Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again [UPDATED]
Summary: Tech news site Neowin.net is the target of a bogus complaint resulting in Facebook fanpage removal for the second time without warning or recourse.
UPDATE: since publication more pages successfully attacked with this exploit (including Ars Technica and RedMond Pie) puts the total of lost page members over 100K. Skip to page bottom for details and Facebook's response.
Someone's got a grudge against tech news site Neowin, and they're playing a game of dirty pool against them on Facebook.
On April 20, Neowin blogger Brad Sams blew the whistle on Facebook's two-faced policy that had been keeping Neowin's Facebook page offline for weeks with no explanation.
Facebook pulled the well-established, respected site's page with no warning or explanation.
When Sams finally got a response, Neowin was told that some lout with a Gmail address had made a report against Neowin for infringing content. Facebook said Neowin couldn't have their page back until "Jonathan" said so, because he was the owner of the Neowin trademark for a robot toy store.
Except that trademark and the robot store doesn't exist.
Rather than leaving a horse head in Facebook's bed like the rest of us want to most of the time, Neowin (the original article) showed Facebook the goods on how they're the real Neowin, and "Jonathan" is a no-good rat.
Facebook maintained its reputation for fifth-rate user relations with a bevy of canned responses and said sorry, Charlie.
Neowin outlined how they'd been griefed, saying:
Facebook keeps responding by saying that the only way to resolve the issue is to get Jonathan to retract their complaint.
Essentially, if you do not like a Facebook fanpage, create a DCMA request, send it from any email address, and then never open your email account again.
By doing this, you can take down any fanpage because Facebook requires that the issuer rescind their initial complaint.
When you put it this way, Facebook is like Disneyland for trolls. And a really precarious place to do business - unless you like living on the edge.
Three hundred comments later, Facebook's miserable excuse for support sheepishly reinstated the page.
On Wednesday April 27, they gave Neowin another unwelcome surprise by taking the page down - again, thanks to the same bogus claim.
This story was like a bad déjà vu for me, except Neowin got an actual explanation about their complainer - even though they got the same fat lot of nothing and a missing page as a result.
Last year I started a page for women to show their support and create discussions around women's issues with pornography. It wasn't for pictures, links, or even off-color language and the thousands of us on it kept it clean and safe.
But we weren't anti-porn, and conservatives on the page "Porn Harms" rallied their page members to report us to get the page taken down. It worked. On the "Porn Harms" page, they openly celebrated and discussed their successful bogus takedown of our page.
The page deletion was covered in publications such as Psychology Today and notable blogs, but Facebook couldn't be bothered to reign in the abuse. Like Neowin, we lost our page and our community.
So what does Neowin do? Facebook is the standard tool for marketing, it's great for page views, and brings Neowin's great (and much-loved) indie coverage of Windows, PCs, Macs and Linux.
And it's all gravy to Facebook, who apparently could give a toss about how anyone else plays by their rules.
Looking at Neowin's situation, it looks like the next game Zynga outgha make is Trollville.
UPDATE THURS APRIL 28 2:05 PM PST:
After publication just over 12 hours ago, three things happened.
- Other sites came forward: Redmond Pie has had their page taken down a third time (losing 74,000 Facebook fanpage members).
- New attack: All became new victims of the same griefing technique - including Ars Technica's Facebook page. Ars lost upward of 40,000 page members. Read thoroughly updated: Facebook shoots first, ignores questions later; account lock-out attack works (Update VIII).
- More press coverage and insufficient Facebook response: The topic gained coverage from wider press, such as Read Write Web: Anyone Can Take Down A Facebook Page With A Fake Email Address. Importantly, I mention RWW because Facebook has responded only to RWW since this story broke.
This is despite the fact that RWW is not directly affected by the issue, and as of this update Facebook still has not responded to Ars Technica or Redmond Pie.
Facebook is responding slowly (if they do at all), and their statement to RWW is a canned response.
The fact remains that no company, media outlet or page owner is safe from this exploit. As pointed out on RWW, Facebook does not verify the legitimacy of the bogus complaint, or even the email address of the sender.
Page owners only find out their community and "marketing tool" is gone by visiting the page and finding it missing; we now see that Facebook does not provide warning before deletion.
It seems that only Facebook pages with ample legal resources will have recourse.
And in my opinion, that makes the bottom line of any kind of resource investment in Facebook bad for brands - at least, any non-corporate brands.
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RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
Another unexplained point - Neowin has its own webpage. Why the bleep does it need (or care about) having a Facebook page??? Facebook isn't Google or Bing. Nobody's using Facebook to find their next toilet paper purchase or their tech news.
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
Other sites handle DMCA complaints with something at least pretending to resemble a rational response that gives the target of the complaint potential recourse.
I'm not saying DMCA isn't a Charlie Foxtrot in its own right -- but Facebook's way of dealing with it IS a Charlie Foxtrot in its own right.
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
1) Sorry, but marketing has been part of fb's mission from day 1.
2) And how, pray tell, does Company X get people to find their site?
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
Perhaps it's "Except that trademark and the robot store DON'T exist."?
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
You didn't complain when you were in Grant Park crying because someone with the right color skin will be your new Dear Leader. But, nooooooow...now they complain! Suck it up. The Overlords run your life. Submit, hipsters!
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/obama-and-facebook-in-warm-embrace/
Also happening to Redmond Pie
It seems ArsTechnica also has been hit now:
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/04/facebook-shoots-first-ignores-questions-later-account-lock-out-attack-works.ars
MJ
Great post, Vi
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
Hit Facebook with a DCMA complaint...
It is trademarked but on a completely different class
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2054506
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/obama-and-facebook-in-warm-embrace/
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again
facebook has a take no prisoners attitude toward users
She operates by inserting herself into exchanges solely for the purpose of being antagonistic. It's obvious in almost every case she doesn't have the background or understanding of the subject to begin with. Her comments edge towards the personal while wallowing in the grossly uninformed until eventually she angers somebody enough that they react strongly to her. She immediately adopts the role of victim and becomes this poor, handicapped, elderly lady who just wanted to learn about things and make friends. She reports the person who told her off and plays the victim like a virtuoso violinist plays his instrument.
My FB drama began when I was having a conversation with a fellow Harley enthusiast when out of the blue a woman jumps into the conversation and began insulting everybody. She was quickly and politely asked to leave. Suddenly, in jumps the Busy-Body to the rescue. The woman who butted in was one of BB's friends it turns out. So, BB plants herself right in the middle of conversation raising hell about our manhood's, our motorcycling credentials, and all other kinds of things. In response to a barrage of insults directed at me I responded with this exact quote: "W____, sometimes you make me want to set my hair on fire and stab myself in the eye with a fork! Please just go away and leave us alone!".
The next day when my home page opens I get a pop-up saying I have been sending threatening messages to members and continued violation of FB agreements will get my account suspended or cancelled. The warning goes on to say that the offending comments have been removed and no information will be provided about the specifics of, or details on incident. I checked and found I have no appeal, no right to comment back or ask anything about what happened. I went back to the exchange and everything was, and still is, there. Because nothing was removed, I wondered if someone had somehow hijacked my password and was sending messages pretending to be me. Highly unlikely, but remotely possible. Of course, I can't find out because there is no support phone number and the twisted and convoluted email support (in the loosest sense of the word) is a maze that leads nowhere.
Busy-Body won again. She always succeeds because almost all sites have a kick users out first, never ask questions and never allow an appeal policy.
I can understand it to a degree because it can create a huge workload trying to sort out petty squabbles. With something like 500 million FB users it would take a small army to even attempt it. But, people like Busy-Body who either make a game of getting people kicked off sites or use this one-sided reporting system to censor and silence those of a contrary opinion have the deck stacked incredibly in their favor. I have notice on sites that deal with political and social issues an increase in the number of opposing view shills who join and do nothing but sow dissent, misinformation, and distract from issues in any manner possible.
Even here on ZDNet, a tech report on a questionable motherboard design will have anti-Obama, conservative vs. liberal, Apple vs. Windows/PC, Linux vs. everybody all throughout reader comments. Some have figured out how to place their views and get by the auto-censor which itself seems to have a political bias. I have noticed lately more and more comments getting flagged here for holding a contrary opinion be it actually about the subject of the article or challenging somebody's technical savvy.
I seriously doubt this ability to play the bully using the "rules" as the instrument of oppression will ever stop. It will get worse for anybody daring cross the boundaries of those who stake out blogs and other participatory sites as their private domains as the practice becomes more common.
Or it will become like YouTube comments which turn into 14 year old juvenile male "our parents can't hear us" arguments where the number of obscenities replace logic and debate. It's too bad the truly open to all ideas persona the Internet was first endowed with is well on its way to becoming the most easily censored and controlled media that could have ever been imagined. And like all such things, it's the people who use it, the rank and file, who will bring this to be.
RE: Neowin's Facebook Page Downed by Bogus Complaints - Again