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Dan Kusnetzky, Paula Rooney and Ken Hess

Yes, desktop computing has failed but there's a solution

By | September 21, 2011, 3:30am PDT

Summary: Sometimes you have to beat a dead horse to make it understand that it’s really dead. Desktop computing has failed. Get over it.

My post, “Why desktop computing has failed,” certainly stirred up a lot of controversy on both sides of the argument. Part of the problem is and was that some people don’t read the written word very well. But, communication is a two-way interaction. It could be that I didn’t effectively deliver my message. Let’s look at the issues logically and see if we can come up with an answer.

I said that desktop computing has failed because, in my opinion, it has.

Desktop computing, not the PC, has failed. Remember, that I also wrote: “The Dawn of the Post-PC Era. Not.,” just two weeks prior to the “Why desktop computing has failed” post.

It would be great if the world’s population were made up of individuals who wanted the best for every other person on earth but, that isn’t the case. There are people who want to rob you, kill you, or become you. There are people who want to break your computer.

That’s one issue.

The other is a bit more difficult to discuss. I tried to be diplomatic about it in my first post but that didn’t seem to be effective. In this one, I’ll just lay it on the line.

Operating systems are very complex. Computers are complex. For technical types, maybe not, but for most people computers are black boxes that they don’t understand.

In a corporate environment, system administrators can lock down the desktop if the following all apply:

  • Users work at a location staffed with IT support personnel.
  • Users can work remotely via VPN or other remote access points.
  • Remote control software installed to troubleshoot the end user’s equipment.
  • The user isn’t responsible for any updates or patches via client “pull.”
  • The user can customize their computing environment.

Often locking down a user environment means that IT support personnel will be bogged down with trouble tickets that start out like: “I can’t print,” “I can’t browse to <insert Internet site name here>,” “I can’t get email,” or my personal favorite, “It says that I don’t have sufficient permissions to perform that operation.”

Locking down the desktop has some advantages and a lot of disadvantages. Sure, it’s less work on the support staff, in theory, but even those locked-down desktops are a pain to maintain. How many Gold images do you have to keep hanging around because each time you order new laptops, you have to build a new Gold image that supports the new drivers? Pain.

How many times do you deploy your Gold image only to find out that you missed something and have to recreate the image and fix all those systems that had the Gold image placed on them? Pain.

And, now, the other issue. The bigger issue. The home user. You can’t lock down millions of desktops can you? Someone always has a brother-in-law who is a self-proclaimed computer expert who’ll come over and tinker for a few hours. Reinstall.

Viruses, malware, disk corruption, accidental file deletion, kids, tinkering experts or a drop onto the pavement when heading out to the coffee shop all make for very bad scenarios for individuals. Reinstall or replace.

At the corporate level, some have proposed moving the desktop away from the user because of this failure. That’s called VDI or virtual desktop infrastructure. VDI is also a failure. I know I sound like a broken record on this issue but keep reading, it gets better. Trust me.

VDI moves the problem to the data center. Fat local desktops are still fat when you move them to the data center folks. What makes that better? Better control, you say? Yes, you can actually control 1,000 desktops better in the data center than you can on 1,000 laptops or mixture of laptops and standard desktops. I’ll give you that.

You can lock down those virtual images, patch them, update software and repair them easily from that data center.

But, you want to know what the biggest fail for VDI is? Cost. Not just the cost of the hardware to serve up all of those virtual machines but think of the storage. Storage. Hundreds or thousands of terabytes of storage. Lots of dollars tied up in storage. And, think of the amount of network bandwidth that you need for a really snappy desktop user experience. Lots more dollars. Dollars, dollars, dollars. Fail.

What if we, as system administrators, decide once and for all that users are hopeless schmucks who can’t be trusted with a computer because they just aren’t smart enough to use them and then fix that for them? No, unfortunately we can’t make them smarter but we can make their computers foolproof.

Remember that I said that this is not the Post-PC Era. There’s nothing particularly wrong with laptops, desktops, netbooks or ultrabooks. There’s nothing wrong with tablets except that extended use of one might make you want to head to the roof with a rifle and a copy of your manifesto for the new world order. OK, maybe that part is just me.

What if there were a way to have the best of all worlds? A PC, a fat desktop operating system, a foolproof…I mean user proof file backup system in case of virus, file deletion, broken laptop or other mishap plus centralized image and software management that doesn’t burn hundreds of terabytes of space harboring a fat OS for everyone in your company.

You’d say, “Ken, I’ll send you ten percent of my savings if this is true.” OK, that part is what I want you to say.

Check out the answer to failed desktop computing at http://www.wanova.com. In the middle of the screen, on the right side, there’s a list of videos that you need to watch. It isn’t VDI. It isn’t virtualization at all. It is the answer to solving your desktop management nightmare. It makes desktop computing successful.

They didn’t ask me but they should have named the product Oasis because it’s no mirage when you see it in action. I’m not endorsing the product. Look for yourself and then use the Talkback section to tell me what you think of the product. I’ll be waiting.

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Kenneth 'Ken' Hess is a full-time Windows and Linux system administrator with over 15 years of experience with Mac, Linux, UNIX, and Windows systems in large multi-data center environments.

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My full-time employer is EDS (HP). I write as a freelancer for ZDNet. The postings and opinions on this blog are my own and don't necessarily represent EDS's, HP's, their subsidiaries or affiliates positions, strategies or opinions. I own no investments or direct financial instruments in the companies I write about.

Biography

Ken Hess

Kenneth 'Ken' Hess is a full-time Windows and Linux system administrator with over 15 years of experience with Mac, Linux, UNIX, and Windows systems in large multi-data center environments.

Ken writes on a variety of topics including interoperability, virtualization, data center operations, databases, and open source software. He has written and co-written books on Linux, databases, and virtualization. He currently writes a System Administration column for Linux Magazine and is a regular contributor to Linux User & Developer magazine, ServerWatch.com's Trends and InfoStor. He often contributes to other online and print publications as well.

His first computer was a Commodore VIC-20, which he purchased because William Shatner was in the commercials.

In his limited spare time, Ken enjoys painting, drawing, and flinging angry birds at fortified pigs.

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RE: Yes, desktop computing has failed but there's a solution
bkfriesen 27th Sep
"I???m not endorsing the product."

Yeah. You are.

BTW, when I'm working in PhotoShop, or Premiere Pro, I will not be willing to rely on AT&T bandwidth.
This is gross. Unpaid advertisement for Wanova.

Now tell me how the desktop has failed when I need to use Photoshop. Or maybe I need to do some video processing (big files, you know). How the F- can the cloud help me?

Morons.
@beranger

It isn't cloud.
@khess that answer is trite. Some compute is not well suited for cloud in terms of latency, data set sizes and raw compute power (as opposed to distributed compute power).
facebook@...

You are correct, but the "experts" and the fanatics believe you can do everything there...and they are grossly incorrect.
@facebook@...
To be realistic, any organization that has that much issues with latency and bandwidth probably won't last very long. And any home user with that issue should not be working remotely because I question how productive they can be. More likely those are users who can't find a sitter for their kids and is "working" from home. I know those users.

I don't subscribe to the whole illusion "the desktop has failed". I am still able to do everything I need to via my desktop both at home and at work be it cloud, vpn, intranet sites. whatever. There are plenty of channels.
@khess - Quote "It isn't cloud"

This is a copy and paste from their site.

"With Mirage, you can offer your customers a cloud-based desktop back-up and recovery, a desktop management service, or a combination of these two packages to provide a complete cloud-based desktop offering. The Mirage platform seamlessly supports on-premise services, or hosted services and is fully optimized to work over a WAN. Since you use one platform to enable all these services, you can easily start a customer on one package and then upsell the entire solution without any change to your infrastructure or delivery process."

This sounds like cloud to me, and everybody else who reads it. And you are running an advertizement for their company. How much are they paying you, or did you invest in them?
@rengek
"To be realistic, any organization that has that much issues with latency and bandwidth probably won't last very long. "

Untrue, many successful organizations require millions of transactions with nanosecond commit requirements. Latency is a factor of physics. When your shop floor system is pumping out millions of calculations, you do not have the time to wait for the data to commit to the cloud.
@beranger Very true, if you needed proof that zdnet sells favorable articles to sponsors, you might be able to make a good case with this one.
@beranger I agree with you.
The communication problem is entirely the fault of the author. The author obviously needs to look up the word "fail" in the dictionary. Do we tell an old person they have "failed" when they are ready for retirement? Do we tell a person who is changing jobs that they have "failed." Beating a dead horse until eternity isn't going to change the meaning of the word "fail."

Also, trying to say desktops failed because some people are just too stupid to use them displays an amazing level of ignorance. By that definition, every piece of technology at a higher level than a toaster has "failed." The space shuttle failed. Jet aircraft failed. MRI machines failed. The word "failed" failed. Why? According to your definition, because there are a bunch of people too stupid to use them correctly.

The desktop has served us perfectly well in VAST numbers for decades. It will continue to serve us for many tasks which are simply too large to move onto portable devices or the magical "cloud" which ignorant bloggers seem to love so much. One of the biggest issues with "cloud" everything is that bandwidth is NOT an unlimited resource. It is expensive and time consuming to transfer large files to and from the magical "cloud."

Then there is the issue of screen real estate and CPU power. Editing and rendering high-def video, for example, takes levels of CPU power which won't appear in tablets for at least a decade. In fact, desktops still struggle rendering high-def video. When tablets finally have the power of current desktops, new high-def standards will appear which will STILL require a desktop to render. There are things which will simply never be done on a 10" tablet, no matter how powerful. Connecting the tablet to a desktop monitor, still won't get it done.

Desktop computing will always be needed. Get over it and go look "fail" up in the dictionary.
@BillDem
BTW, in case you are missing the point, which seems likely, your headline/stated premise have nothing to do with what you actually said in your article. The failure is in desktop management methods, NOT desktop computing. That's what everyone who commented has been trying to pound into you. We are addressing your stated premise, "desktop computing has failed." It has not. What you say in your article does not support this premise. You are addressing a totally different premise in the text, that there is a better way to manage desktops. Normally, your premise should be addressed in your article, not something completely different. This makes it appear you are trolling for hits by using a shock headline which is completely untrue to get people to read something which has nothing to do with the headline.
@BillDem You want to talk real "fail"?

The biggest problem everyone has missed so far? What if your entire business is based in the cloud, and the data center everything you have depends on, goes offline for some reason? Could be the data center itself, their service provider, your service provider, doesn't really matter. "Sorry customers, we will be shut down until our cloud based system comes back online. When will that be you ask? Who knows?"

Otherwise, I totally agree with you.
@A. Noid
Thats not really all that different than saying what if your phone system fails for a mail ordering operation or desktop support team, or your ISP fails and you lose your internet connection, or waaaay back when I worked on mainframes and they went down and the entire department could only do documentations on their desktops. That argument has gone on for decades on every level of technology. I think reality is that there is always enough of a contingency to deal with it as it happens. And the key is to have some kind of adequate fall back while you bring your primary systems online. Its nothing new.
@BillDem
Thank you! Your posting is perfectly true!
@BillDem

As I said, it has failed in my opinion. Your opinion is that it hasn't. And everyone, including you, is still focusing on the hardware. I'm saying the OS. Not the hardware has failed.
This is not desktop management either. (I'm answering both your posts at once here). Who manages the millions of home user's computers? It's not a management issue.
it's like ZDNet is trolling - ignore it! LOL
Here we are seeing another "The cloud is the solution, and I can help you" advertisement from ZD. The cloud has a place, but until there is proof of reasons to trust cloud providers with a firms data and their business the "public cloud" will be more hype than fact.

Right now I know of multiple firms that moved to the public cloud who are talking to lawyers about court cases spanning everything from lack of reliability to outright theft of trade secrets by the cloud provider.
@oldsysprog

Not cloud. Not sure where you're seeing that.
@khess

It's in the middle of the page, about halfway down "internal cloud".

It's still bandwidth dependent, even if it's not hosted. It might work very well in big cities that are well-supplied with data circuits. It's not the savior for anyone outside big cities, where DSL and T1 are still the only available circuit options.
@khess

Of course it's a cloud! The desktop images are stored in the cloud and - in case of failure - reloaded from the cloud to the desktop. What kind of consultant are you that you did not recognize that fact! Sounds like you are being paid by Wanova. How about a full disclosure!
@khess Right at the top of Wanova's home page it says "Turnkey Desktop Cloud Solution", and one of the rotating images is captioned "Single Image Management from the Cloud". Associating with "cloud" has both pros and cons.
@oldsysprog

I'd like to speak to those companies, if you can email me their names. I would like to get their perspectives on the topic.
@khess That is not too hard to come by. Contact Randi Levin, CIO of Los Angeles. Los Angeles may be suing Google for non-delivery.

www.computerworld.com/s/article/9215842/L.A._may_sue_over_delays_in_Google_Apps_project_report_says

If there is any other aspect of your job that you want me to do, let me know.
It is not Cloud. Your desktop OS is on your local system. Your files are synced to your own data center, not the all-feared FUD-producing cloud. If you run Photoshop now, you can still run it. Fortunately for you, your files will be saved somewhere besides your PC.
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@khess

So, you suggest that desktop computing has failed, but the solution is still dependent upon ...desktop computing?
Correct me if I am wrong here but what can this really do that GPO, Folder Redirection, Network Shares and SCCM07 cannot accomplish?

Seriously, we would have no need for this, we have SAN Storage desktop Backup for Laptops so all files can be restored that we want restored.
@Peter Perry

But, this storage solution makes a single copy of the desktop operating system and only the parts that are changed on individual machines are backed up. It is a full deduplication solution too. One full copy of Windows, one full copy of MS Office, one full copy of all software. Only user-specific data that changes is kept separately. So, the storage requirements are one-billionth of a standard SAN solution. Think about that. A single copy of major OS and applications equals what...30GB total at most. Where yours probably eats up 50GB+ for each user.
@khess
So the 30-50Gb of the non-unique OS files are accessed on-demand, by 1-many users, through the company bandwidth.

I find webmail to unresponsive to work with. WIndows desktop is often too slow running locally....
@facebook@...

Wait, how is this a Cloud problem? It is a logistics problem. It's a delay in implementation. That's delivery--a human problem not cloud.

Yes, here's an aspect of my job you can do: Respond to all the rancid commentary.
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I really doubt that I will be doing realtime HD video editing on my tablet or smartphone anytime soon. Also doubt that I'll be recording 24 tracks of audio on those devices either. You might be right if you are talking about receiving or sending e-mails and browsing websites, opening PDFs, etc. PLEASE PEOPLE - You are blowing hot air!
How about just being accountable? I like a desktop for power, for price, and for upgrade capabilities. Hook up an extneral HD, use your power, back up...have a part malfunction? Buy a replacement and have plenty of room to work on it..and you're good to go...
Why does ZDNet continue to post this crap that desktop computing has failed? It sure is alive and well where I work. I support 800+ computers and I don't see them going to the cloud. We've tested virtual desktops and that didn't work out well. Users still prefer their laptops or desktops.

Users are allowed their personal devices such as iPads, Blackberries, etc. but you still see most of the work performed on the computers.
@haydn12

Did you watch the videos? The desktop isn't going to the cloud in this solution.
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Funny article
MrBeck 21st Sep
Never knew that ZDnet went in for humour.
@MrBeck So true ! - Even the summary is funny: "Sometimes you have to beat a dead horse to make it understand that it???s really dead. Desktop computing has failed. Get over it"

I'm pretty sure if a dead horse is dead you don't have to beat it any more unless it isn't really dead. Perhaps some bloggers should realise just because they think something has failed and is dead then they should get over it and blog more interesting stuff than regurgitating the same opinionated stuff.
I do not know why those who reply to this see this as a cloud solution. I see it as a HOME user as an application server for backup solutions. That server, using Linux as a base on old out-of-date computers could readily serve this community if the price were made affordable. The hardware costs could be small if they could use their recently replaced hardware as the backup server.

My observation is that this product has been geared to the corporate user. I see this as a potentially perfect solution for the home user. This user is typically (at least in my marketplace) much less sophisticated than a corporate user. As a result of that lack of sophistication, they are more likely to be hit by disaster and often do not have adequate recovery options. If they restore from their recovery partition, they lose everything they value (pictures and documents) because they do not have the knowledge to back up to external media. If this product was made affordable by virtue of lower software costs, lower band width requirements, and lower central hardware costs, a home owner could use this solution for benefit.
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DIY Cloud
8Limes 21st Sep
@alkolkin@... I would recommend to get just a hosting account instead with unlimited bandwidth and storage for around 10$ per month. There is no cheaper, faster or better cloud then doing it yourself!
I though this article would be interesting, IT IS JUST AN AD!
How do we run our realTime Fassst power hungry app next to the Plant Equipment when there is NO Internet Service, NO Network connection, & NO time to wait ?
Finally, a ZDNet blogger with the guts to come out of the Troll closet and explicitly sell a favorable article to a sponsor. We all thought it happens, now we know it does.
@Skippy99

I can assure you that no money changed hands in the creation of this article. First, it would be unethical. Second, no one will pay me to pimp their products--no matter how I beg them to. If I mention a product or company, it's because I like it--not because I'm paid by them. Trust me on that. My bank account wouldn't look like it does if I got money for it.
I keep trying new ways to extort money from people but it never seems to work. Maybe I should try one of those "I'll give you $5,000 if you'll deposit $30 million for me" schemes.
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Where are the numbers?
cdhanks 21st Sep
Znet is implying that everyone is moving exclusively to laptops. I don't believe it, I refuse to give up my desktop with it's 23" monitor and standard keyboard and mouse. I have a loptop but only use it when away from home. Does anyone post numbers of desktops vs. laptop numbers?
@cdhanks I prefer the power of a desktop along with the bigger screen, I also use a laptop but, Laptops are outselling desktops by a large margin. A modern inexpensive laptop is easily powerful enough for the vast majority of the population. Most business computers are used for documents data entry and other light duty things like that. The cad people, video and other graphics people need the desktop power but I doubt they make up the majority of the business world.
@cdhanks
I have a 23" monitor connected to my laptop. Nice and quiet, not much heat, it's portable and powerful.
Right now, I agree with most of the comments here - WE CANNOT RELY ON THE CLOUD for our current uses with our current technology. It just cant do it. But Im hopeful that soon it will.

The advertising for Wanova is actually funny. I was expecting some document or paper on the process of cloud integration that could potentially help.

Im thinking its going to take one of the bigger names, Google, MS, Apple, to jump in and create an OS that bridges the gap between PC/Mobile, something that can store data on centralized or cloud servers, have the data easily and quickly accessible, and all inside the kernel or operating system. something 100% compatible with all devices running that software, something that doesn't require additional inputs or support from the background.

Personally I would like Google to be the one to do it. They are close, in fact I believe they have all the pieces in place to do it, with Chrome OS, Chrome, Android, and their servers holding all my data, I have 90% of my data floating out there with Google with easy access through android and chrome OS. I just don't think its polished enough for the average user yet.
The desktop hasn't failed me. The desktop still rules.

If IT is having the kinds of issues you describe - faulty Gold images, constant nuisance calls, ect - then they haven't done there job correctly.

Oh, and there's no need to lock down "millions of desktops". You just have to have a criteria test, and if the home PC doesn't meet the criteria, they don't connect.

And "A PC, a fat desktop operating system, a user proof file backup system in case of virus, file deletion, broken laptop or other mishap plus centralized image and software management " isn't that difficult.
Just another system adminstrator whining. Doesn't have a clue what the individual user needs or wants from his IT department.
BS

Desktop computing has only failed in that all computing has failed. That is the way it has been ever since Leo stuck it's four paws in the air and rolled over.

The problem is the IT departments that are there just to justify their own existence.

Computing isn't about the operating system, the cloud, the IT department. It is about what the user wants to do, it is about the manipulation of data to produce information (to often now the 'system' takes information and turns it in to data).

I have a client where the engineers in the engineering department each have two laptops. One to get e-mail, connect to the network and write memo's,; another to do their real work, IT has black listed anything useful. Their IT department does not understand the business they are in.

The 'Cloud', another solution looking for a problem.

Sort out the real problems, please. Don't just try to tell us how clever you are.
the author needs to learn a little about how technology evolves. desktop computing has spawned desktop replacements in addition to surviving in its own niche where desktop computing is still absolutely required. and so on and so forth down to tablets and smartphones. failure is absolutely the wrong word to use. the chimpanzee has yet to fail. hell, even dinosaurs have yet to truly fail if you acknowledge the natural history of birds
@rwgove

I guess you might say that the dinosaurs took to the "clouds" to become birds. You gotta admit that's funny.
No it hasn't. Another blogger pushing his personal agenda/opinion. A blatant agenda of pushing certain advertisers' products.
Get real, it's the users who will determine the future of the desktop, not the IT people who don't want anyone to, heaven forbid, turn it on. Users do need individualized tools. Lock users down too much and productivity plummets. "The Cloud" isn't heaven, isn't the answer. Just like those predicting handhelds will replace the PC have obviously never written a report or crunched data.
Replace Ken with someone who has fresh ideas, doesn't keep beating the dead horse, and writes articles I can get something out of.
"I???m not endorsing the product."

Yeah. You are.

BTW, when I'm working in PhotoShop, or Premiere Pro, I will not be willing to rely on AT&T bandwidth.

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