Apple: The low-cost producer

By | August 4, 2011, 11:53am PDT

Summary: The competition is unable to match Apple’s prices in tablets and ultrabooks. The PC world’s low-margin, cut-price, zero-investment strategy has crippled them in the new high-growth markets Apple pioneered.

The competition is unable to match Apple’s prices in tablets and ultrabooks. The PC world’s low-margin, cut-price, zero-investment strategy has crippled them in the new high-growth markets Apple pioneered.

Forget everything you’ve heard about the Apple Tax.

Tablets
No one has come up with a $499 tablet that compares with iPad 2. They are all slower, buggier, heavier, hotter and have less battery life.

Some have snuck in below Apple by using smaller displays, like 7″ Samsung Galaxy Tab for a mere $435. That’s why other tablets are struggling to get a toehold against the iPad.

But Android is winning the battle for most malware on a platform. A battle Apple is happy to lose.

Ultrabooks
Intel is pushing ultrabooks and the name fits the new MacBook Airs. I have last year’s 13″ 4/128GB model and it is a powerful little machine despite the old 1.86GHz Core Duo 2.

The new I7 MBA is clocking in at 2.5x. Would-be PC ultrabook competitors are complaining that they aren’t competitive:

. . . designing an ultrabook based on Intel’s technical suggestions will still be unable to reduce the machine’s price level to lower than the MacBook Air’s unless Intel is willing to reduce its prices, which already account for ⅓rd of the total cost. If Intel does reduce its prices there is a chance for vendors to provide pricing below US$1,000.

But that’s not all. Digitimes also reports that even with more than 20,000 CNC lathes operating 7×24, there isn’t enough capacity for competitors to match Apple’s unibody case design. The vendors can’t afford to buy more CNC machines, so they’re going for cheaper fiberglass.

The good news: fiberglass chassis will allow them to lower prices by $50-$100. The bad news: it’s plastic.

Displays
You can’t buy a cheaper 27″ 2560×1440 display than Apple’s Thunderbolt Display. Samsung has announced one - the S27A850D - that might be a $100 cheaper but no one seems to have them.

The Samsung lacks the 49 watt speakers and the world’s 1st Thunderbolt I/O hub. The hub supports 3 powered USB 2.0 ports, a FireWire 800 port, a Gigabit Ethernet port and a Thunderbolt port.

OS X
Apple OS X Lion is only $29.99. The server version - which includes many services like DNS, VLANs, a cluster file system, mail and calendar servers, and unlimited user support - is $49.99. The only competitor on price is Linux.

Windows doesn’t come close at retail. And they won’t either: Microsoft needs the revenue to support its money-losing businesses like search.

The Storage Bits take
Is this the end of the old no-investment, low-margin PC business model? Yes, it is.

PC vendors let Microsoft and Intel pay for innovation and development while they competed on price. It was a successful strategy, keeping Windows dominant and driving down system prices.

But they assumed a steady-state market. And the smartphone/tablet world is not steady-state.

People who don’t need a keyboard on a desk are deserting. PC sales are dropping and we’re just getting started.

The low-margin PC model has left vendors unable or unwilling to invest in the costly manufacturing technologies and large upfront payment supply contracts that Apple uses to differentiate itself. Apple also acquires small technology companies as needed to get exclusive access to compelling technologies.

It looks like Apple has built itself a long-term competitive advantage - turning the overhyped “Apple Tax” into a compelling new narrative: Apple the low-cost producer.

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RE: Apple: the low-cost producer
LoverockDavidson 4th Aug
I have a hard time believing that you think $500 for a tablet and $1000 for a notebook is low cost. Now I know the article is full of it once I read this line:
PC sales are dropping and we?re just getting started.

An article on ZDNet just stated that PC sales were up 2.6%. You need to do better research.
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@LoverockDavidson If you had read the article, you would have noted that $500 for a tablet is cheap if you look at the price range of tablets of similar specifications and functionality. And again, if you had read the article, you would see that the author is not suggesting that "$1000 for a notebook is low cost." Rather, the author is suggesting that "$1000 for an ultrabook is low cost."

Regarding your reference to the article, you missed an extremely important keyword: "just." PC sales were up JUST 2.6%. In fact, if you had read the author's statement that "PC sales are dropping," with an open mind instead of a cynical one, you would understand that the author means to express that GROWTH in PC sales has slowed significantly.


&tldr; Learn to read. =)
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RE: Apple: the low-cost producer
LoverockDavidson 4th Aug
@fumoboy007
I read the article and I still stand by my statements. $500 is too much for a tablet that only has limited use, and $1000 is too much for an ultrabook which is a notebook when you can buy 2 for the same price. The other article clearly stated PC sales are up. I'm right and your wrong.
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@fumoboy007 If you had read the article, you would have noted that $500 for a tablet is cheap if you look at the price range of tablets of similar specifications and functionality.

Just bought the Acer A500 for $300.00. Similar specifications and functionality.
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@LoverockDavidson

"I'm right and your wrong."

Priceless.
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RE: Apple: the low-cost producer
Peter Perry 4th Aug
@fumoboy007 Not really, the Viewsonic GTab is only $299 (not running honeycomb but a Modding favorite!

The Transformer is $399 and may not have the build of the Apple but in other areas it is as good.

The XOOM is $499 for the WIFI version and the only thing the iPad 2 has over it is weight. Everything thing else is steadily swinging the XOOMs way... The 3.2 Update should correct the Browsing Issues and Add the SD Card Support thus making it the Tablet to beat for Build Quality and Feature Set amongst the Honeycomb Bunch.
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RE: Apple: the low-cost producer
Peter Perry 4th Aug
@DeRSS, depends on what you use it for...

If you use it for watching HD video on the Tablet, then it is better.

If you use it for Gaming Emulators with a Bluetooth Controller then it is better.

If you use it to purchase books from within your eReader Apps like Kindle or Nook, then it is better.

If you use it for GPS then it is better.

You see, better is relative!
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ParsonsJon Updated - 7th Aug
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@Badgered

I have an iPad 2 and A500. The A500 is .. "nice" .. but it doesn't come anywhere near close to touching the iPad 2. Mine still hasn't even gotten the official 3.1 update, had to resort to custom roms. 3.1 makes it much better then 3.0.1, but still not close. The screen is also terrible compared to the iPad's.
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@fumoboy007,
Nice try fanboy. He was wrong about PC sales, period. The iPad is great for someone who wants to watch videos, play phone style games, and listen to music.
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@fumoboy007 As long as they get people buying media from ITunes they can sell it for that cheap. I buy my media from Amazon because its way way cheaper.
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RE: Apple: the low-cost producer
Andre Richards Updated - 5th Aug
@randmart: "The iPad is great for someone who wants to watch videos, play phone style games, and listen to music."

Not only are you completely wrong about that (my iPad has replaced about 90% of my laptop use) but it's obvious you haven't checked out the state of gaming on iOS which is well beyond simply "phone style games." but hey, maybe I'm wrong and you can show me a phone running Infinity Blade, Metalstorm or Marathon.
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Badgered Updated - 5th Aug
@all

Yes, the iPad is nicer in several ways... but the A500 is also nicer in some ways. SD, USB, etc.. etc.. oh yeah... and price. The point was Similar in specifications and functionality... not an exact match item for item. Sorry, but for saving $200 (even more if you consider I can make it a 48GB tablet for less than any wi-fi version of the iPad) it works great for me.
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@DeRSSS Similar, but still way worse than iPad; hence the difference in price

Way Worse? Seriously... you have too high an opinion of the iPad.
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@tk_77 The A500 is .. "nice" .. but it doesn't come anywhere near close to touching the iPad 2. Mine still hasn't even gotten the official 3.1 update, had to resort to custom roms

"nice"... hmm.. I suppose that depends on your point of view.

Mine had the 3.1 update ready to download and install the day I bought it. Which is really "nice" btw.
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RE: Apple: the low-cost producer
ExEC135CrewDog 5th Aug
@fumoboy007 This is the same pathetic thing that goes on when somebody buys a new 2011 SuperWhizBang Turbo V8 Ultra Extra Special Deluxe, made in the Himalay's by Kung-Fu Master motors. They exclaim, " It is just like a BMW/Mercedes/Aston Marton/Lotus, etc (Add the name of the car/motorcycle/ATV/PWC that pushes your button), BUT CHEAPER!!!". If the object of your dreams is not the SuperWhizBang, but one of the aforementioned 'objects'd art', save your bucks and buy the real item, even a certified used can be had for much less than retail. Inverse observation: I know the 2011 SuperWhizBang Turbo V8 Ultra Extra Special Deluxe, and it is NOT a BMW/Mercedes/Aston Marton/Lotus, etc (Add the name of the car/motorcycle/ATV/PWC that pushes your button), BUT CHEAPER!!!"; it doesn't have the component subset, it lacks the build quality, and if your object is peer envy, well sparky, let me know how that works for you. All you Apple/Dell/HP/Whatever lovers and haters, Give it a rest. Well, except maybe you HP haters - they are measurablely terrible - got a labful and their downtime is attrocious compared to Dell servers, as is their support.
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Feds Against Guns 5th Aug
@fumoboy007 what this article forgets is that there are cheaper tablets out there that use the same hardware as the galaxy tab xoom and basically ally ipad2 the viewsonic gtablet was down to $280 at one point it has the dual core arm cortex A9 capable of 2ghz, as well as the nvidia tegra 250 8 core GPU/chipset same as the ipad 2 and i believe it had 16gb of storage and either 512mb or 1gb of DDR2 I don't think any of the tablet makers have it down yet, I want to do everything that my PC can(windows Mac and Linux) supposedly windows 8 might be designed to eleviate my woes because it is supposed to be even more universal, I hope Mac does the same for OS but I'm guessing not
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@LoverockDavidson

you say the iPad is expensive yet it is CHEAPER than it's competitors with better specs. Your defence is "$500 is too much for a tablet that only has limited use, and $1000 is too much for an ultrabook which is a notebook when you can buy 2 for the same price."

IF you don't care about SPECS (Build quality, materials i.e aluminium vs plastic, battery life, weight etc...) then you might as well compare a PC with a pocket calculator...

what is the point? Seriously the only valid comparison is when you compare something of EQUAL specs.


The Xoom when launched was $800 without a contract and sucky battery life: Wall Street Journal : "Alas, while the Xoom claims up to 10 hours of video playback, I got just 7 hours and 32 minutes. By contrast, on the same test, the iPad, which also claims 10 hours, logged 11.5 hours, or four hours more." Also Ars Technica, Anand Tech etc say the iPad is 2 to 7 times faster than the Xoom in various tests.

so right now in the CATEGORIES it COMPETES IN Apple is the low cost leader. Saying that PLASTIC PC with sub par components (keyboards, power units, batteries) thicker heavier, generally more fugly (f* up ugly) is cheaper than a MacBook Air (Laptop Magazine reviews it Five Stars out of Five) is pointless.
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LoverockDavidson 4th Aug
@Davewrite
What is the point? You asked that question and so am I. I won't compare specs because there is no point. Both the $1000 Apple notebook and a $500 notebook will do the same thing. You don't honestly believe that because Firefox will run on a $1000 Apple its somehow going to work better than when it runs on other hardware. Hate to tell you but both will run a lot of the same applications, at least the ones that are cross platform anyway. That's why specs don't matter. If your into wasting money on a metallic case then be my guest, but the laptop's internals are going to be the same and do the same.

The tablets are still overpriced. The $800 Xoom and the iPad for $500, both overpriced for what they do. You get to watch a movie on it, ooh big deal. $500 for a dvd player, seriously dude.
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LoverockDavidson
Davewrite Updated - 4th Aug
@LoverockDavidson

"Both the $1000 Apple notebook and a $500 notebook will do the same thing."

really? when the $500 notebook runs out of battery while you're working and the Macbook is humming along, does it do the same thing? (like my post quoting WSJ said even the Xoom rated at 10 hrs actually has 4 hrs less battery than the 10 hr iPad because Apple uses top of the line material. Cheap PCs will have the same issues as the Xoom). When the cheap PC keyboard falls apart (I've used PCs before, they inferior build quality gives endless problems) etc do they work the same? when you can't see properly because the screens are so low quality do they work the same?

when you don't compare specs saying Apple is overpriced is pointless. Many no name Chinese computers are cheaper than Dells, HPs or Sonys, do you honestly believe they function the same day in day out?

and your argument that the iPad is just a DVD player is really clueless ... doctors, the military, all kinds of businesses (huge numbers of Fortune 500 are deploying them), architects, engineers etc use them.. just to watch movies? Can a soldier calculate ballisctic profiles in the field with a DVD player, can a Doctor access live patient records and input new data on a DVD player, SHOOT can you even get the INTERNET on a DVD Player... ? (your statement : "$500 for a dvd player, seriously dude."... REALLY says something about you and it's not good)
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RE: Apple: the low-cost producer
Peter Perry 4th Aug
@Davewrite You might want to pick a different argument than battery life because 5 hours for my AIR is beat by my wife's $340 Laptop by about 40 minutes.

Also, the tests by Anandtech, they admitted they were flawed tests and others repeated the blunders.

As for the XOOM Battery Life, it actually does get very close to 10 Hours, if not longer, since the 3.1 Update. Never really worried about the 7 hour claims because I was always getting 8 hours from the device and now am over 10.
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RE: Apple: the low-cost producer
Peter Perry 4th Aug
@Davewrite Oh and one more note, some competitors come in at similar pricing to the Air while using Carbon Fiber Casings...

Which do you think will hold up better, Aluminum or Carbon Fiber?

For the record, said competitors use Aluminum for the bottom to aid in Cooling and Carbon Fiber for the top to Better Protect the Screen... Now that's Innovative!

In terms of being the best on the Market, I personally feel the Macbook Air is the only product Apple has that is truly best in class and that's why I considered it worth the purchase. If you look at all the other products they have, they either lack in features or pricing.
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Davewrite Updated - 4th Aug
@Peter Perry

your wife's laptop has better battery life than an Air?
really? did you use comparative tests? how much processing power does that laptop have? What kind and size screen? how much weight?

I remember a guy arguing with me his laptop was more powerful etc than a macbook? then we find out it's near 2 pounds heavier.... Shoot, my Power Mac is more powerful than his laptop if you don't care about weight...

it's useless like I said unless you use comparative specs. What the article states and is repeated by others that rivals making laptops and tablets SPECIFIALLY TARGETING the Air and iPad doesn't cost less.

as for the Xoom, that's really apologetic.. " Never really worried about the 7 hour claims because I was always getting 8 hours ", (what were doing with the Xoom to get 7 hrs? Did you test the SAME tasks on the iPad to see the difference? like I quoted the WSJ in COMPARATIVE tests they got 4 hrs more on the iPad. In general usage - i.e light tasks mixed with heavy - lots of people got OVER 10 hrs with the iPad) "Never worried about the 7 hrs claims".. Man that sounds like EXCUSES ... like saying "I was never worried about the crummy performance of my Yugo that costs more than your Mercedes because I don't really drive fast or need to save money.. ".
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RE: Apple: the low-cost producer
rhonin Updated - 4th Aug
@Davewrite
Lets see.....
ASUS Transformer = 379$
ASUS UL30 (i3 128gbSSD 1gb video, etcc) 829$ and 10+ hours of real battery life (by the way it is 12 months old)

The realm the MBA plays in is this based on marketing hype that Apple does very well. Hardware wise it is pretty much ho hum - I did consider one but loading Win7 as the only OS is midly problematic and the battery life was way low for my use.

I also have an iPad2.

They all do great stuff, they all are comparable.
I went with what works for me.
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@rhonin and ALL others: go follow the thread.
Davewrite Updated - 4th Aug
@rhonin

sheessh... you guys keep saying my PC is cheaper etc etc.. fine, I'm not arguing against that, go look at the thread.

what my point was Apple is now the low cost leader in the CATEGORIES IT COMPETES IN. the 'ultrabooks' which rivals are aiming at the Macbook air and tablets at the iPad aren't cheaper and in fact might be more expensive (that is due to Apple's dominance in scale in certain categories.) my argument that not comparing specs: battery life, weight, power, build quality but just saying 'cheaper' is pointless in regards to what this article is going at (apple is low cost leader in the categories it competes in). Over and over again rivals claiming 'comparable' to Apple's products fall short like the example I gave: Wall Street Journal found the 10 hr Xoom is 4 hours LESS than the 10 hr iPad. Cheaper PC screens although supposedly 'equal' in pixels in test show more color inaccuracies, blurrer text. Reviewers say cheap chinese tablets with resistive screens don't even respond when you press hard at the screen and wifi drops 10 feet from the source. etc. etc

If you want poorer build quality etc PC for lower price and works fine for you great! I'm not arguing against that. I'm just pointing out to haters that say their PCs are so much cheaper than the Air aren't comparing specs like Loverock who said the iPad is a worthless '$500 DVD player' (a DVD player can't even surf the web much less run hundreds of thousands of apps). Saying that a $350 PC is as good as a mac is b.s .

I've used PCs before and one of my monitors I'm looking at connected to my Mac Pro is a Dell (a high rez IPS which was a good deal at the time).
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RE: Apple: the low-cost producer
LoverockDavidson 5th Aug
@Davewrite
Battery life, that four hours is plenty of time. I don't know of anyone who grabs a notebook and says "I think I'll stay unplugged for 10 hours and do work." Most people go about 2 hours without being plugged in. I never had a keyboard fall apart on me. Maybe you are deliberately going in there and popping the keys off. You press them down from the top. Its a simple concept. And yes I am saying the iPad is nothing more than a glorified DVD player. Keep repeating how people are using them but I haven't seen any proof yet. All I read was enterprises are evaluating them. No full on deployments.
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@Davewrite
You asked so I answered: Transformer + Keyboard

@LoverockDavidson
Some of us do need it. I travel a lot (long flights) and frequently to locations where plug in is limited or inconvenient. It may not be a must have but it is a really really really nice to have.
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@LD
I go to my favorite coffee shop, at any one time there are many people using their PC laptops, notebooks and Macs or Mac Air. I noticed that all PC laptops and notebooks are plugged in the power outlets, the Macs run on battery. I have seen this many times.

Your assertion that specs don't matter is nonsense. A BMW is not the same as a Chevy...
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@LoverockDavidson
Yep, ZDNET has more and more Drummonds. wink
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@LoverockDavidson

You are a bit like a party spokesman for the ZIL factory in the USSR who was convinced their car was the best and that everyone else made the wrong product.
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LoverockDavidson 5th Aug
@martin23
Because I'm right.
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ExEC135CrewDog 5th Aug
@LoverockDavidson what are you? Twelve? "I'm right and you're (find a dictionary) wrong! Who cares how many brand A/D/I you can buy for the same price? Is that somehow even relevant? Somebody else said that they can buy other tablets @ a 50-60% discount - thing is, I've never heard of them, and good luck trying to get service in 2-3 years - or at Christmas for that matter. Buy quality once and use it until you have identified a valid requirement for a replacement. When you do, buy the best one you can find after some research and putting the funds needed in place.
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LoverockDavidson 5th Aug
@ExEC135CrewDog
I do buy quality when I see it. I don't buy overpriced equipment. Given the current prices of tablets and the MBA they are not low cost.
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@ExEC135CrewDog
Don't forget, this is the same guy who says the new Win Phone 7 is selling like hot-cakes, yet I STILL have not seen any figures release as to the quantity sold to the general public.
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@LoverockDavidson

Get your head out of the microsoft sand. Frankly you need to understand that the world is changing.
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LoverockDavidson 5th Aug
@davidmpaul
I didn't mention Microsoft. Your envy is showing.
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davisnewman 5th Aug
@LoverockDavidson So.... just who is going to produce a tablet that equals the iPad for less. The world is waiting. Don't get me wrong, I would love to pay less, I just haven't seen any creditable competition.
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LoverockDavidson 5th Aug
@davisnewman
Hopefully no one. Lets hope they stop producing tablets all together.
This article is a classic example of "when you cant change the facts, change the spin".

Lets hit the points one by one.

Firstly, iPad pricing.

The iPad is a particularly unique product in a world of billions of products. Its unique because its a product that is actually not particularly useful to the majority of the people who purchased it. When I say that, I'm not saying its USELESS, I'm saying its not particularly useful to most people who bought it. I'm also not saying its not particularly useful to anybody, because as the Apple fanatics have recently taken to pointing out there are some fields of work, such as medical and a few others where the iPad can be useful. But, despite that fact we are still talking about a very small percentage of the numbers of multiple millions that have sold, and that is what makes it unique, its not that useful yet millions on millions were sold.

Its also a problematic product as a result because its not cheap, its not such a big deal creating a not so useful product that still sells because its dirt cheap, it is a big deal to create a not so useful product that sells in tens of millions of units when the cheapest model is $500+.

And it is true that the other competitors in this area cannot really crack the iPad price point on a feature per dollar basis. But in this case, it comes across as a "SO WHAT" point for those who get the fact that the iPad is NOT the next big thing, it, and all its competing products are a class of products that are inherently overpriced across the board because they generally offer up little utility or value in relation to what they cost compared to what they can do, what they can replace and what new capabilities they bring to the table.

Continued...
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@Cayble
iPad consumer satisfaction is an amazing 91%. There are numerous reports that support this. Here is one:
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/20/survey-ipad-customer-satisfaction-is-at-91/

You say iPad is not particularly useful. I beg to differ.
It is a content consumption device as opposed to content creation. Computer users who mainly consume content outnumber the content creators 10 to 1. That's what Steve Jobs figured out and that's why the iPad is so popular...
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Please stop with the falsehood
toddybottom Updated - 4th Aug
OS X is not $29. It would be like saying that Xbox is $0* and that Sony and Nintendo "don't come close at retail".

Other than the obvious question of what any of this article has to do with storage (I was expecting to read about how inexpensive Apple hard drives were) you are absolutely right. Apple is killing the competition. The market right now is extremely sick and while you are celebrating Apple's profits (for what reason, I cannot tell) I am worried that competitors are simply going to leave. That isn't good.












*only if you buy a Windows PC
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@toddybottom

Well now the upgrade cost IS $29.00. Obviously taking a loss on the software since they're more of a hardware company anyway. It's okay, they can make that look enticing when compared to a Windows 7 upgrade... as long as you look past the part where you have to run it on overpriced Apple hardware.
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@Badgered

Except it is not over priced. Apple hardware with similar specs to PC hardware (including weight, size, etc), by major companies, is priced similarly, and in some categories, is cheaper.

A Yugo was cheaper than a Toyota. Are you going to claim the differences there didn't matter?
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Peter Perry 4th Aug
@Chadpengar That isn't true for most Apple Products.

The AIR, this is true for but the others it isn't accurate.

The iPad 2 costs $20 less than the XOOM to make and yet the XOOM has USB, HDMI, Barometer, GPS, 1 Gig of RAM, 32 Gig of Internal Storage, an SD Card Slot for the same price as the 16 Gig iPad 2. Oh and the XOOM's 8 core GPU is fully programable thanks to nVidia's CUDA (think this doesn't help, research what it does for encoding and ripping of blurays).
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Badgered Updated - 5th Aug
@ Except it is not over priced. Apple hardware with similar specs to PC hardware (including weight, size, etc) , by major companies, is priced similarly, and in some categories, is cheaper.

Seriously... you guys are still doing that... Ok try this instead... Show me an Apple Laptop with similar specs to (including weight, size, Memory, Processor, etc), and is cheaper than the Samsung 350U2B.

A Yugo was cheaper than a Toyota. Are you going to claim the differences there didn't matter?

If that Yugo had more horsepower, roomier interior, and used the same parts manufacturer as the Toyota... then yes, I'd claim they don't matter.
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Richard Flude Updated - 4th Aug
PC makers made their own problem, tying themselves with MS and windows. The lack of excitement from MS is what's killing them.

So what if a few PC hardware manufacturers disappear. It won't materially affect the market, the problem is windows and none have supported any alternatives until very recently.
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Blaming Windows is a copout
toddybottom 4th Aug
@Richard Flude
Robin makes a ton of great points, none of which have anything to do with Windows. You use the coward's argument by blaming everything on Microsoft. It is old and tiring and almost always false, your lame argument is no exception.

You are also absolutely, totally, and utterly wrong when you say that none have supported any alternative OSs. PC makers supported MacOS at one point until Apple (not the PC makers) decided to withdraw MacOS from the market. PC makers have tried to sell Linux for years on PCs and all have failed miserably.

While I think the PC market will survive the loss of a couple competitors, the tablet market will not. Apple does not compete in the low end PC market but they have a monopoly in the high end laptop market, the ultrabook market, and a profit monopoly in the tablet market that will very soon translate into an absolute monopoly in that market too. None of this is healthy for consumers. None of it.
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RE: Apple: the low-cost producer
Peter Perry 4th Aug
@Toddybottom Apple did try to negotiate but, they couldn't get the clone makers to agree to pay ridiculous prices for their OS (it was not OS X at the time) so they took their ball and went home.
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Cry copout, give nothing
Richard Flude 4th Aug
toddybottom cries wrong, provides as supporting evidence a few MacOS clone makers a decade ago (none with any volume) and Linux. None of the major PC makers have promoted Linux until recently (HP jumping in). Even when an option you had to jump through hops to find them, and they were priced at or above windows.

PC manufacturers relied on MS and windows to drive product innovation. Vista was a disaster for them, and the tablet & smartphone markets are passing them by because MS still hasn't written an acceptable OS. Decry this as much as you like but it is the reality supported by the manufacturers themselves.

So the "coward's argument" is the only argument presented.
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