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(UPDATED) Facebook Gives Apps Your Phone Number And Address, No Opt Out

By | January 17, 2011, 3:06am PST

Summary: UPDATE: In a carefully worded statement at 11:25 PM Monday night, Facebook has retracted their permissions to developers for user address and mobile numbers. In their post, they state that they will re-introduce the “feature” with updates and “improved” features. We hope this means users retain control of key - and intimate - aspects of [...]

UPDATE: In a carefully worded statement at 11:25 PM Monday night, Facebook has retracted their permissions to developers for user address and mobile numbers. In their post, they state that they will re-introduce the “feature” with updates and “improved” features. We hope this means users retain control of key - and intimate - aspects of their private information.

END UPDATE

Last Friday at 6:00 PM, Facebook rolled out new permissions that give applications access to individuals’ addresses and phone numbers.

So if you use any app, like a game, the window you must click to allow it access to your profile (so you can use the game) now gets more personal info about you than ever before.

There is no way to opt-out. As you can see above, all personal data is being treated as if it were of the same value.

So if you want to play FarmVille (and Zynga wants addresses and phone numbers from this point forward), you have to grant Zynga permission to the home address and phone number in your profile. If you don’t want to let them have access, no farming for you, pal.

This is for all apps who decide to implement this new “feature” for developers, including ones that might be malicious. Or opportunistic app developers who try and land-grab as much data as possible to sell to third parties.

I think it is the equivalent of handing your ID to an anonymous telemarketer somewhere in the world. Ever order something and had your address or phone number sold?

With Facebook’s value through the roof, you can bet your privacy they’re going to monetize your dearest data. In a way, if you’ve shared it with Facebook, you already have.

The new screen (above) is the dialogue box in its new form.

One big problem is that people have been trained to click through this screen; the box now says it’s sharing the information but it does not really look any different than it did before. For people already overwhelmed by Facebook (like your kids and your grandma) it will be easy to miss.

Also, because the new window doesn’t say sharing address and phone number is a new thing, users are likely to think that on signup for CityVille that this is normal and all their friends have done it, and since their friends are not currently experiencing problems then everything must be fine.

Is Facebook capitalizing on the “everyone is doing it” mentality?

The real answer to that is a question: when have they not?

Don’t forget that with Facebook, people are made to use their real names and real information. Inexperienced social network users are likely to put their address and phone numbers into their profiles simply because the form fields are there. And that social conditioning, which many are taught, is what you are supposed to do with forms.

While most young girls grow up knowing that you don’t give your number (or address!) out to strangers or put it online, most guys are likely to not get at first glance why this is the significant breaking of a social personal safety rule. What’s worse, it’s on a commercial and institutional level.

Our kids need to be taught that it’s not okay to give your number and address to strangers online. I’m talking to you, Facebook.

I’m sure it will be fine. I mean, it’s not your credit card data. Oh – wait.

This reminds me of how Google’s Eric Schmidt responded in a CNBC interview when asked about regular people sharing information with Google as if the company were a “trusted friend.” His reply was basically that if you didn’t want people to know it, you shouldn’t share it online.

I’m guessing Facebook feels the same way.

Some people are saying that making the barriers of access zero-to-nothing for apps and their developers to your home address and phone number is a recipe for disaster. That it is a violation.

Some app makers and developers are happily commenting on the Facebook announcement saying, “Thanks! Really needed this!”

Other people are saying like it’s ‘crying wolf’ by privacy nerds, and are arguing that since most apps don’t “need” this data, and that we shouldn’t worry about it.

Which camp are you in? Talk back in the comments and tell us.

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RE: Facebook Gives Apps Your Phone Number And Address, No Opt Out
JACOBSONR 14th Oct
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One opt-out
rcsheets 17th Jan 2011
Actually there is one way to opt out of this (while staying on Facebook), and it's a method I'd suggest giving some serious consideration: remove that information from your Facebook profile.

1. Log in to facebook
2. Click "Edit My Profile"
3. Remove all information you can. You can remove gender by setting it to "Select Gender:". It seems you can't remove your birthday. When you're done, click Save Changes.
4. Click through the other categories on the left, all the way down to "Contact Information", deleting information as you go. Don't forget to click Save Changes.
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Or fake data
John Zern 17th Jan 2011
just through in nonsense.
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Or....
Economister 17th Jan 2011
@John Zern

stay away from Facebook, period. I have never been there and see no reason to participate.
Responding to this because I can't respond directly to Economeister

Just because you have no use for something does not mean that no one else does, still less does it mean that the thing in question has no value.
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@Economister - That is certainly an option of course. Another option would be to to avoid all of those games and apps altogether and use it exclusively for social networking (i.e. keeping up with friends vis status updates, IM, etc.) and block the app feeds on your homepage.
@John Zern ... Throwing (NOT through!) in nonsense data isn't possible in a lot of cases. It's easy to force the users to put a legit phone number format, email address, zip code, etc. etc. and in which case you may well be saddling someone you never heard of with YOUR problems!
Go try it but pay attention; you might find it pretty interesting. Have you actually signed up that way at FB? I have a hunch you didn't.
Facebook is simply following the same credo as any other business today: What can we get away with?

As people get dumber (or dumb people gain access to more things through the Internet), the answer is: "Almost anything."
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@rcsheets
never give personal info away, especially to facebook!
@rcsheets One of the Federal web regulations requires web sites to have some way of knowing that participants that give personal data are over 12. So you'd have to disguise that on any site.
@rcsheets ... You might edit what's displayed going forward, but I recently learned that even so, FB has KEPT that now not displayed information. There seems to be a lot of opinions on what they can and do, do with the info but you can bet it's part of their database.
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Delete delete
Bolaris 17th Jan 2011
That's right! Delete your personal info or just place "xxxx" if required field. This is the most basic way of giving yourself a key to accessing apps while stamping out criminal activity on behalf of apps that hand over sensitive personal details. To put it bluntly if you've still got your phone number or address on facebook you are an idiot.
What a privacy nightmare that site is. What's sad is that (probably) the majority of the users do not realize what's going on and the risks. "I'm socializing with my friends, how could that be bad?"
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@Mike (not Cox)
This "privacy nightmare" is easily fixed. Nobody has to enter their phone number on their Facebook profile. If you do, please don't let me hear you whine because it got out. If I do, I'll be forced to call you names and make you feel foolish.
@jasonp@... Have you actually signed up? That was not my experinece.
@Mike (not Cox)

The idea is that you provide that information FOR YOUR FRIENDS. Those you specify and trust to have it even. You don't say oh.. I trust those apps more then my friends, so why should that information be shared with them.

Doing this will cause FB no good. I've been bitten by a malware app... was not fun.. just because your friends have it... is just a recipe for disaster.
There are loads of Facebook groups where someone has lost their phone and asks a bunch of friends for their numbers but they set it to Public. If you're that stupid, then it's your own fault.
I opted out of Facebook entirely the last time it pulled this kind of stunt about 6-9 months ago. The bottom line is that you need to do a lot to justify a $50Bn valuation, and customer privacy has always been a low priority, it doesn't pay the bills, advertisers and app developers do. Neither now or at any time in the future will it be in Facebook's interests to protect private data, it will always be better to sell it. Each privacy change results in a huge release of data, then Facebook backs off for a few months, then it does it again. It's a predictable business cycle, I bet it's central to the revenue budget and market valuation. At least Google is up front about its intentions.
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Not me personally, but I'm sure somebody out there has figured out the angles on this.
@terry flores ... That would become saleable data: Make "someone" be "many" as there will be more than one person wanting to make the money.
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1600 Pennsylvania Ave
Washington DC
202) 456-1414

You'll be surprised how quick this gets fixed!
wink
@kd5auq Now that's a capital (or should I say Capitol) idea!
I never gave them my address and phone number. I don't give it out to anyone.
@kd5auq ... Not at all. If you want some interesting stats, go look up spam at the white house.
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Facebook wouldn't allow my address and home city.... I tried
Cylon Centurion Updated - 17th Jan 2011
But Facebook discriminates against Colonials. Nowhere on Facebook would it allow me to enter in any Colonial city. Not even Caprica City. sad
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Contributr
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@Cylon Centurion 0005 Now is this really discrimination against Colonials or just Cylons?
Oh, take a breath. 'There's no opt-out' - it's opt-in! If you don't want to share it, don't use apps that ask for it.

And as for 'I think it is the equivalent of handing your ID to an anonymous telemarketer somewhere in the world. Ever order something and had your address or phone number sold?'

You do know Facebook expressly forbids app developers to pass user data on to third parties, don't you?

For the millionth time: Facebook doesn't sell user data. It uses user data to generate adverts, but that has nothing to do with this.
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you must be kidding
jmelnik 17th Jan 2011
"You do know Facebook expressly forbids app developers to pass user data on to third parties, don't you?"

oh well, if they forbid it...

are you serious? do you honestly think id thieves care about the rules?
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no matter to me
tiderulz 17th Jan 2011
i didnt put any of that information in my profile to begin with.
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Just say No ...
bmeacham98@... 17th Jan 2011
... to Facebook altogether. Quit. (And don't log on afterwards, or you will be resurrected. Up to two weeks, I'm told.)
The pervasiveness and affordability of broadband has made Online Applications a reality - no one can doubt that. But at the same time, all professionals and students would like to have copies of the same applications on their home-devices, so that they don't mess up important assignments due to network hiccups or failures. On the plus side, Net Applications do provide ubiquity in terms of accessing your documents from anywhere even when not carrying processing devices on your person.
I don't recall ever entering my address or phone number on Facebook, and I can't find them on there anywhere.
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Tell your friends . . . on FeacesBook
scairns@... 17th Jan 2011
FaceBook is not an altruistic or Not For Profit organization. It is a business and has a business model.
As a stream of revenue, advertising can only go so far.
It has now been confirmed that as part of it's business model, FaceBook will provide (has been providing?) personal user data to third parties. Probably for a fee wink
I'm betting that somewhere in the license small print is a line stating something like "I give Blah Company the right to use all data I enter as seen fit".
According to it's business model, FaceBook has probably reached a certain milestone and it is time to release certain information about this model to the public.
You can bet that all information that has been put on to FaceBook to date has already been harvested. The horse has well and truly bolted.
Mind you, that is NOT to say you shouldn't remove as much personal data from your profile as possible, and to tell others to do likewise.

The most effective work that can be done now is proactive and preventative. And that work is to teach people who have not yet joined FaceBook or other social networking sites.

There are many options available for dealing with FaceBook (and other social networking sites), some of which have been discussed in this forum.
Once you have determined a method of successfully creating a FaceBook account, with minimal valid information (starting with a valid GMail account or similar) disseminate that process to as many people as possible, ESPECIALLY PARENTS OF YOUNG CHILDREN, with instructions NOT to post/send ANY personal or private information to a friend or acquaintance on this service, or any service connected to FaceBook.

And do you know what?
FeacesBook is a GREAT was to tell people ;-))
Then send this info/process to your friends., especially those with young children, who are considering opening a FaceBook account. Ask them to then send it their friends. Etc., etc. . . .

Good fortune. Stay well.
This is exactly why I quit facebook over 6 months ago, and I haven't missed it ever since.
It's time to start living in real life.
Yes, another example of permissions getting no thought when they add new features.

Push the feature out the door, discuss the privacy implications later?

Eh, this isn't working. Pulling it and changing it isn't enough - I want to know what they're gonna do to prevent such incidents in the future.
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Update security information ???
dapostolides 18th Jan 2011
None of you have seen the update security information screen that has been popping up, asking for an alternate e-mail address and phone number to safeguard your account. lol more spam and spam txts
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Yet one more way Facebook opens the door to competition. Please, Google, Yahoo, Apple, Microsoft, startups, MySpace, ANYBODY... give us a viable alternative!
One of many reasons facebook is blocked on every network I administer.
Phonebooks do that.
We all know about Facebook's propensity to share personal data, so why would anyone want to sign up?
Facebook is the free version of classmates. I guess that 10 bucks a month might not be so bad, afterall.
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Experiment
Trep Ford 18th Jan 2011
As one "mucho-mucho" wary of FB, I am currently trying an experiment where I submit NO personal information whatsoever anywhere in my profile, the aim being to use FB purely as a tool for creating a network of contacts for creative professionals (where using an alias or pen-name/stage-name is quite the norm, and has been for ages). I'll keep you posted on how it goes. If one can manage to maintain a purely virtual presence on FB, then perhaps I can find a way to use it that works for me. I was able to join and create a profile without having to provide anything more specific than my "nom de plume" and the region of the US where I live. We'll see how it goes.
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HELLO! WAKE UP!!!
SMOKCHICAGO 18th Jan 2011
ZUCKERBERG IS A JEW-MONEY AND POWER IS THE GOD...NOT PHILANTROPHY.....SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR HIS HIPOCRITICAL "DONATIONS"... HE WANTS MORE NOT TO SERVE PEOPLE.....HELLO! WAKE UP!!!
One day (soon) somebody will bring us the Facebook killer.
-LR
Evolution or Revolution
http://www.cliqsoft.com
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Facebook
twaynesdomain 20th Jan 2011
"Duhhhh". That's what she said.
as long as theyre aware of it. i see more people who otherwise wouldnt get on the net surfing because of FB, is like a open door to get involved more into the web, i have friends relatives that are looking forward to log into FB DAILY! Im constantly getting calls from them when there computers are not logging for different reasons or so. so im saying on the positive of it, as long as youre aware of whats going on , hey the is + and - to all. now to get them away from FB and brows elsewere Is another story comment.
Everything is right! This social network collect and sell you info around without your to know and make some company rich! And aslo some of the people you chat or other who just watch might use some info for to do something againts you.I have a friend who just went for vacation, post that will be 1 week out of city in facebook and his apartment was robbed same time!
Get it straight. None of this companies are benevolent. Even if they were, the data you "share" will eventually end up in the hands of others that make decisions about what interest you pay on credit, what insurance you can buy and for what cost, whether or not you get that job or promotion, even whether you can board that plane. Yes, I know, you are a perfect angel and so nothing bad can be happen to you, or be known about you, but guess what... you used your grocery store "saver card," and now anybody who can pay for the information, knows you eat too much sugar, you have hemorrhoids, and you buy "Shotgun News" magazine. Get a life! Talk to your friends directly, and stay off out of the social media sites.
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