Hooray! Blu-ray BD+ hacked!

Hooray! Blu-ray BD+ hacked!

Summary: The good folks at SlySoft announced last week that they'd broken the BD+ copy protection scheme:With today's release of version 6.4.

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The good folks at SlySoft announced last week that they'd broken the BD+ copy protection scheme:

With today's release of version 6.4.0.0 of AnyDVD HD it is now also possible to make backup security copies of Blu-ray discs protected with BD+.

Cool.

Is unbreakable consumer copy protection possible? It sure doesn't look like it. After all, consumers have access to:

  1. The protected data
  2. The device that can read the protected data
  3. The unprotected data - via HDMI

Serious data protection schemes seek to keep at least 1 and preferably 2 of these out of the hands of possible code breakers. German codes during WWII relied on a machine to encode and decode the data. It wasn't until the British got their hands on one of them - thanks to the Polish underground - that they were able to start unraveling the codes.

Deliver all 3 and it is hard to see how a workable, mass-production system can possibly avoid penetration. But as long as Hollywood wants to control access, inventors will come forward claiming they've "solved" the problem.

The Storage Bits take Strong copy protection will never stop determined criminals from large-scale counterfeiting. What it does do is discourage people who buy legitimate disks from using the content the way they want - whether watching it on their iPhone or ripping it to a flash drive to take on a trip.

Those of us with young children know how tough they can be on digital media - so it sure is nice to give the kid a backup copy rather than the original. All these cases fall under the doctrine of "fair use" - a doctrine Hollywood has sought to eliminate.

Onerous copy protection hurts Hollywood more than it helps, because it makes other, unprotected, digital media products more attractive: easier to watch; easier to share; and easier to create new content with. The democratization of digital media raises the bar for Hollywood productions.

Which benefits all of us who enjoy being entertained or enlightened. SlySoft's product will make Blu-ray more attractive for consumers, not less. Ultimately, that is a good thing for Hollywood too.

Comments welcome, of course.

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  • And, as it is common for Mexicans to cross the border and buy DVD players,

    when they return to Mexico, the only movies that work in them are the pirated ones. Not exactly the situation that the movie industry wanted . . . .
    DonnieBoy
    • If HD-DVD was still around, regions wouldn't be an issue...

      If HD-DVD was still around, regions wouldn't be an issue.

      Besides, it's not the pirating, it's being able to rip my DVD
      collection onto a HDD and not worrying about my DVDs
      getting scratched or ruined so I can't watch them anymore.

      It's cheaper to buy a couple 1TB drives and backup all my
      DVDs (and now HD movies) than it would be to invest in a
      multi-disc DVD carrousel. Not to mention that a 100-disc
      Blu-Ray carrousel would probably be several thousand
      dollars. Besides, iTunes shows the box artwork and
      extremely user-friendly when navigating several hundred
      DVDs.

      I'll stick to moving DVDs that [b]I purchased[/b] to a
      different medium so that I may enjoy them longer.
      olePigeon
    • Wow you are ignorant

      Are US people really that ignorant?

      First: People from Mexico dont "need" to go and buy original DVD's to the US. We have stores to do that, and the prices are the same on either side of the border.

      Second: A multi-region DVD player is really cheap (20-30 us dollars) depending on the store. ?can they afford it? yes. Mexicans do work, do earn money and most of them (the medium class) have almost the same life level as US medium class people (if not better on some cases)


      Third: The majority of people in Mexico do buy original items. The modern problem is not buying illegal copies of movies. Its downloading them form the internet, and for that everyone (yeap including you, and a great deal of US people) is to blame.

      They want people to buy their movie disks? make them better, make them cheaper, so people will rather buy them than downloading them.

      And stop your racist comments especially if you ignore the social conditions of a country.
      Argodes
      • Hold on one minute there, Argodes

        [i]Are US people really that ignorant[/i]

        What, like you have to group us all together as ignorant?

        Don't judge all US citizens by DonnieBoy, he's shown a few times that he's ignorant on many subjects, and this just happens to be another one of them.

        But moving on, I can't agree with the comment that [i]They want people to buy their movie disks? make them better, make them cheaper, so people will rather buy them than downloading them[/i] as unfortuneately, many people will still download for free what may cost them 4.99

        Example: a band (I forget who) recently placed their songs on their site for downlaod, with a the option to "pay what you want".

        Out of all the downloads, I beileve it was less then 20% of the people who did paid any money at all.
        John Zern
        • Radio Head

          Actually they ended up wildly successful with that venture. Sure they didn't get all the people paying but many paid quite handsomely and when the CD came it went right to the top.

          You are right though. There are always freeloaders. They are the type that will take it if they can get it but wouldn't buy if they can't get it. I know quite a few of these types. They aren't downloaders but they hack statalite recievers to get free Satalite tv.

          A lot of people will buy if the price is right. DVDs if priced low enough turn into impulse purchases. I know I've done it. "oh looks this movie is $4.99" into the basket it goes as I shop at Walmart. I've ended up with enough DVDs in my basket to ask my self how that $20 shopping trip turned into a $100 shopping trip. That's the market they should try to hit with DVD sales. Get those impulse buyers and you'll get huge numbers buying. Thing is the price has to be low enough that it slipps into that basket. When it's $5 I don't think about what I'm buying. When it's $25 I think about it 9 times out of 10 it ends up back on the shelf.
          voska1
        • Argodes' minute

          "you have to group us all together as ignorant?"

          No iz gez weez bee onlee bout 60-70% ignrunt.

          "he's shown a few times that he's ignorant on many subjects, and this just happens to be another one of them."

          Isn't pretty much everyone, John? I notice he isn't back with a reply yet unlike most threads posted in. Maybe he realizes he's put his foot in it (or as alluded to by marco, Voska is his less evil nym :o)

          "Out of all the downloads, I beileve (sic) it was less then 20% of the people who did paid any money at all."

          And I believe that tiny (or not) amount of money made was far more than they would have made using RIAA approved leeches 'n lamprey production channels.

          :o)
          Jack-Booted EULA
        • It's radiohead but

          the percentage that pay isn't necessarily meaningful. I bought the CD in January. I was going to D/L it, but for some reason, I got asked to pay before I downloaded (probably because, like most Radiohead sites, it wasn't intuitively designed)....I declined. Truth be told, even if I thought it was the best album ever recorded, I wouldn't have bought it. I don't buy Lossy files, and those were relatively low quality files at that.

          But more than my prejudice against lossy, the only important metric is how much money they averaged per download. If the average paying downloader spent 7 bucks, then Radiohead probably made about as much as they would from selling a CD to all the downloaders.

          Ultimately, however, I think you're right. People don't value music anymore. We hear all the BS about albums are bad and music costs too much, but the truth is that people just don't want to pay for them, nor do they want to put the effort into [i]getting[/i]an album. They want every song to be as catchy as the single they heard a thousand times, and that will rarely happen. Maybe it's just that we have more things to distract us. Maybe it's because all radio and videos are based on singles, but whatever it is, sales are dismal.

          OTOH, I don't htink tht's the case with dvd, though it may go that way. For me, I know I buy less, because prices have gone up in the last 10 years, while features have fallen. Yes there's the super deluxe versions, but those, in particular, have gone up in price. Then again, I get the impression that most people never watch the extras. I don't always watch them all, but I normally enjoy watching them at least once. I've passed on the last few Potter DVDs, because they went from a nicely priced deluxe 2 disk set to a stripped down single disk for the same price (maybe a bit more) or a deluxe version for about 2x as much as the old 2D sets.

          Life goes on and my money stays in my wallet.
          notsofast
      • Nothing racism there

        Again what is racist. It's true comment.

        It would be the same for me if I went to Mexico and bought a cheap region 4 DVD player. Then when I go to the store all those region 1 discs won't play. So what's the first thing I do? Go buy new DVD player or download the content I just bought. It's not racial thing it's a common sense thing.

        I've been on the blunt end of racism myself being part Native American and I don't consider that comment anything near racism. My own government is racist. When I get phone survey that assumes that because I'm part Native American that I must addicted to alcohol and my kids go hungry on regular basis. I told that phone survey person a thing or two. I know a thing or two about racism and that's not racist. Come walk into white bar with me sometime and I'll show you racism.
        voska1
      • I am a native Latina,

        and I did not take the blogger's comment about traveling to the US to buy a player, then finding that local movies would not play on it as racist. I agree with the writer fo the blog, that the problem is that Hollywood encourages piracy with its outdated region coding.

        Please, let's not be too sensitive and in too much of a hurry to play the "race" card. Although racism does exist and is hateful, in this case, I do not believe the blogger's intent was racist.
        legalista
        • I am a Mexican living in M?xico

          And I disagree with you, I as Argodes felt offended by his comment and as I will ask you as I ask Voska, Where in DonnieBoy?s comment is the allusion to region coding as being the problem?

          ?And, as it is common for Mexicans to cross the border and buy DVD players,
          When they return to Mexico, the only movies that work in them are the pirated ones. Not exactly the situation that the movie industry wanted . . ..?

          Have you ever been to M?xico? Do you know which zone codes can you find in M?xico? Why are assuming that if I buy a DVD player in the US you can use only ?pirated? copies on it.

          So is Donnie a racist or an ignorant? Or Both?

          Marco
          marcovj
  • Who cares ....

    Until the price of the Blu-ray recorders are about the same as a DVD burner, it will make ZERO difference.

    Also, the $30 price tag of the movie makes HD in Blu-ray a waste of money. Specially when many movies look HD enough with a simple (and cheaper) upconverter.
    wackoae
    • They'll figure that out soon enough

      My guess is that right now they don't want to cut prices because HD-DVDs prices have been cut to DVD price (and in a few cases, lower), and any price cut now would make it seem as if they are doing it to compete with HD-DVD. Right now all the salespeople in local retailers like Best Buy are promoting their product as the next great thing, so a price cut now would make it seem as if they are desperate, which they are not at this stage. Sooner or later though, once HD-DVDs can no longer be found and upconverted DVD becomes the next great foe, prices will come down.

      After all, it's all about maximizing profits in the long run. Slashing prices harms their image right now, so they won't do it now. But once it becomes prudent to cut prices and allow the masses in on the action they will, because of course it's better to sell something at 60% of today's price to ten times as many people as you are selling it to now (especially when you still have a high margin). They know that.
      Michael Kelly
    • right

      200 bucks for a blue ray dvd burner that wont let me backup blue ray dvd movies...


      youve got to be kidding me
      pcguy777
  • RE: Hooray! Blu-ray BD hacked!

    Seriously... DRM is pretty stupid. DVD's were cracked
    YEARS ago and DVD's are still making tons of money.
    Hollywood and the RIAA need to realize that consumers
    BUY good entertainment, they pirate crap. If they want to
    continue to make money the record labels and movie
    studios need to continue to make good content.

    The reality behind HD is that blu-ray burners and blank
    media is super expensive. Also, harddrives to contain the
    decoded HD footage is worse. Of course people could rip
    the HD content off a blu-ray disc and then re-encode it to
    a lesser quality, but then they might as well just buy the
    DVD for $9. It'd save them a ton of time and money.

    Years ago music and movie productions were looking for
    the "smoking gun" as to why their profits hadn't sky
    rocketed, but if you look at the bottom line, they had
    always done well, they were just putting out a lot of
    stinkers in between the quality releases. They were
    shooting themselves in the foot.
    ryandman
    • In much agreement, Hollywood is being ridiculous and...

      I found this

      http://www.askrealmen.com/index.asp?PG=article&ARTID=32&
      top100developers
    • right... from about 85 to 2004

      every other movie in the theaters was good. not anymore...

      their will be like 20 movies playing at any given time.

      im only interested in many one a month.

      im serious.

      they need to go back to the 80's and 90's
      pcguy777
      • re: correction - only interested in mabye "one" a month

        typo
        pcguy777
      • Movies have only gotten better

        Movies in the 80s and 90s get worse as you go back in time. I'm talking over all movies. There was always a few good ones but much less per year than you get today. Today they put out a ton of crap but you also get a lot more good movies too boot. Even the bad ones aren't that bad either. Maybe not worthing of my theater dollars but definitely worth renting.

        The biggest thing I've noticed with movies today and movies back a couple of decades are that they aren't as scared to put out a movie. Probably due the whole fact that they don't have to rely on theater dollars as you have DVD sales that actually make more than theaters do. So this means you gets some interesting movies that would never have been made in the past.

        So take this year where I have about 5 movies I'm looking forward to this year. Compare that to the 80s where you might be lucky to get one you are looking forward too. In the 90s you'd usually have at least 1 movie you were looking forward too.

        So I sure don't want to go back to the 80s type movies releases.

        Take 1983 as an example (top 10)

        $309,125,409 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
        $94,900,000 Flashdance (1983)
        $90,400,000 Trading Places (1983)
        $79,568,000 WarGames (1983)
        $67,642,693 Sudden Impact (1983)
        $64,800,000 Mr. Mom (1983)
        $63,800,000 Staying Alive (1983)
        $63,541,777 Risky Business (1983)
        $61,400,000 Vacation (1983)
        $57,403,139 Octopussy (1983)

        Look at the dollars difference. 1 good movie the rest were about average for the time and not all that great. Sure we've all seen them but really they pale in comparision to movies today.
        voska1
    • Re:They were shooting themselves in the foot.

      They are the masters of foot shooters. They really like to P*** their customers off.
      The best way out is probably to ban DRM as it is used exclusively to violate the copyrights section of 'fair use'.
      Copyright itself is something that was granted by governments and BOTH the producer AND the consumers right DO apply !
      So; one of theese days a government (or a group of them) will probably end up making DRM illegal due to the constant abuse of copyrights 'fair use'.
      hkommedal
    • About $1.30 to $1.50 is..

      what it costs on average to store an ordinary DVD on a HD
      at todays prices. This is based on the cost of 500GB drives.
      The cost to store data will only go down. At least 80
      standard DVDs will fit on such a disk.

      By the time Blu-ray HD gets as popular as regular DVD,
      (may never happen because of downloads) the cost to
      store the ripped content of a HD disk available by then will
      be the same or less.

      Modern transcoders preserve the quality and allow for less
      space taken by each movie. It just takes a lot of time to
      transcode one average DVD.

      The studios would make a lot of money if provided a
      decent H.264 version as well as the normal HD player
      version, all DRM free, for between $5 and $10. If they did
      this and sold players for less than $100, they would make
      so much money they couldn't carry it to the bank fast
      enough.

      Who would bother to spend hours ripping and transcoding
      for such prices? The best way to thwart "pirates" is to sell
      the real thing for a price most people are willing to pay.
      Sure there are always a few cheapskates who will download
      and rip, but for most people, their time is valuable.
      arminw