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Who's a candidate for Desktop Linux? Your Kids.

By | October 20, 2009, 11:03am PDT

Summary: “Hannah Montana Linux” may not be ready to give to your kids yet, but it’s an idea that has legs. My partner in crime in the Frugal Tech Show, Ken Hess, who blogs over at Daniweb, recently published his list of Top 10 Linux Distributions for 2009. His readers gave him a lot of feedback due [...]

“Hannah Montana Linux” may not be ready to give to your kids yet, but it’s an idea that has legs.

My partner in crime in the Frugal Tech Show, Ken Hess, who blogs over at Daniweb, recently published his list of Top 10 Linux Distributions for 2009. His readers gave him a lot of feedback due to the exclusion of some of their favorites, so he published a second piece, a “Reader’s Choice” list of their Top 10 based on their submissions.

One of the distributions on that list that caught my eye was “Hannah Montana Linux”. No, I’m not joking.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

“Hannah Montana Linux” is little more than a desktop theme applied to fairly out-of-the box Kubuntu, running KDE 4.x. It’s not approved by Disney or Miley Cyrus, it’s simply just the efforts of a single programmer, who thought it might be a good idea to attract children to Linux.

Now, others who actually work with kids or are professional educators know a lot more about deploying Linux to children than I do, like our own Education IT blogger, Christopher Dawson, who’s written about the topic extensively.

However, I do know a little bit about what’s at stake. Deploying Linux in an educational environment has a lot of considerations and pitfalls, particularly as it pertains to controls and how the software would be integrated into a curriculum. Efforts such as OLPC and the Intel Classmate running various Linux variants have been put into various trials all over the world, some more successful than others.

However, I think that one particular segment that has been overlooked is not deploying Linux to children in an educational setting, but at home, for children younger than the age of 13, as a parental controls and child protection mechanism.

In my “Who is a Candidate for Desktop Linux” column I addressed certain usage scenarios that might make someone a good target to use Linux. One of those groups I identified was “The Super-Casual Web Surfer”.

While I initially suggested that Senior Citizens or netbook users might represent a large portion of this group, it now occurs to me that children under the age of 13 might also fit into this classification, but with the caveat that unlike Seniors or other adult casual surfers, they require supervision when browsing the Internet and making choices about which applications and sites they use. For parents, the Internet is a big scary ocean for their children to be swimming in, rife with predators and all sorts of awful things that they don’t want them to be exposed to.

“Hannah Montana Linux” as it is currently deployed — vanilla Ubuntu or Kubuntu Linux with a fun theme pack of your child’s choosing — would not be an appropriate choice to give to very young kids and allow them to use unsupervised. While spyware and viruses would not be a concern, you’d still have to add some sort of content-filtering service, such as ContentWatch, to block out anything that you don’t want your kids to see.

What I envision as a product is essentially a Live CD or light virtual machine (via VMWare Player or other mechanism that would lock children into a “sandboxed” environment) that you can run on any PC or Mac that when combined with content filtering technology, such as via a special proxy service via a SAAS application, that would allow parents to control exactly what they want their kids to be able to see.

Ideally, this product would be driven by educators and child-rearing experts that would know how to set “thresholds” of what is permissible to certain age groups. For example, it might be OK for a 10 year old to watch giant robots blast lasers at each other on the Transformers web site, but it might not be good for a 5-year old. All a parent would need to do is log into their SAAS account for the content filtering system, set the child’s age group or any other desired filtering criteria, and then those policies would be applied to the virtual system, netbook, or whatever device the child is using.

Linux in a Virtual Machine, Live CD or child-hardened netbook such as a Classmate, running a cloud-managed content system is an ideal environment because it could run on any PC OS, Windows or Mac, and because it would be sandboxed, would not interfere with the operations of the host OS.

The product as envisioned would just be an icon that the parent could click on and be set with a strong password that would prevent the child from leaving the constraints of the sandboxed environment. It could also be integrated and embedded into any number of set-top devices for hooking up to a television, or ran as as a piece of game software for PS3 or XBOX.

Would a content-filtered, Linux-based virtual appliance for children give you some piece of mind? Talk Back and Let Me Know.

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RE: Who's a candidate for Desktop Linux? Your Kids.
dennyhalim 15th Jan 2010
my kids are currently having fun with my own kidsuse
http://wiki.dennyhalim.com/kidsuse
skip Vista, though they will have contact with
Vista. My son prefers OSX, my daughter Ubuntu.

But, just like every kid should be taught at
least two languages at home, they should also
learn multiple OSes. Learning multiple OSes
deepens their understanding of operating systems
and technology. And, by the way, all of you
ugly Americans, there IS more than one language
spoken in the world.
great communicators and fit into any environment.
Teach your kids well.
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but then you ruined it with the "you ugly Americans" comment. That statement shows just how full of S you are. First off, America innovates, the world follows. The economy in America stumbles, the world stumbles. Economy in Europe stumbles and America goes about its business as if nothing happened. Asia has a bigger global impact these days.

Secondly, my daughter is 3 and is learning Mandarin and Spanish in addition to English. Most educated Americans are fully aware that there is more to the world than America but we are also fully aware that this is, currently, the closest place to being free we can possibly live. Unfortunately those days are numbered by Europeans and the environmental communists who think a "world government and transfer of wealth" are good ideas.
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America and Europe have much in common when it comes to bad government and bad people.

Likewise, there are plenty of Americans who speak multiple languages.

Can we just stick to a rational, technical discussion, instead of hurling insults at one another?
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Not only that...
MSFTWorshipper 21st Dec 2009
but any father who doesn't teach their son Latin, Greek and the ability to raise/lead an army is not doing his job!
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My kids? Seriously?
IT_User 20th Oct 2009
Well, yeah, the youngest makes extensive use of Linux in his home theater/network business, and he installs desktop Linux on many of his clients' machines, with Windows running in a partition, but I don't seriously see him going for Hannah Montana. Megan Fox perhaps.
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Megan Fox
jperlow 20th Oct 2009
Productize it. happy
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nt
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it's like saying 'paint an ak pink and all the women on this planet will buy on...lol
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RE: Who's a candidate for Desktop Linux? Your Kids.
Loverock Davidson 20th Oct 2009
Wrong! Its a trick question. Who's a candidate for desktop linux? No one!

This is just as bad as the drug dealers trying to hook the kids while they are young. I just can't imagine kids wanting to spend time away from their lives so they can sit there for hours on end downloading and recompiling the source code instead of using the computer to do fun things like visit Disney websites and playing fun educational games (which linux has none BTW). Sorry little Johnny, no Reader Rabbit for you because your daddy wanted to install linux. Not only are you not able to play all the latest games, you will also be left behind in your school work and won't be able to view what the other kids are talking about at school. That is right, your daddy made you completely incompatible with the rest of the world and now you have to suffer for it.

My gosh, that is not a scenario I'd want for any kid. Chances are good they will just give up the computer all together than try to figure out linux. Maybe we could use linux as a scare tactic so they won't touch the computer until they are older, and they will be so mentally scarred they won't ever consider linux again.
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WE wish . . .
JLHenry 20th Oct 2009
you'd give up typing. You're getting more incoherent every day . . .
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Aww too bad
Loverock Davidson 20th Oct 2009
but I don't think I'll be giving that up anytime soon. But if you want you can continue to read my posts and become a member of my fan club. I have lots of members already.
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Yes join the fan club
Viva la crank dodo 20th Oct 2009
So far it is made up exclusively of people that recognize his posts contain no credibility or insight. We have tried to encourage some actual admirers but sadly there have been no response except from one "stan".
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Thank you for responding
Loverock Davidson 20th Oct 2009
I know I can always count on you to be there for me. Everyone take note, he is one of many members of my fan club. He always comments when I do. happy
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I always knew you appreciated me since
Viva la crank dodo 20th Oct 2009
I have offered to stop responding if you actually provide insight as to the problems you claim exist on modern linux, evidence, supporting material. Since you indicate the problems are so consistent you could have gotten rid of me a long time ago but you are so afraid to lose me that you refuse to post evidence. You really do care.
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*SMOOCH* (NT)
Loverock Davidson 20th Oct 2009
:-*
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PLease
Viva la crank dodo 20th Oct 2009
Stick to your national geographic. I am not that big of an admirer.
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NOT AGAIN!!!!
fatman65535 30th Oct 2009
When I looked at the poster's name, all of a sudden, that old Jethro Tull song started playing in my head.

You know which one it is LD, it is:

"Living In The Past"

You epitomize its title.
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Then I scroll down to confirm the move to the end of the thread until I spot him again and skip some more.
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What?
jperlow Updated - 20th Oct 2009
downloading and recompiling the source code

On an EMBEDDED APPLIANCE? You mean like people do on Tivos and DVR units? And GPS navigation systems?

Come on. If you're going to troll at least make some sense that's relevant to the article. I'm really disappointed in you.
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How funny
Loverock Davidson 20th Oct 2009
The author of this article calling me a troll. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that statement? Now for your actual post, embedded device or not, it still has linux underneath which REQUIRES code to be recompiled. So to answer your multiple questions, yes.
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umm...
privatejarhead 20th Oct 2009
...i have ubuntu 9.04 installed next to vista on my toshiba laptop...i never had to compile, recompile, or mess with any source code. hell, never even touch CLI yet (i plan to for kicks though). i like linux and all, but you trolls are as worse/worse than osx trolls. grow up man... btw, linux does have games (i only have kbattleship, but there are more...just not a big gamer), Office-like products (openoffice), better-than-photoshop GIMP, etc etc. if you really want to troll about linux, at least be informed about whats youre preaching again. than, or grow up...
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Please don't feed the whiny . . .
JLHenry 20th Oct 2009
loser troll. You'll only encourage him . . .
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Then your system is out of date
Loverock Davidson 20th Oct 2009
and making it prone to attacks and bots. The apps you mentioned would hardly be called an app, in fact those should be ashamed to be an app on any operating system.
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Some games
Agnostic_OS 20th Oct 2009
You may that there are some games here -
http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php
The apps you're so proud about are actually crap with no future...
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So...
zkiwi Updated - 20th Oct 2009
Let's hear how you managed to recompile the Linux in your GPS device? Oh, and how often that is needed would be good for a laugh too.

Mind you, I guess you "overlook" how many times Windows (and its components) were compiled before they even thought about working, and are delivered in an "immutable" format to drones like you. With Windows, you get the recompiled/modified version every Patch Tuesday, and when Microsoft thinks of releasing a new version (which fixes old problems) and making you pay for it.
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I'll tell you how many times
Loverock Davidson 20th Oct 2009
None. Do you know why? Because I wouldn't trust linux in my GPS. The thought of being lost in a run down area then having the GPS kernel panic on me isn't a good one, so I can avoid that scenario completely by not using linux based products.
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Ah well...
zkiwi 20th Oct 2009
I guess you'll just have to have that "special moment" when you find yourself at the mercy of Linux.
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Damn, LD, you're right for once
Yagotta B. Kidding 20th Oct 2009
Now for your actual post, embedded device or not, it still has linux underneath which REQUIRES code to be recompiled.

I never really thought about that part. You've convinced me. From now on, I'll only use software that has never been compiled.
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That would leave you with...
jperlow 20th Oct 2009
Java. Or BASIC.
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No, either BASIC or Perl.
Zogg Updated - 21st Oct 2009
I would consider Java to be compiled into "byte code" .class files. You certainly can't execute .java files.

So could this mean that LD believes Windows 7 is written in VB wink ?
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Yes but the VM was compiled
T1Oracle 21st Oct 2009
so you can't use that either. Only machine code passes LD's test...
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Wait -- I'm confused
Yagotta B. Kidding Updated - 21st Oct 2009
That would leave you with Java. Or BASIC.

What would I run the Java or BASIC programs on?

(If you don't tell LD, I won't.)
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Haven't you learned by now???
JLHenry 20th Oct 2009
if you poke him with a stick, he only keeps going . . .
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Don't tell me
Viva la crank dodo 20th Oct 2009
its taken you this long to be disappointed in him. Or is this the first time you have bothered to read his comments? If so, you have saved yourself much time.
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Wow Star Trek girl, you have some isssues there!
B.O.F.H. Updated - 20th Oct 2009
Last time I tried to install Linux it took about 1/2 hour (though it was not Gentoo, which can take days depending on the compilation flags) but most people choose something like Ubuntu, Red Hat (or CentOS, etc.), Debian or SuSE. I now how much you like to spend hours hunting for files and going through dependency hell, but most people just use the installed and graphical tools to install stuff (typically packages with rpm or deb extensions). Be proud! You are more um... manly (?) than they are and while they are out doing things and getting natural sunlight you are there waiting for stuff to compile!

I understand your frustration, working in retail (Best Buy is it?), getting older (not much longer until 50?) and never being with a woman (thus the liking of National Geographic native pictures, crap like Playboy is too much for you even now), shunned by the cool (and not so cool) kids who cruelly refer to you as grandpa... and being spurned by prostitutes (couldn't pay them enough to get near you? life is rough, who knew they had minimal standards?)

I suspect that he is doing just fine with Linux and his budget, though. I doubt that he will be needing your help (moving stuff to his car, perhaps?).
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It's Star Wars
Loverock Davidson 20th Oct 2009
and don't deny yourself of Princess Leia in that slave costume.

The problem with you linux fanboys is that you make linux out to be better than it really is. Its not good, there are problems which I clearly described in my post. Compiling on linux is a fact of life. People don't want to deal with such a hassle.
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The 80's called, they want their flick back!
B.O.F.H. Updated - 20th Oct 2009
Sorry but Carrie Fisher never really thrilled me, even in 1983 (where this image , this image and even this image are from.) Perhaps it was because there were women available to me at the time. Even back then I knew about Hustler, Playboy, Screw, etc. (all better than National Geographic).

As per compilation of files in Linux, that is hardly required any more with modern package managers (apt-get, dpkg, rpm, yum, emerge, the graphical front ends to said programs). Compiling software is typically done via CI (continuous integration) systems and packaged into files stored in repositories with links to the dependencies (like the BSD Ports tree and emerge from Gentoo Linux does). Been a while for you? That is a think of the past unless you are doing custom work (or using Gentoo).

Any plans to catch up with the 1990's, I won't ask for this decade... You should let go of the past, maybe even find a real live woman! Don't worry, they won't bite you (might not even speak with you until you get some natural light and resolve that pale skin problem... natural light is not your enemy, though I don't think it will help what you are starting out with).
Repositories only work for open source and they often don't have the latest version of a program.

Ubuntu users had to compile FF 3.5 when it was first released.
http://gamblis.com/2009/07/19/how-to-install-firefox-3-5-in-ubuntu-linux/
So in one shot you slammed the following groups/companies: Microsoft (as per Windows + applications), Linux, Solaris, BSD, AIX, HP-UX. Is there any other (current/modern) group/platform that I missed with that?

As per having the latest builds in the repositories, someone has to take the time to put it out there (just the same as with any other software distribution method).

This isn't because I dissed National Geographic, is it?
It is unlikely they would have created it if they had gigabyte drives at the time.

Windows and OSX users didn't have to compile Firefox 3.5 to run it when it was first released. They even had easy access to the beta. Expecting users to compile software if they want the latest version should be an archaic concept by now.


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Really?
sporkfighter 22nd Oct 2009
Strange, I waited a week, and downloaded it from a repository.
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RE: Yhe 80's called........
fatman65535 Updated - 30th Oct 2009
Your comment: Any plans to catch up with the 1990's, I won't ask for this decade... You should let go of the past, maybe even find a real live woman!

I know where he might find a suitable woman. Go to Shark Bait on Computer World, and check out Monique or Babmbi. Then again, he may have more in common with "JIM THE BSOS"!

(Hint: Both are kind of nuts!)
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Bulls**t.
sporkfighter Updated - 22nd Oct 2009
The problem with you linux fanboys is that you make linux out to be better than it really is.

No, the problem is that you either don't have any idea what you're talking about and you're just a fool, or you do know what you're talking about and you're a liar.

Its not good, there are problems which I clearly described in my post.

Your post was wrong in every detail.

Compiling on linux is a fact of life. People don't want to deal with such a hassle.

I have five machines running Linux right now, and I have never compiled anything.
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while back on earth.....
stevey_d 20th Oct 2009
"This is just as bad as the drug dealers trying to hook the kids while they are young".

I think you're a neutron star of pure fanboy-fantasy, bending reality asymptotically to infinite fantasy as it approaches you.

Someone giving anyone's kid a Linux install is NOT ON THE SAME PLANET as giving them drugs, seriously.
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Oh really?
Loverock Davidson 20th Oct 2009
I think it is the same.
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Correction
Viva la crank dodo 20th Oct 2009
you implied you "think".
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RE: Correction
fatman65535 30th Oct 2009
Quote: you implied you "think".

Are you sure he is actually capable of cognitive function??

More likely, if he tried to "think", his brain would seg fault!
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my kids are currently having fun with my own kidsuse
http://wiki.dennyhalim.com/kidsuse

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