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Virtually Speaking

Dan Kusnetzky, Paula Rooney and Ken Hess

I hate Unity. I hate GNOME. I hate Windows 8. The ultimate desktop search continues.

By | November 8, 2011, 10:03am PST

Summary: What’s your next desktop OS or desktop manager going to look like? Have you been sucked into the dumbed-down, new-fangled garbage floating your way or are you going retro?

I’ve complained for years that since the release of Windows 95 that operating systems have stagnated and have all converged on that same look and feel that began the Great Desktop Revolution way back in 1995. I observed a nasty trend in 1996, when I first saw FVWM95. It was cute and clever and it was Linux with that same great Windows 95 theme going on. Though it took some getting used to, I was a relatively early adopter of Windows 95–yes, before Microsoft fixed it with Windows 95B.

But, still somehow I wanted Linux to be different and better than its arch nemesis from the great NorthWest. Linux should be better. It should look better, respond better, perform better and be better because it’s free. I’m finding, however, that even free isn’t good enough because I’m still in search of the ultimate desktop.

Words to Unity

I’m not exactly sure how Canonical can defend Unity–athough, I’ve seen them try–and I’m not sure how anyone can use it. It takes me ten minutes to find my Terminal every time I try to find it. Finally, I added it to that goofy hanging chad thingy on the left side of my screen. I can’t efficiently find anything using it. I uninstalled it and installed GNOME in its place. Imagine my shock when I looked at GNOME 3.x for the first time. I went into a fit of cussing and throwing that made me look like a spoiled toddler.

I am spoiled–spoiled by “GNOME Classic.” Apparently, if I like anything that’s works well, it’s now classic, retro or my favorite, legacy. I love (and by love, I mean hate) it when people refer to legacy this and legacy that. Legacy? It makes me ill to hear someone call something legacy that’s barely five years old.

I digress. Sorry, sometimes my rants diverge like that. It’s a combination of poor segue planning and my own battle with ADD.

Anyway, I hate Unity. I can’t find anything without having to page through every application on my system and it just feels clunky. A desktop manager should do two things: Provide a graphical background on which to work with applications and be easy to use–transparent, in fact.

I want to be able to sit down at my computer and launch any application within two or three seconds. I don’t want to search for anything unless I’m purposely searching for it.

Unity is a big flop. I hope it didn’t take a lot of effort to develop because it sucks. And, I’m trying desperately hard to express my opinion of it without using expletives.

Go Home GNOME

The new GNOME isn’t it. In fact, my Linux systems have all been reverted back to GNOME Classic as they’re calling now. Classic? Really? Just a month or so ago, it was just GNOME and I liked it. I liked it fine. It is clean, fast, efficient…and OK, it’s a little Windowsy but still better than KDE 4.x. And, the hate for KDE 4.x comes from a guy who used to love KDE. I used it instead of GNOME. GNOME seemed a little buggy in its earlier iterations.

But, when KDE made the great switch to widget weirdness, I said, “Nope, no way. I have a choice. I’m moving to GNOME.” I did and I’ve never looked back. Until now, that is.

I’m at a crossroads in my decision about a desktop manager, GUI, window manager or whatever you want to call it. I hate the new GNOME. It’s cheesy and I can’t find stuff. It’s as if the developers took Unity to be the new Windows 95 and tried to copy its suckiness into what used to be a cool desktop manager.

Unity and GNOME 3.x both fail for me.

Windows 8

I thought when Microsoft got rid of its DOS-based operating system in favor of its NT-based flavor that the company had begun a new life. I was happy with Windows XP and think that might go down in history as one of the greatest desktop operating systems ever. Vista was a major fail. Windows 7 has somewhat redeemed Microsoft. It has a few quirks that I can’t get used to like having to reinstall my printer driver every few days. It gets old. Rebooting for every update gets a little irritating. But, overall, Windows 7 is cool. Well, with the exception of Windows 7 Starter Edition, that is. It’s a waste of media, time and disk space.

Windows 8 is a whole new animal that’s really a vegetable. I hate it. I hate the look with all those ridiculously large icon things that you have to swipe through. It looks like it was designed for preschoolers not adults and certainly not for technically savvy folks like you and me.

I know it’s in beta or alpha or whatever–blah, blah, blah–it’s crap. I won’t be using it. Oh sure, most of the goodies are still somewhere on the disk but finding them can be a real challenge.

What’s with the three new desktop systems I’ve described here? Is the new thing to make you search endlessly for your applications and things you work with? I don’t want to do that. I want to know where my programs are. I want to know where my documents are. I want to be able to work efficiently. And, searching through a bunch of flippy, gloppy icons is not my idea of efficient.

Who’s designing this stuff? Monkeys? Aliens? Vampires?

How can you take something that works and then make it not work? GNOME, Unity and Windows 8–I won’t use you. Any of you. Ever. I’d rather use TWM or the Chrome OS. And, I kind of hate both of those too.

Yes, I know there’s Mac OS X. I’m reluctantly leaning in that direction. Unfortunately, it’s so expensive to try anything Apple that I’d hate to find out that I hate Mac OS X too after making the investment.

Maybe I’ll give LXDE a try again. Hopefully, it’s less buggy than it was a couple of years ago when I installed it the first time. Whatever I try, I’ll first put it in a VM and give it a good test run. If it won’t install into a VM, forget it. I won’t use it either.

I hope that by the time my current computer draws its last Watt that someone will have come up with something usable, efficient and not crappy. I don’t like the dumbed-down garbage that they’re tossing my way. If you’re trying to appeal to a wider audience, don’t. If people are too dumb to use a computer, then so be it. Don’t waste everyone’s time on something that looks like it should be teaching babies to speak and spell.

What do you use? What will you use in the next two years? Are you in the mood to change? What do you think of Unity, the new GNOME and Windows 8? Talk back and let me know.

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Kenneth 'Ken' Hess is a full-time Windows and Linux system administrator with over 15 years of experience with Mac, Linux, UNIX, and Windows systems in large multi-data center environments.

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Ken Hess

Kenneth 'Ken' Hess is a full-time Windows and Linux system administrator with over 15 years of experience with Mac, Linux, UNIX, and Windows systems in large multi-data center environments.

Ken writes on a variety of topics including interoperability, virtualization, data center operations, databases, and open source software. He has written and co-written books on Linux, databases, and virtualization. He currently writes a System Administration column for Linux Magazine and is a regular contributor to Linux User & Developer magazine, ServerWatch.com's Trends and InfoStor. He often contributes to other online and print publications as well.

His first computer was a Commodore VIC-20, which he purchased because William Shatner was in the commercials.

In his limited spare time, Ken enjoys painting, drawing, and flinging angry birds at fortified pigs.

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Replaced Unity with Cinnamon and Docky
chuckgspins 4 days ago
I hated Unity after having to upgrade from Maverick Meerkat. I installed Cinnamon and Docky on Ubuntu 12.04, and it feels more like my old desktop with the classic Gnome feel with a dock.
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Linux Mint is the new Ubuntu.
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate 8th Nov
At least they are making an attempt to backport the classic Gnome 2.32 feature set into Mate and into the Gnome Shell Extensions for version 12.

In the meantime, I am trying to download to a pendrive chakra (a Distro from Spain) which purports to have the option to use Trinity (a fork of KDE 3.5.x).

P.S.
I hate KDE4 like the heat of a Nova.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate Err, what about #! (CrunchBang)? Sure I'd never install it on my mother's computer - but it is "easy" (assuming you grew up on a PDP-11... yes, I'm THAT old).
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Who ever said you can't go home?
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate 8th Nov
@jeremychappell

fyi
h-t-t-p://technorati.com/technology/article/debian-beckons-ubuntu-refugees-to-come/
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#!'s UI is Openbox
hrlngrv@... 26th Mar
And Openbox isn't limited to #!.

That's the huge advantage to Linux: choice. Unfortunately, most people aren't prepared for choice.
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate
I had a Chevy Nova. They weren't that hot.
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Well said...
devlin_X 15th Nov
@Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate

Ah, Dietrich, I've been away for quite some time but glad to see you are still here. We are in the same boat when it comes to desktops. I abandoned KDE upon the forced upgrade to 4.x to Gnome which I reluctantly moved too, then ugh Unity..., then 3.2... wtf are they thinking?

I've noticed Windows had tried starting with Vista to be like OSX, KDE tried becoming Windows, and Gnome now is trying to be Vista meets OS X.

I tried LXDE a couple of years ago but was about as user friendly as XFCE at the time when it came to talioring the system using the GUI, lets hope they've improved or I'm screwed since I suck at the CLI, I've hit my 40's and my memory has hit the toilet.

It looks like it is time to surf the available desktops again..... I feel bad for the Windows users who have no option to change desktops.

Hey, where are the old GeoWorks developers? ;-}
Here's a simple solution. If you don't like an upgrade of a favorite Linux distro, don't use it.
@roger that
Not so fast - ditching a distro because of GUI - doesn't work for most people. I'm very comfortable with RedHat base distros, like Fedora, i like what they're doing - aside from move to Gnome 3. So, i would like to stay with the distro (and refuse to learn yet another linux variant) - but won't be using Gnome 3.
So far, i only see 2 choices - LXDE and XFCE - not happy with either, but they're bearable.
Problem is - i like to stay with default GUI of my distro: it receives more attention in development, admin tools are more polished, etc.
Bottom line - i'll be very annoyed in the near future one way or another... and what you get when your sysadmin is annoyed?
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SL6/CentOS6 for now
bjrosen@... 26th Mar
I've been a Redhat/Fedora user since the late 90s but Gnome3 has prevented me from upgrading to F15 or F16. I've tried XFCE and Cinnamon but neither is a replacement for Gnome2 although XFCE is almost good enough. For now I've moved all of my systems to Scientific Linux 6.2. RHEL6/SL6/CentOS6 will be supporting Gnome2 for the next 10 years, the only problem is that RHEL does a lousy job of supporting new hardware because the kernel is upgraded so slowly. However RHEL6/SL6/CentOS6 will provide a couple of years of breathing room until a solution is found for the Gnome disaster.
Ken, when you start lumping Linux customization as a bad thing (as in Windows),
it's time to take a nap.
@Return_of_the_jedi

Sorry, what? I just woke up.
@khess

Great, now you are awake, you might like to take the whiny tone out of the article.

As for Windows 8 - get used to it. WP7 is already vastly superior to the grid of static icons used by just about every other OS - why not get a Windows Phone and you may even see the benefit of it.

Future UIs will be gesture/touch/voice/kb/mouse and the Win 8 interface supports all of them. What you dismiss so casually is based on a lot of research and design and the work of a large number of people who (dare I say it) have a lot more experience in designing UIs than you.

I see most of your experience is in large data centers - you would probably be happier with a teletype.
@khess Hey... I just wanted to comment that you actually couldn't say a thing about Windows 8 that is bad (aside it isn't free).

"It looks like it was designed for preschoolers not adults"
Well, for me it looks like it was designed to simplify the things, whether you're child or adult the Metro UI gives a bit more of practicality on the most common tasks and the interaction between different applications was greatly improved (you can see the splitting of the screen between two [or more?] apps in Win8 as the direct successor of Aero Snap and copy and paste killer in some situations).

It has both the desktop UI similar to Win7's and the new Metro interface so there's no bad point. How the ribbon interface will please you or not is yet to be seen though.
@Return_of_the_jedi

Umm, Windows8 is a Unity like move. Not sure why MS aped Unity and then made it worse, but they did. So it is a valid comparison.
Wow... this post sounds like pre-schooler's temper tantrum.
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Maybe you are experiencing auditory hallucinations? Yes?
Dietrich T. Schmitz * Your Linux Advocate 8th Nov
@ccrockett@... :/
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falling over
mediumcool Updated - 8th Nov
@ccrockett@...

Love this bit:
Yes, I know there’s Mac OS X. I’m reluctantly leaning in that direction. Unfortunately, its so expensive to try anything Apple that I???d hate to find out that I hate Mac OS X too after making the investment.

Reluctant leaning? Oh No! The horror! The horror!
@ccrockett@... I agree. These spoiled brat attention ****** are pissing me off. Get a life you losers.
@tuxr99 why, because you're a silly little girl who _always_ goes in the direction of the shiniest lipstick?
@ccrockett@... and you're a phony! unity dies suck, too, just like you.
That's right said. I believe that the path of Unity and GNOME - a failure.
Oh, how I loved and still love the interface Windows XP. Seeing the Metro UI for the first time - I just hated it.
On a Linux system, I have to use Unity, I think he's slightly better than Gnome 3.
Of course had to do many things to begin to use it in any way, for example, to set the taskbar.
In the next two years, I'll use Windows 7 and wait worthy alternative.
Correctly noticed about Mac OS X.
Here is a very good suggestion for those who dislike Unity & for Ubuntu users who liked the 'good old' Ubuntu: Install Cairo / AWN Dock

Ubuntu 11.10 + Cairo / AWN Dock = Awesome!

This way you have the eye candy of Unity & Cairo Dock. I find Cairo Dock has some functionality & accessibility that has yet to come to Unity.

??I run it on Unity & am very pleased.

I have installed Compiz Config Settings Manager & Selected "Autohide" in the 'Hide Launcher' option.

So when the computer boots you only see the Cairo Dock. But Unity is always there when you need it (Mouse over Left border of the screen).

In fact, some "Themes" in Cairo are like the screen shots I saw when I Googled images of Gnome 3. (Clock on the top & Center).

Another solution I got thanks to Jo-Erlend Schinstad: ???However, if you just want a window switcher at the bottom of the screen, then you can easily get that with Unity. We have several panels to choose from, like xfce4-panel, which you can install by following this link: http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/xfce4-panel. When it is installed, you can run it by pressing alt+f2 and typing xfce4-panel. If you want to keep using it, then you???ll want to add that command to your startup applications. If you want to see a screenshot, here you go:http://ubuntuone.com/0X1JuF6HRTwEb5U1JyIk1D
. As you can see, it???s perfectly possible and easy to have both.???
I prefer KDE on Ubuntu - not Kubuntu.
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I switched to Xubuntu 11.10 and never looked back. What a relief that was.... happy

Tips for Xubuntu:
http://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/xubuntu
@pjotr123

Xubuntu, Lubuntu or Kubuntu for the win.

I only wish Windows 8 has similar choices for the front end, cuz a smartphone interface my twin 28" 1900*1200 screens is annoying as hell, it is not ergonomic, and it just doesn't work very well. MS just made the same mistakes as Gnome and Canonical. Tuning your desktop UI for a handheld device and then rescaling it back up doesn't work well. Although with MS you would figure they would have learned their lesson with scaling the desktop UI down back with WinCE and WinMobe. It doesn't work in either direction guys (MS, Gnome and Canonical all three).
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FYI - WinCE and WinMob
Traxxion 26th Mar
were perfectly fine LONG before others even figured out that you could make a mobile OS
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So buy a used Mac!
pjs_boston 8th Nov
If price is an issue, buy a used Mac. There is a thriving resale market for Apple products.
Wow, that's a lot of 'hate' for someone who has a lot of choice. Nice pointless rant, I definitely wasted my time reading it :/
@nizzlebean

The choices are narrowing quickly as told in my rant.
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What about Trinity?
nilotpal_c 8th Nov
If everything goes downhill, I do hope Trinity will somehow survive.
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I actually like XFCE
gppg 8th Nov
I like XFCE for some of my Linux installs, simple, lightweight. When all I need is browsing and LibreOffice, its Xubuntu, or similar.
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I switched to Xfce from Gnome starting with Debian Lenny (early 2009) and now run it on my Debian Squeeze systems. Xfce is more minimalistic than either Gnome or KDE, but still offers good functionality and is quite easy to use and configure. I have no current plans to switch from Xfce for my Debian desktops.

Windows 8? Am currently quite happy with my Windows XP Pro SP3 and Vista SP2 systems. When XP is EOL's in 2014, I'll probably buy a refurbished or redistributed PC with a Windows 7 'downgrade'.
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You can't watch this
Robert Hahn 8th Nov
They have to do something about the fact that everyone is getting more stupider, to the point that people really say things like "more stupider."

I just got a new Logitech universal remote. It's the Unity of remote controls. The buttons for the TV, the cable box, the sound bar, etc. are all hidden deep within layers of menus. Instead there's a single button marked "Watch TV" made especially for people who are more stupider.

Push the button, and it's supposed to turn on the TV, the cable box, and the sound bar, plus turn the DVD off and set the TV to HDMI. It can do this because it remembers whether any of these devices are already on from the last time you pushed a button.

Except that SWMBO used the FIOS remote to turn off the TV and the cable box, while leaving the sound bar on because the FIOS remote doesn't know about the sound bar. So now when I push "Watch TV" the Logitech turns the soundbar off while leaving the TV off because it thinks it's still on from the last time.

I might go onto eBay and get one of Wozniak's remotes from the 1980's. That's when the people were expected to be 'more smarter' than the %^&* machines.
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Windows 8 Hatin'
DreyerSmit 8th Nov
I just did a small test on my Windows 8 machine. How fast is it to get into Windows Explorer. Just as I suspected, one click.
How fast can you get to an application you're looking for. Well type it and oh dear, it shows up.

People who bash Windows 8, hated it before they started using it. Its like going into your local KFC already hating everything on the menu and blaming KFC for their incompetence.

Windows 8 made my PC:
1: Faster
2: Easier to use
3: Prettier
4: And I can use the fast boot feature as a party trick.
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@DreyerSmit
Getting into Windows Explorer in one click, typing in an application and it shows up...all have been available since what, Windows 95? Wow...progress.
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@DreyerSmit
Getting into Windows Explorer in one click, typing in an application and it shows up...all have been available since what, Windows 95? Wow...progress.
@DreyerSmit

I've got apps I don't use very often. Typing "I don't remember" into the search doesn't help... I've used Win8 and Unity quite a bit, and both suffer from the same issues, only Win8 is suffering much worse. Unity works great on a netbook, which is it's original design, and Win8 UI looks like it'll be good on a phone and tablet, which is where it was designed to be. The desktop space is a different animal altogether.
@DreyerSmit : Cool post man. +10
"It takes me ten minutes to find my Terminal every time I try to find it."

They're not doing a good enough job hiding it then :P. Seriously, how long have we been doing GUIs, and you're still wanting to use a command line?

"I went into a fit of cussing and throwing that made me look like a spoiled toddler."

And apparently decided to take the fit online and continue being a spoiled toddler.

"A desktop manager should do two things: Provide a graphical background on which to work with applications and be easy to usetransparent, in fact."

Agreed. And that's where I see things heading. An OS is plumbing and an application launcher, and that's it. That's all it needs to be. We don't need bars and menus all over the place.

"It has a few quirks that I cant get used to like having to reinstall my printer driver every few days."

Umm, you seem to be the exception, not the rule. If you need to reinstall your printer every few days, something is very, very wrong with your system.

"It looks like it was designed for preschoolers not adults and certainly not for technically savvy folks like you and me."

If the only complaint you have against the OS is aesthetics, I'd say it's doing fine. Replace the wallpaper if it bugs you so much.

"I know its in beta or alpha or whateverblah, blah, blahits crap."

Question: Is there something other than aesthetics you have an issue with? Because you're being adamant about it being "crap" before it's even released.

"I want to know where my programs are."

Agreed. And that's why I'm liking the direction Windows 8 is going. Everything is just there, in front of you. No having to go through menus or whatnot to find it.

"I want to know where my documents are."

Agreed. It appears that we're headed towards documents having a strong connection with applications, so you can find them without having to search an increasingly complex file system.

"If youre trying to appeal to a wider audience, dont. If people are too dumb to use a computer, then so be it. Dont waste everyones time on something that looks like it should be teaching babies to speak and spell."

Sorry, but they ARE trying to reach a wide audience. The purpose of an OS is NOT to appeal to an ivory tower elite. We're in an era where everybody is expected to be able to use a computer, and I don't think it's ever going to go away.

Ultimately, an OS is plumbing and a program launcher. That's it. Regular users shouldn't have to worry about the internals or reprogramming it. We can supply special tools for power users and developers.
@CobraA1 From your comments, I see you are an asshat.
@timspublic1@... And from your comment, I'd say you're also one =). Join the club :P.

I think my post was actually fairly balanced - while I had my disagreements, I also had some agreement with him. I don't think it was a total "asshat" post.
Here is what you should do - Go to Apple store and try out Lion. You might like the launch pad, full screen apps, gestures to switch between apps, etc, etc, etc... If you do like it, buy one and try for 14 days. If you did not like it, return it!
Mr. Hess seems to have missed the main idea in a lot of recent desktop interfaces, one that has been mentioned at least once here on ZDNet because I hadn't considered it until then. This main idea made me really like Unity a lot more than Gnome, and made me appreciate Windows a bit more than I did previously. That main idea is to press the window button (it's called the Super button on the distro's) and then start typing the name of your application.

In Windows 7 the command prompt is 4 keystrokes away:
Windows, c, o, Enter

In Unity the terminal is by default only 3 keystrokes away:
Super, t, Enter

It's faster than going to grab the mouse and click on the start button. I hope that helps Mr. Hess understand what's going on with these interfaces, and maybe with that perspective he'll paradigm shift into a new appreciation for where the developers are going.
@SeanBlader So, in order for the morons to be able to use a PC I'm supposed to memorize the names of all my programs. What was wrong with a simple menu? Too complicated?
@timspublic1 If you're a moron, maybe you should stick to something more consumption based than authoring based, like an iPad, or a TV. You know those computers with their hundred buttons how will you ever possibly figure out which one to press next!? I have over 120 items in my start menu, I don't think a moron would call that simple.
And if you must try MacOS X, the cheapest route (without a risk of very expensive regrets) is buying used -- the Core 2 Duo machines of even a few years ago support the latest software -- and, once you've had your fill, liquidating the equipment via eBay. Effectively you're just renting.
THANK YOU! For saying exactly what I've been saying. The menu works! We all know where to find things, until some asshat changes the name and puts it somewhere new (I'm talking to you MS). Crappy huge f'ing icons all over my screen...bite me!

I hate Unity. Completely and utterly, there is no redeeming property to it. It's a moron interface at best. Sure if you use two programs you might find it helpful, but as the author noted...there are other programs on most people's PC's...if I have to search for the damn things I'll just boot Windows.

Quit making me search for basic functions and my programs. Quit making me search for my doc's...or anything else. This interface is CRAP!

You really should have stopped when it was working.
@timspublic1@...
Can't agree more. They all must have got a brain epidemic.
I think you should try it out more. It is simple to use and searches could be done just by typing what you want one or two letters and it is in right there. I love Windows 8 it is better then Windows 7 and that is much better than XP. Windows XP spent too much time on searching for me but I thought it was good until I ended up with Windows 7. I have used them all. As far as Linux goes Ubuntu is better than XP. Don't be afaid of change you may find it is better.
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I hated Unity after having to upgrade from Maverick Meerkat. I installed Cinnamon and Docky on Ubuntu 12.04, and it feels more like my old desktop with the classic Gnome feel with a dock.

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