Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

Summary: Apple's customer service expert saves the day

I've got a little story for you today of disaster and how Apple's customer service helped me get quickly back on line.

Defrag or not to defrag, that is the question

Although Apple tells people that Mac OS X's journaled file system is so good that it doesn't need defragmentation, I don't believe it.  So, I acquired Drive Genius from Prosoft Engineering. I use that software to defragment the boot drive on a regular basis and have been happy with the overall system performance.

Booting a USB drive

Due to the fact that Mac OS X doesn't offer some of the file system primitives found in some other operating systems, it is impossible to defragment the boot drive without booting from some other drive.  So, I built a Mac OS X image on a USB drive and loaded Drive Genius on that USB drive.

When it's time to optimize my boot drive, I boot up the system from the USB drive and use Drive Genius to optimize the system's hard disk. As one would expect from a product that messed around with the filesystem, Drive Genius presents an ominous warning screen before starting the optimization process.

Since my system is backed up using Mac OS X's time machine, my files are backed up to a local file server and really important files are replicated to other machine in my local network, I've blithely ignore those ominous warnings.  Everything has worked just fine in the past.  Although everything has worked out time and again, I guess there's always a first time...

Disaster strikes

This time, something unusual happened during the Drive Genius' optimization run.  The Mac OS X system update utility unexpectedly kicked in and interrupted the Drive Genius process.  I'd never seen this happen before.  As one might expect, interrupting a disk optimization utility is bad. Drive Genius, obviously irritated by the interruption, did quite a number on my hard drive's directory structure. No problem, I thought, I'll just search the internet for suggestions on what to do to fix the disk structure.

Since the system was running Mac OS from the USB drive, I first tried the Disk Utility that is part of Mac OS.  No luck. The utility couldn't verify or repair the disk structure. I tried booting the Snow Leopard installation CD. That didn't work either. The CD wouldn't boot. Then I tried booting the installation disk that came with the system. No joy came from that attempt either. None of the suggestions I found on various Mac OS forums helped much.

Apple's customer service

So, I called the Apple support line, paid a small fee, and was connected with Justin. He was polite, friendly, spoke better English than I do (he's from Idaho) and clearly knows a great deal about the operating system.  We went down his diagnostic tree and tried different things for about 45 minutes.

After closing the plantation shutters on my office window, lighting the candles having the little Apple logos and studying a map of Mammoth Cave I had laying around from playing Adventure on a DECsystem 10 years ago, we were finally able to get the Snow Leopard installation disk to boot.

Once booted, we ran the disk utility and, sure enough, the utility told us that the disk couldn't be verified or fixed. The only choice was to erase and recreate the system disk.

I closed my eyes, asked for help form the computer gods, and clicked the button that would obliterate my hard drive directory structure, all of my applications and all of my data. In a few moments, the system was set to reload Mac OS.

Once the installation process for Mac OS was started, Justin reminded me of my incident code and give me an 800 number to call when the operating system had loaded.  He told me to call and one of his colleagues would help me through the rest of the process. After having worked with customer support from Dell, HP, IBM, Lenovo and IBM over the years, working with Apple's customer support is a breath of fresh air.

Forty five minutes later, I called Apple's support line.  During the ten minutes I was on hold, I was able to tell time machine to rebuild my system from the last backup.  When it was clear that the process was well underway, I hung up never having spoken with an Apple representative. When the rebuild process completed, I synchronized my system with the file server and found three files that hadn't been backed up by time machine.

Thanks to Justin and the fact that I keep multiple copies of everything, I'm back in business having only lost a few hours of my time. I folded up the map of Mammoth Cave and put it back into an old slash folder for future emergencies, snuffed out the Apple logo candles and reopened my plantation shutters knowing that it was going to be a good day today. Thanks Justin.

Topics: Apple, Hardware, Operating Systems, Software

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  • RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

    You should not be connected to the internet when you defrag! Had you not been connected, your defrag would not have been interrupted by Apple's update utility. Please - turn Airport off before defragging or in any other way messing with your disk structure. The same warning should apply when you are running Disk Warrior etc.
    n.silverman@...
  • You've Gotta Be Kidding...

    "So, I called the Apple support line, paid a small fee, and was connected with Justin. He was polite, friendly, spoke better English than I do (he?s from Idaho) and clearly knows a great deal about the operating system. We went down his diagnostic tree and tried different things for about 45 minutes
    Forty five minutes later, I called Apple?s support line. During the ten minutes I was on hold,"

    Paying for support, 45 minutes with no progress or success, 10 minutes on hold...

    Your idea of "Frantasctic Support" sure stinks of "haven't a clue" and fan boy blindness. This kind of support could only be loved by a mother, and you've clearly demonstrated that your IQ is more common in a box of rocks...
    Steve@...
    • RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

      @Steve@... I think you missed several of the points I was trying to make. Let me try again.

      - The support person was courteous and friendly. Other support personnel have been unfriendly and curt.

      - The support person listened to what I had to say and didn't seam to operate on the assumption that I'm an idiot. Other support personnel have not always done that. They had a script and by God they were going to follow it even if the customer had already done 3/4 of the things on that list.

      - The support person clearly knew a great deal about Mac OS X. Often other support representatives were just reading from a script and had little to know knowledge beyond that.

      Yes, I think the support was better than average.
      dkusnetzky
      • RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

        @dkusnetzky

        You do realize that many first tier support representatives risk their jobs if they deviate from the script. It speaks to corporate policy, not the person. I have had equally frustrating conversations with representatives from Toshiba, Sony and a so-called genius at an Apple store. On the other hand, I've received polite and courteous assistance from Cisco, HP and Dell.

        All it proves is good service these days is a cr@p shoot.
        Lunatic59
    • @Steve

      Just because it takes all of 30 seconds to completely erase an hard drive does not mean that is the best option. Sometimes taking the time to try and find a way to avoid the end all Erase and install is worth it. Time does not = ignorance. Unfortunately in this case the end all option was the only one. Thanks for the Nice words Dan.
      Justin@...
  • "No need to defrag" is true.

    I don't know OS X but have worked with UFS, ext2 and ext3, reiserfs and xfs. In no case has the root fs ever needed defragging even after many years of running.
    peter_erskine@...
    • often it's hard to break the cycle (defrag)

      they want to keep doing what they always have (e.g. former windows users). Learn to let go.

      Dan does the right thing re: backups which made his recovery much less painful than it is for many.

      Nice to hear a positive support story for a change.
      Richard Flude
  • You clearly have no idea what causes fragmentation. You were asking for it

    Some file systems are implemented in a way that does not produce significant fragmentation. That's the reason Linux/Unix users don't need to defrag their drives.

    You were asking for it Dan, you got what you deserved.
    OS Reload
    • RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

      @OS Reload Thank you for your assessment.
      dkusnetzky
      • You're Welcome!

        @dkusnetzky

        Next time take Apple's advice and don't defrag. You gain nothing from it.

        Hope the incident served as a lesson.
        OS Reload
  • So what will you do next Dan?

    Defrag all your flash usb and solid state drives?<br><br>Go ahead man, I bet those drives will get a nice boost from a defrag.
    OS Reload
    • RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

      @OS Reload To me, this piece is a confirmation that the snake oil finds its customers based on customers level of gullibility, not the OS they use.

      @Dan. If you <i>must</i> defragent your disks, use the best OS and the best file system the task. The disk defragmenting industry for Windows NTFS is much more mature. You are not required to render your Windows unconscious or be afraid of updates. :-&lt;g&gt;
      Earthling2
  • For the most part, not necessary...

    As others have said, defragmenting in OSX is not really necessary. Sure there are a few occasions where you might create lots of free space fragments which could cause file fragmentation (ie if you removed a lot of large files after a drive was just about full, etc...).<br><br>For OSX specific details, you can see Apple's support page on defragmentation:<br><br><a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375</a></a><br><br>I find that IF a disk becomes fragmented due to one of the few ways in which that could happen, its often faster to just do a backup/erase/restore then to do an actual defragmentation. I keep 3 backups of my system. I have a local Time Machine disk, a local full backup disk, which remains off and is only turned on when I run SuperDuper to create a copy of the disk, and a network SuperDuper image of the drive. If for some reason I feel things are slow and have convinced myself I need to defragment, I just do a new incremental backup to the local and remote full copies, and force a time machine backup. Then boot off the local copy (that was done with SuperDuper), and then just use SuperDuper off that copy back to the primary disk. This is one of the great features of running a system like OSX (or Linux, or many UNIX's in general). You can easily boot off a copy of your system whether it be usb, firewire, esata, etc... and simply copy the backup drive back to the primary.<br><br>Another thing which you might want to do when your system feels "weird" is to simple delete the system caches. Occasionally they get corrupt and can cause strange things to happen. You can either go through and remove them manually, or use a free tool like CacheOutX (<a href="http://www.trilateralsystems.com/cacheoutx/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.trilateralsystems.com/cacheoutx/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.trilateralsystems.com/cacheoutx/</a></a>). I've often found running this every few months keeps things in good shape. Note, after running it, even though not required, I'll often reboot to let things rebuild during the boot. The first boot after running it will usually take longer then normal (since the caches are no longer there, and need to be rebuilt).
    tk_77
    • RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

      @tk_77 Oh dear. This is complicated.
      Earthling2
      • RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

        @Earthling2

        I'm sure for someone trying to push a windows solution it sounds it. I also admit, I have a tendency to be wordy and make things sound more complicated then they are.

        Simply: Run App, Click Button to backup from Drive A to Drive B. Boot off Drive B. Click button to backup from Drive B to Drive A. Boot off Drive A. Done.

        Does Windows yet support booting off an external (usb or firewire) drive without having to go through a lot of hoops first? Ghost and True Image are way more complicated to create backups with then on a Mac.

        (There's also the free Carbon Copy Cloner which works just as well)
        tk_77
      • RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

        @tk_77

        [i]I'm sure for someone trying to push a windows solution it sounds it.[/i]

        I think you may be subconsciously imagining things, trying to justify your Mac purchase. :-) I didn't mention Windows. Simply stated than the procedure seems complicated. If you refer to my earlier reply that recommended Windows and NTFS, that was a joke. I tried to say that if the author wanted Windows experience, he should have used Genuine Windows. :-)

        Seriously, form all those Mac vs PC ads, I thought that Macs didn't need maintenance, that they simply worked. What I see now is that they do need it, that there are, like much with Windows, 3-rd party companies that sell these "tools", and, on top of that, the experience using these tools is inferior to <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/01/25/disk-defragmentation-background-and-engineering-the-windows-7-improvements.aspx">those built into</a> Windows 7 and require no attention from the user.

        [i]Does Windows yet support booting off an external (usb or firewire) drive without having to go through a lot of hoops first?[/i]

        Windows 7 has a good setup-and-forget backup utility. It backs up the system, too, and the user is reminded to set it up by the Action Center. To restore the entire OS from a backup and other disaster maintenance, a smaller version of the OS can be booted from the installation DVD or a USB flash drive. Search for "Windows 7 backup" and "Boot Windows from USB" if you're interested.
        Earthling2
      • RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

        @Earthling2 No it isn't. The advice is clear: "Don't worry about fragmentation with OS X". The "why" might be a bit more complicated - but questions like "why" often do lead to complex answers.
        Jeremy-UK
  • RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

    It amazes me the hate and vile comments leveled here by members of the Anti-Apple-Cabal that have serious mental issues which compel them to spew their usual "fanboy rhetoric when anything positive is posted about Apple. You think these people have absolutely nothing else to do all day then find pro-Apple articles and make warped nonsensical rants upon anyone that disagrees with them. While they share a common compulsion with their polar opposite Apple Fanboys, who rant against articles which are negative, these people are driven by hate rather than a love for a product. It's one thing to have an interest and passion in something that moves us to take action and align with others of a similar nature, that's healthy, but it's quite another to become obsessive over something you hold with great disdain and people you find pleasure in ridiculing. This obsession borders on a psychosis, a sickness, much like someone that's a sociopath running hidden behind a screen name, people who I suspect are very nice in person, but in private troll through the internet looking for that new Apple article to post in, looking for anyone saying anything even remotely positive about Apple so they can brand them a "fanboy" as if that label alone somehow invalidates anything said and and as such unworthy of critical or reasoned debate ...it's sad but all too often seen these days and today Dan you are the target.
    Jeffsters
    • RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

      @Jeffsters

      Let me first say that I am qite happy that Dan is happy about Apple support. Good work Apple!

      With regard to people's comments, peope like to compare and contrast. Here is an example from the company you love:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siSHJfPWxs8

      Enjoy.
      Earthling2
  • Dya know anything . . .

    Earthling2,

    Do you know anything about Macs? Speaking from ignorance makes you sound, well, ignorant.

    I use iDefrag every six months or so. It takes an awful lot of drive activity to significantly frag a HFS+ disk. For directory repair, I rely on DiskWarrior (though I know a lot of people swear by Drive Genius). It's not the prettiest but it's famous for its ability to rebuild (and defragment) the directory.

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