Seagate buys LaCie: good for us?
Summary: Seagate announced this morning that they are purchasing LaCie, the French consumer storage company, for $186 million. Should we worry?
It's the money For decades hard drive companies have moaned about their low margins while they've done all the heavy lifting to make storage cheaper. Seagate has spasmodically attempted to diversify into higher margin businesses - their $100+ million investment in Xiotech was particularly mystifying - but with little success.
The basic problem is that drive companies can't be seen to be in competition with their most valuable customers, the HPs, Dells and EMCs of the world. The high end storage products that companies buy typically carry gross margins in excess of 60%, while drives alone are in the 10-15% range.
And much of those drive margins have come from the high-end drives - 10 and 15k SAS and Fibre Channel enterprise drives - whose market is rapidly shifting to solid state drives. Not good.
Consumers to the rescue Lately the drive vendors have found a way: focus on consumer storage. The Seagate and Western Digital consumer/SOHO storage businesses have been growing fast with much fatter margins.
This is good for Seagate and WD. But what about us consumers?
The Storage Bits take Hard drives are a mature industry with only 3 manufacturers still in the game: Seagate, WD and - a distant 3rd - Toshiba. Forget about the cutthroat price competition that regularly delivered super-cheap raw drives to hobbyists.
Instead we'll see steadier price-per-bit declines at about 40% annually for the next several years. Less than fabulous, but I can live with that.
But there's a larger problem. In order to keep driving down the cost of rotating storage, the remaining vendors need to invest in expensive new tech (see Engineering the 10 TB notebook drive): HAMR (heat assisted magnetic recording) and patterned media.
Each of these will require billions in investment over the next decade to bring to production, assuming they succeed. And for that the drive vendors need to be making many more billions.
Thus the move into consumer storage is not only smart business for drive vendors, but it also promises to keep disks moving along the price/performance curve we've come to expect.
For all the benefits of flash SSDs, there is no way they can replace disks as a bulk storage medium. We need disks to keep improving, and drive vendors need profits to pay for that.
But even better, Seagate is putting LaCie's founder in charge of their consumer storage business. Here's hoping that LaCie's focus on design excellence and product quality carries over into the rest of Seagate's consumer storage.
Comments welcome, of course.
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Hoping...
I had similar issues with Seagate hence my WD preference
Statistical variation
I've had some 2 dozen drives in the last 5 years and no particular issues with either vendor, even though I've had drives fail. Normal wear and tear.
@R Harris
I hope you are joking. In the last few years, Seagate had an entire line of drives with a firmware error that would brick otherwise perfectly good drives. Of my 4 x 1+2tb drives in home servers, I've had to RMA about 7 or 8 times in the last 2-3 years. Thank goodness Seagate had a decent warranty in place (which they are now changing), and I had double-redundancy, or else I would have been fuming.... Seagate Barracudas used to last 5-8 years easily!
WD have had their corkers as well, so since the other manufacturers have been absorbed, we are left with poor choices. Shoddy workmanship, is just that.
Opportunity beyond disc?
I wonder if buying LaCie will allow Seagate to move into some other areas since LaCie has produced other products like optical drives and PC accessories. Or will they sell off or close these parts of the business?
Circle of life...
Hakuna matata
LaCie? Quality?
No issues with my 750gb LaCie...
I like LaCie drives because many have on/off switches, and those are the ones I'll buy to supplement my 750gb.
Lacie Quality
Consumer external drives like the Lacie and WD Passport were never intended for continuous duty cycles. They are designed to be used for backups and file transfers.
you nailed it
Ok, I'll Rise To The Troll
2) @sframberger The LaCie consumer drives (a.k.a. door stops) were used as portables, that means they were "off" whenever I wasn't using them. The 2bigs HAD FANS and were used as media servers so they stayed on. 4 failures in 2.5 years? "Enterprise" drives, as LaCie labelled the 2big, should be able to handle more than 8 months. Thank-you for telling me why but you do not know and should have made your point about on/off switches as your own comment, not a reply that doesn't apply.
3) Thank-you SteveRMann, I knew that and it doesn't change my point. In my experience their "drives," as in "LaCie Drives," had a 100% failure rate and less than 8 months MTBF and it was NEVER the HDD; always the LaCie parts. I understand your point but still see my point 1) above.
4) @photomstr: Ignorant? Really? You are the troll I was referring to in my post title. Your "point" was pointless. Attacks on other posters that you do not know and never met do not contribute to the conversation.
5) I now understand why others speak poorly of ZDNet commenters. *SteveRMann is excluded from my rant's 5th point.
It's Seagate
And it is all about the money.
Until customers choose to stop being played and toyed with.
Seagate has some work to do, but anyone can change their reputation.
This Sucks
Compare Apples to Apples
(1) After several WD failures, I always try to purchase drives that come with a 5 year rather than a 3 year or 1 year warranty
(2) From all that I have observed, for some time now 500GB are some of the most stable drives that you can purchased. Hence I have resisted the lure of higher capacity drives especially those with a 1 year warranty.
Hey - What about SSDs??????
SSD's can and do fail...
Standard hard drives "fail gracefully"...SSD's fail more abruptly.
fail
SSD's have no moving parts
I won't touch another Segate Drive
I've had extensive dealings with Seagate C/S
[i]I have had 7 Seagates fail in 5 machines to get RMA's with them is a night mare.
... I took back to retailer after nightmare dealing with Seagate's customer service ...[/i]
This over a large span of time, and I can tell you they have some of the best reps going, and some of the WORST. If it is your misfortune to deal with the clueless ones, who really amount to imbeciles, then I pity you. This sadly also includes Tier 2 support and supervisor types in the mix.
It really is a crap shoot, and something Seagate should be doing more to improve.