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Dan Kusnetzky, Paula Rooney and Ken Hess

Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support

By | June 26, 2010, 6:56am PDT

Summary: Apple’s customer service expert saves the day

I’ve got a little story for you today of disaster and how Apple’s customer service helped me get quickly back on line.

Defrag or not to defrag, that is the question

Although Apple tells people that Mac OS X’s journaled file system is so good that it doesn’t need defragmentation, I don’t believe it.  So, I acquired Drive Genius from Prosoft Engineering. I use that software to defragment the boot drive on a regular basis and have been happy with the overall system performance.

Booting a USB drive

Due to the fact that Mac OS X doesn’t offer some of the file system primitives found in some other operating systems, it is impossible to defragment the boot drive without booting from some other drive.  So, I built a Mac OS X image on a USB drive and loaded Drive Genius on that USB drive.

When it’s time to optimize my boot drive, I boot up the system from the USB drive and use Drive Genius to optimize the system’s hard disk. As one would expect from a product that messed around with the filesystem, Drive Genius presents an ominous warning screen before starting the optimization process.

Since my system is backed up using Mac OS X’s time machine, my files are backed up to a local file server and really important files are replicated to other machine in my local network, I’ve blithely ignore those ominous warnings.  Everything has worked just fine in the past.  Although everything has worked out time and again, I guess there’s always a first time…

Disaster strikes

This time, something unusual happened during the Drive Genius’ optimization run.  The Mac OS X system update utility unexpectedly kicked in and interrupted the Drive Genius process.  I’d never seen this happen before.  As one might expect, interrupting a disk optimization utility is bad. Drive Genius, obviously irritated by the interruption, did quite a number on my hard drive’s directory structure. No problem, I thought, I’ll just search the internet for suggestions on what to do to fix the disk structure.

Since the system was running Mac OS from the USB drive, I first tried the Disk Utility that is part of Mac OS.  No luck. The utility couldn’t verify or repair the disk structure. I tried booting the Snow Leopard installation CD. That didn’t work either. The CD wouldn’t boot. Then I tried booting the installation disk that came with the system. No joy came from that attempt either. None of the suggestions I found on various Mac OS forums helped much.

Apple’s customer service

So, I called the Apple support line, paid a small fee, and was connected with Justin. He was polite, friendly, spoke better English than I do (he’s from Idaho) and clearly knows a great deal about the operating system.  We went down his diagnostic tree and tried different things for about 45 minutes.

After closing the plantation shutters on my office window, lighting the candles having the little Apple logos and studying a map of Mammoth Cave I had laying around from playing Adventure on a DECsystem 10 years ago, we were finally able to get the Snow Leopard installation disk to boot.

Once booted, we ran the disk utility and, sure enough, the utility told us that the disk couldn’t be verified or fixed. The only choice was to erase and recreate the system disk.

I closed my eyes, asked for help form the computer gods, and clicked the button that would obliterate my hard drive directory structure, all of my applications and all of my data. In a few moments, the system was set to reload Mac OS.

Once the installation process for Mac OS was started, Justin reminded me of my incident code and give me an 800 number to call when the operating system had loaded.  He told me to call and one of his colleagues would help me through the rest of the process. After having worked with customer support from Dell, HP, IBM, Lenovo and IBM over the years, working with Apple’s customer support is a breath of fresh air.

Forty five minutes later, I called Apple’s support line.  During the ten minutes I was on hold, I was able to tell time machine to rebuild my system from the last backup.  When it was clear that the process was well underway, I hung up never having spoken with an Apple representative. When the rebuild process completed, I synchronized my system with the file server and found three files that hadn’t been backed up by time machine.

Thanks to Justin and the fact that I keep multiple copies of everything, I’m back in business having only lost a few hours of my time. I folded up the map of Mammoth Cave and put it back into an old slash folder for future emergencies, snuffed out the Apple logo candles and reopened my plantation shutters knowing that it was going to be a good day today. Thanks Justin.

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RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support
jeffmgf1 14th Jul
Where does Idaho rank? We have been living in Montana for the past 5 years and I am not supri sexy shop to find it #3 on the "worst" list. Considering a sexshopmove to Idaho to escapthe high cost of living a low income in MT. There may not be a sales tax here but they get you if you own property!
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You should not be connected to the internet when you defrag! Had you not been connected, your defrag would not have been interrupted by Apple's update utility. Please - turn Airport off before defragging or in any other way messing with your disk structure. The same warning should apply when you are running Disk Warrior etc.
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You've Gotta Be Kidding...
Steve@... 26th Jun 2010
"So, I called the Apple support line, paid a small fee, and was connected with Justin. He was polite, friendly, spoke better English than I do (he?s from Idaho) and clearly knows a great deal about the operating system. We went down his diagnostic tree and tried different things for about 45 minutes
Forty five minutes later, I called Apple?s support line. During the ten minutes I was on hold,"

Paying for support, 45 minutes with no progress or success, 10 minutes on hold...

Your idea of "Frantasctic Support" sure stinks of "haven't a clue" and fan boy blindness. This kind of support could only be loved by a mother, and you've clearly demonstrated that your IQ is more common in a box of rocks...
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@Steve@... I think you missed several of the points I was trying to make. Let me try again.

- The support person was courteous and friendly. Other support personnel have been unfriendly and curt.

- The support person listened to what I had to say and didn't seam to operate on the assumption that I'm an idiot. Other support personnel have not always done that. They had a script and by God they were going to follow it even if the customer had already done 3/4 of the things on that list.

- The support person clearly knew a great deal about Mac OS X. Often other support representatives were just reading from a script and had little to know knowledge beyond that.

Yes, I think the support was better than average.
@dkusnetzky

You do realize that many first tier support representatives risk their jobs if they deviate from the script. It speaks to corporate policy, not the person. I have had equally frustrating conversations with representatives from Toshiba, Sony and a so-called genius at an Apple store. On the other hand, I've received polite and courteous assistance from Cisco, HP and Dell.

All it proves is good service these days is a cr@p shoot.
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@Steve
Justin@... 26th Jun 2010
Just because it takes all of 30 seconds to completely erase an hard drive does not mean that is the best option. Sometimes taking the time to try and find a way to avoid the end all Erase and install is worth it. Time does not = ignorance. Unfortunately in this case the end all option was the only one. Thanks for the Nice words Dan.
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"No need to defrag" is true.
peter_erskine@... 26th Jun 2010
I don't know OS X but have worked with UFS, ext2 and ext3, reiserfs and xfs. In no case has the root fs ever needed defragging even after many years of running.
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often it's hard to break the cycle (defrag)
Richard Flude 26th Jun 2010
they want to keep doing what they always have (e.g. former windows users). Learn to let go.

Dan does the right thing re: backups which made his recovery much less painful than it is for many.

Nice to hear a positive support story for a change.
Some file systems are implemented in a way that does not produce significant fragmentation. That's the reason Linux/Unix users don't need to defrag their drives.

You were asking for it Dan, you got what you deserved.
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@OS Reload Thank you for your assessment.
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You're Welcome!
OS Reload 26th Jun 2010
@dkusnetzky

Next time take Apple's advice and don't defrag. You gain nothing from it.

Hope the incident served as a lesson.
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So what will you do next Dan?
OS Reload Updated - 26th Jun 2010
Defrag all your flash usb and solid state drives?

Go ahead man, I bet those drives will get a nice boost from a defrag.
@OS Reload To me, this piece is a confirmation that the snake oil finds its customers based on customers level of gullibility, not the OS they use.

@Dan. If you must defragent your disks, use the best OS and the best file system the task. The disk defragmenting industry for Windows NTFS is much more mature. You are not required to render your Windows unconscious or be afraid of updates. :-<g>
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For the most part, not necessary...
tk_77 Updated - 26th Jun 2010
As others have said, defragmenting in OSX is not really necessary. Sure there are a few occasions where you might create lots of free space fragments which could cause file fragmentation (ie if you removed a lot of large files after a drive was just about full, etc...).

For OSX specific details, you can see Apple's support page on defragmentation:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375

I find that IF a disk becomes fragmented due to one of the few ways in which that could happen, its often faster to just do a backup/erase/restore then to do an actual defragmentation. I keep 3 backups of my system. I have a local Time Machine disk, a local full backup disk, which remains off and is only turned on when I run SuperDuper to create a copy of the disk, and a network SuperDuper image of the drive. If for some reason I feel things are slow and have convinced myself I need to defragment, I just do a new incremental backup to the local and remote full copies, and force a time machine backup. Then boot off the local copy (that was done with SuperDuper), and then just use SuperDuper off that copy back to the primary disk. This is one of the great features of running a system like OSX (or Linux, or many UNIX's in general). You can easily boot off a copy of your system whether it be usb, firewire, esata, etc... and simply copy the backup drive back to the primary.

Another thing which you might want to do when your system feels "weird" is to simple delete the system caches. Occasionally they get corrupt and can cause strange things to happen. You can either go through and remove them manually, or use a free tool like CacheOutX ( http://www.trilateralsystems.com/cacheoutx/). I've often found running this every few months keeps things in good shape. Note, after running it, even though not required, I'll often reboot to let things rebuild during the boot. The first boot after running it will usually take longer then normal (since the caches are no longer there, and need to be rebuilt).
@tk_77 Oh dear. This is complicated.
@Earthling2

I'm sure for someone trying to push a windows solution it sounds it. I also admit, I have a tendency to be wordy and make things sound more complicated then they are.

Simply: Run App, Click Button to backup from Drive A to Drive B. Boot off Drive B. Click button to backup from Drive B to Drive A. Boot off Drive A. Done.

Does Windows yet support booting off an external (usb or firewire) drive without having to go through a lot of hoops first? Ghost and True Image are way more complicated to create backups with then on a Mac.

(There's also the free Carbon Copy Cloner which works just as well)
@tk_77

I'm sure for someone trying to push a windows solution it sounds it.

I think you may be subconsciously imagining things, trying to justify your Mac purchase. happy I didn't mention Windows. Simply stated than the procedure seems complicated. If you refer to my earlier reply that recommended Windows and NTFS, that was a joke. I tried to say that if the author wanted Windows experience, he should have used Genuine Windows. happy

Seriously, form all those Mac vs PC ads, I thought that Macs didn't need maintenance, that they simply worked. What I see now is that they do need it, that there are, like much with Windows, 3-rd party companies that sell these "tools", and, on top of that, the experience using these tools is inferior to those built into Windows 7 and require no attention from the user.

Does Windows yet support booting off an external (usb or firewire) drive without having to go through a lot of hoops first?

Windows 7 has a good setup-and-forget backup utility. It backs up the system, too, and the user is reminded to set it up by the Action Center. To restore the entire OS from a backup and other disaster maintenance, a smaller version of the OS can be booted from the installation DVD or a USB flash drive. Search for "Windows 7 backup" and "Boot Windows from USB" if you're interested.
@Earthling2 No it isn't. The advice is clear: "Don't worry about fragmentation with OS X". The "why" might be a bit more complicated - but questions like "why" often do lead to complex answers.
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It amazes me the hate and vile comments leveled here by members of the Anti-Apple-Cabal that have serious mental issues which compel them to spew their usual "fanboy rhetoric when anything positive is posted about Apple. You think these people have absolutely nothing else to do all day then find pro-Apple articles and make warped nonsensical rants upon anyone that disagrees with them. While they share a common compulsion with their polar opposite Apple Fanboys, who rant against articles which are negative, these people are driven by hate rather than a love for a product. It's one thing to have an interest and passion in something that moves us to take action and align with others of a similar nature, that's healthy, but it's quite another to become obsessive over something you hold with great disdain and people you find pleasure in ridiculing. This obsession borders on a psychosis, a sickness, much like someone that's a sociopath running hidden behind a screen name, people who I suspect are very nice in person, but in private troll through the internet looking for that new Apple article to post in, looking for anyone saying anything even remotely positive about Apple so they can brand them a "fanboy" as if that label alone somehow invalidates anything said and and as such unworthy of critical or reasoned debate ...it's sad but all too often seen these days and today Dan you are the target.
@Jeffsters

Let me first say that I am qite happy that Dan is happy about Apple support. Good work Apple!

With regard to people's comments, peope like to compare and contrast. Here is an example from the company you love:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siSHJfPWxs8

Enjoy.
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Dya know anything . . .
ex2bot 26th Jun 2010
Earthling2,

Do you know anything about Macs? Speaking from ignorance makes you sound, well, ignorant.

I use iDefrag every six months or so. It takes an awful lot of drive activity to significantly frag a HFS+ disk. For directory repair, I rely on DiskWarrior (though I know a lot of people swear by Drive Genius). It's not the prettiest but it's famous for its ability to rebuild (and defragment) the directory.

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@ex2bot

All I know about Macs comes from Mac vs PC advertisements. happy

What's defragmentation? Is this a thing other OSes take care of automatically? happy
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@Earthling2 DBAA
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I don't quite understand why software update interrupted anything. When my software update pops onscreen, I have to tell it to proceed. It never just starts on its own. Are you saying that just the SU pop-up alone corrupted the defrag process? That's not good at all. I've used Drive Genius a few times on my Macs and I guess I'm fortunate that nothing like that happened to me.

What you should do is turn off automatic checking and automatic downloading of software updates. That way it will never happen to you in the future. Download updates manually at your own leisure.
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What if this was Windows?
Was doing stuff on my Windows computer yesterday and got a blue screen. When it rebooted, I got a bunch of errors and Windows wouldn't start. I called Microsoft and they demanded payment before they would help. We spent 45 minutes on the phone but in the end, MS support told me to wipe the drive and reinstall. I paid for that advice? So I reinstalled Windows and restored my data from the last backup. This glitch cost me hours of my time. FU Gates, I hate M$ Winblowz!!! I'm switching to a Mac and this will never happen again.

Cue the double standards...
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RE: Drive Genius Disaster and Apple's Frantasic Support
tonymcs@... Updated - 27th Jun 2010
@NonZealot

Well I thought it was hilarious - well done

I presume the next level of Genius support is instructions on how to buy a new one.

Ironically, had to do much the same the other day. Win 7 just wouldn't boot, so went to the usual forums for help. Went through the usual Windows repair tools. No luck at all as in the end it appeared to be my hard drive acting up. Advised myself that it was time to start again. Used the opportunity to move to 64 bit as I'd only been using 32 on my quad core, shifted in a new drive, installed and now I'm enjoying 64 bit Win 7.

Every cloud has a silver lining wink
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I wonder if Drive Genius incorporates some sort of checkdisk utility, hence the reason you can't do it on a "live" drive.

I think windows users have a slight advantage here in that even for checkdisk, windows boots into NT mode (note not WIN mode) and runs the operation safely without fear of being interrupted by other programs. Only after does the boot continue to W32/64 and the regular windows environment.
If there is a problem with "unrepairable" disk directory corruption, I would recommend that you try DiskWarrior before anything else. If DiskWarrior can't recover your files, nothing else will.

Secondly, System Update does interfere with or shut down a running process unless the user tells it to proceed and supplies an administrator password. This alleged disaster scenario does not pass the smell test. It is more likely that a system crash occurred due to a hardware error or lack of sufficient free space on the boot drive. If a disk is not healthy, defragging will certainly cause problems. What does the S.M.A.R.T. status say about the drive health? Does the Drive Genius diagnostic suite find any problems with the drive?

A properly designed defrag program will be able to recover from an unexpected shutdown due to power failure or system crash. What claims does the Drive Genius documentation make about its robustness?

I say leave the drive alone. Any time saved by the disk "optimization" is more than offset by the time it takes to do the defrag.
Where does Idaho rank? We have been living in Montana for the past 5 years and I am not supri sexy shop to find it #3 on the "worst" list. Considering a sexshopmove to Idaho to escapthe high cost of living a low income in MT. There may not be a sales tax here but they get you if you own property!

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