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No “Gay” or “Sex” In Yahoo! Clues: The Emergent Trend of Filtered Results

By | November 22, 2010, 6:00am PST

Summary: Looking for Gay or Sex-related search results in Yahoo! Clues? Forget about it.

Looking for Gay or Sex-related search results in Yahoo! Clues? Forget about it.

Update: A representative from Yahoo! has responded to this article and further questions. Responses are at page bottom.

I asked, and now I’m telling: looks like Yahoo! Clues, the new keyword search and comparison tool, has a problem with the gays.

Yahoo!’s new research tool Clues appears to be part of the growing trend of search giants and their tools not reporting results or returning data on sex-related keywords. Launched this last Tuesday, the service offered a way for people to “Explore interesting patterns in what people are searching for on Yahoo! Search.” As of this writing, amazingly, there is still no data available for anyone searching for “gay,” “masturbation” or “sex“. No data available, indeed.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. It’s just like if Google Trends had a homophobic little brother. Especially when Clues does give us results for “lesbian,” “bisexual” and “transgender.”

Yahoo! Clues and its glaring omissions of certain sexual topics is a new salvo in the growing trend of search services non-transparently serving their users with G-rated results. Google Instant took the prize for showing extreme intolerance around not only adult-related keywords, but for refusing to include certain people (disclosure: I am one of the people Google Instant disallows). But unlike Clues, Instant does allow the word “sex.”

Maybe part of the problem with Clues is that there is also no data available for “dominatrix.”

Yahoo! Clues is supposed to be for keyword research and comparison. People are strange, and having access to keyword search data helps to understand what words are being used to find web content (or not find it). Plugging words into Google Trends always yields a few surprises.

Yet Clues wants to go a bit further on the first date, and it’s entertaining enough, so we hung out for a little longer than our distaste for uncomfortably filtered results usually allows. And some of the extras are really neat. After keyword comparison, Clues provides demographics with ability to sort by age and/or gender. Searching by sex seems ironic when looking at results for “transgender” but, hey, our “no gays” Clues has already made it clear he isn’t the kind of guy to buy you flowers on the first date.

As you’d expect from a good ‘ol boy, Clues is America-centric. ” Currently, only Yahoo! Search information originating from the United States is available.” Clues’ income data is calculated “using anonymous aggregated zip code information from Yahoo! Search matched against per capita income data from the US Census Bureau.” I had hoped for more to substantiate the data, but it still looks neat — plus, the “search flow” data is super-fun to play with, where you can see what terms were put in just before and after the term you’re investigating.

If Trends offered up this data, and did so globally, it would be unstoppable. Clues comes out of the box with handicaps so severe, I can tell you already that there isn’t going to be a second date. Fun to play with, yes. But I would never, ever use Clues for making any business decisions whatsoever, nor for article research.

Mistress is displeased with Clues

Seriously: what’s with the zero results for “gay”?

On one (firm) hand, it could be arguable to restrict an all-ages search tool to results that did not include “pornography” — as Clues also omits this term. In the efforts to sanitize search, keeping porny data away from chirrun’s curious eyes would make search services a “clean” zone, a family-friendly experience. In this, Yahoo! chastely joins hands with Apple in striving to be a destination for conservatives, concerned parents, and people who don’t like to see sex, definitely want to avoid porn, and shy away from including the gays. They’re doing it for the children, or to protect you, or their reputation, which is clearly tied to both principles.

Just what I need: a keyword research tool that protects me from myself. Hey, I’m not taking a swipe here, even if I sound catty: no one likes to be surprised with non-consensual experiences. Some things are safer with filters on.

On the other hand, what if those filters are broken? In a way, all filters are: any kid can come along and spoof a filter in five seconds: type “jailbait” vs. “jail bait” into Clues and you’ll see what we mean: follow its suggestions for “lesbian” > “lesbian tube” > “lesbian porn tube” and you end up following its own suggestions - that lead to zero results. So we see that Yahoo! Clues is certainly broken if they’re trying to self-censor data and keyword search results for family friendliness.

If Clues is trying to run a sex-free search term filter (and good luck on that one), then it’s not doing a very good job. And it’s making Yahoo! look gay-unfriendly while they’re at it.

Why would we want search tools to be gay (and sex) friendly, anyway? For some people this question is an issue of human rights and equality. No gay and no sex, but lesbian okay, seems discriminatory.

But no matter where you stand on gays or sex, filters or no, any search tool that does not offer up a complete data set when queried is useless.

What do you think: Is Yahoo! going too far, or not far enough? Has a cool tool been neutered? Importantly, will you use Clues? Talk back in the comments and let me know.

Update:

This afternoon a representative from Yahoo! emailed a response to this article and the attention it has brought to the omission of data results for specific keywords such as “gay” and “sex” and the topic of filtering as a trend.

Yahoo! told us that Yahoo! Clues is still in beta and said,

“We appreciate your feedback and will take it into consideration as we continue to evolve Yahoo! Clues during this beta process.”

Writing Yahoo! back, I explained that we understood the product is in beta and if Yahoo! would like to respond to the article, or issues relating to the topic that have been brought up by commenters. Yahoo!’s rep responded:

“[I] do think it’s important to note that this is a beta product, because the Yahoo! Clues data is not yet meant to be comprehensive – we are continuously updating and evolving the list of terms available to be explored.  Yahoo!’s goal is always to provide an objective view of the information people care about, while maintaining the trust of the millions of people who come to Yahoo! to stay informed. In the future we’ll be adding more and more data to Clues, so we encourage you to stay tuned.”

I was still tuned in. I asked, “So, since your list is evolving and the data set is not yet comprehensive, can we look forward to the future inclusion of the terms “gay” and “sex” in Clues?”

Yahoo! answered,

“I can’t talk to specific terms at this stage, but we certainly plan to keep expanding the data in Yahoo! Clues beta so it becomes more comprehensive, while maintaining the trust of our users.”

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Violet Blue is a Forbes Web Celeb, SF Appeal contributor, a high-profile tech personality and one of Wired's Faces of Innovation.

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Violet Blue (tinynibbles.com, @violetblue) is a Forbes Web Celeb, SF Appeal contributor, a high-profile tech personality and one of Wired's Faces of Innovation. She is regarded as the foremost expert in the field of sex and technology, a sex-positive pundit in mainstream media (MacLife, Forbes.com, The Oprah Winfrey Show, others) and is regularly interviewed, quoted and featured prominently by major media outlets (from ABC News to the Wall Street Journal). A published feature writer and columnist, Violet also has many award-winning, best-selling books; her books are featured on Oprah's website. She was the notorious sex columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle. She headlines at conferences ranging from ETech, LeWeb and SXSW: Interactive, to Google Tech Talks at Google, Inc. The London Times named Blue one of the 40 bloggers who really count.
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FAULKNE 13th Oct
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Tholian_53 22nd Nov 2010
The super net nannies are making the net useless to accomplish anything real on it. As you have pointed out research tools that return bad data lead to bad research and foolish results that are then perpetuated by people not sharp enough to follow up their research with something real.
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frabjous 22nd Nov 2010
@Tholian_53 And so it seems to me that research, be it educational, corporate or just looking for insights on the best desk chair, need to consider the use of multiple search techniques.

By the way, I've always thought that "words matter" and frankly I do not use Yahoo for that reason. According to my research, the original developers knew the meaning of the word "yahoo" and specifically chose it for its meaning when they named their service. As a consequence, I choose not to use "flaming a$$hole" portal, search engine, etc. I don't miss them; they certainly don't miss me, but I enjoy being able to make the choice. (You do know it came from Gulliver's Travels, right, meaning "coarse, filthy, smelly, bestial, barbaric, bipedal creature only vaguely resembling a human," right?)
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I think you give them too much credit
use_what_works_4_U 24th Nov 2010
@frabjous
As evidenced by the fact that the name is "Yahoo!" not "Yahoo" I believe that Mr Yang, et al... only know "Yahoo" as an expression of exuberance. They don't have the knowledge of literary history, and they don't have respect for the history of censorship. If the corporate consciousness at Yahoo! actually understood censorship, and by extension understood their own actions in these cases, they might have thought twice. As it is we are left with no respect for lessons learned when others try to control our thoughts and access to information.
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Amen, Brother! NT
Master Skywalker 24th Nov 2010
@frabjous Amen, Brother!
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Tim_Payne@... 22nd Nov 2010
Yahoo!!! It is about time that filters such as this are in place to aide in improving the morals of this country!
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cyberslammer2 22nd Nov 2010
@Tim_Payne@... Yes, I agree, it's so great they remove sex from society but still make it okay to search for beheading videos.
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Tholian_53 22nd Nov 2010
@Tim_Payne@...
Morals that deny the existence of sex aren't morals. They are a mental illness.
@Tim_Payne@...

keep your morals to yourself, and let us go about our lives in peace, please. It's just like those who wish to oppress others in any other form.
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klockheed 22nd Nov 2010
@shryko - Keep your amoralism to yourself, let us go about our lives in peace, please. You are one of those who wishes to oppress others! wink Don't become intolerant of the intolerant.
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ColdFusion_z 22nd Nov 2010
@Tim_Payne@... ahhh....so that's no gays for you then eh Tim? Guess they are all immoral....that must be what you are saying??

back under your rock!
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Tim_Payne: master baiter
ejhonda 22nd Nov 2010
@everyone - c'mon folks, this is a fictitious account used to get you riled up. Do a search...
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ke6gwf 22nd Nov 2010
@ejhonda
Can't, his name is now filtered to protect us!

"They" must want us riled up...
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Master Skywalker 24th Nov 2010
@Tim_Payne@... Yeah, right... That's just stupid, your morals are what they are, no one will improve that for you, much less an Internet service like this: they only care about "moral values" because that could improve the bottom line and make share holders happy. You will end up finding another way to get what your "appetites" demand. Putting the responsibility of your own behavior in a corporation is just a way to fool no one else but yourself.
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darkmoonman 22nd Nov 2010
This isn't new. Yahoo has a long history of being anti-gay and anti-sex.
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cyberslammer2 22nd Nov 2010
@darkmoonman But then log into Yahoo chat and your inundated by requests from sex bots....

See the ridiculous hypocrisy?
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MajorT0M 22nd Nov 2010
Way to create an opportunity for another company to outmaneuver them while seeming more progressive at the same time! Allowing searches on "gay" and "sex" isn't strictly (or even primarily) about searches for porn. It is also about medical information, sociological and cultural studies, marketing, and education. Yahoo! Clues needs to get a clue.
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Spot on
fjpoblam Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
@MajorT0M Not to mention Enola Gay and others...

Sequences of letters do not deserve censorship.

And, "The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." (Tommy Smothers)
(meaning, let the search USER opt out of looking at objectionable search results)
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Just for fun
reziol 22nd Nov 2010
You mentioned that it would give results for "transgender" but not "dominatrix" - so for laughs, I thought I'd see if it would find "transgender dominatrix". My results? It told me "no data available, but I might be interested in one of these results: Helena Bonham Carter, Stephanie Seymour, j.k. Rowling, and Alice in Wonderland." Oh, the mental images that conjures up.
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JoeFoerster Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
@reziol Cool! Well, since the headmaster of Hogwarts turned out to be gay, why can't the author of the books be lesbian?
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And I thought I woke up in China!
billcheng 22nd Nov 2010
Seriously! I don't ever want to hear anyone complaining about the Chinese censorship ever again!
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loupgarous 22nd Nov 2010
@billcheng Nice try comparing apples to oranges, but Yahoo volunteered to do this. We don't have a Ministry of State Security to tell them to do it. In fact, we have something called a "First Amendment" that specifically forbids the US Government from doing censorship. The US courts have specifically gone as far as allowing the publication of nuclear weapons secrets rather than impede freedom of expression.
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Optional is a key phrase here...
shryko 22nd Nov 2010
don't shove filters down people's throats, at least, not without having a safe word, that when said, you'll stop.

Give people the option to turn off the "G-rated" aspect, and get actual, reliable, and useful data. Otherwise, you'll never keep up with "the lingo" as the kids move on to fool your filtering.
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Something in common?
Regats 22nd Nov 2010
Yahoo is HeeHaw
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Any censorship is bad
Dr_Zinj 22nd Nov 2010
And secret censorship is even worse.

Frankly, any search engine that auto-censors searches is a broken and useless product.

That's one reason I don't use Yahoo, and why I use several different engines when looking for important information.
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DeusXMachina 22nd Nov 2010
@Dr_Zinj
And again, as is your modus operandi, you TOTALLY fail to understand the topic. This is NOT about filtered search results, this is about filtered analytics. Duh.
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mswift@... 22nd Nov 2010
Try doing cancer research at a public library. They filter for a lot of anatomical words and pictures with skin. Makes it kind of hard to learn anything since cancer research uses both words and pictures.
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yahoo who?
rengek 22nd Nov 2010
eh no biggie. Yahoo is no longer relevant. They need sensationalism to try to become relevant again. Maybe they should buy the enquirer as well or have sarah palin as ceo next.
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Yahomophobes
Ninth Life 22nd Nov 2010
It's interesting to note they are just as biased against gays in there lame attempts at cleaning up pron over on their Flickr site. By percentage, Yahoo will completely delete any adult oriented account that is non-hetrosexual far more often than straight sex images. Those apparently preferable ones, they mostly place behind their patented pron shield, by comparison. The exception being cross-dressers, which are seen as mainly safe unless they wave their winkies, and not really any indication of non-hetro orientation anyway. It seems strange in that Yahoo is so close to SF, but having been to CA, the impression was that just outside the main towns, it's actually pretty red-neck racist and fairly anti-gay, for the most part. Maybe it's over-compensation, or that most folks at Yahoo are actually gay and somehow ashamed of it, for some reason. More likely though, in the attempts by Yahoo to portray Flickr as a family-friendly social network for sharing photos, instead of the covert pron site it actually is, they worry a lot about PR image. It appears that somehow, getting ******** straight sex images past filters and into grade schools by refusing to correctly label Flickr as a pron site, might seem worse if those are countless gay pics instead of simply straight ones.
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DeusXMachina Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
"Its just like if Google Trends had a homophobic little brother. Especially when Clues does give us results for lesbian, bisexual and transgender.

You might want to rethink your choice of the word "especially," as these two clauses are mutually exclusive, NOT additive.

Or are you claiming homophobic younger male siblings, though hating homosexuals, as a group tend to like gay women, those who switch hit, and chixwithdix? (Let's see if THAT makes it past the censors!)
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Ah... SAFETY
FichenDich Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
Teh gays begat teh AIDS. Teh AIDS begat teh filters. Teh filters and teh TSA frottage make Murikuh SAFE. (Does "frottage" bring up any results ? Inquiring minds want to know.)
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Frottage
use_what_works_4_U 24th Nov 2010
@FichenDich
Not only does frottage bring up search results but one of the auto populating search term options is "frottage video clips".
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jstevens@... 22nd Nov 2010
ok so my daughter can't do a report on " The sexual reproduction habits of the Monarch butterfly" for her science class on Yahoo...
so be it. Personally I believe that Yahoo is a tool - a poor one but still a tool, one that I won't likely use, but still a tool.

I pesonally don't want anyones Morality/amorality shoved down my throat. I believe that we should all be able to make our own choices- those of us with children should be active parents involved with their use of the net - if I want something censored from my daughters I will do it myself, the way I see as proper.

By just blanking things out you add to the negitive connotation to it - i.e. by blanking out all results on the word gay they are in my opinion adding a negitive opinion to that social group... additionally lets say I wanted to find the last line of the "Flintstones" theme song ("we'll have a gay old time") I suppose that would be blanked out as well.
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Yahoo! News also has a problem...
loupgarous 22nd Nov 2010
I've had comments in Yahoo! News not be accepted that were otherwise unobjectionable because I used the word "God" in them. Go figure. And while "lesbian" doesn't trip the filters in Yahoo! Clues, it apparently does (sometimes) in Yahoo! Answers, even when one is commenting on a story regarding "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." Either that, or there are some very easily offended human censors in that part of the service.
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Yahoo! Clues: not professional grade
loupgarous 22nd Nov 2010
Yahoo! can pretend to be relevant and useful to a broad spectrum of users, but by not only bowdlerizing results but doing so by a hidden schema, they're just making sophisticated tools like their Clues useless for any serious researcher. And who but a serious researcher would need searcher demographics (to cite one example)?

By sexualizing the word "gay," Yahoo! is also betraying a certain amount of ignorance and bigotry... at first look, it seems odd for an online service that leans toward the liberal in its news analysis, but if Google's prime directive is "Don't be evil," Yahoo's seems to be "Don't be controversial. Even if you have to be evil to avoid it."
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Clockwork Computer Updated - 22nd Nov 2010
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No Kinky Boots, either !
Clockwork Computer 22nd Nov 2010
It'd be funny, if it wasn't for the hypocrisy.
Mind you, 10% of women 35-44 want an AK47 apparently.
So slaughter in the bedroom is OK, it seems.
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Violet Blue 22nd Nov 2010
@DeusXMachina Your comment gave me a smile; thank you! My use of "especially" was both tongue-in-cheek and intentional. Your last question is spot-on. I think it's observable that the same type of gentleman who overdoes his homophobia is the same guy overdoing the cheers for girl-girl action. I was suggesting that Yahoo! is erring their sex (data) filter accordingly.

Is there a rational explanation for excluding "gay" but keeping "lesbian"? Anyone? Bueller?
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DeusXMachina Updated - 23rd Nov 2010
@violetblue
Well, if one wants to be a stickler, is there a rational explanation for the clearly redundant phrase "gay and lesbian"? Maybe Yahoo! is striking a blow for language purism, one word at a time?
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Bible tumping
use_what_works_4_U 24th Nov 2010
@violetblue
I am an Episcopalian. During the flap over Gene Robinson's ordination as the first openly gay bishop on record was going on I had a very interesting conversation with my priest. My priest happens to be a woman and she pointed out that in the Bible there are a very few passages condemning male homosexual behavior. Nowhere, however, does the Bible condemn a woman for laying down with another woman as she would a man. In other words, the Bible says gay men are sinners to be condemned to Hell, but lesbians either don't exist, or are left alone to live their lives as the will.
Why is this? Well, I am led to believe that the answer lies in the teachings of that great group of theologians known as Monty Python:
"Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is Great,
If a sperm is wasted
God gets quite irate!"

Hey, it's in the Bible, right?
wink
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DeusXMachina 25th Nov 2010
@macadam
In addition, the passages against male homosexuality occur in Leviticus and Deuteronomy in the context of laws for the chosen people. The scriptural double talk that gets Christians out of the need to keep kosher, as well as allowing them to wear cotton/poly blends, and plant mixed crops (all expressly prohibited in the Bible) is equally applicable to male homosexuality.
The only other passages that condemn the behaviour occur in the writings of Paul. In addition to being a homophobe, Paul was also a misogynist, and was against sex in general, as he felt that it was too fraught with the danger of sin. Since he felt the Second Coming was imminent (a matter of years, if not months) he felt it was prudent to just play it safe, and refrain from all such behaviour until the return of the Messiah, so as to not make mistake, and thus forfeit eternal life.
Seems he was wrong on that one, too.

FYI, my mother was in the first class of women ordained immediately after the 1976 General Convention approving ordination of women in the American Episcopal church.
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Lobo7@... 22nd Nov 2010
Too many strange sounding people writing in about this subject.
I am unsubscribing.
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Another victory for free speech!
use_what_works_4_U 24th Nov 2010
@Lobo7@...
If you disagree, then disagree. If you don't want to read the comments, then don't read them. You had to know where this conversation would go when you read the headline for this blog entry. Unsubscribing will only cost you one option for more information. It won't hurt our discussions one bit.

Another victim of intolerance, and this one did it to him(her)self
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But still
congalalalala 22nd Nov 2010
Porn IS educational. Well in a way.
I can see the future now..people will have a different language that keeps evolving proportional to how this search engines are able to filter this content.
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The American Taliban!
AZEducator 23rd Nov 2010
I am an information technology educator. Several years ago, some idiot administrator got into our system and blocked all variations of the word "anal". A student was trying to run a program that had the word "analytical" in it. The program would not run. I could not believe they had gotten so far to to prevent the execution of a program with the word "analytical" in it in an IT classroom. The state is Arizona, where even the newly elected governor never graduated high school!
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Yahoo Censorship
thomashawk 23rd Nov 2010
A little over a year ago when it felt like flickr was targeting gay accounts and groups for deletion someone started a blog accusing Flickr of being anti-gay. I mentioned it in the Help Forum in a thread about Flickr targeting gays for deletion and have been permanently banned from the help forum ever since.
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Yahoo's days are numbered...
Yam Digger 23rd Nov 2010
XXX
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Kibrika 7th Dec 2010
Kind of annoying that they want to keep "the trust of users" by messing up the results.

I agree that secret censorship is even worse than an admitted one. And I liked the comment about a safe-word to get the filters to stop.

This freedom oppressing safety is just evil.
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FCC now controls the internet...
Hatestone Johnson 22nd Dec 2010
...what do you expect? Orwell would be proud. Welcome to the New World Order.
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