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SaaS star leaves SAP for Salesforce.com

By | July 7, 2008, 2:49pm PDT

Summary: Enterprise software giant SAP has lost Business Objects’ Steve Lucas, one of its brightest software-as-a-service stars, to Salesforce.com, where he takes up a new role driving the vendor’s platform strategy

Enterprise software giant SAP has lost one of its brightest software-as-a-service stars to SaaS titan Salesforce.com, I can exclusively reveal. Steve Lucas, who spearheaded the development of SaaS at Business Objects, acquired by SAP last year, left the company at the end of June and began work straight away at Salesforce.com, where his job title is (bear with me, it’s quite long): senior vice-president of platform marketing, AppExchange and Force.com. [Disclosure: Salesforce.com is a recent client].

Steve Lucas has left SAP for Salesforce.comLucas (pictured right, courtesy of SAP) is well regarded in the industry for his track record at Business Objects and would likely be seen as an asset for any SaaS vendor. I think his appointment sends a strong signal that Salesforce.com is determined to make a success of its platform strategy, which he and I discussed in a brief call just ahead of last weekend’s holiday — more on that in moment.

I discovered another surprise recruit also started at Salesforce.com last week. She is Erin TenWolde, who has been IDC’s lead analyst on SaaS for the past two years and spent a total of some five years on the analyst firm’s SaaS team. TenWolde knows the industry inside-out (as I joked last week, she knows where all the bodies are buried) and will be a tremendous asset to Salesforce.com’s competitive intelligence, messaging and analyst relations in her new role.

The loss of Lucas is a blow to SAP, which is battling to retain credibility for its SaaS initiatives after delaying the public roll-out of its Business ByDesign project earlier this year by 12-18 months. Lucas is proud of what has been achieved at Business Objects, but he said that SAP’s ability to make broader progress with SaaS is stymied by the lack of a central vision for the model. “SAP doesn’t have a SaaS strategy,” he told me. “They don’t have a single piece of paper that states what their SaaS strategy is.” That lack of direction was a source of frustration that contributed to his decision to leave, he said. “They know how to do this. It’s the political thing that prevents them from doing it,” he told me. “There certainly are pockets of success, but that doesn’t translate into a strategy for SaaS.”

At Salesforce.com, there’s no shortage of SaaS vision. What Lucas will be focusing on is delivering the strategy for PaaS (platform-as-a-service), which hasn’t been as smoothly executed as the vendor’s core SaaS application strategy. “We’ve got to streamline this,” he told me last week, admitting that the platform message going out to ISVs hasn’t been as clear-cut as it could have been.

Lucas said there are three main ways that ISVs can partner with Salesforce.com as a platform: “You can build, market or sell.” Force.com is designed for those that want to build applications, while AppExchange is for ISVs that already have an application of their own and are focused on marketing it. The upcoming Checkout service will be for those that want to fulfil sales using Salesforce.com infrastructure, he explained. For his first 90 days, Lucas told me he’ll focus on clarifying and streamlining the onboarding process for ISVs so that partners can get up-and-running on the right program in less than a day. “We want to make sure it’s a seamless, instant and frictionless process,” he said.

Thereafter, his sights are set ambitiously high, with Force.com seen on a par with today’s established application development platforms. “There’s no reason we can’t be more successful than a Java or .Net platform,” he told me. Based on his own experience at Business Objects, he believes the Force.com platform is a compelling proposition for ISVs. “For the price of what Force.com is going out for, it’s an outstanding amount of technology that’s available,” he told me. “I can’t understand how a company would build a business plan that could show them doing it as profitably on their own.” His task now is to take that message out to ISVs, compellingly and convincingly.

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Since 1998, Phil Wainewright has been a thought leader in cloud computing as a blogger, analyst and consultant.

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Since 1998, Phil Wainewright has been a thought leader in cloud computing as a blogger, analyst and consultant. He founded pioneering website ASPnews.com, and later Loosely Coupled, which covered enterprise adoption of web services and SOA. As CEO of strategic consulting group Procullux Ventures, he has developed an evaluation framework to help ISVs and enterprises select cloud platforms, and advises US and European vendors on messaging, positioning and go-to-market. His newest role as an industry advocate is vice-president of EuroCloud.

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RE: SaaS star leaves SAP for Salesforce.com
bjohnston5 18th Sep 2008
I can't help but to feel resentment at the success of one outstanding individual in Steve Lucas as I read some of the responses posted previously.
I would caution Mr. Benioff however to either allow Lucas to rise to his potential and give the "rants" he is so famous for or he will find himself w/out the superstar for long.
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Wolke Snow 8th Jul 2008
> ?SAP doesn?t have a SaaS strategy,?

So good to read Salesforce PR here.
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marcobus 9th Jul 2008
I don't think it is as simple as that. For someone as passonate as Steve (I had the pleasure to meet him twice) I assume Phil is not making things up. I will follow the force.com developments closely.
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alain@... 14th Jul 2008
As much as I want to believe, I'm not sure force.com could be like Java - esp. if it is a proprietary technology for nothing else than Salesforce.
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Old story, SAP is not SaaS ready currently. It is a user software product and if they don't want to make it service ready, no wonder that he is leaving. SaaS is nothing new but it can only be a product for a company selling it, for a user / customer it is, as the name says, a service, a huge difference.

A service is much more than a product, even in mainframes which have other components needed as billing information, inherited security and auditing, etc a software product needs to support many service functions. On other platforms which don't have even the rudimentary native service functions, a software product has to do even more.
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Phil - I want to agree with you, but cannot go all the way. Yes Steve was on board the wrong ship - no surprise that SAP has no SaaS strategy - but so are others from BO (now part of SAP). For SAP - and for that matter Oracle - it has become a matter of survival in the face of an onslaught of SalesForce type SaaS players encroaching their domain. They have had no choice but to do one of the 3 - 1. rewrite their entire code to support multi-tenancy, 2. rewrite the rules of the game or 3. offer a parallel product strategy based on SaaS. SAP took option 3. (Oracle is dancing between options 2 and 3).

Steve is at SalesForce as they appreciate the talent and will help foster it. They are definitely in the bricks-and-mortar game of XaaS now.

To those who believe this is pure PR stuff - yeah SalesForce gets the rap for tooting its horn too often, but I am surprised that we let SAP/Oracle and other ISVs slide so easily calling their offering "SaaS-enabled" - I think that's a bigger crime than being a pompous trail blazer :-)!
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I agree that SalesForce.com is the market leader in SaaS and with AppExchange they have done some great pioneering works where even though I have not done any coding for the past few years was able to develop a quick prototype in a couple of days.

However, most of the SaaS vendors are missing the mark of being THE platform for large enterprise and have published my take on the large enterprise needs at http://entarch.blogspot.com/2008/07/saas-requirements-for-large-enterprises.html.
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Good luck Steve.....if you would have looked at the laundry list of dead bodies star executives that failed at SFDC before you, you never would have joined. More PR hype for the masters of PR....after all who buys more analysts than SFDC....note Erin Tenwolde joining! The best is he gets to report to a President who has no clue about SaaS or technology...she should be able to provide much help for your career success Steve!
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I can't help but to feel resentment at the success of one outstanding individual in Steve Lucas as I read some of the responses posted previously.
I would caution Mr. Benioff however to either allow Lucas to rise to his potential and give the "rants" he is so famous for or he will find himself w/out the superstar for long.

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