End users explode cloud myths at #ODE10

Summary: With refreshing frankness, end user executives have 'fessed up' that cloud ERP is more reliable, more secure and less risky than the on-premise alternatives, speaking in a user panel at OnDemand Europe 2010 in London today.

I've been sitting in a user panel taking place at the SIIA OnDemand Europe conference in London, and greatly enjoying the sentiments expressed by two customers of Plex Systems. The Michigan-based company's SaaS ERP system for manufacturers is less well known than those of competitors from Silicon Valley, but it's got a strong track record, as you can hear in this podcast interview I recorded with CEO Mark Symonds earlier this year.

There was a refreshing frankness in the air as these end user executives 'fessed up that cloud ERP was more reliable, more secure and less risky than the on-premise alternatives. Anyone reading this blog will have heard me saying these things before, but it makes quite a change to hear it direct from the mouths of real-world business executives.

Hubert Gassner, CFO of Invensys Controls, a publicly quoted manufacturer of control equipment, flatly stated that the service levels available from a cloud provider were clearly superior than what could be achieved with in-house systems. Cloud computing meant his company could stop worrying about technology operations and instead focus on its core business.

"We will be 100% cloud within 18 months," he revealed. "I don't want to be keeping the lights on. We make widgets. It's about innovation in the widgets space ... it's about logistics, it's about information on what's going on in your business, real-time. It's about staying competitive, and about business risk mitigation and risk management."

Saugatuck Technology CEO and leading SaaS analyst Bill McNee, who was moderating the panel, drilled into what Gassner meant by risk mitigation. It turns out he wasn't talking about the risks of cloud failure, as you might have thought. Instead he was looking forward to being in a better position to respond to business challenges — mitigating business risk — because of the real-time information that a cloud application provides.

There were new risks to take into account, he admitted. For example, as a publicly quoted company, he had to be aware of the new risk of insider trading by employees of the cloud provider having access to his company's data. But this was simply a new risk to be aware of and to manage, rather than a showstopper.

In any case, added Ben Stewart, commercial IT manager of Inteva Products, the notion that on-premise systems aren't exposed to outsiders is something of a myth. When his company started looking at the use of cloud providers, his team quickly realized they were already relying on third parties in their on-premise infrastructure. They were already hosting their servers at a data center in Canada and using two third-party outsourcers to manage their applications — with some staff involved based in India. "So having it hosted by Plex down the road in Michigan," he concluded, "was actually exposing it to fewer hands."

Topics: Cloud, CXO, Data Centers, Emerging Tech, Security

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  • Having seen all the compromised systems in the cloud...

    ...I think these people are running away from buyer's remorse. More reliable? More secure?

    Given the dismal history of *all* the major cloud providers, and given the more complex something is the more security holes it will have, well, anyone using cloud ERP of all things is a casualty waiting to happen.
    wolf_z
  • RE: End users explode cloud myths at #ODE10

    Hopefully they have calculated whether the savings of the cloud will be enough to cover their losses when they can't access their system for a period of time. There have been so many high profile problems with cloud providers in past few years, Amazon EC2, Google Apps, GoDaddy, Akamai, it makes me wonder if it really is worth it. And while these companys could make the most reliable infrastructure possible you still have many more points of failure in between that you did not have with an onsite solution. We recently had an issue with major packet loss to GoDaddy's systems. It was weeks of finger pointing between GoDaddy and multiple ISPs in between before it was resolved.
    CFD220
    • You forgot the biggest one

      @CFD220 You forgot MS Azure with the 90 a month random downtime.
      wackoae
      • RE: End users explode cloud myths at #ODE10

        @wackoae Ahhh yes how could I leave out MS. Them too.
        CFD220
  • Interesting article, interesting comments!

    Phil, thanks for writing about this, and demonstrating that there are, in fact, companies that trust cloud services for their most mission critical applications.

    I certainly appreciate the concern mentioned in the above comments for avoiding downtime and maintaining business continuity for our customers, but to paint all cloud providers with the same brush seems a bit naive at best, and something of a hatchet job at worst. Clearly someone using a department-specific, non-mission-critical app has completely different uptime requirements (and budgets!) than someone choosing an ERP solution for a manufacturing company - and the providers of those two types of solutions should have completely different types of infrastructures and redundancies. As an enterprise-class solution, Plex Online had to go far beyond redundant server configurations in a single data center; we have fully redundant data centers, with data replication between the two, enabling us to deliver world-class recovery point objectives (RPO) and recovery time objectives (RTO). I would guess that most cloud providers aren't even conversant in these terms - but then again, neither are many IT departments. This level of redundancy is far, far beyond the reach of most companies who depend on internally managed systems.

    As always, I look forward to reading your future posts.

    Regards,
    Patrick Fetterman
    VP Marketing
    Plex Systems, Inc.
    pfetterman
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