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McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario

By | April 22, 2010, 7:22am PDT

Summary: McAfee.com’s automated remote update anti-virus service trashed my PC yesterday. Today the company’s reputation is getting trashed by its failure to handle the after-effects of a nightmare that should never have happened in the first place.

About ten years ago, I met with the then CIO of McAfee.com, Doug Cavit (who later joined Microsoft as chief security strategist). The thing that most kept him awake at night, he told me then, was the risk of a third party piggy-backing onto McAfee’s own trusted access into its customers’ PCs.

As a long-term customer of the McAfee.com service and a big fan of automated updates delivered over the Web, I’ve often thought about that conversation. The quid-pro-quo for the convenience of having McAfee, Microsoft, Adobe and others automatically keeping our PC software up-to-date while we sleep is that we tacitly give them absolute power to mess with our machines. It’s a heavy responsibility — we expect them to act swiftly to keep our devices protected against new threats as they arise, but always to do so without introducing surreptitious trojans or inadvertent bugs. Few of us realize just how complex and onerous a burden that is, and while Cavit clearly took it seriously, his successors let their guard slip badly yesterday.

When I first encountered the problem for myself yesterday, I thought it was down to a hard disk fault on my ageing laptop — or perhaps something my young son had unwittingly triggered in his eagerness to drive up his score at a newly discovered online math site. For whatever reason, the machine had rebooted without the use of any of its network capabilities. None of the network device drivers seemed to be accessible anymore.

Fortunately I have access to a second, newer laptop (my wife’s) that runs Windows 7 and thus was still functioning. I quickly found Ed Bott’s story about McAfee’s huge mishap and recognised the symptoms I had experienced — except that my account is a consumer account, not a corporate one, so the problem seems more widespread than some of the coverage has been suggesting (here’s another UK consumer who was similarly affected yesterday).

The nightmare for McAfee.com is that disabling network connectivity is the worst possible thing for a remote automated update system to do, as it renders itself instantly useless. Whatever the fix turns out to be, it can’t be remotely implemented because the network access is down. This is an especially big problem for McAfee if it is affecting large numbers of consumers (the company says less than half of one percent of corporate customers and an even smaller proportion of its consumer customer base, but that’s still a lot of individuals). The only way to resolve the problem is to download a fix, manually transfer it using a USB stick or similar, then run it on the affected machine and hope that it works. That’s a hassle for the sysadmins at affected corporate customers — including hospitals, police authorities and others — but at least they’re qualified computer technicians. For the average joe public punter, there’s a good chance of making the problem worse when trying to fix it.

I haven’t tried it yet, but from what I’ve read, the fix is rather daunting if you don’t know what you’re doing. Nor is McAfee pulling out all the stops to help afflicted customers, to judge by its website, which as at the time of writing has no special alerts or links on the home page that explain how to deal with the problem. In fact, the only way I know there’s a fix is from reading the third-party coverage. After long hunting on the company’s website, I found this blog entry with a link to an advice page for affected consumers that, believe it or not, tells me to have my computer update itself automatically. How that’s supposed to work without any network access is beyond my comprehension.

One thing I’m picking up from that coverage is that McAfee is pretty much a spent force, especially in the consumer PC protection market, and I shouldn’t be relying on the company to keep my PC safe anyway. What astonishes me is that it’s still doing absolutely nothing to regain my trust. What I need right now is a nice, reassuring panic button on the company’s home page that I can press and find out exactly what I need to do next to get my computer back up and running. But 24 hours after the problem occurred, there’s still nothing there at all. First the company trashes my PC, and now it’s happy to sit there and let its reputation get trashed without even lifting a finger to save itself.

UPDATE [added 9:05am PT]: I’ve now got my PC back in operation after following the straightforward instructions on this McAfee.com page. The company should put a clear link to these instructions on its home page to help other home users who are similarly affected before its reputation goes completely down the pan — and to push the scareware hackers out of the Google results pages that come up when searching for solutions to this problem.

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RE: McAfee.com sleeps through its nightmare scenario
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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McAfee=crap
rag@... 22nd Apr 2010
McAfee AV has always been crapware. I can't believe people still use it. There's much better stuff out there for free.
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You=crap
hjagla 23rd Apr 2010
You are one of these people that buy software and do a complete install, forget about configuring it properly and then blame the software on your stupidity.
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No, you=crap
pererror 23rd Apr 2010
God forbid someone expect software to do what it advertises. Why should it have to be 'configured' at all? What kind of Dark Ages logic are you using? Do you personally have such a high stake in McAfee to not only ignore this enormous failure but then attack someone who correctly asserts what is widely known (and has been known for many years) about this pathetic software suite?

Whether you're on McAfee's payroll or not, you have a lot to learn.
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I've found MSE to be a good
John Zern 22nd Apr 2010
replacement for software like McAfee, and have installed it many times, with no user complaints.

You're right though I personally have given up on it some time ago, and haven't recomended it to anyone in years. Even if someone points out that it's on sale, I would point them to a competing product and told them not to skimp on price with this software.
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Do you trust MSE and Microsft enough?
Great Kahuna Updated - 22nd Apr 2010
Are you so confident that you would bet your reputation on Microsoft?

We both know someone who's a regular talkbacker who never balks at putting his reputation at stake when it comes to fight for Ubuntu.

Are you willing to do the same for Microsoft, would be willing to go all the way and bet your reputation on it?
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Microsoft
Cylon Centurion Updated - 22nd Apr 2010
Isn't without their problems. There have been a few OS updates that have broken systems, but at the same time with MSE/Forefront, when updating it, they know their system inside and out and are able to develop a product that acts accordingly.

The problem with most third party vendors is that they are out in the dark about OS updates and other changes to the underlying architecture. Weather this came about as a result of an OS update or just the result of bad testing, using third party AV suites, especially on XP where they grab hold of the OS kernel and don't let go (Kind of like a parasite), is kinda risky. Many, many pieces of malware are then able to compromise the AV software, which then by default is able to compromise the whole OS. I have seen this many, many times on XP. Number one reason why I dumped it as soon as Vista was released and I was satisfied it's security was a million times better than XP's.

So yes, I do agree with John Zern in saying that I trust Microsoft more than Norton, McAfee, AVG, MalwareBytes, etc. when it comes to protecting the system at hand.
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Quit refering to yourself in the second person
John Zern Updated - 22nd Apr 2010
Great Katuna.

I don't need to as my network runs without the so called "issues" you claim happen every other week to whoever.

My reputation is at stake everytime I walk thru the door at work, and it remains intact and as untarnished as the day I started, actually better then from day one, so yes, I bet my reputation on it every day.

And the fool you're talking about (if you're really not him) really doesn't have much of a reputation to stake:

When you have nothing left to lose, you can bet it all without any real change to your situation when you lose yet again.
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MSE is very good
rag@... 22nd Apr 2010
I've found MSE to be very good. Hell, Microsoft put the holes in there, they should know how to protect them.
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Not so simple
Cylon Centurion 22nd Apr 2010
Holes exist unintentionally, software is made by humans, and humans are fallible, our software will be too. That includes Linux and OSX.
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So...
pererror 23rd Apr 2010
The question is whether MSE or McAfee is better at protecting the holes.

I'll give you a hint, it's not McAfee.
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MSE 2nded
pererror 23rd Apr 2010
Best MS software for years. I had it backing up McAfee for a long time until it repeatedly caught and fixed issues McAfee never even clued in on. I scrapped McAfee from every box in the office and haven't looked back.
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all that in a blog and one comment! Must be well read then!
My company has about 30 XP computers. Luckily we early adopted Win7 on the other 150 computers. Anyways, the XP computers were rendered useless yesterday. Mcafee's fix is a joke and myself and the helpdesk technician spent all day coming up with a wild fix. I can only wonder what others will do the fix the problem since, afterall, we can't all get lucky with troubleshooting guesses.

Mcafee's silence is pathetic.
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"ALL YOUR XP SP3 ARE BELONG TO US!"
Our entire company is XP, if this had happed here, our three techs would have been inindated and unable to reach anyone in a reasonable time.

This is a biggie and i hope any IT admins who think they are safe with Mcafee, think again.

BTW: Norton Corporate only sends out virus definitions, no program updates unless you specifically download them. They are not automatic.

Yea we had problems with endpoint 11.0, but nothing to this level. Course their newer 11 version is fast and works perfectly.
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pererror 23rd Apr 2010
Dear readers, If you hadn't considered that on your own; I advise you to stop what you're doing and never use a computer, operate a motor vehicle or chew gum and walk at the same time for the rest of your sad life.

Or if you're feeling adventurous, you could load up McAfee and go for a ride =)
I'm a consumer and it affected me. To fix the problem, I rebooted and during the one minute interval that Mcafee allowed before shutting down the system after finding the supposedly virus, I pulled up the VirusScan Console and turn off the option to run the real time scanner on boot up. When the system rebooted, I then restored the latest backup from the quarantine files and rebooted. Again I rebooted and the system was stable and updated Mcafee until dat 5959 was applied. Then I turned on the option to execute the real time scanner on boot up and rebooted. Everything is stable now.
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Well, that's simple enough
pdq 23rd Apr 2010
Now I can tell Grandma why her computer won't work and point her
toward this easy fix. She should have no trouble.
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pererror 23rd Apr 2010
=D

But you all knew that already...
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Yeah, right.
aep528 26th Apr 2010
After the latest Apple update on my laptop,
Safari stopped working. Connectivity is fine,
but Safari simply will not work, even after
manually downloading and reinstalling it. Which
proceeded to break Mail, causing me to have to
download the standalone version of the last OS
update.

I was in the market for a new laptop anyway, so
that solved the problem. Windows 7 works quite
well for me.
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Thanks for the link to the McAfee page! I'm a home user and thankful that I had a Windows 7 laptop not affected so that I could even find a solution. I'm also thankful that I remembered old dos commands since McAfee fix didn't anticipate that I had no way to copy the file from my flash drive onto my desktop in safe mode since there was no "my computer" icon or start menu. I discovered I could use ctrl-alt-del to call up task manager, and select "New Task (Run) on its "File" menu. So I ran the "cmd" and opened up a dos window where I managed to use the copy command to copy their file from the flash drive to the desktop. Then I used dos commands to delete the "dat" directory as they specified, then executed the exe file they had me copy to the desktop. That fixed the problem.

I suppose I could also have run the computer in "safe mode with command prompt" to do the same thing.

Thanks again!
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I think its been obvious for some time that McAfee is crap, but a lot of corporations still use them, mine included. Can only assume the licenses are really cheap.

Anyway, the numbers McAfee is handing out--the 0.5% figure for example, are complete crap. They gave that number out before there was any way they would know what the numbers were. Similarly they diminished the effects "0.5% of customers experiencing minor performance problems" was I believe the way they characterized the bricking/continuous rebooting at first.

My company IT staff reported over 4,000 employees laptops repaired as of late today. And the wait queue is still very long. As you say the deletion of the crucial Windows system file disables network access, but you don't mention that at least for me and others I've seen comment on boards like this that it also a) disables the start menu, b) disables USB ports. We had to burn the needed files to a CDROM in order to transfer them to the infected system.

Also of course because a lot of the affected people are using the enterprise McAfee product, many of them aren't administrators on their own laptops so they don't have access to things like Safe Mode without IT support--they simply don't have the password.

All this has made fixing this problem rather nightmarish for most users who are left on their own because of the long lines waiting for support.

And McAfee's failure to apologize, to post clear and plain instructions on their home page, etc are just ridiculous and unacceptable. Heads should roll. The CEO in particular.
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Agreed.
pererror 23rd Apr 2010
If you have any say in your companies IT policy, push for dropping McAfee and go with MSE. Free is easy to sell, it actually works, and it doesn't make a core i7 run like a 386.
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SaaS benefit over local apps
Fabrice Cathala 23rd Apr 2010
To quickly relate this story to the world of SaaS and
even if I appreciate that this not a standard client
but somehow a part of the operating system (hence no
candidate for a SaaS alternative), this is highlighting one of the down side of on-premise
applications vs. SaaS.

It seems that the root cause is with McAfee QA team
messing it up. These guys, bless them, have to take
into consideration tons of possible configurations,
new drivers, hot-fixes etc... while reacting ultra
quickly to threats and delivering at a fast pace!

This nightmare (testing multiple combinations) is
common to all software vendors to a lesser extend
including enterprise application vendors, except SaaS
vendors who have the ultimate benefit of controlling
the code down to the OS level and with full capability
to update, roll-back, etc...

My 2 cents happy
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McAfee posted an explanation of what went wrong on its corporate blog on Thursday. This wasn't an innocent error. The problem occurred because QA processes changed. Reading between the lines, I'm guessing they tried to cut corners:

"The problem arose during the testing process for this DAT file. We recently made a change to our QA environment that resulted in a faulty DAT making its way out of our test environment and onto customer systems."

http://siblog.mcafee.com/support/an-update-on-false-positive-remediation/
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No, it is still inadvertent
aep528 26th Apr 2010
Somehow I highly doubt they meant to do that. Not
sure why you are bringing management into it,
since it is highly likely that QA engineers were
involved with changing the validation process.
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As another poster stated, McAfee has been crap for over the last 5-6 years. Anyone with any sense of computer savvy stears clear of McAfee and removes it if found! If you're expecting that suite to protect your computer I'd highly suggest you get the phone number for your local PC Tech because you're going to provide them with a lifetime of business!
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Ah yes, the Apple store. The friendly place where you pay 1.5x to 2x the cost for a machine that is itself on the verge of becoming a hackers best gift. You can quote me on that too!
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