What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

Summary: Apple's MacOS Lion upgrade appears to have downgraded my ability to back up my files. Should I dump it and go back to Snow Leapord?

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I downloaded and installed MacOS Lion on a couple of my production systems and have been mostly happy with the performance. Apple decided to make a few changes to the user interface that have made the system harder to use as a platform for web browsing and replaced the Samba file server software with something of Apple's own creation.

I'm able to deal with the user interface changes even though it causes me to grumble whenever I want to back up a page on the web.

Dropping Samba, however, has caused me no end of trouble. All of my production systems used to connect to a Dlink file server using the server message block (SMB) protocol to back up and share files with one another. The Apple systems accomplished this feat using Samba. Apple's own file server software won't connect with the device and tells me that it isn't supported.

Since Lion appears not to properly support SMB and I need to back up my files to the file server, I'm faced with the choice of dumping Lion and reloading Snow Leopard or figuring out how to make Lion work with the SMB-based file server. What do you think I should do?

Topics: Software, Apple, Operating Systems

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Daniel Kusnetzky, a reformed software engineer and product manager, founded Kusnetzky Group LLC in 2006. He's literally written the book on virtualization and often comments on cloud computing, mobility and systems software. In his spare time, he's also the managing partner of Lux Sonus LLC, an investment firm.

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  • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

    No brainer, find a new storage solution, why would you want on premise storage anyway, much more resilient & secure in the cloud. Also being stuck on an out of date OS for the sake of a piece of hardware is silly.
    APACloud
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      @CloudinOz [i]why would you want on premise storage anyway[/i]

      Because I [i]still[/i] don't trust the cloud.
      Badgered
    • How about uploading a file of 700MB to cloud?

      @CloudinOz
      Now we talk resilient.
      ZenithY
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      @CloudinOz

      As if backing up to cloud services is a very bright idea.. I always have to laugh a bit at the cloud people. Tell me how I am going to make daily backups of say half a terra to the cloud with say a 25 mbit connection ? You guessed it, I will need to change the frequency to once in every three days give or take. Not to mention the privacy and security issues that are clearly aligned with cloud solutions, look at the recent dropbox messup or Google's terms of service.

      I am not aware of Lion causing problems with smb networking, it seems to be working fine with my Windows DC. Allthough Apple was never able to supply Leopard or Snow Leopard with a properly working smb implementation that support smb packet signing, which meant I needed to make adjustments to dc security.
      sjaak327
    • 8TB of data, 50Mbps of bandwidth, 150GB/mo cap = do the math

      @CloudinOz

      I think you need to get your head out of the clouds and back to reality for a bit. :)
      TheWerewolf
  • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

    @toddybottom How about something constructive rather than just an Anti-Apple Troll?
    Rick_Kl
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      @Rick_Kl Lololol install Linux? =D
      Imrhien
    • Telling people to switch to a different OS is being a troll?

      @Rick_Kl
      I didn't realize that. Good to know.

      Regardless, the author asked a question and I answered it.

      And I can't be anti-Apple. I own 3 Apple products and I like them all. I am "anti-" OS X because it is a terrible OS but just because I don't like 1 product from a company doesn't mean that I'm "anti" that company. Or do you disagree? Unless someone literally loves every single product Apple has ever made, you believe that they are anti-Apple?

      Sounds a bit fanboyish to me. Sounds a LOT fanboyish to me.
      toddybottom
    • Message has been deleted.

      William Farrell
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      @Rick_Kl - when you uninstall IE, you uninstall the IE executable and, thus uninstall IE. You don't uninstall the IE HTML rendering surface and HTTP/S protocol handlers since they are required by many features of Windows and many 3rd party products.

      But you said it right earlier - if OSX isn't doing what Daniel needs, then he should select a product that will - either a SMB stack that works, or an OS that supports his needs.
      bitcrazed
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      @bitcrazed [But you said it right earlier - if OSX isn't doing what Daniel needs, then he should select a product that will - either a SMB stack that works, or an OS that supports his needs.] And I have no problem with that line of thinking. One should always choose the tools that suit their needs. What I have a problem with is when a person feels they are so superior to everyone else that their opinion is the only one that counts. I personally do not prefer Windows 7, but I have no problem with others liking it. Toddybottom (NonZealot) feels that they are the authority on Operating Systems, and in their opinion nothing compares to Windows.
      Rick_Kl
  • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

    @toddybottom [ I am "anti-" OS X because it is a terrible OS but just because I don't like 1 product from a company doesn't mean that I'm "anti" that company.] Stating that one should dump OS X all together is the typical call of the Windows Zealot. In my opinion OS X is not perfect, but it does what I ask it to do quite well. For someone that claims to have multiple Apple products, I find it hard for you to say they suck so much, why don?t you own a Windows phone, a Windows Tablet and a Windows (whatever the third product is)?
    Rick_Kl
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      @Rick_Kl
      "Stating that one should dump OS X all together is the typical call of the Windows Zealot."

      Actually, I was making fun of the Apple zealots because all they seem to do is yell "switch to Mac" over and over again. But you've just admitted that they are all trolls so that's good. I'll remember you said that.

      "I find it hard for you to say they suck so much"

      Again this very odd (and unique to Apple fanboys) belief that you must either love every product a company makes or you must hate every product a company makes. It is impossible for your little fanboyish mind to comprehend anyone who might like some products and not like other products, even if they are made by the same company.

      Let me ask you point blank: do you love every single product that Apple makes? If yes then wow, I'm impressed at how dedicated you are. If you don't love every single product that Apple makes then I'm going to have to challenge you on why you don't own a Windows phone, a Windows Tablet, and a Windows (whatever the third product is).

      I will still answer your question though. I own an iPhone because it is the best overall smartphone. I own an iPad because it is the best overall tablet. I own a MacBook because it is the best overall laptop (or it was back when I bought it, I would buy a MacBook Air if I were buying a new laptop). I own Windows 7 because it is the best overall OS.

      Hopefully I've simplified my explanation so that even someone like you can understand it.
      toddybottom
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      @toddybottom You must be really confused, I am not a fanboy, just because I do not think that Windows is the greatest. I prefer Photoshop for image editing, I actually like Firefox, and while I do not find it perfect I prefer iTunes to Windows Media player (or whatever it is called these days). I actually like my Playstation 3, for reasons that you might not understand. But it does more than one thing well (think Blu-Ray player/game console). I do not own an iPad, an iPhone, not do I own an Apple TV of any sort. I do byproducts that fit with what intend to do with them. But I have at least tried other choices at one time. I do not like the fact that Microsoft like to tell me what I can do with an OS, but that is my own personal beef with them. I do not like that I cannot delete unwanted add ons (IE, WMP, etc.) At least with OS X these things can be deleted.
      Rick_Kl
    • You are one brazen individual

      @Rick_Kl
      So it is okay for you to not like all Apple products but it isn't okay for me? What planet do you live on?

      Tell you what. I've now dealt with your stupidity on several threads. Come back when you are ready to be an adult. Until then, shut up.
      toddybottom
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      @toddybottom I own exactly three products from Apple. A MacBook Pro, an iPod, and an Airport extreme. I have no need for an iPad, as I have an iPod. I see no value in the Apple TV (as it stands), and I really only need one computer (which the MacBook Pro fits the bill quite nicely). I got the iPod with the MacBook Pro as part of a promotion, and was able to use my college ID to get it at the educational price (10% off). I do not have a smartphone at this current time, as I have not found myself wanting one, but that could change. I am not a big fan of the iMac, but I can see the use for one, for say my parents, as they would never upgrade it. I have even told a few friends not to switch, due to software requirements. I think the biggest barrier is software cost when switching platforms. for me to switch I would need to replace almost $2,500 in software, which would drive the cost of buying a Windows notebook up by $2,500. I frankly paid less than that for the MacBook Pro (mid 2010 15.4 inch 2.66 GHz) + a 32 GB iPod Touch. I now plenty of people that use Windows, and are quite happy. I just prefer to use OS X.
      Rick_Kl
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      @Rick_Kl,
      "I do not like the fact that Microsoft like to tell me what I can do with an OS, but that is my own personal beef with them. I do not like that I cannot delete unwanted add ons (IE, WMP, etc.) At least with OS X these things can be deleted."
      FYI, you can uninstall IE and WMP from Windows 7. Second, you don't like MS because they tell you what to do with Windows. Didn't the same applies to Apple? For example, can I install Mac OS on the PC of my choice? No, because the Mac OS EULA prohibit installing Mac OS on non Apple hardware. So it looks like both companies have their respective restrictions for their products.
      dvm
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      @Rick_Kl <i>I own exactly three products from Apple.</i><br><br>Um.. ok.. but that wasn't his point. You accused him of being a Anti-Apple Troll simply because he didn't like OS X. I'd think instead of typing around the subject, you should just apologize and be done with the thread.<br><br><i>I do not like the fact that Microsoft like to tell me what I can do with an OS, but that is my own personal beef with them.</i><br><br>Really? Which company won't let you install their OS on just any piece of hardware?
      Badgered
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      dvm: [FYI, you can uninstall IE and WMP from Windows 7] hiding access to components of an OS is not the same as deleting them. I have heard the argument that with todays Hard Drives having such large capacities, the need to conserve space is not what it used to be (and I remember when a 20 MB Hard drive was considered big). But the fact remains that if I am not allowed to remove things i will not use, then I do not have control over what is on my hard drive.
      @Badgered: toddy bottom claims to have Apple products, yet speaks out against them on a regular basis. This character claims to have an iPhone, yet also claims that Windows Phone is so superior. Claims to have an iPad, but says it pales in comparison to Windows 7 on a tablet. Says they he/she has a MacBook Pro, but it is not a good computer because it has OS X on it. Are you starting to see a pattern?
      Rick_Kl
    • RE: What do you think? Should I dump MacOS Lion?

      @Rick_Kl,<br>"hiding access to components of an OS is not the same as deleting them."<br>
      Here is some info from Wikipedia,<br>"Dependencies such as the Trident layout engine are not removed through this process, but the Internet Explorer executable (iexplore.exe) is removed without harming any other Windows components, thus preventing Internet Explorer itself from running."

      So it looks like the IE executable is completely removed from the system, same as WMP.

      http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/what-happens-if-I-turn-off-windows-media-player
      dvm