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Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail

By | October 13, 2010, 8:12am PDT

The news last month that Blu-Ray encryption was broken was no surprise. It was inevitable.

Consumer content encryption is a fool’s game, a war the movie industry can’t win. Why?

It is this simple:

  1. Sell the consumer the encrypted content
  2. Sell the consumer the de-encryption device, i.e. a content player
  3. With access to the input, the output and the decryption device, it is only a matter of time before the encryption algorithm is broken.

Bletchley Park all over again
This is analogous to the Allied breaking of the German military codes during WWII. When the Poles reverse-engineered the military Enigma, it was only a matter of time before a smart mathematician figured out how to recover the frequently changed encryption keys.

The British, at Bletchley Park, turned this process into a computer-assisted industrial system for large-scale key recovery and decryption, but the essential math had been known for many decades.

Yes, the Blu-ray algorithm has some interesting wrinkles, and it looked great 10 years ago. But Moore’s Law kept pushing compute performance up and gradually 256 isn’t such a big number.

The 2001 paper, Four Simple Cryptographic Attacks on HDCP by Keith Irwin, outlined how to break HDCP - the encryption between players and video sources carried by HDMI - so pirates didn’t even need to break Blu-ray encryption to get clear content.

But the new HDCP allows decryption of source files:

This is a forty times forty element matrix of fifty-six bit hexadecimal numbers.

To generate a source key, take a forty-bit number that (in binary) consists of twenty ones and twenty zeroes; this is the source KSV. Add together those twenty rows of the matrix that correspond to the ones in the KSV (with the lowest bit in the KSV corresponding to the first row), taking all elements modulo two to the power of fifty-six; this is the source private key.

A simple matter of computing.

And now both are broken. There is no getting this genie back in the bottle.

The Storage Bits take
I love movies. I have a collection of over 1300 DVDs - including a couple of dozen Blu-rays. I understand that hundreds of thousands of jobs and families rely on the sale of entertainment through theaters, optical media, downloads and TV networks.

But if the movie industry doesn’t want to go the way of the record companies, they have to adapt.

The movie industry’s challenge is to create compelling content priced so the audience has no interest in pirate copies. Yes, there will always be revenue lost to pirates.

The cure: give people a good product, reasonably priced and convenient. That, not encryption, is the long term solution.

Comments welcome, as always. The movie Enigma, a thriller set in Bletchley Park during WWII, included Rolling Stone Mick Jagger among the producers. Update: An informed reader asked about what NCR had done during WWII with Enigma. More than I knew. Here’s a link.

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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
Yiu Korochko 7th Apr 2011
FOR ALL CONCERNED:

I have Family Guy: It's a Trap! available in 1080p and the film with stereo audio is only 1.07GB. It's 58 minutes long.
Search the torrential web for it...will get seeding...
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This really stinks now. Blu-Ray won the HD war with HD DVD due to Sony selling the movie houses on their "superior encryption" which as expected now is a bunch of B.S. So we as consumers are now stuck with a much more expensive media format than what we should have had. HD DVD pricing for hardware and media, long before the fall of the format was already showing that in the long run it would have been much less expensive and yet provide 100% of the same content ability of Blu-Ray.

Winner: Nobody.
Looser: Everybody.

I hope Sony is proud. Idiots.
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Winner: Sony, Studio
FADS_z 13th Oct 2010
@Narg
So far BLUE Ray content is still hard to break. So-called HD movie pirated is more like DVD quality.
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@FADS_z And for a lot of people that is good enough.
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Not even close
rtk 13th Oct 2010
@FADS_z MKV HD 720p and 1080p downloads are far superior to DVD quality. not even close to comparable.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
DonRupertBitByte 13th Oct 2010
@FADS_z

There is a HUGE difference in visual quality for BLU-RAY over standard DVD on HDTV's. Especially dual layer blu-ray disks. No upscaler can match a dual-layer blu-ray disk.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
BlueCollarCritic 13th Oct 2010
@FADS_z

Hate to break it to you but there is plentiful and easy access to HD and True HD (720 & 1080 respectively) versions of BluRay content and you can sometimes get them before the official BluRay is released for sale.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
jlutgring 13th Oct 2010
@FADS_z I'm not quite sure what you mean when you say, "BLUE RAY content is still hard to break." I know of at least a dozen software applications that easily break it. I personally have a system with a monitor that is not HDCP compliant. I have to use AnyDVD HD to decrypt the content so I just watch the disk I just purchased for way too much money.
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No, it's not
tehpea 13th Oct 2010
@FADS_z Go on torrents and download x264 MKV files, and you'll see.
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Could be, though
DT2 14th Oct 2010
@tehpea - There are several levels of quality settings when encoding h.264. They probably used one of the lower ones to limit file sizes and bandwidth requirements
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
richard.e.morton@... 13th Oct 2010
@Narg
Hi,

The article is factually incorrect.

HDCP is the encryption used by DVI-D and HDMI. It isnt to do with BluRay, except that this is the prevalent DRM enabled standard for completing this task. HDMI (and therefore HDCP) is in every new TV and computer monitor.

BluRay specifies Advanced Access Content System (AACS) for the encryption of media on a bluray disc (and incidentally it was similarly specified on HD-DVD).

Very simply what happens when a disc is played (but this could simply be changed for HD content from your cable set-top box):

The bluray player starts to play the bluray disc the content is decrypted out of AACS, it is then passed to the HDMI controller. The HDMI checks to make sure all the devices connected through to the TV are trusted. The HDMI controller encrypts the content into HDCP and passes it to the TV, which decrypts the stream and shows in on the TV.

AACS as used in BluRay has for a long time been partially cracked; by using existing software debug methods "they" have grabbed the decryption key from a software blu-ray player while it is playing back a blu-ray disc. This allows the ripping/copying of content from all blu-ray media produced to that date.

Why only to that date; the AACS governing body or licensors have a mechanism that revokes hacked decryption keys.

The hack presented here for HDCP is that someone has reveled the HDCP master key.

In order to use the HDCP master key, you would need to generate a decrytion key. Then simply find the nearest chip fabrication lab and design a chip to decrypt the HDMI stream then build a complete HDMI video capture card for a PC, then use a blu-ray player to play the media into the capture card you've just built and dump the captured (decrypted) stream into a file.

You would have a bit perfect copy of what was displayed on your screen. In otherwords no interactive menus.

HDCP is an important technology, but this isnt the crack of the century for pirates... You still cant simply distribute a piece of software which will rip all blu-ray discs.

And there are many other reasons why HD piracy just isnt a factor at the moment, or for the foreseeable future.

1. An HD BluRay feature film is at least 15GB and mostly nearer 25GB without the special features. BluRay is already encoded with the most efficient codec available, H.264, so any reduction is size does mean a real reduction in quality. Bandwidth is still a finite commodity and unless you are willing to choke your broadband for a few days at a time, downloading a BluRay feature in its full and glorious HD quality just isnt worth it. It needs to be in the 1.5GB range to make it downloadable by the masses... Thats 20% of the size and that is a noticable reduction in quality... near DVD quality. In fact if you reencode a DVD feature film ripped to H.264 preserving the title in Handbrakes "High Profile", its in the 1.5GB range.

The feature films shared on the internet tend to be under a gigabyte. They are also encoded using a MPEG4 part 2 (XVID/DIVX) codec, this is nowhere near as good, in produced size or quality, as the H.264 codec that BluRay uses, so in effect these shared files could be smaller (and easier to share) or higher quality if they used H264 instead.

Mass DVD piracy (or at least the organised-crime type) is completed by manufacturing copies of the original disc and as long as organised crime can acquire pressing equipment, it will continued for revenue by them.

R
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@richard.e.morton@...

"by using existing software debug methods "they" have grabbed the decryption key from a software blu-ray player while it is playing back a blu-ray disc. This allows the ripping/copying of content from all blu-ray media produced to that date. "

Now - automate that process, and you have a general purpose hack, even with revokable keys. If it's something that's done in software, it can be automated. Don't fool yourself into thinking hackers aren't intelligent enough to automate the steps they take to get keys.

That being said, finding the master key makes that point moot. It's now possible to design something that emulates the whole decryption process.

The problem is, you have to store the decryption key SOMEWHERE, otherwise you can't decrypt it. It's just a matter of finding that key. There is no theoretical way (at least in software) to make it impossible to find.

"You would have a bit perfect copy of what was displayed on your screen. In otherwords no interactive menus."

I'm pretty certain that, now that they have all of the information they need, putting the menus in is trivial.

"An HD BluRay feature film is at least 15GB and mostly nearer 25GB without the special features"

Or about the size of World of Warcraft. Which people can and DO download from scratch without the disk. It's not out of reach by any stretch of the imagination, and the Internet is only getting faster.

DRM is insecure, period. Eventually everything has to be decrypted somewhere, and it's just a matter of finding out where. Doesn't matter if a revokable key system is being used, doesn't matter if you try very hard to hide the keys. They're band-aids on a system that is fundamentally broken.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
therustbelt 14th Oct 2010
@richard.e.morton@...

"An HD BluRay feature film is at least 15GB and mostly nearer 25GB without the special feature"

15GB - 25 GB? This is what a single modern game is. Sold digitally and then downloaded from Steam or D2D. Or pirated. People have no problems with downloads of this size and it will become easier and easier with further proliferation of broadband and storage getting cheaper and cheaper. HD swapping anybody? Not everything has to be done online.

What is more, not everybody needs movies at full BR quality so the size can be reduced further to about 5-10 GB. And special features? People do not have to have everything that is available on official releases, especially for free (exluding time and effort). In fact it can be safely said that pirated releases have much wider market penetration exactly because they are delivered in every thinkable combination of size and quality.

"The feature films shared on the internet tend to be under a gigabyte."

You should definitely come back to the present. It is not 2000 anymore.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
Yiu Korochko 14th Oct 2010
@richard.e.morton@... Haha, you really have no idea how media encoding is done, do you?
I personally have developed a command line which can shrink a 1H31M length feature film in 720p down to 1.2GB.
1080p content? the same film is only 3.5GB.
And it IS lossless.
Sure, it took me some 4 days to compress on my Intel i5 Quad Core @ 2.66GHz but still, is such a huge save in space not worth that?
And seriously? I've downloaded full BR copies online (27GB was the max) and it only took a week or two.
Where are you living and what kind of internet connection are you using?
I can see 1.5GB being a bit difficult for a dial-up user, but we've pretty much moved from that era, have we not?

The reason why BR disk videos take up 15-25 gigabytes is because they are set at huge, over-inflated bit-rates which aren't highly compressed, making it easier to make cheap BR devices which don't need huge processors.
Now, my laptop only has an Intel Centrino Dual Core @ 2GHz but I can play the perfectly compressed video's I've encoded with absolutely no problem. Even the 1080p content.
H264 is a type of video data, the compressors for it will vary in quality.
x264 is the very best encoder for H264 video. I suggest taking a look into it before making yourself look like a fool grin
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
richard.e.morton@... 14th Oct 2010
@Yui

Well thankyou for explaining the error of my ways. I understand that BluRays may well be using high bitrates. Fine so the files are bloated... but 800MB XVID files are not HD quality.

I would doubt that any transcoding is lossless without using a lossless encoder, and H264 is not lossless...

I would be interested to look at your command line for transcoding a BluRay feature to 3.5GB without any (or even minimal) loss of quality.

Yes I know that x264 project is regarded as the best h264 encoder available. And I am aware of the article by one of the primary developers critiquing WebM or more specifically VP8.

I am not doubting that there are some people willing to spend a few days waiting for a large file to come down, but it isnt going to be mainstream until bandwidths increase over at least the next couple of years.

Finally, the master key for HDCP is unrelated to the master key for AACS and the difficulty in using the master key for HDCP isnt being challenged... The article is still incorrect.

@Cobra1; I agree, DRM is inherently insecure. And I am sure AACS will be cracked wide open at some point, but it isn't today.

@therustbelt; Nice sarcastic comment... What connection were you on in the year 2000? 512kbps ADSL? Typical movies seem to be between 800MB and 1.4GB ... still in the year 2010. I couldnt say what the quality was like though... I dont download them.
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scubashnurpel 14th Oct 2010
@richard.e.morton@...
I am going to have to agree with the other commenters. You can easily find a feature length film in pristine 720p under 5 gigs (and by pristine i mean no artifacts, no blocking visible on a 50" 1080p TV). I you have any understanding of the H.264 codec and all of the container formats it can fit inside of (my favorite is MKV) you would know that there is very little to be gained from the format of a Bluray disk. On a secondary note the only real reason to pay for a performance is that it is the visceral experience of live theatre or the pleasure of seeing it on the big screen. Most pirates thrive on the fact that they can throw a big middle finger at the corporations who try to tell them how they get to use a product that they have purchased. Or that a company would presume to say that they are dominant in their relationship with the public. Corporations that truly serve their clients will never cease to have strong loyalty.
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Hallowed are the Ori 14th Oct 2010
@richard.e.morton@...

I am not doubting that there are some people willing to spend a few days waiting for a large file to come down, but it isnt going to be mainstream until bandwidths increase over at least the next couple of years.

What is this "a few days" you speak of?

The PC I use for downloading takes around 10 hours to download 40 to 50 gigs.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
zparagasjr 15th Oct 2010
@richard.e.morton@...
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
zparagasjr 15th Oct 2010
@richard.e.morton@...
Richard you are right.Blue ray developers are on a continual research for secured codecs. An earlier blog also noted that pirated blue ray disc are closer to HD which I think is well taken.Demand is beginning drive prices of blue ray disc down as shown by some BB discs available at Walmart for $10.00. The march of science goes on.
@richard.e.morton@...

Who in their right mind would spend weeks downloading a film? At the end of the process you're not sure of the quality; some muppets set passwords; some are missing key pars/rars.

At some point we have to decide what's worth paying for and that might be the crux... lower the price a bit. Don't get me wrong I do download a few films but I often buy the DVD as the upscaled quality is fine on my 52" Sammy. The odd 8Gb mkv at 1080p is superb but I would agree with you on massively reduced files.. They are often just not worth watching and often have stereo sound... pointless. Dropping some into mediainfo often shows them to be closer to VHS resolution.

And who can ignore the threat (however small) of being tracked down and asked to pay $500 dollars per download.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
blakjak.au 14th Oct 2010
@Narg It's funny how we always seem to get screwed over when we give up control to one or other proprietary, locked-up system. In the long run the consumer looses every time. MiniDiscs anyone? MemorySticks? maybe it's just a sony thing... Oh wait, there's also Microsoft, IE6 anyone?

The moral? Put all your eggs in one corporate basket, you're at the mercy of that corporate.
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@Narg
You actually believe that platforms are priced based on whether content is pirated or not...?
Gimme a break.
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I agree 100%
Peter Perry 15th Oct 2010
@Narg I was so pissed off at Sony when they bought that war as I already had a decent HD DVD Player and like 30 movies...

When forced to go Blu you could see a lot of the content was inferior compared to the HD format (largely because Sony and the group had inferior encoding until they worked that deal out) and clearly the cost just plain sucked!

Basically, I will never buy another Sony Product again after that BS.
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This is a lost battle from the start
Quebec-french 13th Oct 2010
There no company in the world that will stop pirate from breaking there game ever ......
how many million man hour pirate can produce in a month compare to the total man hour that company can put in a year .......
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Well if Hollywood would learn their lesson, that their competition (pirates) will always win on price, they need to make it convenient to acquire the content and do not restrict it. Currently the only one hurt by DRM problems are those buying the content and when they can not play it on their player because of DRM issues, they will find their answer on the internet (DRM free, and Pirated) no more problems for the consumer, but Hollywood will have lost one more paying customer.
As proof look @ all the DRM Free Music being purchased
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I agree
cyberscan 13th Oct 2010
@mrlinux
I subscribe to pay TV, and have rented content in the past. What I highly resent is the fact that I have to put up with a barrage of advertisements before I can even watch the content for which I paid. On pay TV, I have to constantly adjust the TV volume when commercials come on and deal with commercials that are not appropriate for family viewing. On channels such as TNT, I also have to put up with pop-up ads while trying to watch the programs. I also resent the fact that without some "piracy," I cannot watch paid content on the viewer of my choice (my Linux PC). In most cases, the "pirated" content is better than the paid content as far as quality is concerned. With "pirated" material, I would not have to put up with the inconveniences I stated above. I think piracy is good in a way, and the studios need to accept the fact that "the customer is always right." If if can be seen and heard, it can be copied. End of story.
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Blu Rays, hmmm, I bought 4
Boot_Agnostic 13th Oct 2010
I either own DVDs or rent them from a online service . . . so Blu Ray didn't win me. The HD tv won me, over standard def. All other things are small increments of improvement.
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Having encryption broken is only part of the battle. With the DMCA, the encryption scheme still gives these companies a very easy, no challenge way of legally taking down offenders, particularly manufacturers of unlicensed equipment. It doesn't matter whether or not the encryption has been broken (which would allow unlicensed equipment to be made from a technical standpoint).
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@zackers And the DMCA is enforced in Russia / China / Nigeria / Kenia ? Please ..... yes it makes them open to prosecution in the USA but almost no where in the rest of the world where the stuff is pirated.
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Haven't you heard of WIPO?
zackers 15th Oct 2010
@vhawk The US has DMCA, the EU has the Copyright Directive, and there are other laws around the world. All are meant to implement the WIPO Copyright Treaty, which protects technological data protection measures such as HDCP. The details and penalties vary from region to region, but many of the most lucrative markets are covered. The markets you mention such as China currently skirt WIPO, but they are under increasing pressure to conform.

Then there's ACTA, which is attempting to establish an independent global agency to standardize and protect copyrights. I don't know how effective such an agency will be, but the trend is clearly headed towards more control and conformity.
to DVD sales. Same issue here. Most people pay. I want to rip for two reasons. To keep my original safe from little kid fingers, and to edit content to get rid of the scenes/language I find more disagreeable.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
erik.soderquist 13th Oct 2010
@frgough

the little kid fingers is my reason for ripping too!!
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@frgough

Why do you think I have a Hard Drive connected to our Wii, one in our fat PS2, a bigger one in my Xbox, and a (soon) 26TB RAID6 array?

Little children fingers. I've lost many o' disc because they were scratched, gouged, broken, or chewed by them. Now I can do an "On Demand" like thing on our home network and hide the originals in the basement.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
blittrell 13th Oct 2010
What really makes me mad is that I bought SpiderMan 2, a Sony movie, yet it would not play on my Sony DVD/VCR player. Other movies were in the same boat and the DVD player was only a year old. I didn't know if I bought a movie wether it would play on my DVD player or not. Guess what though, making a backup copy did play. So does that mean I am crook because I bought a movie from a company that does not work in the same companies machine and the only way to get it to work is to strip the DRM stuff? Doesn't seem right to me. What about buying movies and making them easier to watch? Such as converting them to MP4 so you can watch them on you XBox or PS3 anytime with out digging through your DVD collection.
I would venture to guess that 99.9% of people that copy movies, copy them for these reasons and not to sell them to budies or publish on the Internet.
So I say spend your money on lawyers to track down the people illegally sharing and selling the movies instead of continually crippling your movies through DRM and just making people pissed off in general.
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@blittrell This is how Hollywood loses customers by frustrating the ones who buy their content and can not even play it.
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They lose customers..
PlayFair 13th Oct 2010
@mrlinux

But they gain people who still feel an entitlement to watch the junk they produce, but do it free.

You may find it logical to download the movies without compensation and blame it on any sort of gripe, but what is reasonable for both side?

And be honest.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
tkejlboom 14th Oct 2010
@PlayFair

Silly reply limit...

I don't copy or pirate DVDs or Blu-ray. I don't pay $13 to see them in theaters. It's too expensive. Most of it just isn't very good to begin with. I simply abstain. The industry is gambling that if they make sufficient deterrence to theft, they'll regain consumers. Their logic is flawed. I do not think the pirates are at all justified, but the industry is NOT engaged in a productive solution.
@tkejlboom i have used netflix for over a year now and for the price i get about 20 to 24 discs a month for about $14 a month. they have almost everything on Blue Ray that's available although regular DVD is what i get.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
Bookmark71 13th Oct 2010
I own one blu-ray movie. It's simply a matter of cost for me. $24.99+ is too much to own a movie. I rarely watch the same movie more than once a year anyway. The cost is coming down on older titles, I've seen wal-mart going to $10 but most of those I bought on DVD already so it's new releases that interest me. With streaming content on the rise I think disc sales of any format will decline.
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@Bookmark71
Exactly.

I find that DVDs are already priced a bit too high, but BluRay is simply effing expensive. Most new movies are US$ 40-45, and even old movies are no less than US$ 30. That is just way too much for movies I would watch only once or twice, and that come to cable sooner or later anyway (where they get repeated about 20 times within 2-3 weeks). Movies I have often seen in the cinema for about US$ 7 a pop.

Admittedly there is always going to be pirated content. But if the price is lower, and if they can be sure to be able to watch it, many more consumers will buy it. Less money spent on copy protection + more sales + less money spent on lawsuits against pirates + less money spent on chasing pirates. Huh.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
rod pieper 13th Oct 2010
It will only get worse now that the legal movies are getting ingrained with 'commercial content' that has to be viewed.
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Old news really
LarsDennert 13th Oct 2010
There was a utility out to duplicate BD about a week after it was released.
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SEND THE ANTI-FEATURES TO THE GRAVE
Asher Bond 13th Oct 2010
can't lock me in forever. the cat keeps getting outta the bag. 3
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The Movie Studios are not going to do whats smart but whats protectionists even if it hurst the consumer. The studios have enough financial backing to get in place such strict laws that even legitimate acts will open to penalties including jail time. Just check out what the Eurpoean Union has passed recently with regards to copyright protection. I also heard just yesterday that a recent rulling by a Judge on used vidoe games is going to effectively end the sale of used games. Another idiotic move by an industry willing to pay anything to tightly control their content and at any cost to the consumer.

Its a sad day for liberty and freedom.
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
jmp_omaha@... 13th Oct 2010
It is basic economic and consumer principles: create an artificially high price for a monopoly product and you will have outlaws selling stolen content on the black market. Have lower prices and competition and you will not have a need for the black market. So movie studios can sell their product for a fair prices with a decent return on investment or lose investment dollars and drive up the costs they already have for encryption and policing practices to make less profit because their costs are higher and the black market siphons off more and more of their revenue.
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That's a great idea!
PlayFair Updated - 13th Oct 2010
@jmp_omaha@...

Thanks to emusic offering as many as 75 songs a month for $31, which equates to 42 cents per song, people have all but stopped downloading music off of torrents and P2P networks.

Wait... no.
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Thanks to emusic offering as many as 75 songs a month for $31, which equates to 42 cents per song, people have all but stopped downloading music off of torrents and P2P networks.

We're not talking about low-fi mp3s. We're talking about 25GB BluRay files. You've missed the point.
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@ahh so

What point of his did I miss?
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
tkejlboom 14th Oct 2010
@PlayFair

The only music I've downloaded is legal DRM free content from Amazon music, so yes, I can personally attest that there is a market of consumers that will happily pay for content without your BS. It happened.

eMusic has lots of problems. The no DRM thing is new since I was last there. The prices are new as well. Oh, and clearly they suffer a lack of marketing. I think the last time I was there the average track was $1.19. So, yeah, give it a few years for people to find out it even exists and try your analysis again.
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What point of his did I miss?

@PlayFair where did it say anything in the article about mp3 downloads?

You've still completely missed the point.

Nuff said.
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@PlayFair
The bottom line is -who cares?-
People who download hordes of mp3's from torrent sites were never going to buy them anyway. So who lost anything? No one....

It is a bunch of nonsense to suggest that piracy 'cripples' the industry. Proof you say?

Game industry - crippled?
Music industry - crippled?
Movie industry - crippled?

All have grown year on year for decades. If there has been a stall in uptake it is not piracy, it is that some people get bored of the usual rubbish they pump out
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RE: Why Blu-ray encryption had to fail
Yiu Korochko 7th Apr 2011
FOR ALL CONCERNED:

I have Family Guy: It's a Trap! available in 1080p and the film with stereo audio is only 1.07GB. It's 58 minutes long.
Search the torrential web for it...will get seeding...

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