a bit of my own Buzzing. I posted some updates about a crazy bacon superbowl party I attended over the weekend,  and tested out the photo attachment features. Cool.

Had I stayed within the realm of my “actual” sphere of influence and email contacts, I probably would have been fine. But then I started looking at Twitter and saw what several other people were saying about the service on Buzz.

On Twitter, I happen to follow a very large amount of people, as of today over 430. Among them are prominent members of what I like to call the “New Media Weberati”, folks who are influencers and are high volume/high traffic Twitterers and Bloggers about technology. Following these people helps me stay abreast of what is going on and to stay relevant.

Twitter, however, does not function like Buzz. In Twitter, you voluntarily follow someone, and then start to get their direct updates in a serialized fashion, like a message bus. For example, I follow @ldignan and he follows me back as @jperlow.

When @ldignan posts a Twitter update, I just get what he says or repeats (”retweets”) what others say. I don’t get what other people say directly to @ldignan, unless I am also following those people. Twitter and the TweetDeck client I use to interact with the service is also a separate application from my GMail email, and I can turn it on and off at will and it’s not particularly invasive.

Almost overnight, all the top Twitterers and New Media Weberati became instant Buzz celebrities with thousands of followers. Case in point, guys like Mahalo.com founder Jason Calacanis and uber-tech blogger and Twitterer Robert Scoble.

So last night I noticed this particular post by Calacanis on Buzz, where he effectively spells the death knell for FaceBook. So I replied to this Buzz, telling him that his stupid pre-iPad launch stunt diminished his political capital with his fellow Weberati and he should quit on predicting FaceBook’s death spiral while he was ahead.

This in retrospect was an extremely bad thing for me to do. Not because I particularly care about what Calacanis thinks about me and what I have to say, but because my life was about to be made miserable by Buzz.

In Buzz, if you start to follow someone outside your regular sphere of email contacts, and you then REPLY to one of those Buzz messages, you will then get an AVALANCHE of updates from that person and all the people who replied to that particular Buzz, particularly if that person is one of the most popular people on Buzz.

So predictably, because of Calacanis’s popularity, he starts getting dozens of replies by the minute, and it becomes like a runaway train, because Buzz updates in real time. His Buzz post is now pegged the top of my Buzz feed and now it’s hijacking all my Buzz activity. So I “Mute” the Buzz. I figure that’s the end of it. It’s not.

The rest of the evening was a comedy of errors, slapstick exercise in trying to leap off an oncoming train wreck. After I “Muted” the buzz as well as “Unfollowed” Calacanis, his Buzz keeps coming back to the top of my Buzz feed. AAAAAARRRRRRGGGH!

Why? Well I suppose because I replied to him, and Buzz still thought I needed to see EVERYONE ELSE’S REPLIES. I presumed this was a bug related to the fact I had a reply in his Buzz. At the time I posted the reply, there was no way to remove/edit a reply to someone’s buzz [EDIT: This appears to have been resolved by Feb 12th with a Google Buzz update]. The Buzz avalanche was now out of control and I had to turn the service off.

By morning, this avalanche effect seemed to have been taken care of by Google. I was no longer seeing the Calacanis fanboy FaceBook death pile-on. But then I heard something that made my hair stand up. It was from my wife, yelling from her office.

“Jason, who is this Calacanis idiot in my Buzz?”

Me: @#$%!

See, if other people are “Following” you (my wife was deemed an automatic follower by virtue of her email frequency to me in GMail) they see all the Buzzes in which you reply to someone, even if they don’t follow that person. And now they have to mute those Buzzes. It’s like taking the worst aspects of Twitter and FaceBook and combining it into some mutant Social Media information firehose which you have no control over.

Are you beginning to understand why Buzz could very quickly become a complete mess? And I haven’t even gotten into the mobile device aspects.

I certainly understand the potential of Buzz, as I do for Wave. But Buzz should not be treated like Twitter, and certainly not FaceBook. With Twitter, you can isolate it from the rest of your workflow and only see what you want to see. With FaceBook, you have to give people explicit permission to interact with you or view your updates by the “Friending” process.

Buzz attempts to bridge the functionality of both by integrating these updates by your sphere of influence/contacts into your e-Mail workflow. However, unlike Twitter and FaceBook, where you can have hundreds or thousands of “Friends” or “Followers” it is probably not a good practice to expand your “Buzzshphere” beyond your frequent or semi-frequent email contacts list, otherwise it will very quickly become overwhelming.

And when it comes to the super high volume guys like the Ashton Kutchers or the Calacanises or the Scobles and Arringtons, stay the hell away. Leave these people on Twitter where they can be compartmentalized. I suggest that if Google wants us to be able to interact with these folks, we need to be able to have “Sort Views” for the high-frequency and high-reply volume Buzzers, just as we have the ability to create sort groups in FaceBook today.

Is Buzz useful or is it a Alpha-Grade distraction? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

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Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet is a technologist with over two decades of experience with integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. A long-time computer enthusiast starting the age of 13 with his first Apple ][ personal computer, he began his freelance writing career starting at ZD Sm@rt Reseller in 1996 and has since authored numerous guest columns for ZDNet Enterprise and Ziff-Davis Internet. Jason was previously Senior Technology Editor for Linux Magazine, where he wrote about Open Source issues from 1999 to 2008.

In his spare time, Jason is an avid amateur chef and food writer, where his work reviewing New Jersey restaurants has appeared in The New York Times. He is also the founder of the popular food web site eGullet and blogs about restaurants and cooking at OffTheBroiler.com.

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Oh the humanity. Use an email IMAP client.
D.T.Schmitz 11th Feb 2010
Disabled buzz yesterday when I saw your agonizing Buzz contortions over on Twitter.

It was too much to bear. It's off.
I am starting to find out how useful Windows Live really is. the email connector is a great. If you have multiple webmail accounts for some reason, you can connect all of them to your outlook client and get all of you mail in one easy to use and extremely powerful mail client.
The other aspects of Windows Live, such as your 25 GB skyDrive start to show value quickly. You heard right, 25 GB of free cloud storage. Google doesn't come close, although it does allow larger files in the much smaller space it gives you.
YOu also get a free hosted website, workspaces, Movie Maker, Photo gallery the list goes on with new features being added regularly.
For free you get a lot and if you use the webmail interface (as opposed to installing the connector and using Outlook), it's lightyears ahead of gmail's UI.
You can't compare that to linking one's personal for-profit link in a post.

Mine was not aimed whatsoever at making me money.

But thanks for the nice reply all the same.

Best wishes.
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Jason,

Reading your post reminded me of setting up mailing lists and getting the config wrong, allowing replies to be reply to all. Invariably, someone would reply to the list with UNSUBSCRIBE. Many times more verbose than that, with complaints enumerated. Then someone would complain to the list, "Hey, I don't want to get unsubscribe messages." And that would be shot out to the whole list, too.

Lots of fun. Glad to hear we've updated to a social media version of it.

Jesse

Jesse Casman
San Francisco, CA
and easier to control how much you get blasted. If they
can quickly figure out how to filter most of the noise,
and give you the control you want over you privacy, it
could be huge.

But, integrating it AUTOMATICALLY with gmail means that
the adoption curve could be very high, though very risky
for Google if too many are irritated.
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Buzz it quick!
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I think I'll stick with Facebook.
CobraA1 11th Feb 2010
As a blogger, your job is basically to use huge volume services.

But - I think myself (and most people I know) are fine with something lower volume. A Facebook account with the privacy settings set to "family and friends only, please" is about as much volume as I need or want.
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Did not even bother. I'm about to turn Facebook off too, there just isn't enough time of the day to worry what someone is cooking for dinner or how their dog was doing.
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What does this integration between Buzz and GMail bode for "business"? Since Google has pro-actively been promoting their services to business to lower IT costs, one employee that decided to email a schematic of some "new, super-duper thingamajig" via GMail to could inadvertently be announcing to everyone that Company A is developing a new super-duper thingamjig!
The lack of security and control will probably influence many businesses to just say "Buzz off!"
{;-)
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You can turn off Buzz...
TriangleDoor 11th Feb 2010
...by clicking the "turn off buzz" link at the very
bottom of your Gmail mail-listing page. It's probably
in your account preferences as well.

I thought Buzz would be cool, too--for as long as it
took me to enable it and immediately see that I was
magically following five people apparently selected at
random from my contacts. I unfollowed the lot, and
later turned off Buzz when I learned how to. Maybe
I'll turn it back on once these and whatever yet-
unfound issues are fixed or otherwise made livable.
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I haven't used Buzz other than to look at the page a few times. The fact that it starts throwing people into my following/follower list without my consent is absurd. I'm deleting all the names and shutting it off.

The lack of control is unfathomable. Google doesn't appear to have thought this out at all.
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Yes they have.
lehnerus2000 12th Feb 2010
See my post below (#30).

lehnerus2000
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh
Userama 11th Feb 2010
I don't do Facebook.
I don't do Twitter.
I don't do MySpace.
I don't do Gmail--or any other Gapps.
I don't do Buzz.
I do do plain old vanilla e-mail.

OK. So maybe my head is in the sand, technologically speaking.
But you know what? When I read a blog like this one of yours,
Jason, it makes me so damn thankful that I'm not a part of this
frustrating, time-wasting "social" scene, I want to go pour a big
Scotch and water to celebrate! Hmmm. Not a bad idea. Excuse
me.
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What is it about beta that people don't understand?
ThePrairiePrankster 11th Feb 2010
I know that tech journalists need to try the new stuff, it is part of their job to see what's on the horizon and report what they see.

Is it any surprise that Buzz is a dog? Nope, it appears to be in early beta, right?

Since I am not a tech journalist, am not looking for another social network platform, and understand the pain and suffering that is part of the normal beta process I would never try Buzz until it is maybe a year old and all the crap is fixed, if ever.
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That it's beta is excusable
IT_User 11th Feb 2010
That users don't know they're beta testers is not.
default, so they need to accept the criticism.

That said, the criticism is GOOD for Google, they
are listening VERY carefully.
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Not quite by default
RDrrr 11th Feb 2010
Signing into Gmail, you're presented with an announcement for Buzz... and in the fine print, it says 'Nah, just go to Inbox' or something like that.
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Going to inbox doesn't help
daluci 11th Feb 2010
I chose the "just go to Inbox" option and Buzz was still turned on. It just didn't explain what all of the features meant. You have to go into settings and manually shut the thing off.
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Gmail was "beta" until 6 months ago.
matthew_maurice 11th Feb 2010
The term has lost all meaning in regards to application testing, and now
it's become code for "buggy, but free."
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Foisting beta on the unsuspecting public
ejhonda Updated - 12th Feb 2010
I think you may have missed the fact that Google didn't offer this like a beta product should be offered. You don't get to weigh the pros and cons of it. It simply appears in your realm. You don't choose to be involved - you're simply dropped into it.

Not many beta products get debuted like that, and Google are idiots for not taking an 'opt in' approach.
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RE: What the Buzz? Get Me Off This Crazy Thing!!!
Loverock Davidson 11th Feb 2010
And there it is, all bloggers agree that Buzz isn't worth the time or effort. Its hard to believe that Google actually wasted money on having a press conference about this failure of a tool. I would not want to be a Google employee right now, overnight they have become the laughing stock of the internet.
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Definately not for use in a business environment...
martymowdy@... Updated - 11th Feb 2010
I use my Gmail to run my business...I'm not about to enable something that would allow me to accidentally send customers copies of messages meant for family, friends or other customers...

Massive fail Google...IMHO.
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It's not supposed to be like Twitter you twits.

It's supposed to be a location-based social network. Open up Google Maps on your Android phone and turn on Buzz. Then is when you start to see how it is useful.

Using it only in your Gmail client is pointless, as many of you have already pointed out.
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RE: What the Buzz? Get Me Off This Crazy Thing!!!
philsimonsystems 11th Feb 2010
Interesting post. It seems like Buzz is a bit of binary right now. I use HootSuite to manage the information from Twitter. That's the only way that I could possibly handle the endless stream of often irrelevant information, although Twitter lists are a step in the right direction.
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Yes, Heaven forbid that...
Vesicant 11th Feb 2010
...the Great Privileged Ones at ZDNet should be exposed to anything less than v3 of anything. The rest of us exist only to debug for our Great Masters at ZDNet.
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It sucks! I didn't want it, don't want it, and can't make it go away even by following the steps outlined on several reliable/legitimate Geek sites.
At this rate I'm ready to try another web based email service--Google had better offer a straightforward set of instructions for allowing users to ditch this pain, or their loyal user base is going to bail on them...
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LOL. It's cool though, I think that it has no potential for
either workplace or social networking, and the sad part is
that Google is going to try to force it down our throats by
using Gmail.
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Contributr
Better me before everyone else
jperlow 11th Feb 2010
LOL
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You got that right !! ROTFLMAO !!! (nt)
babyboomer57 11th Feb 2010
nt
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That's how it looked to me from the beginning.
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Re: worst of twitter and fb
jntowers 11th Feb 2010
The ironic part is that Google was all "We think there is a problem with too much social noise and irrelevance, and that's a problem Google is good at fixing." And now the biggest complaints are how there is way too much noise.
Jason's blog.

He gets excited with hyped products or
services and he proclaims the revolution that
such products/services will bring. How can he
do that without ever trying the
product/service is proof there is something
messed up with his thought process. When the
reality crashes in his face, he then either
refuses to acknowledge his mistake or, as in
this case, throws a tantrum about how the
product/service didn't live to its
expectations.

Another of his nonsense holy grails is the
hyped iPad which he has also never used but
that he nonetheless hails as a revolution of
some sort. Yup, the iPad can behave similarly
to the iPod touch but that's really the most
you know about it, and hardly a basis to hail
the iPad as a revolution.

Seriously Jason, retire to some mental asylum.
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Contributr
You keep coming back.
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So what?
markbn 11th Feb 2010
Someone needs to call your B.S.
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dude chill out
KBot 11th Feb 2010
This is a SUBJECTIVE column. Do you know what that means? It means Jason can say whatever the hell he wants. If he's mistaken about a FACT then fix him, otherwise it's his opinion. If you don't like it and you have a valid reply, state it. Don't read atricles just to tell people they complain too much. That's why articles, blogs, and threads get huge and full of useless crap that covers all of the relevant conversation. You got an issue with someone who writes on ZD-net, blog about it somewhere else and add a link to the article in question, otherwise, stay the hell out of the conversation.
Are you suggesting that every time someone
receives a criticism the magic formula would be
to reply "chill out"? Sheesh

It means Jason can say whatever the hell he
wants. If he's mistaken about a FACT then fix
him, otherwise it's his opinion.


In what way me pointing out flaws affects you?

If you don't like it and you have a valid
reply, state it.


I stated my criticism


Don't read atricles just to tell people
they complain too much.


I didn't

You got an issue with someone who writes on
ZD-net, blog about it somewhere else and add a
link to the article in question,


Why should I do that? This section of ZDnet is
to talk back. I simply refuse to follow your
suggestion and instead I will keep using this
feature of the site. If you don't like that,
then please ask ZDnet to remove its talk back
feature.

otherwise, stay the hell out of the
conversation.


And I'm the one who needs to chill out?
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And then...
aep528 12th Feb 2010
You slammed Jason with a personal insult at the
end of the comment. Sorry, you have no
credibility.
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?
markbn 12th Feb 2010
So, you are basically saying that everything I
said about Jason's latest blog posts is true, but
because I finished with a not-nice statement I
have no credibility?
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Hmm, not really
markbn 11th Feb 2010
Just because you say that, it doesn't make it so.
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nt
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Jason, not necessarily saying this is a car wreck ...
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Could be VERY useful, if...
Narg 11th Feb 2010
This could be very useful, but only if when turned on everything is turned off at first. That way you have full control over the flow from the start. MS learned this in Windows Server, and now after installation nothing works at first. You have to turn it all on.
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"SWOT" Google's Buzz Before You Get Stung!
John Westra 11th Feb 2010
Every organization and individual that uses Google
Mail needs to "SWOT" Google's Buzz before they get
stung! Determine what Strengths, Weaknesses,
Opportunities and potential Threats Google's Buzz
offers and decide if/how you should use it.

Google has made a huge mistake with the Buzz launch.
The same mistake many IT departments have made over
the years. Installing software on people's systems,
with little or no warning, training or explanation of
why it will benefit them.

Sharp IT organizations and SAS vendors have learned
the hard way; users HATE unexpected changes,
especially those that are forced down their throats.
It will be interesting to see if the backlash against
Buzz, based on its intrusive installation and security
concerns turn this into another #EpicFail for Google.
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You can also send private replies rather than public replies. Would that have helped? I suspect at least you wouldn't have had the problem of all this coming up in your wife's mailbox.
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Contributr
Private reply?
jperlow Updated - 11th Feb 2010
Well, had I known that my default reply to Calacanis's public Buzz was going to propagate to everyone who follows me, yes, I probably would have done that. But I had no idea the system would behave that way.

When you "Private reply" does it only go to the person who's Buzz you've replied to or only to the originating buzzer and the "Sphere" of people who follow you? If the former, great, but if the latter, I'm not seeing the value in that.
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Yes I do belive that google needs to do lot of testing and tweaking in the coming weeks and months. Its quite raw right now. But improving is also not a big deal for google. its a giant in itself.

So be optimistic to get something better than this version of Buzz.


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We all know how cute the "aww shucks, I'm really sorry guys" posts are from that Zucker kid..

Google's response is usually "eh, it's free, it's new, and it's from us.. don't like it, sukonit"

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