ERP train wrecks, failures, and lawsuits

ERP train wrecks, failures, and lawsuits

Summary: Here's a detailed list of ERP train wrecks, failures, and lawsuits.

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Erik Kimberling, CEO of Panorama Consulting, assembled a depressing list of ERP train wrecks, failures, and lawsuits. Although the compendium is hardly complete, it offers a glimpse into the variety of IT failures associated with ERP projects.

Please recognize these failures arise independently of any particular vendor, geography, industry, and so on. They are systemic across the enterprise software industry and its ecosystem of partners and customers, which I call the IT Devil's Triangle.

A recent article in the Financial Times discusses "normal accidents," a concept created by sociologist, Charles Perrow, after the Three Mile Island nuclear disaster. Perrow believes that accidents are inevitable in certain complex environments. It is worthwhile considering whether ERP is one of these environments.

High-risk situations, such as ERP, should create a strong action imperative for senior management, particularly the CIO and CFO of organizations implementing this software. At the same time, cannot let the software vendors and system integrators off the hook; they're the primary repositories of implementation experience.

Advice to enterprise buyers: Ultimately, you are responsible for the outcome of any initiative that your organization undertakes. Achieving ERP success requires serious senior management commitment and appropriate allocation of resources -- not just time and money, but also bringing the right people to the table.

In addition -- and this is important -- when you buy enterprise software and hire consultants, hold their feet to the fire to ensure your own success. For example, write contracts that tie vendor payment to successful business outcomes in addition to hourly work performed over time. If the external vendors don't have a financial stake in the success of your project, then isn't something wrong?

Here is Erik Kimberling's list of failed ERP projects and lawsuits, taken directly from his blog.

Year ERP Vendor ERP Customer Reason for ERP Failure and/or Lawsuit Further Information
2010 SAP Lumber Liquidators Problems appear to be largely related to employees having trouble acclimating to the new system, versus malfunctions in the software itself. Read the Article.
2010 JDA Software (i2) Dillard's, Inc. Dillard's had alleged i2 failed to meet obligations regarding two software-license agreements for which the department-store operator had paid $8 million. Read the Article.
2010 SAP and Deloitte Consulting Marin County, California The lawsuit alleges that Deloitte committed fraud and “misrepresented its skills and experience.” Read the Article.
2010 Capgemini and SAP Dorset County in the UK Some workers claimed a job which previously only took a minute was now taking an hour. The system still has to shut down a few days each month to allow data to be processed. Read the Article.
2009 Epicor Software Corporation Ferazzoli Imports of New England Epicor's system never worked as intended or promised. Initially paid: US$184,443.61. To date: US$224,656.42 (included the additional software and services meant to make the system operate properly). Read the article.
2009 Infor Global Solutions Vaughan & Bushnell ERP software giant Infor is taking legal action against customers as it seeks to recoup license fees it claims it is owed. An attorney for the tool company, which sued Infor in this case, confirmed that his client paid Infor something. Read the article.
2009 SAP and Axon City of San Diego The city of San Diego, CA terminated its software implementation contract with services provider, Axon, citing “systematically deficient project management practices” and a project that was running $11 million over budget. Read the article.
2009 Lawson Software Public Health Foundation Enterprises Failed ERP implementation Read the Article.
2009 Lawson Software Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth Health System Hospital chain sues Lawson Software over retiring ERP apps, a breach-of-contract. Its agreement with the ERP vendor requires Lawson to provide -- for just a small fee -- replacements for two software modules that will be decommissioned next year. Read the Article.
2008 Infor Global Solutions Carver Pump Company The company sued Infor over a disputed $451,000 invoice Infor sent Carver in August 2008 for allegedly using the Maxim ERP package without a license since 2000. Carver says it received a perpetual license from CA (which acquired Maxim's original developer, NCA) in 1998 as part of a Y2K upgrade, and claims it stopped using Maxim anyway in 2006. The companies settled out of court in November. Read the Article.
2008 SAP Levi Strauss The company was forced to take shipping systems at its three massive US distribution centers off line for a full week only to lose business and customer orders. Read the Article.
2008 SAP Waste Management Waste Management wanted an ERP package that could meet its business requirements without large amounts of custom development. Read the Article.
2008 Oracle Overstock.com "When we upgraded our system, we didn’t hook up some of the accounting wiring; however, we thought we had manual fixes in place. We’ve since found that these manual fixes missed a few of the unhooked wires." Read the Article.
2008 SAP City of Portland Portland’s SAP project, budgeted at $31 million in 2006 for a 2007 go-live date, is now estimated to be nearly $50 million. Portland has fired its systems integrator, Ariston Technologies and Consulting, and is working directly with SAP services to get the system up and running. Read the Article.
2006 Infor Global Solutions Scientific Components Scientific Components sued Infor in U.S. District Court in New York over a dispute concerning temporary license fees needed to access MAPICS running on a secondary iSeries server connected via iTera's high availability software. The companies settled in December 2006. Read the Article.
2006 Infor Global Solutions Western Textile Company The Company sued Infor over allegations by Infor that the company owed it more than $100,000 for exceeding the number of sessions in its license agreement; Western Textile claims its original license with CA was measured by concurrent users, not sessions. They settled in March 2007. Read the Article.
2004 PeopleSoft and Kaludis Consulting Group Cleveland State University A faulty installation of the company's ERP applications. The lawsuit charges PeopleSoft with breach of contract and negligent misrepresentation, among other counts, and claims PeopleSoft's solutions for managing student applications amounted to little more than "vaporware." Read the Article.
2003 Baan USA Inc. Dexter Axle Company Dexter asserted twelve claims: breach of the Software Agreement and the Consulting Aggrement, two claims of breach of express warranties, breach of implied warranties, fraudulent inducement of the Software Agreement and the Consulting Agreement, fraud, negligence, constructive fraud, statutory deception, and unjust enrichment. Read the Article.
2003 EDS British Sky Broadcasting Sky has alleged that EDS dishonestly exaggerated its abilities and resources when bidding for the contract, resulting in late delivery of the project and lost benefits that make up the the £709m in damages it is claiming Read the Article.
2001 Oracle Corporation and KPMG Consulting The University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom Considered possible legal action against Oracle and KPMG Consulting for a faulty computer system that the university estimates it spent $13 million installing, with the aid of the two companies. Read the Article.
2001 SAP (R/3) and Andersen Consulting (now Accenture) FoxMeyer Corp. The company claimed that a botched SAP R/3 implementation in the mid-1990s ruined the company, driven the company to bankruptcy. Six years later the bankruptcy trustee and Accenture settled out of court and the lawsuit was dismissed on August 8, 2002. Read the Article.
2001 SAP Arkansas State The National Federation of the Blind of Arkansas had sued the state in 2001 claiming the AASIS system was not fully accessible to blind persons. The state, in turn, filed a third-party claim against SAP, blaming the vendor for the accessibility problems. SAP agrees to fix Arkansas ERP system. Read the Article.
2000 PeopleSoft and Deloitte & Touche Gore & Associates Alleges PeopleSoft sent in unqualified consultants to do the job, forcing Gore to rely on PeopleSoft's customer service hotline to set up the program after major problems occurred when the system went live. Read the Article.
2000 Oracle Corporation Tri Valley Growers Alleging fraud, negligent misrepresentation, malpractice, and breach of contract. TVG claimed that the database giant failed to fulfill its contract to modernize the company's production and management systems using its ERP applications. Read the Article.
2000 J.D. Edwards and IBM Evans Industries Inc. The suit alleged that OneWorld was "defective and failed to operate and function as promised by the defendants." Failed and refused to fulfill its obligations under its agreements" and with IBM failed to install the OneWorld software "such that it is operational. Read the Article.
1999 SAP, Siebel, and Manugistics Hersey Foods The company was having problems with its new order-taking and distribution computer system. Read the Article.
Thanks to Paul Kedrosky for pointing me to the Financial Times article and discussion of normal accidents. Photo by Michael Krigsman.

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  • Doesn't look very "systemic" to me...

    26 failures since 1999 are listed here. I'd venture to say there were at least four times that number of failures. I'd also venture to say there were a thousand times that many successful implementations. I've been involved in maybe a hundred ERP implementations since the mid 1990s and only one failed. There were many reasons for that failure, all of which came down to the people involved in the implementation. When a company decides to lay down the kind of expenditure that comes with an ERP implementation, all feet need to be held to the fire...both internally and externally. When the people on all sides understand that responsibility for tasks belongs to them and there are consequences for failing to complete those tasks, things get done and generally get done right the first time. Without consequences, tasks languish, get done sloppily and sometimes don't get done at all.
    jasonp@...
    • RE: ERP train wrecks, failures, and lawsuits

      @jasonp@... <br><br>It all depends on how you define "failure." Significant numbers of ERP projects are late, over budget, or do not fully meet anticipated needs. In addition, as the post makes clear, this list is representative but hardly complete.
      mkrigsman@...
      • Late, over budget does not equal failed implementation...

        @mkrigsman@...
        I view a successful implementation as one that resulted in all requirements met without grossly exceeding time or budgetary expectations. ERP implemtations are a lot like a flight on an airplane. You only hear about the one that went down, the ones that were cancelled or the ones that were grossly delayed. You never about the tens of thousands that made it to their destination safely and reasonably on time. If they ran 10 minutes late, most rational people wouldn't consider it a failed flight. If they got charged extra for bringing too much luggage, they probably won't consider the flight a failure as long as they land safely at their destination.

        What the post doesn't even attempt to make clear is that failed implementations are far and away the exception and not the rule. This is what I do for a living, so I see both sides of the equation every day. An ERP implementation is no different from any other large-scale project that involves the entire company, external vendors and sometimes even customers. Plans are in a constant state of flux and the real measure of success or failure can only be measured at the end of the project. Milestones help to guage how well the project is moving towards success, but they don't define success or failure.

        Of the hundred or so of successful implementations I've been involved in, probably two-thirds were completed within the original time and budgetary expectations. Five or six exceeded budgetary expectations because of external requirements not considered by the client at the time the project plan was put together. The projects that exceeded time expectations did so for numerous reasons, both internal and external, but none of the time overruns impacted the companies ability to run its business.
        jasonp@...
    • oh oh zzzzz why; not using System/Z he he he

      @jasonp@...

      Working in the Pink Diamond Mine.... large discovery....
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      zCICS; zVSAM; zSORT etc... etc... etc...

      read all about it !!!!!!!!!! Then Try IT !!!!!!!!

      Supporting Newest z196 instruction set execution through emulation x86 & x64 in JAVA

      Interfaced with IBM DB2 Express-C batch SQL capabilities; [ I actually help in doing some of this, really ]

      Deployed onto the CloudShare Pro CLOUD [ I actually DID this in Jan of 2011, really ]

      Running on Win & Linux or J2SE supported platform's

      100% JAVA Open Source... 100% F R E E ...

      caution... please, read the ton's and ton's of documentation provided, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, ton's and ton's of examples, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, join the group, and read all of the group posting's from the beginning, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, ask questions, you will be amazed at the cut right to the chase on the subject requiring attention,
      it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, you might find yourself rummaging around the attic or garage for that dang old source code you developed back when,
      that may not save you time...
      caution... please, you might just actually save your company and you, very serious monies...
      caution... please, SHARE, share, ShArE, sHaRe...
      caution... please, introduce yourself, you just might find that Old Code Slinger Buddy from back a while ago, you forgot about...
      caution... please, don't take my word for it, that it WORK's, try it, you find a REAL BUG [$ 1.00 reward ],
      Mr. Don Higgin's will rule if it a BUG or NOT...
      caution... please, believe found myself doing that nasty bit fiddling thing again,
      and I can do that in xxxx instructions, like name that tune...
      caution... please, believe found bunche's of JAVA, IBM HLASM Assembler, COBOL, WIN, LINUX & etc........
      WIZARD's still exist, that were locked away in the back room like me.
      caution... please, O P E N S O U R C E is the only way to GO...
      caution... please, you can donate or not donate, that is entirely up to YOU...
      caution... please, it is advisable, to look out the window and see if the sun has risen...
      caution... please, Lot's of thing's to get involved with, no offer of assistance has ever been refused so far...
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  • de ja vu

    Even going back and reading a few of the article trains (chuckle) it still seems to boil down to two major issues:
    1 failure of senior management to engage at a deep level and "own" the project
    2 Failure to spend the effort to define detailed specific user requirements

    repetitive de ja vu......
    rhonin
    • RE: ERP train wrecks, failures, and lawsuits

      @zenwalker

      Deja vu, indeed, but why??? Why all this repetition and why haven't we learned to do it better?
      mkrigsman@...
      • RE: ERP train wrecks, failures, and lawsuits

        @mkrigsman@... Some have learned, some haven't. Having managed and participated in several successful ERP implementations over the years (and stayed clear of a few I felt sure would fail), the difference between success and failure to my POV lies in a few key points:

        A) Awareness - doing an ERP project is like wrestling with a greased octopus. Huge and with many, many tentacles, ERP goals and parameters have a way of moving around endlessly in an environment where pinning down the details is essential. If upper management isn't completely, totally, unmistakably and consistently committed to finding out exactly what's required to succeed, there's little chance the effort will fly.

        B) Real World Commitment - Once a clear road map is defined, there MUST be a company wide, truly universal refusal to accept less than "whatever it takes" to complete ALL required tasks to spec. The greased octopus won't end up in the box if essential tasks are missed or fumbled.

        C) Sage Flexibility - goals and parameters WILL change during the span of most ERP projects. Upper management must be in a position to make keenly informed, soundly reasoned decisions about how these changed will be dealt with. "Assumptions A, B and C just changed ... what is the real impact of those changes, what are our options, which option can be demonstrated to optimize our position?" Without that kind of clear, insightful response to shifting realities, even a well launched ERP project can begin spinning out of control. If there's no one in the Exec team in a position to make these calls, ERP isn't likely to fly.
        Trep Ford
    • yeah blame someone else... BECUZ of your failure to PROTECT...

      @zenwalker

      Working in the Pink Diamond Mine.... large discovery....
      Create Chaos Pandoria13

      A very unique occurrence in nature has been found;
      analyzed; assessed; weighed; tested; enhanced;
      implemented and deployed in the pink diamond mine's of the Mainframes'.

      www.z390.org and www.zCOBOL

      zCICS; zVSAM; zSORT etc... etc... etc...

      read all about it !!!!!!!!!! Then Try IT !!!!!!!!

      Supporting Newest z196 instruction set execution through emulation x86 & x64 in JAVA

      Interfaced with IBM DB2 Express-C batch SQL capabilities; [ I actually help in doing some of this, really ]

      Deployed onto the CloudShare Pro CLOUD [ I actually DID this in Jan of 2011, really ]

      Running on Win & Linux or J2SE supported platform's

      100% JAVA Open Source... 100% F R E E ...

      caution... please, read the ton's and ton's of documentation provided, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, ton's and ton's of examples, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, join the group, and read all of the group posting's from the beginning, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, ask questions, you will be amazed at the cut right to the chase on the subject requiring attention,
      it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, you might find yourself rummaging around the attic or garage for that dang old source code you developed back when,
      that may not save you time...
      caution... please, you might just actually save your company and you, very serious monies...
      caution... please, SHARE, share, ShArE, sHaRe...
      caution... please, introduce yourself, you just might find that Old Code Slinger Buddy from back a while ago, you forgot about...
      caution... please, don't take my word for it, that it WORK's, try it, you find a REAL BUG [$ 1.00 reward ],
      Mr. Don Higgin's will rule if it a BUG or NOT...
      caution... please, believe found myself doing that nasty bit fiddling thing again,
      and I can do that in xxxx instructions, like name that tune...
      caution... please, believe found bunche's of JAVA, IBM HLASM Assembler, COBOL, WIN, LINUX & etc........
      WIZARD's still exist, that were locked away in the back room like me.
      caution... please, O P E N S O U R C E is the only way to GO...
      caution... please, you can donate or not donate, that is entirely up to YOU...
      caution... please, it is advisable, to look out the window and see if the sun has risen...
      caution... please, Lot's of thing's to get involved with, no offer of assistance has ever been refused so far...
      caution... please, ... ... ... .... .... flower box's are still kool

      caution... please, Adviable to Display Entering Pink Diamond Mine Unlimited Work Zone Area...

      Pandoria13@hotmail.com

      2011 is gonna,,,,, Rock
      Page-Cray
  • if you look at the list there probally all M$ based ERP

    which is the reason they failed so miserably!
    Ron Bergundy
    • GOD ALMIGHTY who the HELL are UU... a EXPERT..

      @Ron Bergundy

      Working in the Pink Diamond Mine.... large discovery....
      Create Chaos Pandoria13

      A very unique occurrence in nature has been found;
      analyzed; assessed; weighed; tested; enhanced;
      implemented and deployed in the pink diamond mine's of the Mainframes'.

      www.z390.org and www.zCOBOL

      zCICS; zVSAM; zSORT etc... etc... etc...

      read all about it !!!!!!!!!! Then Try IT !!!!!!!!

      Supporting Newest z196 instruction set execution through emulation x86 & x64 in JAVA

      Interfaced with IBM DB2 Express-C batch SQL capabilities; [ I actually help in doing some of this, really ]

      Deployed onto the CloudShare Pro CLOUD [ I actually DID this in Jan of 2011, really ]

      Running on Win & Linux or J2SE supported platform's

      100% JAVA Open Source... 100% F R E E ...

      caution... please, read the ton's and ton's of documentation provided, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, ton's and ton's of examples, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, join the group, and read all of the group posting's from the beginning, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, ask questions, you will be amazed at the cut right to the chase on the subject requiring attention,
      it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, you might find yourself rummaging around the attic or garage for that dang old source code you developed back when,
      that may not save you time...
      caution... please, you might just actually save your company and you, very serious monies...
      caution... please, SHARE, share, ShArE, sHaRe...
      caution... please, introduce yourself, you just might find that Old Code Slinger Buddy from back a while ago, you forgot about...
      caution... please, don't take my word for it, that it WORK's, try it, you find a REAL BUG [$ 1.00 reward ],
      Mr. Don Higgin's will rule if it a BUG or NOT...
      caution... please, believe found myself doing that nasty bit fiddling thing again,
      and I can do that in xxxx instructions, like name that tune...
      caution... please, believe found bunche's of JAVA, IBM HLASM Assembler, COBOL, WIN, LINUX & etc........
      WIZARD's still exist, that were locked away in the back room like me.
      caution... please, O P E N S O U R C E is the only way to GO...
      caution... please, you can donate or not donate, that is entirely up to YOU...
      caution... please, it is advisable, to look out the window and see if the sun has risen...
      caution... please, Lot's of thing's to get involved with, no offer of assistance has ever been refused so far...
      caution... please, ... ... ... .... .... flower box's are still kool

      caution... please, Adviable to Display Entering Pink Diamond Mine Unlimited Work Zone Area...

      Pandoria13@hotmail.com

      2011 is gonna,,,,, Rock
      Page-Cray
  • The New ERP Suites are Transformational

    Nothing that's transformational is either easy or trouble free- the aviation and space programs all had their disasters, but they ultimately transformed our life style.

    The new ERP Software Suites are also absolutely transformational. Once, the bugs are fixed, they would not just increase the productivity- numerous folds, but also transform the way businesses plan, envisage, conceptualize, simulate, realize, compete, adapt, perform, outperform and deliver.

    These are game-changing or transformational applications.

    All you need to do is to take a closer look at some of these ERP Suites, and you'd realize that their impact is likely to be akin to the tech revolution of the 90s all over again;and of course with accompanying productivity gains.

    Regardless of how good or bad the suites are, the emphasis has to be on the efficiency of the human resource to utilize them at the optimal levels.
    Khushal69
  • Expectation

    Complex systems have more points that can experience failure its common sense, and how complex or dynamic an environments can provide more stress in which the system "lives." <br><br>Many of these ERP systems are sold on their simplicity to implement or drive business change. This is a false hope. Change is never simple. And if the more processes or human workflows that affected the greater the change and the more complex the situation. If these processes or workflows affect other processes or workflows, the complexity increases. <br>I suspect that making "simpler" implementations will push the point of failure further down the chain because it pushes the complex issues into the future. Management needs to understand this and understand that:<br><br>* Change is complex<br><br>* Enterprise implementations are complex<br><br>* Business is dynamic and todays conditions or issues may be different tomorrow. IT-powered business initiatives that dont address may succeed w.r.t. time and scope, but may fail in meeting the new business realities. Initiatives that are dynamic will most likely blow out the schedule and budget, but hopefully address the realities as the future becomes the present.
    elizab
    • Your statement is an INABILITY to C O m P U T e....azz

      @elizab

      Working in the Pink Diamond Mine.... large discovery....
      Create Chaos Pandoria13

      A very unique occurrence in nature has been found;
      analyzed; assessed; weighed; tested; enhanced;
      implemented and deployed in the pink diamond mine's of the Mainframes'.

      www.z390.org and www.zCOBOL

      zCICS; zVSAM; zSORT etc... etc... etc...

      read all about it !!!!!!!!!! Then Try IT !!!!!!!!

      Supporting Newest z196 instruction set execution through emulation x86 & x64 in JAVA

      Interfaced with IBM DB2 Express-C batch SQL capabilities; [ I actually help in doing some of this, really ]

      Deployed onto the CloudShare Pro CLOUD [ I actually DID this in Jan of 2011, really ]

      Running on Win & Linux or J2SE supported platform's

      100% JAVA Open Source... 100% F R E E ...

      caution... please, read the ton's and ton's of documentation provided, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, ton's and ton's of examples, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, join the group, and read all of the group posting's from the beginning, it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, ask questions, you will be amazed at the cut right to the chase on the subject requiring attention,
      it saves you a lot of time...
      caution... please, you might find yourself rummaging around the attic or garage for that dang old source code you developed back when,
      that may not save you time...
      caution... please, you might just actually save your company and you, very serious monies...
      caution... please, SHARE, share, ShArE, sHaRe...
      caution... please, introduce yourself, you just might find that Old Code Slinger Buddy from back a while ago, you forgot about...
      caution... please, don't take my word for it, that it WORK's, try it, you find a REAL BUG [$ 1.00 reward ],
      Mr. Don Higgin's will rule if it a BUG or NOT...
      caution... please, believe found myself doing that nasty bit fiddling thing again,
      and I can do that in xxxx instructions, like name that tune...
      caution... please, believe found bunche's of JAVA, IBM HLASM Assembler, COBOL, WIN, LINUX & etc........
      WIZARD's still exist, that were locked away in the back room like me.
      caution... please, O P E N S O U R C E is the only way to GO...
      caution... please, you can donate or not donate, that is entirely up to YOU...
      caution... please, it is advisable, to look out the window and see if the sun has risen...
      caution... please, Lot's of thing's to get involved with, no offer of assistance has ever been refused so far...
      caution... please, ... ... ... .... .... flower box's are still kool

      caution... please, Adviable to Display Entering Pink Diamond Mine Unlimited Work Zone Area...

      Pandoria13@hotmail.com

      2011 is gonna,,,,, Rock
      Page-Cray
  • EXPERTS go GET UR EXPERTS this is BUILT BY EXPERTS...

    YOU are NOT.....

    azz....

    Working in the Pink Diamond Mine.... large discovery....
    Create Chaos Pandoria13

    A very unique occurrence in nature has been found;
    analyzed; assessed; weighed; tested; enhanced;
    implemented and deployed in the pink diamond mine's of the Mainframes'.

    www.z390.org and www.zCOBOL

    zCICS; zVSAM; zSORT etc... etc... etc...

    read all about it !!!!!!!!!! Then Try IT !!!!!!!!

    Supporting Newest z196 instruction set execution through emulation x86 & x64 in JAVA

    Interfaced with IBM DB2 Express-C batch SQL capabilities; [ I actually help in doing some of this, really ]

    Deployed onto the CloudShare Pro CLOUD [ I actually DID this in Jan of 2011, really ]

    Running on Win & Linux or J2SE supported platform's

    100% JAVA Open Source... 100% F R E E ...

    caution... please, read the ton's and ton's of documentation provided, it saves you a lot of time...
    caution... please, ton's and ton's of examples, it saves you a lot of time...
    caution... please, join the group, and read all of the group posting's from the beginning, it saves you a lot of time...
    caution... please, ask questions, you will be amazed at the cut right to the chase on the subject requiring attention,
    it saves you a lot of time...
    caution... please, you might find yourself rummaging around the attic or garage for that dang old source code you developed back when,
    that may not save you time...
    caution... please, you might just actually save your company and you, very serious monies...
    caution... please, SHARE, share, ShArE, sHaRe...
    caution... please, introduce yourself, you just might find that Old Code Slinger Buddy from back a while ago, you forgot about...
    caution... please, don't take my word for it, that it WORK's, try it, you find a REAL BUG [$ 1.00 reward ],
    Mr. Don Higgin's will rule if it a BUG or NOT...
    caution... please, believe found myself doing that nasty bit fiddling thing again,
    and I can do that in xxxx instructions, like name that tune...
    caution... please, believe found bunche's of JAVA, IBM HLASM Assembler, COBOL, WIN, LINUX & etc........
    WIZARD's still exist, that were locked away in the back room like me.
    caution... please, O P E N S O U R C E is the only way to GO...
    caution... please, you can donate or not donate, that is entirely up to YOU...
    caution... please, it is advisable, to look out the window and see if the sun has risen...
    caution... please, Lot's of thing's to get involved with, no offer of assistance has ever been refused so far...
    caution... please, ... ... ... .... .... flower box's are still kool

    caution... please, Adviable to Display Entering Pink Diamond Mine Unlimited Work Zone Area...

    Pandoria13@hotmail.com

    2011 is gonna,,,,, Rock
    Page-Cray
  • RE: ERP train wrecks, failures, and lawsuits

    Many ERP failures at SMBs are almost ordained from day one, when the persons tasked with the implementation, often not those who sold or purchased, decide the system is not going to work. <br><br>12-24 months later, settlement ensues.
    clibou
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