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Private cloud discredited, part 1

By | November 15, 2010, 2:10am PST

Summary: Microsoft, a most unlikely ally, has published a white paper that shows private cloud solutions are up to 40 times *less* cost-effective than public cloud alternatives for many companies. It vindicates my prediction that private cloud will be discredited by year-end.

Back in January, I made a controversial prediction that private clouds will be discredited by year end. Now, in the eleventh month of the year, the cavalry has arrived to support my prediction, in the form of a white paper published by a most unlikely ally, Microsoft.

Titled simply The Economics of the Cloud (PDF), the document succinctly sets out the economic factors that make the public cloud model an inexorable inevitability, substantiating my long-held views. It deserves a full reading — don’t settle for the overview in the authors’ blog post announcing it. Here are some headline numbers that should give pause for thought:

  • 80% lower TCO. The combination of large-scale operations, demand pooling and multi-tenancy create enormous economies in public cloud data centers: “a 100,000-server datacenter has an 80% lower total cost of ownership (TCO) compared to a 1,000-server datacenter.”
  • 40-fold cost reduction for SMBs. “For organizations with a very small installed base of servers (<100), private clouds are prohibitively expensive compared to public cloud.”
  • 10-fold cost reduction for larger enterprises. “For large agencies with an installed base of approximately 1,000 servers, private clouds are feasible but come with a significant cost premium of about 10 times the cost of a public cloud for the same unit of service.”

Since I know there’s a subset of ZDNet readers who will leap into Talkback to cry wolf on cloud security without bothering to read either the rest of this blog post or even looking at the white paper, here’s what it has to say on that particular canard:

“Large commercial cloud providers are often better able to bring deep expertise to bear on this problem than a typical corporate IT department, thus actually making cloud systems more secure and reliable … Many security experts argue there are no fundamental reasons why public clouds would be less secure; in fact, they are likely to become more secure than on premises due to the intense scrutiny providers must place on security and the deep level of expertise they are developing.”

That paragraph alludes to one of the key factors that I’ve been highlighting in my recent evangelism of the cloud model, the economies of scale for collective scrutiny and innovation. Amazingly, the document reaches its conclusions without adding in the additional economic benefits of this factor, which surely must deliver a knock-out blow to the private cloud concept. The collective feedback and testing from a diversified customer base enhances not only the security of a public cloud infrastructure but also informs and directs its evolution at a far more rapid pace than any private cloud will allow. There’s a virtuous cycle here, of course, in that public clouds are already more cost-effective as platforms for innovation, so that there is going to more innovation happening here than on private clouds anyway. That innovation will help to further accelerate the evolution of public clouds, thus amplifying their economic advantage more rapidly and to a greater extent than even Microsoft’s strategy team have envisaged.

The document ends by trumpeting Microsoft’s own commitment to the cloud, and in particular its work with products such as Office 365, Bing and Azure, which is fair enough. But I have to mention that it also exposes a huge, gaping hole in Microsoft’s product line in the SMB market. As I highlighted earlier, the document plainly implies that any SMB would be crazy to factor on-premise or private cloud into their future strategy when these options are going to cost up to 40x more than public cloud alternatives. That finding casts a dark pall over Microsoft Dynamics, a product line that has spent the past decade running away from the cloud (that may sound like a strong verdict, but believe me, I’ve witnessed the whole, sorry saga). If Microsoft really wants to be ‘all-in the cloud’ as Steve Ballmer has been saying, then it’s going to have to figure out a way to get Dynamics there before its SMB installed base starts deserting it in droves. Acquisition of an existing cloud solution is probably its only viable option.

Some readers may be wondering why I wrote ‘part 1′ in the title of this post. It’s because I fully expect to be able to write a ‘part 2′ before long. The economic case to discredit private cloud has now been made. The other shoe still waiting to drop is a complete rebuttal of all the arguments over security, reliability and control that are made to justify private cloud initiatives. The dreadful fragility and brittleness of the private cloud model has yet to be fully exposed, although I have done my best to alert people of its existence. I am confident that evidence will surface soon and then we will be able to drive the remaining nails into the coffin of private cloud.

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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
msneubarth@... 14th Dec
For a thorough discussion of this issue see "Are Private Clouds Hogwash?" at
http://www.ciozone.com/index.php/Cloud-Computing/Are-Private-Clouds-Hogwashu.htm
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Latency
zd-nightlight 15th Nov 2010
Neither the article nor the whitepaper mention user interface latency problem for the public cloud applications. If the data sources are far away, the speed of light sets a performance wall that technology cannot work around. Human productivity is highly sensitive to responsiveness of the application, well beyond the raw time difference in latencies (i.e. human brain, attention, focus, flow,... switch to the slower clocks). Hence, that aspect needs to be factored into the calculations of the comparisons of economies.
likely to have servers closer to users, you argument look pretty ridiculous. Of course for the specific (and limited) case of all in house users located in one location, you might get a slight advantage on latency. But, seems like as the objections get knocked down one by one, the arguments get more desperate all the time.

The real thing, is those receiving the salaries that results in the 10x to 40x higher costs do not like this one little bit.
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
zd-nightlight 15th Nov 2010
The assumption "...likely to have servers closer to users" is a wishful thinking. A large data center may have cloud clients around the country, even around world, with roundtrip latencies of public internet that can fluctuate into hundreds of milliseconds or even seconds. The operator productivity (human is the most expensive "component") would drop dramatically as the latencies increase or become erratic. Consider for example that VOIP becomes unusable if the latencies become greater than ~200ms. Humans are very sensitive to latencies especially when response time is erratic (check how much efforts google puts into reducing their latencies).

That's why the previous incarnations of the 'public cloud' idea, the so-called "thin clients" (and before that 'smart terminals') had lost to PCs with local apps in corporate environments, even though the same economies of scale touted here applied equally well in those cases. Unless you add all the costs, including human productivity, you will only end up with wishful conjectures.
The thin client choice is completely separate from where to put your servers. And, big providers have multiple servers around the world, and connect clients to the closest one. They can do it much better than with a private cloud. You are desperate to find reasons for private clouds.
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Thin client failure is relevant data point
zd-nightlight 16th Nov 2010
The relevance of the thin client failure is that it demonstrates:

a) The same type of economy of scale applies as the public cloud (the same goes to mainframe+smart terminal approach)

b) They failed because of the latency problem (making human operators less productive)

c) Unlike public cloud, thin clients didn't have privacy issues (they were usually hosted in the same company), hence the public cloud has more downsides (higher latency, privacy)
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
chinese.bookie 14th Apr 2011
@DonnieBoy And going all in on self-serving ******** white papers by public cloud vendors is, on the face of it, pretty ridiculous. With public clouds, you're still sharing infrastructure with the rest of the world. With public clouds, you give every script kiddy and professional Russian hacker the challenge of breaking your security. Given Microsoft's record on security, not to mention the Web's record, it's not a bet most company's are willing to place. With HIPAA, European Union, Commonwealth of Massachusetts weighing in on handling of Personally Identifiable Information (PII), and the number of hacks of late, companies that have market-differentiating IP or regulatory burdens, or even reputations that can be seriously damaged by ANY public disclosure of information violations (hacks, thefts, etc.), the ones who make those salaries you talk so blithely about would be negligent if they didn't weigh the pros and cons of public versus private infrastructure.

Not to mention that, with private infrastructure, you can tune response time, security, and bandwidth to be precisely what you need it to be, instead of hoping and praying that the public infrastructure you share with billions will be reliable, available, scalable and manageable enough to meet your business needs.

SMBs, sure. Other than that, it isn't just the cost of the service that you are weighing. It's your reputation, your viability, your very existence that you are placing this bet on.

It's too bad that so many people have such a narrow view of the realities of business and even IT itself, and are so ill-equipped to make those life and death decisions. But if everybody could do it, then we wouldn't be having this debate, would we? And we wouldn't need the suits with the big salaries, who often are better equipped to make these decisions that someone sitting in their cubicle and spouting their personal opinions while watching out of the corner of their eye for their boss so they can hit the boss-key.
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@zd-nightlight - latency is definitely a big issue. the problem can be mitigated somewhat with additional datacenters (and then you need the ability to host a customer's data in multiple datacenters) as well as client-side caching and WAN optimization. and by the way - the speed of light is not a factor. happy latency is related to physical distance but it's not that the electrons can't get there fast enough. i would guess the problem is more often the width of the pipe, inefficient routing, inefficient (or lack of) compression/optimization, not the actual speed of the electrons.
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
bedin@... 20th Nov 2010
Latency IS one of the main issue, but proper use of RIA / Smart Clients / Apps can make this invisible to users and not slow down their work.
More intelligence at the edge give more rich and responsive user interfaces, consuming less bandwidht and Cloud resources.
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Look at price matrices of the different cloud offering. As for SMB, albeit unmanaged risk for sensitive or crucial data, with no relief possibility in case of failure to meet advertised services, prices are simply so out of scale. Of course you will have to pay for maintaining your server environment, but you can include this is the maintenance package for clients and have a very reasonable price if you have a stable and sensible system...
Users do NOT see (or know of) any difference between privately hosted applications and those hosted in the cloud, so, you can NOT charge one penny more for privately hotsted applications. YOU, the eager provider get stuck paying for all of your bad decisions!!!!!
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Did I say that ?
s_souche Updated - 15th Nov 2010
@DonnieBoy I nevr claimed there was a difference for the user Thought there clearly is ome huge in term of availability but that was not my point). I said there was a legal difference in terms of Liability and responsibility.
secure and reliable, and keep from getting sued.
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and if the internet is down, so i my entire office.
a single location, and you do not need an internet connection for other parts of the application to function correctly, that might be true. But, put your money into two or three different Internet providers, so, that if one fails, you switch to the other. In the end, you are more likely to have down time due the fragility of the private implementation than because the internet is down.
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
bogdan.farca 15th Apr 2011
@DonnieBoy : I see now the advantages of the cloud : instead of managing a lot of separate servers in the enterprise I need now to manage a whole more stack of Internet providers, with different contracts, SLAs and prices. And rewrite my enterprise apps to work in a public cloud scenario (including RIAs, cache etc).

Compelling indeed. Tell that to a bank with 500+ branches all running legacy time-tested business critical apps and you'll have the "don't call us we'll call you" treatment happy

But building a private cloud (with mostly existing hardware) that can run their legacy environment in flexible manner and keeping the existing, working networking infrastructure (also private) it's a whole another story.

You know, it's about the right tool : choosing the right one for the job at hand. Trying to prematurely proclaim victory in non-existent religious wars (private cloud is dead, only public cloud is the right choice) is immature, at least.

And the crushing argument ("we've found a Microsoft marketing white paper claiming that own products are the best and we've seen the light") is funny.
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@bjs_z - that assumes a browser-only client scenario. but "cloud" doesn't preclude caching data client-side for offline scenarios.
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@bjs_z when was the last time your phone line went down? Once upon a time power cuts were commonplace too. Nowadays no-one needs to install a private backup generator...
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Say what?
linux for me 18th Nov 2010
@vhoong Tell that to any medical facility with a patient in the operating room that they do not need a private backup generator....

Get real....
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As for the Security issue, I did read the white paper. However, some cloud providers are better at security than others and it is difficult to find out which is which. Also so far governments are not to keen on the idea of security on the public cloud. Which means most of the vendors have already put in back doors for departments like Homeland Security. Which also means the back door is available to anyone smart enough to use it.

Also I am not keen on the idea of completely dumb terminals. Anything that disrupts my local Internet connection has the ability to shut down my business. Unlike other outsourced resources, this state of affairs does not have to exist. Most SMB can't afford to have a billion dollar power plant supplying their electricity but an offline productivity package that syncs back up when the Internet is back is not an unreasonable request.

There has been little progress on a unified support package. Cloud vendors are pushing clouds and hoping consumers don't "look behind the curtain". Support is expensive and if Google goes down for the entire afternoon, what recourse do their corporate clients have?

Exit strategies are another pinch point few people have wanted to talk about. Unless cloud computing is somehow a socialistic "can't ever fail and can't ever get sold" business consumers have a valid risk in cloud services. Just because Microsoft doesn't go out of business doesn't mean they won't sell off individual product offerings. What happens to the companies relying on those services. Google decides data storage is really expensive and they have a buyer for their data, what happens to the contracts between companies and Google? What if the company purchasing the data storage services of Google doesn't have the same TOS?

Just recently Ask.com dumped their blog services. At the last minute another company went in an took it over but still what are the TOS for the new company? If you had an Ask.com blog how does it affect you? Do you have any choices in the matter? Do you have to resort to lawsuits?
it with this "if the internet goes down, my business goes down". Get a more reliable Internet connection, or pay TWO providers so you can switch from one to the other in an outage. Finally, most of the applications we are talking about running in the cloud are CUSTOMER facing, and YOUR internet connection is much more likely to go down than your providers internet connection, so this argument actually works against you in most cases.

And, this is NOT about dumb terminals, you can run the application that connects to the cloud as a locally installed application, or as a web application, regardless of whether you are using private or public cloud. AJAX / HTML5 means that maintaining locally installed applications is getting more stupid every day, especially if you customers are the main people using the application.
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@DonnieBoy So I now have to tell my company that we need to have 2 ISPs lined up? Somehow the cost/benefit is starting to not feel good any more. May be if you agree to pay for the second ISP we can work something out. I have been in the business of trying to explain how spending more money in one area can save money in another area and it doesn't always work. Cloud services is about shedding in house services and outsourcing, not shifting costs from one business unit to another.

Do you have any good ideas about support levels and exit strategies? Because an logical economic argument that starts out with, "Company A would never sell their assets or go out of business" sounds like someone who works in a different economic reality than a free market economy.
As a consumer of cloud services I want an exit strategy that doesn't tie my business success to some third party vendor's economic success. An exit strategy that starts with "Hey we will give our users a whole 24 hours to download their data before we turn our servers off", is a very uncomfortable place to be in for a business.

I have used online services that store personal data and they have gone out of business and yes, I managed to get my data from the servers before they were turned off but it was close and it was more of a panic operation than a smooth transition. Personally I can deal. As a corporate customer, my first call is to my lawyers.
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Public clouds allegedly defying the law of gravity
P. Douglas Updated - 15th Nov 2010
Mankind generally has a problem when shifting from one era to another: many generally fail to see as a result of euphoria, that the natural laws that govern man, are still in effect when the changes occur. We saw this in the .com era, when many thought companies no longer had to be profitable (or have plans towards that end), but rather they could be magically sustained, without this primary, time-proven business goal in mind.

Now it is a time-proven fact, that systems oriented around the primacy of the individual - which empower the individual - do better than systems oriented around the primacy of the collective. And yes, the first system tends to be a greater consumer of resources than the second - but it also tends to be a greater generator of wealth. We see this in democracies vs. socialist societies; the PC vs. the thin client; the private home industry vs. public housing; the private vehicle industry vs. public transportation, etc. Just because public clouds look new, promising, and shiny now, that doesn't mean they can defy the above principle. Clouds, just like every other human endeavor, are subject to above law. Just like how public housing and public transportation bring scale and cost advantages to customers, but ultimately generate less wealth and options than their private counterparts, we should not expect things to be different with clouds. Therefore all companies, including MS, need to be careful about their judgments being impaired by cloud euphoria, and realize that the above principle is greater than and rules the cloud - not the other way around.

One other thing: I believe MS' study was a comparison between public clouds and current private IT infrastructure - not private clouds. Private clouds significantly decrease the disadvantages of current private IT infrastructure when compared to public clouds, and also provide a way for more wealth to be generated in the IT industry, not less.

I believe the computer industry should be about private clouds first, and public clouds second - because that is how it can generate the most wealth. Public clouds displacing private clouds would only cause an eventual overall decrease in wealth, the same way public transportation displacing private transportation would decrease the overall worth of the transportation industry.

Finally, I believe MS should have a personal cloud strategy that involves a consumer version of Windows that incorporates both a client experience, as well as Windows Home Server functionality. I believe the client experience is important to be able to sell the computers - since servers just aren't sexy to consumers. The above would allow individual users and families to more centrally locate all their private data, and have access to it anywhere. It could also support a myriad of services - with users psychologically assured, that their data lies in their own hands.
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The cloud is socialist?
kayvaan 15th Nov 2010
@P. Douglas -

Your comparison of cloud computing to "public" housing and "public" transit is invalid. In the examples of public transit and housing, "public" means publicly funded. I.e. government / taxpayer subsidized. That's by definition a less competitive environment. In the case of "public" cloud, the "public" does not mean publicly funded. Any company can leverage the public internet in the same way. There's no subsidy.

But regardless, any time a new technology or paradigm commoditizes something, some players in the value chain will lose out in the short term. But the resources applied to those non-differentiated companies that lose out will be re-applied to solve new problems.

In other words, disruptive technologies actually increase innovation over the long term. IMHO.
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Yes it is
P. Douglas 15th Nov 2010
@kayvaan,

There are lots of privately owned bus systems which people would rather forego, for their own private vehicles. Also, people prefer living in their own homes (including condos) over privately owned apartment buildings. Also if a new technology or paradigm results in the overall contraction of an industry - which is what would happen with a public cloud only services system - how is that desirable for the industry? Progress for the sake of progress, or for a few benefits (e.g. cost) at the net detriment of the whole, doesn't strike me as good progress.
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How does public cloud = decrease in wealth?
vhoong Updated - 15th Nov 2010
@P. Douglas

I am struggling to follow reasoning that Public cloud = overall contraction of IT industry or that Public cloud displacing private = decrease in wealth.

IT > cloud. In the short-term both the public cloud model and traditional on-premise will co-exist. Money saved by using public cloud will be invested either on additional cloud services with a footprint that client otherwise wouldnt have had money to support or on improving IT in other areas (mobile/exisiting legacy etc.). A client will not just put the saved cash in the bank it will invest elsewhere thus becoming a stronger firm than before -an overall progress for the ecosystem.

Futhermore, as public cloud will arguably give you the same business support for 40x less than private cloud more can be saved and invested to make progress elswhere. Businesses choosing the 40x more expensive private cloud or not re-investing what has been saved will find that they lose competitive advantage.

As for psychology of keeping data locally, I believe this to be nothing more than simple resistance to change. The facebook generation has been used to publicly stored private data for years now and they will not harbour this concern when they are running our businesses in the future. Centrally stored data will be much more secure than locally stored data for all the reasons already laid out in these forums - it will just take time for the culture change. Who believes that stuffing your life's cash savings in your office locker is more secure than in a bank account? However, Im can imagine that when the banking system was first established quite a few people would have been a bit reluctant to hand over their gold!
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Software licensing rules are still the number one economic drivers for choosing the infrastructure. Being that public cloud, private cloud or a dedicated server. For example if you have purchased Dynamix you just cannot install that in a public cloud. Period. These some times strange rules apply for many Microsoft's, Oracle's, IBM's etc. software products. So it is the licensing rules and pricing policies of software vendors and cloud providers that decide which way the IT world goes not the technology or the IT economics.
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Duh
@JoeTierney 15th Nov 2010
A company that is built and managed for some purpose other than providing technology services, should not be providing technology services. Public cloud companies have purpose built architectures and business models to provide technology services, they're going to provide superior value for the business every time. The economic incentives to migrate to modern public cloud services will continue to drown out all the excuses used to protect the status quo.

Great post again by Mr. Wainewright, bringing much needed clarity to the issues.
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Spot on Phil.
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Double post
far.star@... Updated - 15th Nov 2010
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Microsoft an Unlikely Ally?!
far.star@... Updated - 15th Nov 2010
Did you miss the recent push for BPOS and Office365?

I think someone is being a bit naive here.
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No difference between public and private clouds
kcaindec-opsource 15th Nov 2010
While the economics of a public cloud are compelling versus a "private cloud," the reason private clouds will be discredited, imo, is that there is no difference between a public or private cloud. The underlying technology to build a public or private cloud is exactly the same, whether your are an enterprise CIO or a service provider CTO. Same physical servers, same hypervisor, same OS distributions, same management tools, same security technologies. The difference between one cloud and another has to do with its architecture and ability to address service support, service delivery and service management requirements. Both clouds need to be multi-tenant, secure, flexible, pay-as-you-go with guaranteed performance. Service providers that have taken the time to build an enterprise-ready public cloud service have likely addressed these requirements better than your average enterprise is able to do on its own. So, if there is no difference between a public or private cloud, and public clouds are a lot less expensive, why would you build a private cloud?

Keao Caindec
OpSource
http://www.opsource.net
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
prof.ebral 15th Nov 2010
Sounds more like an advertisement for MSFT 'cloud' services.
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Nice read... questionable assumptions
drfarley 15th Nov 2010
The MS article is a great read, but just as Amazon has done with their ROI calculator, I think Microsoft makes assumptions about private cloud costs that are way out of line with reality.

In my blog (http://netshroud.com) I run the numbers for a 300 server dev/test environment on a private cloud versus Amazon. Result? Amazon costs twice as much.
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I agree that the economies of scale achieved by public cloud are staggering, but where is the tipping point when these savings kick in? Is it 1000 servers? 10,000 servers? While power users such as Amazon run facilities with server counts rumored to be over 100,000, there are also some enterprises who run massive facilities also. Facebook, for example, is not a cloud provider, yet have made public statements stating their facilities run over 50,000 physical servers. Within the Fortune 500 it's quite common, if not expected, to have total server counts of 10,000+. Walmart has a primary data center facility that's code named "Area 51" because of it's massive scale. Presumably, at this level, some of the cloud economies of scale can be achieved with internal facilities as well.

Instead, the biggest challenge IT faces is not "which" platform or service delivery model to go "all-in" with, but how best to tackle to challenges of managing all of these different infrastructure silos at the same time. At Novell, we?ve been writing on how best to solve these problems at http://www.novell.com/communities/blogs/jasondea

-Jason Dea, Novell
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
ctiberius 16th Nov 2010
I think what many of these posts are alluding to is the fact that companies will employ a range of options for delivering their IT services. One model, no matter how utopian and futuristic and 'obvious' won't ever suffice.

Suggesting that private cloud is completely discredited in every conceivable instance because of the cost-based metrics in the article ignores the fact that many things are done based on metrics other than mere cost. It is cost-benefit that matters. So what if the cost is 40 billion times higher in private cloud? If that paradigm is dictated by requirements (a positive cost-benefit also helps) then what does it matter? Reducing everything to a simple equation is silly. You're ignoring human nature, resistance to change, and other intangible rationales for doing things a particular way. To borrow from the poster who likened public cloud to social engineering, the neat theory developed in the university (or the twitwebs) doesn't always work because it fails to take into account the immutable fact of human nature.

Companies won't 'always' choose public cloud merely because private cloud costs more.
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Phil, I totally agree with you, SOME day it will all be public cloud, whether that is before or after we get a replacement for the US Space Shuttle is another question.

Hybrid cloud (part public, part private) will be around for a long time. I wrote a post on regulated industries using hybrid http://bit.ly/92Xo2G.

We (hp) are focusing on hybrid because in part we agree with you, but what we hear from most of our customers and most articles is for *now* private cloud is winning in large enterprises.

Keep up the good work
@MichaelProcopio
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What about virtual private clouds?
jgoggins 18th Nov 2010
I agree with pretty much everything in this article assuming that the opposition/discrediting to private clouds does not include virtual private clouds. Phil--is this assumption correct?

I also wanted to point out that virtual private clouds have most of the same benefits of a public cloud without it's drawbacks.
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
rograham1 19th Nov 2010
Phil can probably anticipate writing MANY articles due to the VERY long timeframe for acceptance of cloud for mission critical activities. Collectively, we must be sure to segregate SaaS from Cloud. One must understand that Microsoft is self-centric. The most important application from their perspective is messaging (BPOS-->Office 365) and THAT is where they get the scale numbers; Azure is still emerging. The most critical aspect of cloud is the creation and infliction (maturation) of a SERVICE CATALOG wherein the customer, ISV and developer options are SEVERELY constrained. The intriguing aspect of cloud is that the holy grail it proposes is actually causing business lines to consider sacrificing their heretofor inalienable right to customize their solution that was historically a driving element of distributed computing and a huge consequential cost for IT. It IS very much like Ford saying you can have the Model T in BLACK only...no exceptions. The dominant aspect of cloud (elasticity) is largely irrelevant to enterprises that will have eventually fully virtualized their CPUs, memory, storage and network along with a pipelined deployment of pooled resources. There will always be valid special cases that sensationalize cloud. Of course, any organization that cannot afford two data centers should clearly be looking at external service providers in order to provide disaster recovery. Finally, it is important to realize that cloud providers are delivering basic infrastructure and will NOT have a throat to choke. Most C-level executives are very uncomfortable with not having any leverage on their service provider and as a result, there will continue to be many (stressful) opportunities for domestic IT professionals. Like it or not, cloud concepts are livening up the industry, but remember it's the IT vendors that want to reap your savings and in the meantime it is making IT's job MORE complex because it is yet another category of deployment and support.
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Doesn't matter which way you do it - the old IBM addage of RAs (and it pains me to say this) is still as relevant as it was years ago -
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The old IBM mantra of RAS (pains me to say this), Reliability, Availability and Service-ability has not changed - doesn't matter how often you repeat public cloud and all the goodness it promises.

Once I have an ISV that can guarantee 99.999% availability in conjunction with the service providers up the stack from me to the clouded application service, I will be there kicking you door down for the service. Failing that - I need some throats to choke or incentivize to deliver the expected service levels.

Public cloud ? its just not there yet ? costs is a small part of the equation.
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
rebiesem@... 23rd Dec 2010
80% reduction in TCO, 100K vs 1K servers, is poorly articulated in the article and Paper. The text should always point out it is TCO/server. Common sense should guide you to the facts, but it's misleading not to state the metric completely.
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
chris_p_intel 27th Dec 2010
The comments of the readers and author on this article are certainly passionate - and well articulated. The public vs private cloud will be debated long after the end of this year and these approaches will coexist for many years also. In other words one will not discredit the other. Smart IT organizations will elect the approach that best fits their business needs.

I work in the Intel IT team. While we don't claim to have all the answers, we have elected to pursue a hybrid approach using both private and public. Our primary focus and strategy is to build a enterprise private cloud and selectively use public for non-differentiated services - and many of the other large corporate IT organizations we talk to are following a similar path.

As I read the comments here, the themes and decision points for private/public cloud were all factors that went into our decision to build an enterprise private cloud - like latency/performance, user experience (the thin vs thick argument) and security and cost.

I don't see private or public "winning" in the near future ... organizations will select an approach that is best for their business today - and that could mean "no cloud".

If you'd like to read more about Intel IT's approach to cloud ... read this whitepaper http://www.intel.com/en_US/Assets/PDF/whitepaper/wp_IT_PrivateCloud_Architecture.pdf

or check us out at www.intel.com/it

chris (@chris_p_intel)
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
crowfly@... 14th Apr 2011
This is obviously part of a marketing campaign to feed Microsoft?s Cloud services products.
Anyone with an ounce of IT savvy should see right through this campaign of misinformation. It is total BS for MOST companies who already have large IT resources and budgets and lots of legacy apps. It will be another 10 years before entire apps can be rebuilt from scratch for the cloud-model for most large organizations. Then there is the problem that, if your internet goes down ever, you loose access to EVERYTHING, and your entire business come to a stop. Internet links are always going down in different areas, just ask someone who works for the ISP's.
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
rparker@... 15th Apr 2011
Please share the Private cloud design you are comparing against? I doubt very much you have one.
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RE: Private cloud discredited, part 1
msneubarth@... 14th Dec
For a thorough discussion of this issue see "Are Private Clouds Hogwash?" at
http://www.ciozone.com/index.php/Cloud-Computing/Are-Private-Clouds-Hogwashu.htm

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