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Failing with online backup

By | June 30, 2009, 4:03pm PDT

Summary: Seeking to back up 350GB in safe, reliable, off-site storage, I tried both Carbonite and Mozy. Both products failed miserably to achieve my goals, each one in a perversely different way.

Seeking to back up 350GB in safe, reliable, off-site storage, I tried Carbonite and Mozy, two of the most respected names in the online backup market. Both products failed miserably to achieve my goals, each one in a perversely different way.

Carbonite offers a simple, set-and-forget solution that should make life easy. In my case, something bad happened along the way because I can no longer restore files reliably. This screen capture shows what happens when I try to restore files using the company’s remote access feature:

As you can see, Carbonite can’t find my selected file. Would this message inspire confidence that your backup is safe?

Carbonite tech support was quite helpful trying to diagnose and solve the problem. However, my luck ran out after support submitted the issue to the developers for further research and fixing. At that stage, support essentially said the developers will handle my issue when they want, with no time horizon and not even a pat on the back.

Based on that interaction, I decided to try Mozy instead.

Mozy takes a somewhat more configurable approach to its backup software, which I like. I transferred the first 200GB of data to Mozy with no problems and reasonably fast upload speeds of 1.5Mbps. Recently, however, my upload speed decreased to a level where large backups are no longer practical. This dialog box shows my current upload rate, which is slower than a dialup modem:

Mozy support is singularly unhelpful, sending canned solutions and ignoring the actual problem descriptions in my emails.

My new backup solution. Since the need for offsite backup remains, I plan to install a remote hard drive at a friend’s house and use a backup program to transfer my data for safekeeping.

Given the economics of software as a service (SaaS) vendors, poor support is hardly a surprise. These vendors survive by keeping costs low, so they can offer inexpensive prices to consumers. Both Carbonite and Mozy charge about five bucks a month, which doesn’t leave much room for in-depth customer assistance.

My lousy backup experience illustrates both positive and negative aspects of cheap cloud computing. When the cloud works, everything is great; but woe unto him (or her) that hits a speed bump.

Update 7/3/09: Following this post, I heard from David Friend, CEO of Carbonite, who was clearly distressed by the state of affairs. He said Carbonite identified the bug causing the problems and will issue a fix.

I did receive a perfunctory follow-up email from Mozy support asking whether their previous suggestions were helpful. I responded by suggesting they read this post.

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  • Ah, the joys of online backup
    What all of these vendors fail to tell people
    is that there is not enough bandwidth for large
    backups such as yours. It makes fulls near
    impossible within a reasonable amount of time.

    That said, you may want to try a copy of Backup
    Exec System Recovery.

    Backup to a removeable disk target
    (USB,firewire,NAS,ETC), and have it send a 2nd
    copy via FTP somewhere in the one job policy.
    At that point you're paying for web hosting
    space, or a buddy's Internet connection.

    D/L the trial, I think it's only about $60 or
    so MSRP, which you can later turn into a
    purchased copy.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    unredeemed
    30th Jun 2009
  • ZDNet Blogger

    I assume you work for Backup Exec?
    To be clear, my problems have nothing to do with the initial backup time. If the system works, I would have been happy for the initial backup to take 3-4 weeks to complete.

    My problem was reliability, not backup time, so I dispute your initial premise about bandwidth availability.

    ZDNet Gravatar
    mkrigsman@...
    30th Jun 2009
  • get your names right.
    I dont work for "Backup Exec." Is that even a
    company? But for reliability, the companies you
    chose are not known for it. Try Iron Mountain,
    and cough cough, perhaps Symantec.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    unredeemed
    30th Jun 2009
  • Large backups impractical to Cloud
    This is very true -- backing up hundreds of
    megs to the Cloud is just not practical for
    most of us. My cable provider offers download
    speeds of ten mbps or so, which is great -- but
    upload is very slow.

    After trying to upload to Mozy several times,
    and finding my system still trying to complete
    the upload after three or four days, with no
    end in sight, I gave it up. As noted in this
    article, Support at Mozy was no help.

    I back up to twin external USB drives. Only
    problem is the PITA step of putting one in a
    fire safe or, as suggested elsewhere, moving it
    offsite. For daily or even weekly backups, this
    is simply not going to happen for most users.

    Real, reliable, "DO-ABLE" backup still remains
    to be discovered.
    --mac
    ZDNet Gravatar
    mcwong
    1st Jul 2009
  • Success with both with 40GB of backups
    I'm not sure what caused the errors you've encountered but I've tried both Mozy & Carbonite on five machines with various Windows XP/Vista configurations. I've never had an error during backup or restores.

    Ultimately, it was a user friendly feature as opposed to performance issue that won my vote. I liked how Carbonite provides a colored file manager icon which visually lets me know whether a file has been stored on-line (green) or not (orange).

    nb: I have no affiliation with any backup providers nor with firms who have affiliations with any backup providers.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    dancrawford
    1st Jul 2009
  • pcAnywhere is the only...
    solution I use for off site storage. I transfers only the portion that has changed. As long as the host isn't running Vista. Disconnects are very common. XP works flawlessly however.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    bjbrock
    30th Jun 2009
  • rsync
    Here's where the beauty of Linux shines. The folks I service who have a Linux file server get an rsync off site backup done automatically every night, to my own server, a service I offer them for free.

    I'm paying for my bandwidth anyway, but I must say rsync (over ssh, i.e. encrypted btw) doesn't use much bandwidth at all.

    oh, they get the server software for free, too. =D

    I've never trusted anyone else to handle my client's critical data.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    pgit
    1st Jul 2009
  • Just curious...
    Did you pay for either of these services? I certainly hope not.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    canyouhearmenow2
    30th Jun 2009
  • ZDNet Blogger

    Of course I paid
    And I used both services extensively.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    mkrigsman@...
    30th Jun 2009
  • RE: Failing with online backup
    Michael,

    I'd like to invite you to give Cucku Backup a try.
    It's a peer-to-peer solution that includes both
    sneakernet and remote backup. You export the initial
    backup to an external hard drive, import on a second
    system (friend, family member, second PC) and then new
    changes files are sent automatically via Skype.

    Rob Ellison
    CEO, Cucku Inc.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    RobEllison
    30th Jun 2009
  • Design suggestion for Cucku ...
    ... the Skype tie-in is off-putting: get rid of it. [Yes, I know you have to both hide and secure a potentially dynamic IP address for me the idiot user ... and then some.]
    ZDNet Gravatar
    johnfenjackson@...
    1st Jul 2009
  • Re: Design suggestion for Cucku
    Thanks johnfenjackson, we're working on this at
    the moment. Skype is a great transport but we know
    it doesn't work for everyone so we'll have a few
    more options available soon.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    RobEllison
    1st Jul 2009
  • Internet Speed is THE PROBLEM!
    Do the math. Assume 2 Mega-bits per second (quite fast for home users) UPLOAD speed (usually significantly slower that the download speed), 500 giga-bytes of data, 50% of your bandwidth, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Those conditions will take 1.3 YEARS just to upload the data -- no packet overhead, server delays, checksums, re-transmission, etc.

    1.3 Years!!!

    Do you leave your PC on 24/7? Do you allow a backup solution to take 50% of your bandwidth?

    If we drop to 10% bandwidth, 24/7, it will take 6.49 YEARS to transfer that same 500GB.

    It could be easily solved by Carbonite or any other company (like Cucko), simply by sending a hard drive out, backing up the first time, sending the hard drive back, company puts the data online, with incremental backups from then on. The is exactly what Carbonite does, in reverse, when you need to restore your complete system. Why not it at the front end?

    Backups and translations into "future format" is an "opportunity" for someone....
    ZDNet Gravatar
    hnoyes
    1st Jul 2009
  • Re: Internet Speed is THE PROBLEM!
    hnoyes, this is exactly what Cucku's export
    feature does - you put the backup on an external
    drive and them import it on the partner system (we
    do remote backup to a friend, family member, or
    second PC). This works the same way in reverse for
    restoring files. If you use backup export you only
    need to send new and changed files over the
    Internet.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    RobEllison
    1st Jul 2009
  • Hybrid Solution
    iDrive already has a solution called iDrive Portable which combines a portable hard drive based initial backup with the online 'Continuous' backup which captures changes. You can purchase a drive from them or use your own. Customer service is excellent, pricing is reasonable, and the software works very well.

    You can find them at:
    https://www.idrive.com/idrivee/jsp/ide_partner_signup.jsp?p=midsolv
    ZDNet Gravatar
    john@...
    1st Jul 2009

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