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Ryan Naraine, Emil Protalinski and Dancho Danchev

BBC team buys a botnet, DDoSes security company Prevx

By | March 12, 2009, 6:46am PDT

Summary: Update: BBC Click’s tweet states that they took legal advice following comments on the potential violation of U.K’s Computer Misuse Act. There’s a slight chance that you may have unknowingly participated in a recent experiment conducted by the BBC. In a bit of an awkward and highly unnecessary move, a team at the BBC’s technology program Click [...]

Update: BBC Click’s tweet states that they took legal advice following comments on the potential violation of U.K’s Computer Misuse Act.

There’s a slight chance that you may have unknowingly participated in a recent experiment conducted by the BBC.

In a bit of an awkward and highly unnecessary move, a team at the BBC’s technology program Click has purchased a botnet consisting of 22,000 malware infected PCs, self-spammed themselves on a Gmail account, and later on DDoS-ed a a backup site owned by security company Prevx (with prior agreement), all for the sake of proving that botnets in general do what they’re supposed to - facilitate cybercrime.

A video of the experiment is already available. Here are more details :

Upon finishing the experiment, they claim to have shut down the botnet, and interestingly notified the affected users. Exposing cybercrime or exposing the obvious, the experiment raises a lot of ethical issues. For instance, how did they manage to contact the owners of the  infected hosts given that according to the team they didn’t access any personal information on them?

It appears that they modified the desktop wallpapers of all the infected hosts to include a link notifying them that they’ve been part of the experiment. Thanks, but no thanks.

Let’s talk money, and how much did they pay to get access to the botnet. Despite the fact that they’re not mentioning the exact amount, a quote within their article once again puts the spotlight on the dynamics of cybercrime economy :

“Computers from the US and the UK go for about $350 to $400 (£254-£290) for 1,000 because they’ve got much more financial details, like online banking passwords and credit cards details,” he said.”

I beg to differ. From my perspective based on the active monitoring of on the growing “botnet for hire” business during the last couple of years, it appears that the BBC got scammed on their way to expose the scammers by overpaying them. In a dynamic underground marketplace where transparency of the sellers and buyers doesn’t exist for the sake everyone’s anonymity, you are unable to say whether you’ve made a good or bad deal, since you’re unaware of all the propositions. Namely, the botnet you’ve just purchased is available at a cheaper price from a vendor of whose existence you’re not even aware of.

Take a peek at the screenshot from a similar service that’s been active for several years, with hosting services provided by “our dear friends” at Layered Technologies, and how cheaper their services are. See, I told you, but I didn’t and wouldn’t demonstrate you the obvious effectiveness of botnets in general. Take that for granted.

In an interview which I took from German malware researchers earlier this year, their primary concern for using a methodoly that could issue potential disinfection commands to Storm Worm infected hosts was the legal, and also, ethical side of the practice. Just like the way it should be, since their approach is among the many other the community is taking advantage of on its way to fighting cybercrime.

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RE: BBC team buys a botnet, DDoSes security company Prevx
birumut Updated - 3rd May 2011
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Did the BBC break the law?
gcluley 12th Mar 2009
Surely what the BBC did was in contravention of the UK Computer Misuse Act?

They made unauthorised changes to people's computers without their permission.

Sophos has been asked many times by the media to take part in TV programmes like this, and has always made clear that we believe their legality to be questionable. Moreover, to our mind, the dubious ethics of such experiments are without question.

The BBC might argue that it was making this TV show in the public's interest, but surely there are ways of raising awareness of threats without breaking the law? Isn't there enough spam around without journalists being given free license to take over botnets to generate more unwanted email traffic?
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With all due respect: stop already.
ejhonda 12th Mar 2009
Seems akin to someone taking away a handgun from a person who was spraying the plaza with bullets, and then complaining the person who took the gun away broke the law by stealing the gunman's personal property: the gun.

Are we really willing to assume that all these Windows PCs WILLINGLY joined the botnet? Please. If you can't adequately secure your PC nor be cognizant enough to detect you've lost control of it, then you've pretty much ceded your rights to privacy, in more ways than one.

I say bravo, BBC, for helping to highlight the problem AND taking a small bite out of it.
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Bad analogy...
techboy_z 12th Mar 2009
In this case, "the gun" is each of the infected computers -- so neither the original "botnet owner", NOR the BBC, have ownership rights -- they BOTH broke the law. Your analogy is a false one.
I guess that would put them at odds with the law.

Since the UK doesnt seem to know how to handle security research.... they could very well be in violation.
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Who said that?
ejhonda 12th Mar 2009
The rights Mr. Cluely is concerned with seems to be the PCs' owners' rights. The PCs' true owners are in possession of the gun that is spraying indiscriminately, regardless of whether that owner is the one actually pulling the trigger or not. In this case I don't see how their rights supersede the rights of the rest of the Internet community to be free from the scourge they unwittingly enable.

Given the light footprint left in the disablement of the bots, I don't see a cause for concern.
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Excellent point!
MGP2 12th Mar 2009
In this case I don't see how their rights supersede the rights of the rest of the Internet community to be free from the scourge they unwittingly enable.

I can't speak for anyone else, but if I were infected, I'd appreciate someone bringing it to my attention.
was no longer there.
I would be pretty HAPPY to have my PC cleared OFF a botnet.
The PC owners that was part of this botnet DID send out spam (without their knowledge), and that is not legal.

Apart from that: The BBC took legal advice before they started.
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Doiesn't matter what anyone said
mdsock@... 13th Mar 2009
The BBC supposedly took control of computers owned by others (a lot of them) and used them to perform tasks. That they had consent of the sites "attacked" doesn't reduce their liability in using the botnet computers without the owners' permission.

That the BBC wasn't the entity that created the botnet may limit their overall culpability. But assuming that the UK has laws against using a botnet (and I'd take for granted that it does), they are guilty of violating it.

As a general rule, the ends do not justify the means.
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Nothing wrong
croberts 12th Mar 2009
I see nothing wrong here.

1) BBC didn't install botnet software. The PCs were already infected.

2) They made sure the "attack" was against targets working with the BBC.

3) The purpose of the undercover report was to A) Verify that botnets are available for hire, and B) that they do what they are being touted as capable of.

Given what the purpose of the report was, I don't see how someone would accomplish the task (namely investigating botnet capability) without actually using one.

If you can come up with a better way of investigating the subject, I agree there would be an ethical problem. However, I don't see how and therefore the ethical dilemma doesn't exist.
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BBC didn't install botnet software. The PCs were already infected

I am not too sure about that

Software used to control thousands of home computers has been acquired online by the BBC as part of an investigation into global cyber crime

Click managed to acquire its own low-value botnet - the name given to a network of hijacked computers - after visiting chatrooms on the internet

It reads as though they did indeed go shopping on the ineternet for botnet software, as the next paragraph states:

The programme did not access any personal information on the infected PCs.
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I believe "the programme"...
MGP2 12th Mar 2009
...is the botnet control console.
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Nothing wrong?
d.s.williams Updated - 13th Mar 2009
Sure, nothing actually wrong with that, but surely it should be the police (overstretched and underfunded as they are) and not journalists (albeit also funded by the public, in this case) doing that job?
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Well done, BBC.
johnhaverysamuel 12th Mar 2009
The Britishh Joe Sixpack is more likely to take note of something the BBC does over tahn Dancho's blog.

Sorry, chaps, this type of exercise, by perhaps the most respected media brand in the world, will do more to encourage end-users than any other suggestion I've read recently.

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True investigative journalism?
d.s.williams 13th Mar 2009
I guess this is true investigative journalism, although normally, as in all scientific investigation, you should only observe, not alter, whatever it is you are investigating.
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Heisenberg
reziol 13th Mar 2009
"you should only observe, not alter, whatever it is you are investigating."

But doesn't Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle preclude you from "just observing"?
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Quite
d.s.williams 14th Apr 2009
You're right, it's an impossibility.
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Rule one...
amunar@... 13th Mar 2009
Rule one of star trek research is tio observe, but never to interfere... and as far as i can remember, it was never respected!
Interesting commentary Dancho, I like how you include screen shots to back up your observations. Keep it up!
you could use them for folding @ home :P

Thats the only legal thing i could think of.

I ran a "botnet" for a very short time and got in with the "crowd" who managed them while i was playing around. One guy was sending out porn exes to any newsgroup he could find. I wouldnt say it was the best audience, but he did say at one time he had 40,000 zombies.

Its interesting stuff. I wouldnt spend the money on someone elses botnet, it would be easier to create my own.

I would say the toughest part of the botnet is maintenance. If the anti-virus didnt get you yesterday, it might get you today. And if you modify anything on anyones computer and they notice, you can bet on losing several bots.

Search for subseven if you are interested in botnets and their inner workings. Its an old trojan but you will eventually find links to new and exciting bots and botnets. Keep in mind the websites disappear frequently, so dont get discouraged if you end up at alot of dead sites.

Are they still using IRC to control them?
Paying money for an illegal activity makes money to the hackers, Surely that is not a too clever thing to make sure they stop existing.
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They make undercover drug purchases from low level drug dealers in an attempt to work their way closer to the upper eschelon. Sometimes those lower guys get swept up, sometimes they don't. Sometimes the upper guys get busted, sometimes they don't.
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The authorities do it all the time...
gazzerjay@... 13th Mar 2009
You are quite right. The authorities do it all the time. The emphasis is on AUTHOTRITIES. They have the authorization of the courts to do such things. Did the BBC have the same authorization? I bet they didn't!
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Except
mdsock@... 13th Mar 2009
As a general rule, the police don't turn around and sell the drugs themselves, without arresting the buyer. If they do, they can be charged.
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It's not unusual
d.s.williams 13th Mar 2009
It's not unusual in investigative/undercover jorunalism.
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On a side note, ISPs could shut them all down.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 12th Mar 2009
There is not one single ISP out there who can't find, identify, and through the use of a routing table redirect 100% of infected machines through a proxy telling them they are infected. Behind that proxy, all the spamming ports are blocked, and they could even allow for browsing while infected through the proxy.

Not a single one has the, ummm, nerve to put in place a program that warns users and let's the people know they are infected. If I, for example, ran Time Warner Cable (my ISP), I would start with a few key cities, then once the teething problems (namely the help pages to help customers disinfect, etc) and botnets would be dead in a month on that network. I would also invite customers to join solely on the "We are making surfing safely our #1 priority".

I would also blacklist and shove to /dev/null all the hacker domains out there. Not one packet from these domains reaches the compromised computer. I might then go further and start blocking valid but cracked IP addresses on a prove you are clean now basis.

It only takes will. None of them have it, and you can't even get ISPs to care when user's take the time to show them a bot/spam machine in the first place.

Folks, 30% of the world's internet machines are compromised. Nothing except the above is going to stop the mess.

TripleII
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Some have the will......
middle of nowhere 12th Mar 2009
I work for a wireless ISP (WISP). We actively monitor for this behavior. Any
and all customers that are infected with a virus or malware, spambot, or
mail relay are shut down immediately.

Obviously, the customer calls in fairly quickly "your internet is broken".
We tell them to run a virus scan and call back. We then let them on the
net to get a antivirus package or update their current software.

Once they are proven to be clean, they are allowed back on.
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Awesome!
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 12th Mar 2009
I take it back and do you serve the greater San Antonio area? You might want to introduce the idea of a proxy server that has the links to major free AV/Anti-malware programs. An HTML page describing the infection, that they are infected, and how to mitigate it will probably help speed up the call in process.

Anyway, you didn't mention the ISP, and I can respect that, but they might look at advertising it as a powerful feature you offer. Leave it to non mainstream to lead the way. grin

BTW, you probably haven't spent $Billions doing this right. ;D

TripleII
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I agree with TripleII
davagain 18th Mar 2009
Props to Middle of Nowhere and his ISP. Thank
you for doing the right thing. Of course this
means that all the other ISPs that don't
monitor for this type of abuse are failing to
do so because they choose not to do it, not
because they can't do it.
So is 000Webhost.com also an experiment of the BBC?!

Or is it another botnet mimicking to be a free web hosting run by a criminal gang out of Lithuania as it seemed to me and others who unveiled their activities earlier...?
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Fw: 000webhost.com
catmedia 13th Mar 2009
Just see plenty of stories e.g. this one about DDoS attacks on CNN:
http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/04/ddos-attack-against-cnncom.html

Note the URL of at least one of those fake CNN pages.
Those guys also pretend to be banking sites for phishing, do mass SPAM attacks against everything and everybody, etc.

If you care about whether BBC broke the law trying to get some of those bastards off the street (or web) please care more about bastards like Mindaugas Lipskas (also known as "AdSenseBoy") or Aurimas Rapalis still on the lose and unharmed in Lithuania.
Despite the country being an EU member.
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Interestingly
therealbigb 13th Mar 2009
I've never heard of these two characters. A google search for Mindaugas Lipskas says that sites appearing to belong to Mindaugas Lipskas (also known as "AdSenseBoy") or selling his software are approved as safe by the LinkScanner module of AVG. In this context, safe means there are no active threats on the page or deeper linked pages. Same result for Aurimas Rapalis. So is what they're doing is more insidious than putting bad pages up?

Now I wouldn't have been looking for these guys except for this post, but I'm concerned since I have come to rely on AVG / ExploitLabs. Just goes to show, no one product can do everything.

IMNSHO, we should take all of the scammers, spammers, botnet owners etc. and hang em by the balls from fishhooks.
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Couple of points
wkeneipp@... 13th Mar 2009
There is no question that what the BBC was at least unethical. You could make an argument that it was not only if they notified the users without actually using the net. As has been implied that people who have allowed their computers to be infected somehow deserve to be be part of a botnet collective is an absurd argument. If a car owner does not lock their car, does he/she deserve to have their radio stolen?

Also, what exactly was the point? Everyone knows that botnets work and what they can do. The FBI has ample proof. Why not just do a story about a botnet which was taken out of commission by a group that actually knows the law.

As a final note, the thing that disturbed me the most is that the US' computers are worth less on the bot market than Spain's.
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Phished into reading this story...
M.W.H. Updated - 13th Mar 2009
With all due respect, I was phished into reading this story with a headline which contained the statement...

"then DDoS-es security company Prevx"

which in reality should have read...

"and later on DDoS-ed a backup site owned by security company Prevx (with prior agreement)"

That's a little different story.

The press (including ZDNet) take liberties anywhere they can to come up with a story.

Remember the NBC Dateline story about Ford pickups blowing up during an accident when in reality they stuck an explosive near the gas tank to make sure their demonstration was 'realistic'.

There's nothing to this story IMHO.
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Prostitution
Quigs 13th Mar 2009
Just be glad they weren't investigating prostitution, or the aids virus!
malware is an immense problem; the more exposure it gets the better. Exposing malware is almost a public service. How many people are familiar with DD's columns and how many people watch the BBC -even DD does apparently.

HOXCO
Hey this was not "to catch a predator". This sounds like a good job of exposing the issue without exploiting the victims. A simple note left to the victims to let them know they got 'taken' was the only polite thing to do. Not letting them know would have been leaving them vunerable. The BBC didn't mine these machines, but someone else could have and might have already. The BBC did these people a favor.
I saw the program and was pleased. I suspect the moaners were too stupid to do it themselves or expect to lose money from the disclosures on the BBC.
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How has the BBC done the PC owners a favour?
gazzerjay@... 13th Mar 2009
The BBC has taken control of 22000 pc's, committed a crime and then walks away saying, by the way your computer has been used without your permission! Why is this doing the owners a favour?The owners did not ask to join the botnet, but a "respectable" organization has used their PC's to break the law. Only the courts can give permission for "legal" lawbreaking. Did the BBC get such permission before breaking the law?
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If it helps get the message across
tony@... 13th Mar 2009
The problem is that ordinary users believe that the viruses problem etc is like the Year 2000. Just a problem that does not apply to them.

Technically the BBC may well have breached the Computer Misuse act. But this was not with malicious intent and only affected computers that were already compromised and the users were unprotected.

My non-technical users think I keep making up scare stories when I warn them about potential problems. Seeing it on then BBC makes them realise that it is not a fairy story.

For me, on balance, the public interest outweighs a technical transgression.
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I keep telling neighbours to lock their doors or they might get burgled, but some don't. if the BBC comes along, allegedly doing a story about burglaries, and enter an unlocked house and uses it for their own purposes is OK so long as they leave a note on the door saying "Well the door was unlocked!"
Were the BBC monitored during their "technical transgression" by an independent officer? Can they guarantee that they have reliquished control of all 22000 PC's? Having done this once, can we believe them if they say they won't do it again?
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So where would we rate this "abuse" of the law on a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being lying about the existence of Santa Claus and 10 being genocide)?
Personally I'd rate it at somewhere between zero and 1 - assuming of course that they did break some law or other.
The BBC by this exercise may well have alerted more people to the problem in 15 minutes than Sophos (whom I respect) and others have done in 15 years.
In this case the end does justify the means.
The lawyers can proceed by progressive,cyclical means to examine nature of their orifices.
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Great Idea, fine tune it
T Mike 14th Mar 2009
We see the numbers concerning unknown infected PCs'...they are staggering !
But still, untill the slap of being 'touched' by this problem lands on your or your cubicle workers desktop screen- it seems soooo very far away.
So, yes- let's see a "big/deep pocket sponsor" take this project on again & let's see how many desktop screens we can change with a link to "how to close the door"
IMO, run properly this could be alot of help with some shock value grass-roots education.
later- Aegis1
My thoughts entirely.
The other thing to remember is that this program is aimed at a general audience, not an audience of geeks who think they know it all. I saw the programme twice and thought it a good demonstration of what can happen. In addition to explaining what botnets are, why they exist and why some are more costly than others to buy, they also pointed out who the customers are who buy them.
ZDNet subscribers might think they know everything (and maybe they do) but I'd say that most computer users, whether at home or work, have a very hazy if any idea about computer security and what goes on behind the graphical interface.
Bravo BBC for making the effort to combat ignorance.
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like this one.

When it comes to writing these articles, real news would be that people pull their heads out of their butts and take charge of their lives instead of whining whenever they see someone else do just that.

Oh, never mind. Just carry on.
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HALLP, i been fighting the original hacker and botnet since aug 2008. every way i found to detect and remove, they immeditally fixed.

you all are mistaken on the setup of the botnet.
its highest priority was to be undetectable and the conficters were detectable on purpose. i been pinging over 2000 ips per hour 24/7 since feb 2009. and every system or service i use gets immediatly infected. even fbi got infected after they called apr 17. and ya wonder why skype errored months ago, its cause i talked to security people through it, and i told them not to be alarmed when it screws up. i dont have the knowhow(and am a computer expert) to accessing areas of the motherboard and getting into the firmware. the main part of the worm uses radio packet injections through flaws into your motherboard and even uses your phone and tower.
now you tell me how an average person can protect himself from this.

no security blocks it. it uses 2 connections, one through a the botnet from altered bios/kernel, firmware/BUS, radio frequencys, and collects info. then he creates a 2nd connection multiple ways. for me, altered HUBS and routers. i will tell you this, this hacker cant dns poison a linksys router. at least not since i been fighting it, he said it fixes to fast. but i am forces to use a hub for a thumb modem from altel. the reason ya cant rid the worm besides total hijacking, is cause its set in timers and spread through multiple services and sites. if security removed it from my systems, other systems around the world has parts that check and put it back if not found.

also if i alter it in some way, it notices tampering and removes it so the other parts can replace.

dont be fooled by the other botnets to throw you away from the info i have.
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i know more about original botbet and hacker than anyone. i can garantee that if you get the original hacker(my dns info linked to him), and get the shutdown code attempted and worked for 3 days, i can garantee that the new botnets(most of them) wont work. they uses a system thats already in place. no mention of the main worm at any security sites yet. it uses 2 connections, one through altered bios/firmware/kernel, radio packet injections(also from phone and phone tower),. to get in the first way, then collects info or the hacker sends the worm commands through incoming cookies using created root certificates. if you block/allow/view, it doesnt matter, the worm intercepts the packet. also it runs independant of any os, and you may find fat12 and fat16 partions some containing linux or windows pe that also gets used.
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if ya wanna know the truth, the botnets bought may give little info, but if you knew what i knew. i bet the botnet uses a system already in place, also if you have a botnet, does it show you how to use radio waves to get in through the BUS. if not, your waisting your time.

the reason this botnet is so advanced, is cause a judge gave a hacker a job with fbi, then fbi went bad. i intercepted "master Spynter" in 2008 which linked to darkmarket.org.

also my internal IPs kept altering, 2 being my isp, and 1 being from PA aka fbi national training center.
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Well done! Thank you very much for professional templates and community edition
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