Cloud computing: why all of the vehemence?

Summary: It would be wise of IT and facilities practitioners to focus on where and how new technology or new approaches can be of use to the organization rather than trying to fight them.

When I'm presenting a cloud computing survey or research on suppliers of cloud computing services to Kusnetzky Group clients or at a conference, I often find that there are several members of the audience who are vehement that cloud computing will never work, is the work of Satan or will lead organizations into untenable positions. While I agree there are concerns about security, data protection, reliability, availability service level guarantees and the like, the proper use of technology, processes and procedures can and do address all but the most difficult problems. I think something else is going on since the energy level (and sometimes the volume of the conversation) is so high.

Most organization's have segmented management and operations of data center facilities and IT management and operations into a number of interdependent, but separate silos. I've observed environments in which each of the data center components was managed by a different team, often reporting to different places within the organization. In some organizations, the only place where all of the lines of management come together is in the office of the CEO.

What occurs to me is that there are a lot of jobs on the line and facilities and IT folks fear that the move to cloud computing, like other forms of outsourcing, might mean that their responsibilities will be changed, the opportunity to grow within the organization will be sharply reduced and, even worse, they might be shown P.T. Barnum's "egress."

The decision to move towards cloud computing, however, is often made for business, not technical reasons. Business decision makers see that only the largest of the large organizations could hope to acquire real estate, electricity, networking infrastructure, servers, memory, storage, air conditioning equipment or power management equipment at a lower cost than many service providers. Furthermore, only the largest organizations would have the breadth and depth of IT, security, and operations expertise on staff.

The next thought these decision makers have is "why should we continue to pay the full price for everything in the data center instead of outsourcing our operation and paying only for what the organization needs?"

Those of us who have lived through the adoption cycles of mainframes, minicomputers, distributed systems, client/server computing, and now, cloud computing, know that once an approach finds its way into the organization, it stays around for a very long time. New technology or new approaches often ride into the organization when new applications are adopted. Older technology stays around until it no longer serves the needs of the organization or until it is entirely replaced by a new approach.

It would be wise of IT and facilities practitioners to focus on where and how new technology or new approaches can be of use to the organization rather than trying to fight them. Mainframes, minicomputers (now called midrange systems), distributed computing, client/server computing and the like are still found in nearly all medium to large organizations. They didn't go away when a new approach or a new application was adopted.

Topics: Cloud, Hardware, Servers, Virtualization

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  • RE: Cloud computing: why all of the vehemence?

    The folks I know in IT that are fighting it are ones who have serious concerns like security, but management has bought into consultants who tell them the clouds are the future of everything. Of course the same management who pushes the clouds will be the first to blame IT if there is a security breach.

    I consulted in the past for a security firm composed of ex-goverment IT hackers. They point out that the hackers love the cloud storage systems, since many are as close to an open door as you can have on data.
    oldsysprog
    • RE: Cloud computing: why all of the vehemence?

      @oldsysprog Thanks for making those points. I know of several suppliers who are offering products that encrypt the data before it heads into a cloud storage solution. It would indeed be wise to make sure that the data is protected.
      dkusnetzky
      • It's not just access to data ...

        @dkusnetzky,

        ... there is also the potential for the disruption of economies by hackers - denying access to data, corrupting data etc. You never, never, never want lump all your data or resources into one or a few places - when you are a country. (This is a security fact recognized from the beginning of time.) In fact what makes the Internet so resilient to disruption, is the massive dispersal of assets there is across companies and geographies. The notion of companies moving their data from countless stores, to a relative few, is one of the most reckless form of computing architectures I have ever seen proposed. Technology can never overcome the natural principle that in order to achieve security, you must disperse your assets to a balanced degree.

        It will always be the most sensible thing for companies to keep critical IT operations close to their vest, and consider farming out less critical operations. Just like with biological entities, if something disrupts operations far from the center, they will be able to continue to function. You business guys should listen to your technical people. Moving everything to the cloud sounds fanciful on paper, but it will be a disaster if it is ever implemented.
        P. Douglas
  • RE: Cloud computing: why all of the vehemence?

    My perspective? I suspect IT folks are fighting not just cloud services but the consumerisation of their networks and systems. By that I mean ... the consumer (employee/boss) deciding what goes on the network and how it runs. Between "bring your own device" and "cloud services" I see IT professionals having to deal with all sorts of problems not of their own design or choice.

    Because, despite having no control over what devices are going on their networks (personal phones/laptops/tablets) they will have responsibility for them causing problems or not working. Cloud services will just be one more thing that they don't have any control over the devices but will be responsible when the service is unavailable, either because of network outages locally, at the cloud site, or some other issue. They'll be the one getting the nasty phone call and all they'll be able to do is call someone else and see what is going on. When it is their devices on their network they can at least figure out what the problem is, plan for backups, and so forth.

    I can understand that they simply aren't eager to put their data into other people's hands and field phone calls when the data isn't accessible. But, their bosses are keen on all of these things because they save money ... so they're being extremely pessimistic about the whole thing.
    Ididar
  • RE: Cloud computing: why all of the vehemence?

    Thanks for a good read. I so agree.

    Reproduced and a bit changed (my first one disappeared):

    Of course there are concerns about security, who to blame if it fails etc. And no doubt; cloud services should be secure, reliable and available. But my opinion is that cloud won't get people out of work. It's not like the IT is a decreasing market. Technicians are so needed even if adopting cloud services. We should see it as a possibility to evolve; it might end up in a different direction and role. Companies need to have technical experts, they need policies and trusted advisors, and they need orchestrators to wrap up the complete IT delivery.

    It seems like discussions often end up in two teams; the tech team vs the management team. We have to silo and come closer; business to tech and tech to business. Just look at the change of the CIO-role ??? the filter to tech and business. CIO???s has an important role, has to be strong and should focus to meet the core business needs to a given budget. Some services will be cloud, and some not.

    Cloud is in some way a change in IT delivery and we have to adopt some the services sooner or later, or maybe sooner than later.

    Fighting a good reliable, secure and available solution is good. Fighting cloud just because you don???t like it or just love the way you designed it might be read like retrogressive.

    Also; think about working at a cloud service provider ??? quite techy indeed.
    maxbuchler
  • RE: Cloud computing: why all of the vehemence?

    The cloud push-back reminds me so much of the early 90s when relational databases first really started to take hold. There was a constant chorus of "it will never work" from the old hands who were personally invested in VSAM, M204, IDMS, IMS, etc.

    Unfortunately, this is part of human nature, isn't it? To deal with disruptive change by pretending it isn't there. Sort of like covering both ears and shouting "nananana I can't hear you nanana."
    activejim
  • My Favourite Subject: Here's Why The Vehemence

    "there are a lot of jobs on the line"
    True ... and some will become protectionist ... but just as IT has removed jobs in other industries we (in IT) have to accept the loss of our own legacy and move on ... but that's not my main objection.

    "Business decision makers see that only the largest of the large organizations could hope to acquire real estate, electricity, networking infrastructure, servers, memory, storage, air conditioning equipment or power management equipment at a lower cost than many service providers."
    Sounds compelling: I know I am only using 10% of my compute power, 30% of my disk space and 50% of my network capability ... and that this year's technology is way more powerful ... amd that global corporates can cut down on all those other support costs ... so if its costing me $1000 p.a. per desktop now ... then I can expect huge reductions by moving to the cloud.

    BUT IT DOESN'T WORK OUT LIKE THAT. And here's why not.

    1. Global corporations do not want me to move to the cloud to reduce my costs: their objective is to maintain, even grow, their own revenues. It is contrary to their interests to provide a more efficient, cost-effective solution! For this reason whenever you try to construct designs with typical enterprise technology the licensing costs destroy the potetnial gains from consolidation and scale. Just look at the furore surrounding VMWARE licensing ... or calculate the costs of AMAZON storage ... or work out what Office365 will cost you in relation to what yuo can do now.

    2. There is absolutely no chance of an incumbent major IT corporate relinquishing cost control (in fact you can delete the IT - just think how the music industry or banks have operated since the arrival of the Internet). It's not that I don't trust global corporations: I trust them completely - THEY WILL NEVER RELINQUISH CONTROL WILLINGLY.

    3. Moreover corporates are trying to INCREASE control:
    - Apple have a closed ecosystem
    - M$ are following suit with secure boot, 30% developer charge and the banishment of extensible tools e.g. Flash
    - we see AMAZON's play: subsidised tablet and minor cloud benefits - in exchange for your entire purchasing power!
    Who is backing Protect IP and SOPA? OK, piracy is to be deplored - but so are profiteering, monopoly and cartel-like business models.

    Please don't tell me recent provicy violations are just the odd gaffe: corporates would quite happily monitor your very existence if uncontrolled.

    My bottom line is this: I am not going to move to the vendor cloud in the near future. I am on the look out for new architectures - not client-server, enterprise-cost, vendor controlled 'clouds'. I want new architectures based on the exploitation of cheap commodity computing. Nothing illustrates this better than comparing the architecture and cost of enterprise storage with, say, the cost of a new product like symform.

    The final part of the vehemence is that I pointed this out to Ken Hess in his first incantation of your headline some months ago ... and I suspect you will be equally unwilling to engage upon the subject.
    johnfenjackson@...
    • RE: Cloud computing: why all of the vehemence?

      @johnfenjackson@... I'm more than happy to engage in a discussion. Just send me an Email to start the ball rolling.
      dkusnetzky
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