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How much does Exchange really cost?

By | November 15, 2008, 5:14am PST

Summary: Serena Software says it will save $750,000 when it junks Exchange in favor of Google Apps at the end of this year. But some say the numbers don’t add up, wondering how an 800-employee company spends a million dollars a year running its email servers in the first place.

A heated discussion is raging in the comments to a Clint Boulton eWeek article about Serena Software’s decision to switch from Microsoft Exchange to Google Apps.

Google AppsWhat is at issue is the true cost of running Exchange. Serena says that junking Exchange in favor of Google Apps will slash its costs from $1 million a year down to $250,000. Many of the commenters are wondering how an 800-employee company manages to blow an eight-figure sum on running its email servers, and the debate throws an intriguing light on how people evaluate the relative costs of on-premise software against in-the-cloud alternatives. Here’s one of the commenter’s calculations:

“800 CALs at retail pricing is $67 x 800 = $53,600. Exchange Enterprise Edition is $3,999. Let’s assume they have two servers: $7,998. Let’s also throw in the Software Assurance CAL of $35 x 800 = $28K. Two beefy servers at $10K each = $20K. Two full time Exchange administrators at $100K/year = $200K. Total = $309,598/year.”

Serena’s VP of corporate communications responded, explaining that ancillary costs such as spam filtering, security, archiving and disaster recovery (DR) accounted for much of the total cost:

“Here is how we factored our costs, basic Exchange costs (CALs, SAs and the like) paired with Postini is around $500k. That’s not our full costs though … where the costs really start adding up is in storage and disaster recovery (particularly when you consider we have DR plans for 18 countries). So when you take unified messaging, storage, DR and admin costs which come to $500k and add the original $500k we were looking at $1 million USD per year as a total.”

That hasn’t cooled the debate, with several Exchange hosters weighing in to say they can provide an equivalent raft of services for a much lower all-in cost. But the discussion does underline how easy it is to underestimate the cost of an on-premise application if you don’t factor in all the associated extras — not just the theoretical costs of the software, hardware and day-to-day operations but also the often-overlooked costs of managing patches and upgrades to each of those ancillary tools as well as the core package itself (not to mention the management time expended on explaining over and over again to users why they can’t have Gmail-like 6GB mailboxes). In fact Mimecast, a company based near me in London, has a thriving SaaS business providing all those ancillary services around Exchange, leaving its customers to run just the bare Exchange servers on-premise.

Has Serena over-stated its Exchange costs? I suspect not, given the kind of headaches I know Exchange causes many companies of its size. With operations spread across the globe, it makes perfect sense to leverage Google’s global infrastructure rather than struggling to maintain its own internal email empire.

But Serena does have a vested interest in talking up the cloud story, given its own strategic commitment to become a SaaS vendor. I was especially interested to note from the eWeek story that Serena has “no current plan to jettison SharePoint,” which staffers use for collaboration. That rather contradicts last year’s story that Serena runs its intranet on Facebook (I was skeptical at the time). So I suspect the transition to Gmail may not be as abrupt as the eWeek story suggests, and Serena will continue to spend on Exchange for a while yet until it can get all its users to switch over.

All this argument over details, however, obscures the core message of this story, which is that running Google Apps as your corporate email system is demonstrably and significantly cheaper than Microsoft Exchange. Anyone who seeks to argue otherwise is significantly understating the true costs of running Exchange on-premise.

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RE: How much does Exchange really cost?
aihirwa 11th Nov 2009
1500000THB IN US DOLLAR
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frgough 15th Nov 2008
what additional hidden costs? Those two Exchange admins aren't just shelf ornaments you pay $100k a year for. They administer the system. All your patches, maintenance, and other "hidden" costs aren't hidden at all; they are accounted for in the cost of your admins.

The only reason this gets complicated is because someone with an agenda or who is trying to sell you something makes it complicated on purpose.
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You do know...
914four 17th Nov 2008
...that downtime is also a cost? Exchange servers require maintenance, and they do tend to get corrupted and require restoring. While they are being patched and restored people are not productive and there is a cost associated with that. Picture 20 hours of downtime a year (not unheard of with Exchange) with 800 people billable at $100 an hour, you get $1.6M a year. Now those people can do other things, but lets say one misses an email that would have brought in an order. If that customer goes elsewhere because they didn't get a response in time, what is the cost? What if they can't email an RFP response by the deadline because email is down?
About 9 years ago I did some work with a Transportation Industry customer who at that time didn't consider their email a critical system. They had two drives in the same RAID set fail on their Exchange server and lost a days email. They later calculated the lost at over $100,000, not counting the hardware. And this is a customer who made large, expensive objects that take months to build. Imagine a law firm or a stock brokerage firm, and the hidden costs skyrocket.
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Ummm......Backup is the answer
OhTheHumanity 17th Nov 2008
So you start out by bashing Exchange from what you hear I take it. Then end up with an example of a hardware issue that happened to be the server that was running exchange. Nothing to do with Exchange at all. The way I go about not missing emails is by using a store and forward from my ISP. If my server goes down, they take all my email for me and then once I am back up they ship all the email to our server leaving us with no lost emails. Not sure where exchange would be down for 20 hours in a year, I would like to see the condition of these servers and how they are configured because that is not good and should never happen. Exchange has always been one of the most rock solid pieces of software I have ever been around and that is alot of software. It takes some know how, but once you have it you can keep exchange running to your hearts content. It really is very simple and easy to use even after they have changed it to mostly being a command line driven configuration. Easy as pie really.
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Trust me, I do know Exchange Backup
914four 17th Nov 2008
I have designed dozens of backup scenarios that made use of VSS integration with storage arrays point in time copy applications (HP's Business Copy or EMC's Timefinder for example) to do regular hourly or on the 1/3 hour running backups throughout the day and even one with CDC allowing for to-the-second restore. I have been working on D2D2T projects for over 7 years, and do know a bit about it. I will admit I haven't done any Exchange projects in the last 8 months however, so my information may be a little out of date. Having worked with Microsoft since Windows version 1.10 though, I doubt they've fixed everything since last spring.
By the nature of your post I am guessing you've little experience with large Exchange environments because they do get corruption, it's a question of when not if, and when you are talking uptime, it comes down to how quickly it's found and corrected. Your mention of The way I go about not missing emails is by using a store and forward from my ISP. If my server goes down, they take all my email for me and then once I am back up they ship all the email to our server leaving us with no lost emails. is another indication. Global enterprises typically don't go through an ISP for mail services, they would have their own presence on the network, so in effect they are their own ISP. Imagine getting a notice from Microsoft that their mail server was down and try resending later to get an idea of the importance of keeping email running. One of the recommendations I always make if to keep datastores to less than 500GB, usually 150-200GB, and have several of them. This makes recovering or restoring them faster and easier to manage, even if it makes more work for the SAN administrator. I am always horrified when I hear customers discussing 2TB datastores, that's a recipe for disaster (those are the 20 hours downtime cases).
Lastly, I gave that example (even if it is 9 years old) because it was rather traumatic for me, I was berated by the customer for being right. He felt I hadn't insisted strongly enough...

Remember, just because you are successful racing go-karts doesn't mean you can compete in Formula One.
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Mythical Creatures
Dr. John 17th Nov 2008
Until today, I'd always lumped admins who actually liked Exchange in with the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and other mythical beings.

Damn! Now I'm going to have to rethink the whole deal.

Wait! It's mid-November already! Crap!!! Gotta start being nice!!!
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I agree
914four 17th Nov 2008
But since he made the statement "Exchange has always been one of the most rock solid pieces of software I have ever been around" I suspect he may be a bit of a neophyte. I have a friend who inists that his Hyundai Pony was the best car he ever owned.
Ah, to be young and innocent again!
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No thanks!
Dr. John 20th Nov 2008
One time through being YD&FoC was enough for me. I'll stick with old, wise and treacherous. happy
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Bad numbers
GeiselS@... Updated - 15th Nov 2008
Having implemented more than a dozen Exchange systems I can tell you that if a company has 800 employees you'll be hard pressed to even find one full time Exchange Administrator...that's generally a part time job and the indivduals responsible for Exchange have a slew of other responsibilities.

As for the SLA's associated with the low cost alternatives I think you'll be hard pressed to find any ASP or 'cloud computing' company providing a 15 minute, 30 minute or even a 1 hour SLA which most companies hosting Exchange internally now generally expect.

Bottomline is you can't compare apples and oranges and if you're going to try, you better make sure that all major cost related aspects are a one to one comparison otherwise your numbers are simply 'BS'.
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That depends.
914four 17th Nov 2008
Having implemented more than a dozen Exchange systems I can tell you that if a company has 800 employees you'll be hard pressed to even find one full time Exchange Administrator.
If that 800 employee customer is a 500 lawyer law firm, then you could easily have 2 admins, although I doubt they would only do Exchange (add SharePoint etc to those duties, but I see them as being one and the same). If a law firm can't bill, the costs are staggering.
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Thanks
bmfraley@... 17th Nov 2008
Thanks for stating that an 800 user implementation of Exchange isn't a two $100k admin job. We have just under a 100 users and we spend almost no time in administering Exchange. Not that I wouldn't mind sitting around for $110k a year and waiting for something to happen between patch updates. wink
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I am running an exchange server (among all the other
IT duties) for 65 users. If I divide 800/65 that gives
me about 8%. If I take 8% of $1m that gives me a
budget of around $80k. I can take this to the owner
and pitch one of two things, either I am really cheap
or I should get a raise.
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RE:How ... ?
n0neXn0ne Updated - 16th Nov 2008
"If I take 8% of $1m that gives me a
budget of around $80k . I can take this to the owner
and pitch one of two things, either I am really cheap
or I should get a raise ."



Be careful, because if your manager have he/she thinking cap on, they may say hmmm, I can save 2x80K (dump you and the Exchange server). Know what I mean? ;)



^o^


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How much...
914four 17th Nov 2008
...do those 65 users bring in on an hourly basis? That is the true measure, what does it cost the company for email to be down for an hour?
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The article is misleading.
ye 15th Nov 2008
The cost savings isn't so much Exchange versus Google Mail
but rather in house versus outsourced.

As for the in house cost of running Exchange the company
must have a very elaborate Exchange environment to push
costs up to $1M/year. We're talking many severs at several
locations with the possible use of a SAN instead of local
storage. A likely complex and unnecessary configuration for
800 users.
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As you said, they have a vested interest
AllKnowingAllSeeing Updated - 15th Nov 2008
in the cloud. It sounds as though the company may be willing to way overstate the cost.

How would it look to it's potential customers that while they're talking up their SaaS products, they're running all their own infrastructure off "the cloud" (in house)?

From those that i've talked to that run Exchange, if it's costing them a million a year to run it, they're doing something drasticly wrong.
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RE: ... vested interest -- ing, ...
n0neXn0ne Updated - 16th Nov 2008
"From those that i've talked to that run Exchange, if it's costing them a million a year to run it, they're doing something drasticly wrong."



Could it be a M$ partner rapping another customer?

Just a rhetorical question.



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M$ partner or Not.....
OhTheHumanity 17th Nov 2008
This should not cost the company this much money. I personally run an exchange environment for 200 users and to be honest is one of the best products I have ever worked with as far as maintenance and ease of use and setup. Our costs to run the server are included in my salary of which I do a host of other things besides being an exchange admin. As for the cost to license this it was somewhere in the range of just under $10,000. I am seriously blown away by the cost this company is stating because it just doesn't add up. I understand the other costs of other things such as storage and DR, but seriously excahnge should not be one of the products that an admin needs to work on that often. It just works and makes my life a hell of alot easier. Say what you will, but its a breeze over hear and thats just my view.
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You'd know that this is a company with multiple international locations. That significantly complicates things.

Basing your judgement on nothing more than the number of actual users is short-sighted. A 50 employee company could have more complex requirements than one with 500 employees, depending on the nature of their businesses.
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An associate of mine moved his 100 user company off exchange and into google apps a few months back .... Then the employees realized they couldn't use outlook anymore (at least not effectively).. Then they discovered it would change the way they use their blackberry's and smartphones ... Finaly the users and manag,ent revolted. I made a small fortune changing them back.
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RE: ...does ... cost?
n0neXn0ne Updated - 16th Nov 2008
"Then the employees realized they couldn't use outlook anymore (at least not effectively ).."



So they are locked in and can't get out or don't want to get out ?

Just a rhetorical question.



"I made a small fortune changing them back."



And 'Microsoft made a large fortune changing them back'.



Another satisfied M$ customer just got rapped twice (again) by M$.



Now this customer know what this thing 'lock in' means from experience. Because it was never explained by a M$ partner the evils of Outlook (aka. lock-Out) you can't change, it's call 'lock in'.



^o^


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re: evils of Outlook
Badgered 17th Nov 2008
Now this customer know what this thing 'lock in' means from experience. Because it was never explained by a M$ partner the evils of Outlook (aka. lock-Out) you can't change, it's call 'lock in'.

Lock-in or preference?

I've seen many users, given the options of different choices who prefer Outlook. Perhaps, it's just better than the alternatives to them. Does that make it a lock-in? IMO no.
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Users always go with what is...
914four 17th Nov 2008
...most familiar to them; most people despise change. On a personal note, I once rebelled against having to switch to a Mac notebook (new corporate standard), but 6 months later I wouldn't give it back. Perhaps the breakdown was in training the employees on the new systems, or not a long enough transition period? Or possibly an inadequate pre-transition of the needs? I always learn a lot more about how an application is used by talking to users than talking to CIOs and admins, and make a point of it during the design phase.
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Poor planning
trent1 17th Nov 2008
That sounds like a poorly thought out plan to begin with. A solution for a different problem, perhaps. Doesn't matter where you want to take your systems, you still need to know the whole picture.
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I would venture to say this. Anyone that will give up Microsoft proven technologies, and bring in Google Apps to replace it... go ahead. See how long that last, and how much of 'Google Apps' they actually use.

Google Apps are not a serious alt. to what Microsoft offers. This is more of a sales pitch, and a move to try and push services from Serena, that no doubt will try and incoporate Google Apps. Again go ahead... it will not last long, or be used beyond the basic level that Google Apps offers.
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RE: How much ... really ...?
n0neXn0ne Updated - 16th Nov 2008
"I would venture to say this. Anyone that will give up Microsoft proven technologies, and bring in Google Apps to replace it... go ahead. ...



Google Apps are not a serious alt . to what Microsoft offers."



So you were for it before you were against it?

Just a rhetorical question?



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RE: How much does Exchange really cost?
Brent R Brian 15th Nov 2008
The article proves

YOUR MILEAGE WILL VARY

If your costs are not has high has Serena, bravo, good for you.

If Serena can live with the new solution, bravo, good for them.

If Microsoft can not (or will not) offer a competitive solution, tough luck.

Microsoft should spend more time LISTENING to their partners instead putting out products like ME and VISTA and then making ads that try to convince their customers how "wrong they are" for disliking the stuff?

Gee, maybe FORD should have tried that with the PINTO ... it's not ON FIRE, YOU HAVE THE HEAT TURNED UP TOO HIGH.

B
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Apples to Apples
happyharry_z 15th Nov 2008
There is a big assumption that the quality of service is the same. That extra money is all about DR. Is Google providing the same thing?
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Three nines
daengbo 17th Nov 2008
Google promises three nines, or about 8.8 hours of downtime a year.
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Goodgle cant be trusted
Aussie_Troll 15th Nov 2008
they will happily mine your data, sell or make it available to governments, more prone to hackings.

Goodgle also give up a chinese dissident just because they were asked to.

their motto is "do no evil" its a shame they dont follow it !!

You would be crazy to trust them, they have proven time and again they cant be.

plus their product is rubbish,

ALso why has the Open source people not boycotted them for not abiding by the GPL ?

GOOGLE IS EVIL.
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RE:Goodgle cant be trusted ... along with
n0neXn0ne Updated - 16th Nov 2008
Microsoft cant be trusted & you cant be trusted..

So who do I trust? ME! wink

^o^
Two BEEFY servers for 800 users?


A 5000.00 HP Proliant DL 380 will be more than sufficient to host 800 mail clients. And that is OVERKILL.


CALS come with the 3 to 4K license cost.


And here's the kicker, TWO FT Exchange Admins to handle 800 users?


My largest client has almost 2000 users on their windows 2003 AD Domain. Two, 3000.00 to 4000.00 (can get sales on servers two) DL 380s makeup the 2 domain controllers that handle this network 24/7/365 with 99.99% uptime. Site is a hospitial, fiber backbone of course and all clients are full Gb.


The EXCHANGE server is also a DL 380 with RAID 5 (3 72GB drives, so effectively 144GB of storage) initially but now on SAN.


That DL 380 cost around 4,000.00. The network admin/datacom/client manager handles exchange and there is not nearly enough exchange work for 2 FTEs, that is crazy.

And, 50% of those users have web access to exchange which is a snap to setup and still gives you a very full featured set of Outlook like tools. the interface look remarkably close to Outlook 2003 in fact. So managing mail around the globe is a snap. Secure web mail on exchange is a snap.


Daily operations of adding/removing users, changing other attributes etc. and menial tasks are handled by an operator that grandfathered into IT from DP days as a keypunch operator, as they were called. she keyed charges before each dept. ordered their own procedures directly into the H.I.S. and the system could handle auto sending of batches from all clinical depts.


Learning the basics of Exchange is a breeze.


The guy that does network admin/datacom (has a biomed guy that helps with grunt work)and makes around 40K, but also manages 70+ servers, switch upgrades, the works. That is not a huge job for a site with a few thousand users.




This blog is ridiculous. For 800 users it's 4000 for a server, even if you want full redundancy and don't have a SAN and any OS virtualization, it's still 8000.00 plus a portion of 1 FTE wages, which you'd need for Google to troubleshoot internet related issues and client access issues and ESP. security, since the google solution is much more insecure with every client inhouse exposing itself with an open connection to the internet all of the time.


The GOOGLE cost was 50 per seat per year.


Do the math, after you put 500,000 into upgrading your network to handle the new load of internet traffic, and upgrade your internet connections, at the least and this includes upgrading clients to full Gb connections, very time intensive, you might get the initial cost within 500,000, but probably more.


the 50 x 800 x . Let's go with 10, as exchange server is relevant for a good 10 years, or at least has been in the past considering there are tons of sites still running Exchange 5.5. There's another 400,000. So you a million in the Google solution and 4K server, 4K software wtih free VL for Outlook clients over 10 years 8000.00, so that's 800 bucks a year, or one dollar per client per year. Yes, it is that inexpensive. I see this everyday.


Google is 40,000 per year for client and 500,000 network costs / 10 is 50,000 so 90,000 per year for 800 clients is over 100 per client.


GOOGLE Solution is ONE HUNDRED TIMES more than Exchange solution and you get FAR less ability and functionality.


For instance, warehousing email and making use out of it for BI is impossible with Google.


Same with the apps, they are so lightweight and functionality thin, and the data is not accessible in teh ways it is inhouse to be backend to BI infrastructure, there is just so much ROI lost on the Google Apps.


All it does is remove the cost of upkeep on one server, 2 at most inhouse when most even SMB sites are hosting dozens of servers, SAN and clients into the thousands.


The time of Google Apps, or any hosted apps time has still simply not come.


And most sites, like healthcare organizations, are not ready to be storing PHI on Google servers which may be owned by Google for unlimited time.


Exchange is 100 times less in cost and give 1000 percent more in value by having your email on site under your own control and security w/o 800 open internet connections at all times.


And for those with laptops who have their exchange data store securely locally, Outlook is a smart client and they can do all of their work anywhere without an internet connection in terms of replying to all of their email and reading everything that came in since they were last on-line.


And considering the price of disc, users can have more than 6GB of storage these days w/o breaking the bank.

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RE: ...wrong data.....
n0neXn0ne Updated - 16th Nov 2008
"...apps, they are so lightweight and functionality thin..."



Do you know their requirements, are you assuming or dictating?

Just some rehetorical questions?



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We don't know their exact requirements.
ye Updated - 16th Nov 2008
But anyone who has ever installed/configured/managed an
Exchange environment knows that $1M per year is out
of line for an 800 user deployment. They would have to have
some unusual requirements to drive up costs to that level
per year.

This reminds me of the company that switched to Macs
because their PC's cost them an amount that no one could
figure out they arrived at it.
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RE: ... their exact requirements. ...
n0neXn0ne 16th Nov 2008
see above.



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Your point? nt
ye Updated - 16th Nov 2008
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RE: Your point?? It's been asked before ...
n0neXn0ne Updated - 16th Nov 2008
"Meaningful dialogue is useless"

--ole Man--



Here it's explained nicely.




^o^


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You're wasting your time...
bmerc 18th Nov 2008
Ye will simply continue to ask what your point is, no matter how many times you explain it to him. His strategy when faced with an argument he cannot refute is to simply stonewall deny that there is anything to refute at all.

Try searching these forums for the phrase "what is your point" and notice how many of them are from Ye. It's pretty funny actually.
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Was that the Auto Warehouse company?
xuniL_z 16th Nov 2008
I believe the CIO had a last name of Frantz. ?


In that case, i questioned the CIO's ability to define his problems.


It was one of the stranger cost analysis I'd been witness to as I remember it. happy
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Jaffe Associates
ye 17th Nov 2008
Their COO provided costs that no objective person could determine how she arrived at them.

http://www.cio.com/article/328917/A_New_Day_for_Macs_in_the_Enterprise_?page=2
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25 users @ $4k per = $100k. How do you break down the $4k per user? Gartner has been using a higher figure than that for years, and they claim that cost of acquisition of the hardware is something like 17% (don't quote me on that last number, but I know it is less than 20%). Of course they take into account things like training, patch management, software distribution, etc. I think her numbers are pretty fair based on my experience, but then I have to admit I've never been a fan of SharePoint, I've always found it clunky and slow. Maybe it's been improved in the last 8 months, so don't take what I say too literally.

Perhaps we can convince IBM to release Lotus Notes to the Open Source community. OpenNotes anyone?
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Nope. Sorry if you interpreted it that way.
xuniL_z Updated - 16th Nov 2008
I was basically replying more to the blogger's own claims than those from teh company in the blog.


If you think my posts are overly dogmatic or dictating, then you've got me all wrong and are misinterpreting what I'm tring to say.


These talkbalks infer opinion, right?


I've seen bloggers and talkback posts on here predict the fall of a very large corporation based solely on their opinions, which happen to be biased as well. All of that w/o any evidence of such an event based on evidence, such as financial statements and even the weathering of the economic downturn better than most.


We are all biased in one way or another I think, but i only pointed out a few things the blogger said and elaborated on them some.


I found those statements to not be true in most any context, so i felt the need to put out there was i've experienced.


The biggies were the claim that Exchange Sever and 800 users == 2 FT Exchange Admins. That's crazy. I've never heard of an 800 worker SMB that even had one Exchange Admin. What would that person do every day, let alone two. My experience is that with even more than 800 users, an experienced network admin can handle the network and exchange quite easily, with menial tasks going to operations.


Also, the statement of how much cost 800 cals would be.


Now it's been two years, so i'm not sure, but the last site that went up on Exchange 2003, as sites before it, got a volume license for Outlook 2003 with the server license, therefore there are no CAL costs, based on my most current experience.


It's not overly evident that you get that volume license and you must call MS to get the product key.

My bet is that some sites have purchased Outlook CALS because you must read the licensing carefully, and i don't know that all sites really do that. Even an employee from a Microsoft Gold partner that did some work for a site at one time thought the purchase of CALS was necessary in that situation, so it's not really clear. I hoped to make it so.



That was all i really responded to.
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A complex setup
trent1 17th Nov 2008
I thought I read that while it's only 800 users, it's 800 users in 18 countries. I think that's where the real costs come in.
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We need more details.
ye Updated - 17th Nov 2008
However I can't see an 800 user deployment, even across 18 countries, being a $1M/year cost. I can't imagine they would deploy a dedicated Exchange server in each country. I worked for a company who had a much larger Exchange environment (5,000 users) and they didn't have 18 Exchange servers deployed across the globe.
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The person went on to say:
ye Updated - 16th Nov 2008
"And I'm factoring on the high side with the server cost and
salaries."

Right after the end of the quoted text. I get the impression
they were speculating on the high side.
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Yes, i did read that.
xuniL_z 16th Nov 2008
I just happened to find it on the *extreme* high side in one case, and felt the need to point out what my experience has been. That would be the 2 FT Exchange admins. C'mon man. wink That's more than just "high side".


And in my experience, just plain wrong on another cost item. the blogger stated CAL costs, which do not exist. So in that case, even qualifying the "high side" was not applicable, but just wrong.

Thus making the $1M cost of deplying an 800 user Exchange enviroment that much more difficult to believe.
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The numbers just make NO sense. Think about it. They're quoting $53,600 for CALs, $8,000 for Exchange, another $28,000 for Software Assurance, another $20,000 for the servers. And $200,000 for the guys to run them.

PER YEAR.

WTF...? Are those $10,000 servers dying after just ONE year? Are they spending the money on crap hardware that breaks down and needs to be replaced EVERY single year?

That money needs to be amortized and broken down over the actual service life of the hardware. So let's see how the numbers break down...

$10,000 for one server
$4,000 for a copy of Exchange
$14,000 for the Software Assurance CAL (being generous here)
$0 for the Exchange CALs.

Subtotal: $28,000 - upfront cost for one box.

Now then... After 2 years, the cost can be broken down to $14,000 per server.

If you spread it out over 3 years, that's $9,333.33 per year.

4 years - that's $7,000.

5 years - $5,600.

Given it's been roughly 5 years between Windows 2003 server and Windows 2008 server, it may be a bit of a stretch, but isn't entirely unreasonable for hardware to last that long. Even if you replace your hardware every 3 years or so and figure in the cost of admins to run it all, it's still NOWHERE near the figures they're coming up with.
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They are NOT making that claim. That's some other person in another forum who made that claim.

Here, let me highlight it for you to make it REALLY CLEAR.

Here?s one of the commenter?s calculations:

?800 CALs at retail pricing is $67 x 800 = $53,600. Exchange Enterprise Edition is $3,999. Let?s assume they have two servers: $7,998. Let?s also throw in the Software Assurance CAL of $35 x 800 = $28K. Two beefy servers at $10K each = $20K. Two full time Exchange administrators at $100K/year = $200K. Total = $309,598/year.?

Serena?s VP of corporate communications responded...


Notice that Serena RESPONDED to the pricing claims, which came from someone CRITICIZING them.

Serena did NOT provide these numbers as justification for their costs. They DID NOT CLAIM THIS.

All you are doing by repeatedly debunking the math here is proving that some forum poster was a dumbass, you're not proving anything about Serena's cost accounting.
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nice numbers
trent1 17th Nov 2008
It's too bad you haven't quite gotten them right. I think costs were overstated in the article, but to even think for a second that $1/user is accurate is a joke. You have overlooked far too many other costs related to running a server in house.
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