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Bleak Outlook for Climate Change with Record CO2 output in 2010

By | May 30, 2011, 5:32am PDT

Summary: After a dip in greenhouse gas emissions in 2009 emissions growth has rebounded dramatically to reach record levels in 2010.

The world wakes up to bad news on climate change this morning with the International Energy Agency reporting CO2 emissions grew to an historic high of 30.6 gigatonnes, a 5% increase over 2008 levels after a dip in 2009. The growth in output is attributed to fast expanding developing economies who have weathered the recession largely unscathed.

This is particularly bad news when you consider the current global policy aspirations for climate change. After disappointment at the Copenhagen talks in 2009 global leaders at the UN led talks in 2010 did at least manage to agree that temperature increases should be limited to no more than 2°C to avoid the worst risks of climate change. Needless to say, negotiators have yet to agree on a global greenhouse gas reductions deal to achieve this but now it seems time is running out fast.

Sir Nichoals Stern author of the most influential econometric study of climate change to date quoted in the Guardian today said:

These figures indicate that emissions are now close to being back on a ‘business as usual’ path. According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s projections, such a path … would mean around a 50% chance of a rise in global average temperature of more than 4C by 2100. Such warming would disrupt the lives and livelihoods of hundreds of millions of people across the planet, leading to widespread mass migration and conflict. That is a risk any sane person would seek to drastically reduce.

There are some tough statistics to swallow in the report including:

  • If the world is to avoid breaching the 2ºC target emissions should not reach 32 gigatonnes before 2020. In other words, we can only afford to grow total global emissions over the next 9 years by the same amount we grew them in just one year between 2009 and 2010. 
  • There is little wiggle room here with 80% of projected emissions from the power sector already locked in from existing capacity or new capacity already under construction. These plants probably don’t start to decommission until mid century if allowed to complete their normal life cycle. (click on the illustration below from the International Energy Agency)
  • With much of the spurt in emissions growth coming from the developing world we find plenty of room for economic growth to drive future emissions even harder. On a per capita basis OECD countries emitted an average of 10 tonnes compared with China at 5.8 and India at 1.5. 
  • The nuclear disaster at Fukishima puts paid to new nuclear development anytime soon and likely early decommissioning of existing capacity especially in Europe.

With continued political failure on this issue and inability of the industrial sector to police itself expect a re energising of the civil society/NGO sector. It should also mean a rapid maturation of demand for carbon and energy management software with businesses scrambling to get a grip of this issue if only to head off the effects of more draconian regulation. For hardware manufacturers it means doubling down on use phase data centre, device and PC energy efficiency.

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Unfortunately, reducing energy usage is one of those things that everybody says we need to do, but nobody wants to take the steps themselves.

The same person who says 'we should set our air conditioners to a higher temperature to reduce energy use' may not be willing to do that at home themselves. Same with the people who say, 'We need to car pool more, but I can't, because I need to go to the cleaners (or some other minor errand) at lunch'

I commented at work the other day about the wind farms I flew over in Nebraska and Kansas, and how impressive the deployment of wind power was in some areas of the US. She said , "I wouldn't want them where I have to look at them." She was actually more baffled about how I could have known what states I was flying over than anything related to wind energy.

CEO's and other corporate decision-makers seem to think along the same lines. Everyone else should do something.

Sadly, I don't think the motivation will be there until it is too late, and the snowball effect has gained too much momentum. It may have already...
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@Hugh Jass individual behaviour change at this scale is difficult with out the right level of indivdual incentives and rewards. Industry has to consider this for longer range strategic planning especially for long lifetime assets where the company will be forced to take a view of the future energy and carbon price scenario when calculating future cash flows to make an investment decision today. Policy makers too need to consider a range of concerns in putting together a plan for energy security into the future especially the consideration of a peak oil scenario let alone climate change. Consumers will gradually take their cue but in the first instance there is a lot at stake here for industrial and policy planners.
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Yep, nothing wrong with those advocating reductions
Richard Flude Updated - 30th May
having several homes and flying around the world. We should never expect them to set the example when they can simply demand from others;-)

"Industry" is clearly to blame, sadly for us "industry" employs people and provides goods and services that underpin our standard of living.

Magical "renewable" energy alternatives that don't exist, peak oil scenarios that have been talked up since the 70s, CO2 reduction schemes that have been expensive and (as shown above) completely ineffectual. All ignored by the "science is settled" green cult members, living in their multiple houses or funded by the work of others.

The IEA figures are no surprise (obvious to all but those blinded by faith). Cheap energy supports living standards. Improvements in living standards for the worlds poor requires energy, heaps of it. The best source of energy (cheap, reliable, scalable, etc) at this time is fossil fuel.

Believers demand sacrifices, as long as it doesn't involve them, whilst the worlds poor celebrate their continued quality of life improvements. Many of us recognise their gains, understand the science and accept the economic reality and are happy for them (and grateful for our own privileged position).
But wait, all the experts said if gas hit $4.00/Gallon, this would stop ... people would walk, bike, ride mass transit ?

They could not predict their way out of a wet paper sack.

The only thing global warming has done is create a rush for a PRODUCT that will be the MAGIC PILL and waste billions in tax dollars.

FOLLOW THE MONEY.
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@BrentRBrian you're right demand has been pretty elastic. Most people are going to pay what ever it takes because mobility or lack thereof really isn't optional.

I agree -- follow the money and I think you'll find as energy prices climb upwards businesses and consumers will be looking carefully at energy efficiency for cost savings.
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Are we still going on about Global Warming... oh; I mean climate change... while I am against throwing the baby out with the bathwater by ignoring alternative energy sources, which we obviously need for reasons other than AGW, this is just getting tired. It has been 'fun' watching all the good science contrary to AGW alarmist propaganda get totally ignored, but I guess I am not surprised... there is money to be made.
What the article means is its a bad year for GW because C02 emissions have gone up and no measurable change will occur, so the GW wolf criers will look bad again. Instead of trying geologists for failing to predict earthquakes (as they are in Italy), we should be trying climate "scientists" for bad climate models that leftist politicians use to ruin economies.
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@rshol unfortunately the system doesn't work like that. Climate change will build slowly and maybe impossible to reverse once they become patently obvious. What is measurable is CO2 concentration in the atmosphere -- its rising fast. Climate science is uncertain. What risks do we want to take with our gandchildren's future.?
@jamesfarrar.1@...
So your model is 'when we don't know for sure, apply countermeasures for an unproven theory just in case'... which could work out potentially worse for the whole world's grandchildren to come. There are plenty of climate-related problems for which we have proven beyond doubt the causes for and have applied countermeasures accordingly and that is wonderful... just that AGW aint one of them.
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@rikasa can't see how diversifying energy supply and improving efficiency could even 'potentially work out worse'
@rikasa and rshol - Look at it this way. If we're wrong and nothing happens, economies will recover, energy will be independent, the middle east will quiet, growth will continue, and cancer + mercury poisoning rates will diminish.

If you're wrong, humanity will not survive.

I'll take my chances with the former tyvm.
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Restrictions on financing fossil energy expansion in Africa and high food prices as stables are redirected into tax support "green" fuel alternatives is killing thousands of children every year.

As for how it can work out worst, you must recognise the opportunity cost of all that money. The sums, therefore the costs, are huge.
@Richard Flude
I assume you are referring to e85 ethanol in the midwest. With that in mind, you are correct. The ethanol projects are a disaster and have done nothing but harm to everyone. However, there are plants that do produce enough sugar to be a solution to biofuels.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080730155344.htm

I hope you are not referring to liquid natural gas, which is the same exact thing as coal and poisons the water at a higher rate than coal does.

I sure hope that is all you referring to. I hope so.

Restricting fossil fuel expansion in Africa???!!! So much for the lessons from Shell in Nigeria. I urge you to do some research before you spout idiotic ideology. Plus, this seems to be working better than fossil fuel expansion in Africa... http://eandco.net/
@jamesfarrar.1@...
Regarding 'working out for the worse' does not refer to efficient energy diversification, but rather the implications of getting there in particular for developing nations.
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I'd encourage you to go to Africa before publishing links to ineffective NGO projects (or at least install them at home first). Africa is a continent crushed by the best wishes and devastating outcomes of these projects. And yes I have been (N, E & S).

Fossil fuel energy I was referring to was local generation, not mines for export. Generation that will enhance the lives of their citizens by providing them with cheap reliable energy for their homes and to develop industries.

This is now very difficult in Africa thanks to the UN and World Bank negativity to such projects scaring away investors (ironic given their CO2 footprints).

The truth is green projects are killing people today. Without proposing an alternative (not technologies yet to be invented) you shoulder some of the responsibilities.
@Richard Flude
Wow. Just wow. From all accounts of people that I know that are doing real humanitarian work in Africa, one dear friend of mine runs OperationOF, there are a number of reasons for economic disparity in Africa. First of all, the lack of capital in order to fund a central grid. Additionally, those grids that are set up are being vandalized and their capacity stolen typically by their own governments.

While I tend to agree that NGOs do have some efficiency issues, they are better than many alternatives.

Finally, energy expansion can happen in such a way that is clean and affordable.
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=178317

You are trying to garner an emotional response by bringing up child death in Africa based on energy disparity. Other industries have done way worse things on the continent than advocating clean energy growth, diamonds for example. So please, spare me from the coal would help the children rhetoric when the rhetoric should be that energy equality. We all should be using clean energy at this point.

Additionally, eandco is growing rapidly, ineffectiveness is a temporary situation.
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@rikasa

Leaving aside the environment question for a while and focuing on the economic risks - so your position is sticking to the current energy model dependent on imported fossil fuels is less risky than trying to shift and diversity the energy base over time. Any shift in diversifiation is too risky? What about risks of sticking to the current model? Doesn't make any sense.
@rshol Global Warming was a term created to introduce unfounded fear and legalize the scam called Carbon Credits.

Check who owns the top companies that "trade" carbon credits around the world. Then go out and check how many new "green" technology has being created using carbon credits. Would you be surprised to find out that the number is ZERO/ NADA / NOTHING?

In fact, carbon credit is the top reason pollution has gone up. Because some countries were duped into giving "credit" for carbon credits, it meant that for every CC purchased, the company could increase emission beyond the legal levels without any consequences.
@wackoae
Cap and trade lowers emissions. I'm sorry but it does.

http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=1085
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Largest in the world, in for years, failed, scandal and corruption plagued. When even the left acknowledges it's failures it makes your position almost indefensible.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/apr/28/overhaul-europe-carbon-trading-scheme
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"From all accounts of people that I know that are doing real humanitarian work in Africa..."

I was at a NGO meeting in Mali in 2010 and it was a tragic. All believed they were doing great work;-)

Best example was 3 bin recycling program introduced to the National Parks in Namibia. I commented that the three bins would be emptied into the same dump, this was of course meet by remarks not dissimilar to hoaxoners. As the conversation was ending a garbage truck turned up to dump the three bin into the same skip. The locals were real winners, the NGOs have made reduced their efficiency to 33%. Good job;-)

"You are trying to garner an emotional response by bringing up child death in Africa based on energy disparity."

I was responding to the "think of our grandchildren" emotional plea with the fact children are dying today.

"We all should be using clean energy at this point."

What clean energy? It doesn't exist in the quantities demanded, not in Africa, not ANYWHERE!

Your link proves the fantasy of your position, solar panels produce electricity (when the sun shines) @ more than double the cost of coal, and with a fraction of the reliability. This is your solution for Africa?
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Robert Hahn Updated - 31st May
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@Robert Hahn Not that I'm aware of. wink You maybe in a minority in equating climate science with religion. There is wide global agreement now on the science of climate change. Yes there are uncertainties with the models. But what risks do we want to take by doing nothing? Besides shifting our enery base to one that is more renewable at the very least helps reduce cost by increasing supply, improves market performance through conservation & efficiency and improves security by diversifying the mix. What could be wrong with that?
@jamesfarrar.1@...
"What could be wrong with that?" What is wrong with any con job? Your ilk are trying to force society to make drastic and expensive changes to our lives, changes that will lower our standard of living, and prevent people in developing countries from emerging from poverty, for no valid reason, that is what is wrong with this nonsense. There has been no statistically significant global warming since 1995 (even Phil Jones of the now famous East Anglia CRU admits that) Did any climate models predict that? No. In other words the global climate models on which this whole stack of nonsense is based couldn't make an accurate prediction from T = 0, with their hand right in front of their face so to speak. And you expect us to take seriously climate models that forecast 100 years into the future and how much CO2 emissions will or wont effect the temperature. Do you and your fellow rent seeking parasites really think the population are that stupid? Reality check, we aren't that stupid and as you can tell from several of the comments here, we are getting very sick and tired of being preached your transparent self serving nonsense.
I see you have spent 15 years of your life to this BS, I am sorry to read that, that is very sad, a good chunk of your life wasted. Which is why it must be so hard for so many of you climate changers to accept reality. Your lives, careers, salaries, grants and sense of self worth are all wrapped up in a fairy tale.
The good news is that polls show the population after so many false predictions over so many years, are over this nonsense, and the political process while slow, is catching up with this, as the link below highlights (goodbye Kyoto!!)
it is well past time to start thinking about get yourself a real job.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/29/its-all-over-kyoto-protocol-loses-four-big-nations/
@jamesfarrar.1@...
How about we start off with the infamous Hockey Stick which conveniently hid the Medieval warming period... which was followed by the maunder minimum (commerce conducted on the Thames river)... which means we are coming out of a mini ice age, the symptoms of which often comprise warming (although there has not been any statistically significant global warming for the last 15 years). There are far more important environmental issues to protect our grandkids from than carbon credit scams. Hang on - aint this a tech site?
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@jwbremner I won't debate the science with you. You are absolutely free to make your own mind up about all of this. You say 'my ilk are trying to force society to make drastic and expensive changes' and that I am a 'rent seeking parasite'. FACT: as of today Brent crude is up 67% against the 52 week low about a year ago. Are you really sure I'm the one 'wrapped up in a fairytale'?
So what if I am in a minority in equating what you call "climate science" and what I call "bogus alarmism for the purpose of increasing the power of states over individuals" with religion. At one time, Galileo was a minority of one in saying that the Earth was not the center of the Universe. The "scientific consensus'" which you seem to think has some significance as if science were politics and votes determined truth, was that Galileo was wrong.

What you call "climate science" has all the trappings of a religion. It has a belief system that requires a leap of faith (anyone who thinks that our puny computer models of the Earth's climate are any sort of "science" has already made that leap in the absence of any evidence that those models are worth anything). It has "sins" against what it calls "morality" (see the articles about the Timberland CEO). It has prophets, like Al Gore. It claims to predict the arrival of a judgement day with catastrophic consequences unless the sinners stop sinning. It even sells indulgences for money, so sinners can still sin so long as they pay.

You apparently do not recognize risk in the misguided misallocation of vast amounts of resources, such as a hurried conversion to unproven and possibly unneeded "alternative" forms of energy. Since resources are not infinite, advocating massive misallocation and waste amounts to advocating --literally -- starvation for those already on the margin. You will deny this, but you are wrong.

That said, I agree that you are perfectly free to waste and/or misallocate your own resources in accordance with your beliefs. It is when these beliefs are coupled with demands that other people's resources be commandeered, such as by government action, and directed according to the belief system of a band of well -intentioned loud crusaders, that we enter the realm of leftist politics. I submit that that has no place on a tech site.
CO2 Climate change has done to journalism, science, progressivism and human evolvement, what nasty priests and suicide bombers and witch burners did for established religion.
CO2 Climate Change is being viewed now in history as lazy copy and paste ?mainscream? journalism at it's worst because even the scientists don't believe in CO2 climate doom anymore, judging by their stunned silence after Obama never even mentioned the crisis in his state of the union speech and more stunned silence from the scientists when all American IPCC research funding was pulled. Now, only the "journalists" act like its an emergency? If any of you readers still believe in climate doom, at least act like it is the emergency they said it was it was going to be, and get a sign that says YOUR CHILDREN ARE DOOMED, REPENT, THE END IS NEAR and start marching with all the other freaks that history laughs at. You CO2 climate neocons of fear mongering threatened my kids with boogyman slurs as ?catastrophic?, a ?ciris?, ?unstoppable warming? but never once did any climate blamer ever call it the ?end of the world?. It was a comet hit of climactic proportions and as a fear, was not sustainable. But we can count on lazy media to milk the CO2 blunder for another 25 years of scaring the kids but even the kids are laughing at climate blame now. Meanwhile, the UN had allowed carbon trading to trump 3rd world fresh water relief, starvation rescue and 3rd world education for just over 25 years of climate control instead of the obviously needed population control. REAL planet lovers and REAL progressives and REAL civilized and loving people were happy and relieved the science was a mistake, a criminal exaggeration and one of mankind?s darkest eras.
Climate change truly was modern day omen worship. ?Ug Ug. Cave man see warm. Cave man put out fire, sacrifice and make angry weather gods happy?.
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@mememine69 wow, not quite sure where to start. Enivonmental journalists equate to suicide bombers? Really?

Fact is CO2 concentrations are rising. Fact is temperatures are rising. Fact is brent crude rose 67% last year. Now, even if you feel the first two facts are inconsequential surely even you can agree that energy efficiency and diversification is a good idea?
@jamesfarrar.1@...

if that is the correlation. Lets say the earth heats up and CO2 levels go up and the water rises. So what? Adapt or die. Sounds like certain white rich liberals do not want those ethnic people relocating in their country. People have been migrating since the beginning of time.

2060, oil will be tapped out and so expensive that it will be used as a raw material in product. I believe it will be too expensive to burn by 2025 and alternatives will be cheaper.

I would rather breath in extra CO2 than Iodine 131 or Cobalt 60 from the nearest nuclear plant that screws up due to bad engineering or the planet decides to rock & roll.

Wind turbines are a good answer but they have to be made hurricane and tornado proof since that is where they will have to be located for the wind resources. Might as well make them now that we have the oil than by hand after 2060.

My concern is not global warming but running out of energy before we erect wind turbines. Solar panel are so expensive that it will not pay to install them until the oil is very expensive.

We run out of:
Oil = 2060
Uranium = 2100
Coal = 2400
NGas = 2100

What to do after the year 2400 since all finites have been depleted. I suspect a NBC suit.
@mememine69
Unbelievable. So climate change enthusiasts have had crusades, bombings, witch trials, raped children, and did any number of terrible things? So instead of considering the risks of data driven models and potential risks associated with industrial society, you lambaste them as if they are mythology written anywhere from 6000 BC to 600 AD? That is quite the life to live.

Oh and you're wrong about your point that scientists do not believe in global warming, when in fact the resounding number of them do.
@hoaxoner
Skeptics don't deny warming - they are skeptical of the suposed cause the alarmists have embraced as settled science, while ignoring a lot of evidence and research to the contrary. This sets a frightening precedent.
@rikasa
The overwhelming majority of scientists have confirmed much of the research that has been conducted. I understand the blowback from alarmism. I do understand that. But the blowback cannot go too far.

The real reason you don't "believe" in climate change is that you haven't lived with any of the consequences. There are people being displaced all over the world. A number of Malaysians are being moved to Australia as we speak. People who used to get clean water a half of a mile from where they lived now have to walk over 4 miles to get it. If we wait too long, there will be huge repercussions. That is of course, unless we have already gone too far.

On a note outside of the global warming debate. Fixing the energy situation in the United States would do wonders for our growth. I do not mean growing the average, which would happen by expanding the wealth of the wealthy, I mean growing the median, which is a better metric for growth. Energy costs are handcuffing the little guy's growth potential.
@rikasa

what "good" science is getting ignored?
@PAD1OH That would be Said, Wegman et al 2008....Oops, guess they have a problem with plagiarism (among others), it's been retracted.
@delerious
So with one research paper retracted, all skeptical science is to be ignored... fortunately proponents of AGW have to date been as pure as the driven snow... not one exaggerated or non-peer reviewed claim to date... yeah right. Both sides of the debate have attracted less than trustworthy proponents and research therein... that alone doesn't kill the debate.
@PAD1OH
Start reading this guy's blog:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/

You can bounce off this and find many other interest resources from people who do know what they are talking about. Another person's research you could check out is Dr. Richard Lindzen of MIT. Please ignore the ad hominem attacks which will now arise against me and most likely the first two scientists I have mentioned here before forming your own opinion of their research.
@rikasa
Both of those gentlemen have been refuted by research. The iris effect of the earth, attributed to Dr. Lindzen, would actually warm the earth more rapidly than Dr. Lindzen formulated. Data from the CERES satellite has refuted that argument.

Roy Spencer is more interested in the tornado link than anything else. Perhaps he will be less apt to spout this year......
@hoaxoner
Um... Dr. Roy is covering Tornadoes now of late as their frequency has been incorrectly cited as AGW evidence (as has typhoons in Japan). If you read on you'll see he covers a huge range of AGW-related topics. If anything I believe his pet topic may be the Pacific Decadal Oscillation... BTW: I'm far less insulted by contrarian ... and I hold people protecting our planet in high regard.
@rikasa
I left Roy alone for the most part due to the ease of which he has been proven wrong. He consistently alters the data to fit his arguments, and perhaps the most telling, the satellite data does not actually follow what he claims.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/roy-spencers-latest-silver-bullet.html
James - thank you for your work. Don't worry, the vocal are usually the minority, just the loudest.
@hoaxoner
Good - then could you explain to the vocal minority why even some of the staunchest stalwarts of the 'theory' concede there has been no statistically significant global warming for the last 15 years:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm

There are many other major holes in the 'theory', but I'll leave the balanced approach to researching my stance up to you.

And before I am likened to a holocaust denier which is unfortunately where I have seen these discussions go in the past, I'm 100% for scientifically-backed initiatives to protect our precious environment.
@rikasa
You are not a holocaust denier, just a contrarian who looks for any sliver of debate to make sure that you are proven right. The average over the last 15 is not the one you should look at due to volcanic activity and local minima and maxima inherent in any statistical data set. I have read the skeptics. I always read the skeptics as I am a contrarian myself, generally. I cannot find answers that satisfy me.
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Or, more specifically, AGW and you get caught up, even well intentioned, with the open rampant corruption and scam that is the political side of AGW. It IS all about control and spreading the wealth. Personally, I believe AGW is at best a very minor contributer to what is ALWAYS a changing climate. Any model that predicts nothing but is used to explain everything, from record cold to record hit, to more/less rain to more/less wind means that the model is simply useless. I particularly like how it requires non linear refractivity of air as CO2 increases (i.e. 50pm block 10% of infra-red while 55pm blocks 50% more while 60ppm blocks 200% more) to MAKE the data fit the model. Never mind that there is no basis in scientific fact for this magic property.

Frame the discussion into something real, measurable and has tangible benefits. REDUCE POLLUTION AND SAVE MONEY.

I already do. My home is 2400 square feet and my electric bills average $100/month (hot water, heat, AC, it is all electric). Let's talk about saving Nigeria (where 50% of the land it literally dead via oil contamination) and WHY we need to move to different sources. I'd LOVE to install a wind generator to offset my costs but because this is a POLITICAL hot topic, manufacturers are attempting to GOUGE consumers. Green Tech blog had a link, it was 75 years to break even on a wind turbine.

86 the mega-million boondoggles where 50% is skimmed and stolen and come up with real, modest proposals. Do we need a $5T high speed rail system in the US or would a $25M light rail loop around Houstin modeled off Vancouver's SkyTrain make more sense AND save millions of gallons of non-used gas per year.

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