Microsoft stops paying us to use Bing

By | June 6, 2010, 11:14am PDT

In the age of massive storage, search is the killer app. Surprising that Microsoft - cancelling Bing’s cashback feature - can’t pay users to use Bing. What’s going on?

The Bing-a-lings say they are coming back with a better program, but how could they say they’d be back with a worse one? And who knows, maybe it will be. Better, that is.

The program
Bing has gotten some good reviews and I occasionally use it. The cashback feature attracted me because I like nice stuff and hate paying retail.

Depending on the product and the vendor, cashback ranged from 2% - 15%. The Bing results put lowest after-cashback prices first, so you didn’t need to apply the percentages to figure it out. But it didn’t include shipping costs, so you had to work hard to figure out final cost. Especially with sites that like to keep shipping charges a nasty surprise.

You had to apply for an account, which took more time than I thought it should. And the cashback money wouldn’t arrive for something like 90 days - long enough to ensure that you didn’t get the money and then return the product.

Some people reported problems - surprise! - getting their cashback. Disappointing. Some have gotten $100s back and are happy. Just not enough of ‘em.

The Storage Bits take
Cashback was flawed in ways that aren’t obvious to software engineers:

  • Clumsy sign up. Yes, worry about fraud. But make sign up as simple and fast.
  • Pathetic percents. 2% savings aren’t worth it. 5% is the minimum if you are asking customers to work.
  • Shipping charges. Some companies make money off shipping, so to understand the deal you had to wade through most of the purchase process. Time sink.
  • Limited vendor choice. Including many I’d never heard of.
  • Delayed gratification. It’s a rebate, which means waiting for months to get the joy. In America we like our gratification like our food: fast.
  • Bing shopping not as good as Google. That’s the bottom line. Cashback got me to try Bing - and I never even got any cashback - but after trying it I liked Google’s results better - not that I’m wild about theirs either.

Here’s what a successful Bing program will include:

  • Better results. Make it easy to comparison shop, including tax and shipping. Ultimately being better than Google is key. Hire some Amazon folks to help!
  • Instant money. Google did that when they were peddling something. Gmail? Shopping cart? Whatever. It worked better than cashback and it got rid of percents.
  • Vendor agnostic. Make it easy for vendors to sign up and process. Get massive participation.
  • Easy sign up. I signed up once for cashback. Don’t make me do it again.

One more Critical Success Factor: fire Ballmer. Really. You’re the world’s most profitable corporation with incredible engineering talent, a massive channel, a global brand and a putz for a CEO.

You want to put the hurt on Google? It’s gonna cost you, big time. But you can afford a major offensive for 18 months better than they can.

What you can’t afford is to tinker for the next 3 years with half-fast, kinda-sorta better programs and strategies like cashback. Which is all Mr. “iPhones will never sell” is going to let you have.

Microsoft can beat Google at shopping search. But you need a coherent strategy that includes a superior user experience - and not one designed in focus groups. It won’t be easy.

But that will make victory all the sweeter.

Comments welcome, of course. On a related note, the deficit hawks are succeeding in their plan to kill the recovery and send us into a Japanese-style “lost decade.” Comparison shopping will become America’s most popular computer game.

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Robin Harris has been messing with computers for over 30 years and selling and marketing data storage for over 20 in companies large and small.

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RE: Microsoft stops paying us to use Bing
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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Yada yada yada
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"In America we like our gratification like our food: fast."

Mostly because bills we pay get taken out of our accounts instantly, whereas refunds always tend to take longer. That interest rate isn't in our favor...
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RE: Microsoft stops paying us to use Bing
jack of daniels 6th Jun 2010
Bing's acronym Bing-Is-Not-Google (B-I-N-G) cashback program was so unsuccessful Microsoft could not even give money away!
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Not sure
Richard Flude 6th Jun 2010
"Comparison shopping will become America?s most popular computer game."

The only shopper left will be the US government. But imagine how much more productive you'll all be then;-)
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Interesting...
moolacow 7th Jun 2010
Clumsy sign up. Yes, worry about fraud. But make sign up as simple and fast.
>>> Agreed.

Pathetic percents. 2% savings aren?t worth it. 5% is the minimum if you are asking customers to work.
>>> This number is limited to what the vendors are willing to do.

Shipping charges. Some companies make money off shipping, so to understand the deal you had to wade through most of the purchase process. Time sink.
>>> Agreed. Some but not all vendors are willing to do free shipping.

Limited vendor choice. Including many I?d never heard of.
>>> That's not a bad thing. There are a lot of smaller online retailers with great prices and customer services.

Delayed gratification. It?s a rebate, which means waiting for months to get the joy. In America we like our gratification like our food: fast.
>>> Agreed, but cashback programs need to make sure they get paid before they can pay you. Think they have to wait for you to get the product then some amount of days 30, 60 to get paid before you can get paid.

Bing shopping not as good as Google. That?s the bottom line. Cashback got me to try Bing - and I never even got any cashback - but after trying it I liked Google?s results better - not that I?m wild about theirs either.
>>> Google product comparison is better then Bing!

Check out our site http://moolacow.com - We're striving make cashback a better experience.
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Google?
notsofast 7th Jun 2010
You're worried about shady sites, and you use Google's shopping engine? Google would have to pay me to use it. Bing's shopping is flawed, but so is googles. The best of the lot is pricegrabber, but even it's not perfect, since it doesn't cover all retailers.

As for the amount I get back, on a camera, I got about 50 bucks back. Also, I frequently get the money back instantly, not 6 weeks down the road, but even if it's 6 weeks later, it's still not bad.
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@notsofast Bing is a nightmare to get involved with, the points were already outlined in the article. I feel obligated to point out that if you know how to properly use Google, i.e. how to correctly input search strings so you don't get every website that put even a vague reference to your search terms on it, it works quite well. It's still not the best shopping resource because it does require you to be marginally tech savvy to properly input and narrow down your search strings but, it beats the hell out of Bing which was made for less tech savvy users, you know the ones that shady website prey upon. In this day and age I think the real problem is not the software but, the end user. People are happy when something works but they don't care how it works and they don't bother to learn how to use it to it's fullest.
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I don't care to use anything Microsoft if I can get away with it.

Doug Preston
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MS Cashback Rules !!! Especially when you need the cash-back like my family does....living on the edge if you know what I mean. Please MS make it even better if that is possible and come back !!!!
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Paying me to waste my time.
Tigertank 8th Jun 2010
I liked Bings other search options but shopping was terrible. I would search for a product and would get results that were anything but the product name I typed in. Google gave me dozens of examples to choose from and Bing gave me 1 or 2 and other unrelated results.

This is the primary thing MS needs to fix. everything else is extraneous.
I keep trying Bing and other search tools, but I'm just too spoiled by Google. Because with Google, I know I'm getting a full live search 90% of the time, what I'm looking for is right there on the page of results. Having the Universal sign in is just plain awesome. What MS Passport should have been in the first place. Email, shopping, searching, YouTube, Picasa, Cloud apps, file storage, social networking, etc makes life such a breeze! Sorry but I love Google and they've never disappointed me like Microsoft with lost files, mail, ridiculous search times, I'll use them on the desktop, but they should stay off the web completely!
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I Loved Bing Cashback
dyanne2@... 9th Jun 2010
I've never had a problem. I usually shopped at my favorite sites, added the item/items to the cart, then went to the Bing page and clicked the retailer through their link. I saved a LOT by doing this...so far I have about $150 in savings.

As far as the lesser known retailers, I liked that, too. I have often found things that I wanted from a store I didn't know, and checked Bing just for the heck of it and sure enough, I got another discount.

It also pays to know the best prices, or research them before ordering.

I for one, am going to miss Bing Cashback a LOT!
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