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America's Future...isn't in America

By | May 17, 2006, 12:11pm PDT

Summary: It’s funny what you can learn from your kids. My latest lessons have to do with the gnashing of teeth over America’s threatened future and the flattening of the world that is destroying our competitive advantage. In a funny way, recent events involving our youngest and oldest child might point to a way out of the crisis. With America’s trade deficit ballooning, immigration and border controls a hot topic, and explosive economies in both India and China making it patently clear that the nexus of worldwide commercial activity has moved to Asia, the Grumpy Gus’s of the status quo are feeling particularly curmudgeonly these days. Not only are these upstart nations sending us cheap goods and manning thousands of call centers the doomsayers wail, but they are minting five times as many engineers each year. This is the end of civilization as we know it. The problem so far is that while lots of smart folks can see the looming storm, precious few have any prescriptions for dealing with it. The latest example was a recent op-ed by Michael Schrage in the Financial Times. The author does us all a service by pointing out the obvious: Trying to somehow shore up America science education is like having the Little Dutch Boy stick his finger in the dyke. In the face of a giant wage differential (we live in splendor, the rest of the world somewhat less comfortably), and a tiny educational differential (trained engineers are good at math no matter where they live), this trend isn’t going to stop anytime soon. Bemoaning it does no good whatsoever. Schrage has some fuzzy ideas about how to use the talent in elite western universities to equip grads with some kind of weapons to succeed, but it makes little sense to me, or the incisive Nicholas Carr on his blog where he decries the lack of proffered solutions. Luckily there is an answer. There is something that we can export to the rest of the world in vast quantities to redress the balance of trade. The answer is ourselves and our entrepreneurial spirit. Some people say there is no place left to explore on this earth. I say what about every underdeveloped village in the world? Exporting our can-do and get it done version of grassroots capitalism all over the world is a uniquely American opportunity. However, it is an opportunity that will mean our entrepreneurial kids need to learn about the rest of the world and leave the cozy suburbs for a while. Can we change enough to stop being Ugly Americans and become World Citizens and in the process unleash another gigantic wave of capitalist frenzy?

It’s funny what you can learn from your kids.  My latest lessons have to do with the gnashing of teeth over America ’s threatened future and the flattening of the world that is destroying our competitive advantage.  In a funny way, recent events involving our youngest and oldest child might point to a way out of the crisis.

With America’s trade deficit ballooning, immigration and border controls a hot topic, and explosive economies in both India and China making it patently clear that the nexus of worldwide commercial activity has moved to Asia, We have a myopia regarding other countries and cultures around the world that is rooted in arrogance, and power, and isolation. the Grumpy Gus’s of the status quo are feeling particularly curmudgeonly these days.  Not only are these upstart nations sending us cheap goods and manning thousands of call centers the doomsayers wail, but they are minting five times as many engineers each year.  This is the end of civilization as we know it.

The problem so far is that while lots of smart folks can see the looming storm, precious few have any prescriptions for dealing with it.  The latest example was a recent op-ed by Michael Schrage in the Financial Times .  The author does us all a service by pointing out the obvious: Trying to somehow shore up America science education is like having the Little Dutch Boy stick his finger in the dyke.   In the face of a giant wage differential (we live in splendor, the rest of the world somewhat less comfortably), and a tiny educational differential (trained engineers are good at math no matter where they live), this trend isn’t going to stop anytime soon.  Bemoaning it does no good whatsoever.  Schrage has some fuzzy ideas about how to use the talent in elite western universities to equip grads with some kind of weapons to succeed, but it makes little sense to me, or the incisive Nicholas Carr on his blog where he decries the lack of proffered solutions.

Luckily there is an answer.  There is something that we can export to the rest of the world in vast quantities to redress the balance of trade.  The answer is ourselves and our entrepreneurial spirit.  Some people say there is no place left to explore on this earth.  I say what about every underdeveloped village in the world?  Exporting our can-do and get it done version of grassroots capitalism all over the world is a uniquely American opportunity.  However, it is an opportunity that will mean our entrepreneurial kids need to learn about the rest of the world and leave the cozy suburbs for a while.  Can we change enough to stop being Ugly Americans and become World Citizens and in the process unleash another gigantic wave of capitalist frenzy?

The seeds of America ’s bewilderment at the rise of India and China as intellectual equals, not just sources of cheap manufacturing labor, start in grade school. While our educational system may not be as rigorous as some, our college kids and grads seem to do just fine in every area save one.  Throughout the world every nation teaches their children at least one additional language—usually English—from a very young age.  The clear message: Understanding America is critical to your future.

Studying foreign languages isn’t just about ordering dim sum in Beijing .  We have a myopia in this country regarding other countries and cultures around the world that is rooted in arrogance, and power, and isolation.  It makes us the Ugly Americans in a flattening world, and fuels a coruscating xenophobia that makes many of our otherwise intelligent citizens want to pull up the drawbridges in the face of a rapidly developing third world. 

I have a son in 3rd grade, and two daughters in college—one a linguist with a year in Cairo studying Arabic under her belt .  For the last year I’ve been ranting at the principal at our son’s  school about foreign languages.  From my perspective, living in California , he should have been studying Spanish as a core subject from kindergarten.  My linguist daughter tells me that children have an easy time learning another language up to puberty…when it becomes much harder.  So shouldn’t we be teaching secondary languages in primary school? My complaints have fallen on deaf ears so far because there is no requirement for foreign language instruction in California ’s educational curriculum.

But this fundamental problem of American self-absorption isn’t only the province of our public schools.  A few weeks ago I came upon a competition in the New York Times for college students.  The columnist Nicholas Kristof was offering to take a collegian with him for a ten day visit to the third world .  I forwarded it to my daughter in Cairo and suggested she might want to apply.

I should have known better.  When next we spoke via Skype, she blasted the idea as “bogus” and told me that it was exactly what was wrong with American thinking about the under developed world.  In ten days, she explained from her perspective of having spent the year in Cairo , you would find out exactly nothing of value about the village or country you visited.  Worse, she continued, you would think you had some kind of understanding and would return to your campus and your iPod and think that you had the right to make some kind of judgements about the place.  In her view this kind of arrogant simplicity of perspective, brought about by using an American view point as the lens through which to see another culture, was why we kept getting things so very wrong in places like Iraq.

I stood corrected.  When she started talking about grassroots capitalism as the only way to share the American Dream with the rest of the world, I started listening.

Fortress America may be under assault, but if the next generation sees themselves as world citizens, decides to export entrepreneurship all over the globe, and rejects simplistic solutions that are imposed from outside, there’s hope for us all. 

Maybe even for their 50-something father whose only additional language is high school French.

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Jeffrey S. Young is the author of two books about Steve Jobs--iCon Steve Jobs and Steve Jobs The Journey is the Reward--as well as several others about science and technology. Along the way, Young has worked and written for many magazines and newspapers, including Forbes, Wired, The Hollywood Reporter, MacWorld, Esquire, and the San Jose Mercury News. He currently tends a small vineyard in Northern California.

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Here's the deal.
johnsmith222 17th May 2006
First of all, there is no problem with America having too few people interested in Science and Engineering. The problem is that the employment prospects for those fields are so dim, the people smart enough to succeed in those fields are also savvy enough to choose fields that pay well and have enough built-in trade barriers to provide at least some long-term security. Upper-level management, law, healthcare, accounting, and a few others are examples of the above.

"In the face of a giant wage differential (we live in splendor, the rest of the world somewhat less comfortably), and a tiny educational differential (trained engineers are good at math no matter where they live), this trend isn?t going to stop anytime soon."

Until people in America are willing to trade quality housing for sheetmetal shacks and drinking water for used battery acid, there is no way Americans can compete against the entire Third World. That may well be the globalists' dream of the future, but I sure as hell don't share it.

"Exporting our can-do and get it done version of grassroots capitalism all over the world is a uniquely American opportunity"

Ain't gonna work. The faster growing economies are using protectionism with great success (China is the poster child for effectiveness of protectionism and a few other anti-competitive policies), and widespread corruption put a damper on entrepreneurial efforts of those who do not have the requisite connections.

You see, America did not invent capitalism, nor is it the top authority on all things capitalism. In fact, the two words that describe the vast majority of US capitalists are "greedy" and "shortsighted." Everything revolved around short-term profits, long-term damage be damned.

Unfortunately, when this strategy finally backfires, the working people will be forced to absorb almost all of the fallout.
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Good Point.
John Zern 17th May 2006
In one story, I read that "there are risks involved in investing in other countries as, governments change, and so could your fortune (or the forfeiture of)" while in this one, it's "Exporting our can-do and get it done version of grassroots capitalism all over the world is a uniquely American opportunity" (read: invest overseas).

Which is it? Start a company here, or start a company there?
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Thank you!!!!
HypnoToad72 17th May 2006
Nice to see some people looking at the entire picture.

And there is a version of capitalism that's fair and noble. Except, thanks to giant corporations who are squeezing the life out of small ones, the concept got perverted and more and more people think the entire concept of capitalism is wrong. That's the sad part. Capitalism is fine - until you let the bigger cats take free reign of everything. That's when it becomes the reign of terror.

No puns intended.
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what's really perverted
IndredKold 24th May 2006
So really what we have here is the same "reign of terror" all over the world. The only difference with America is that the "bigger cats" wear the masks of fairly elected officials. I guess you could say at least countries like China are honest enough to admit things are going exactly the way the people in power want them to. I'm not a communist by any means but the pseudo democracy (or democratic replublic if you want to be exact about it) that we the people have let this country become by not caring enough to force elected officials to run for office in a fair manner and revise and enforce the laws that are supposed to keep large companies from running the world into the ground just to make a buck is destined to implode if we don't accept the fact that the world economies must move towards parity or move towards anarchy. And unfortunate as it may be for us, the value of the U.S. dollar (among others) must move down in order to reach world parity. I say the only alternative is anarchy because as needed resources shrink countries will begin to fight over them (or already have as some would say) unless there is a completely fair and just way to distribute them, i.e.- world economic parity.
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A minor quibble
Linux Advocate 25th May 2006
we are actually a constitutional republic.
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Excellent JS!
ExploreMN 17th May 2006
You basically have said in more eloquent terms what I say every single time I see these articles.
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well said
hillman.d@... 25th May 2006
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Struggle for a few years trying to pay back student loans after getting an engineering degree and you'll quickly find out it's still all about who you know more than what you know.
All the engineers I know that are doing well are sitting in upper management.
If my uncle wasn't one of those, I'd still be looking for a good enough job.
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Futures
m-nature 17th May 2006
The ironic thing is, that even if America's future isn't in America, it is very possible that the world's future is in America. This may seem an odd idea, but is made possible because of our language. The English language is composed of about a million words currently, and is still growing. Any good idea must be verbalized in some way before it can become a good invention. The English language is part of the tools we have available to verbalize or conceptualize the ideas that we have. Do not underestimate the power of language for that.

One other thing that we have going for us is leisure time. It is not true that necessity is the mother of invention, it is actually leisure time that is the mother of invention. We have time to day-dream, to doodle, to make mistakes and have to start over, and to make prototypes.

My father grew up with horses and buggies. I grew up with man finally getting into space, and then walking on the moon. My children saw the first microwave ovens and home computers.

Don't consider America out of the running, yet. I truly believe there are a few more surprises left, and the rest of the world will just have to try and keep up.
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That is an optimism we both share.
HypnoToad72 17th May 2006
And I hope there is a good surprise or two left.

None of us wanted $30/hr. We just wanted to be able to afford things.

An Indian getting $2/hr is rolling in dough. In the US, $2/hr is rolling in sawdust.

If $2/hr allowed Americans to live decently, I'd be all for it too.

But I didn't make the wages that high either. Or the CEOs' pay ratio going from 40x to 600x either (between 1979 and 2005, source AFL-CIO.)
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Hypno and m-nature?
ExploreMN 17th May 2006
Hypno, I understand what you are saying...I mean that is something I stress too...the fact we can never have a "global economy" when $100 a month in rural Russia allows you to live like $4000 a month in rural America.

But the whole "English language" approach seems very ethnocentric and flawed. Do you think other languages can't express thoughts and ideas in there language? Most of the sciences came from Italy, Germany, and France. None of which are English.
Furthermore, leisure time is NOT the mother of invention. It is the mother of breeding an overweight/obese nation of lazy, undereducated, finger pointing, external blaming, socially arrogant misfits that suffer from lack of education, lack of common sense, and lack of logical reasoning skills. Sure there might be a few exceptions to the rule, but generally speaking if you have unlimited time and money you are going to do things that seek pleasure, relaxation, leisure, and other gluttonous things. You are not going to sit in a shop trying to invent something new and wonderful.
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I don't know if I agree with that
voska 18th May 2006
"Sure there might be a few exceptions to the rule, but generally speaking if you have unlimited time and money you are going to do things that seek pleasure, relaxation, leisure, and other gluttonous things. You are not going to sit in a shop trying to invent something new and wonderful."

Needs are not only just shelter and food. Now I'm going back to the college days here. I remember the Maslow Hierary of Needs.

The body needs and security needs when met allow one to focus on social, ego, self actualization, and spiritual needs. What you describe is if someone had their body needs they will over indulge in them. That would be the exception though, not the norm.

I could go on and on this but the point is if you have meet the first few needs covering up to social you hit the ego and self actualization. This were you do things for your ego and prove you can. Not to do them to earn your basic need of body.

This the same argument that people use when they say if artist didn't get paid the world would be devoid of art. It's just true. Artists do what they do to satisfy higher needs. We all do to a degree. Many satify the ego and self by the type of job or career they are in. Change how we self actualize and what satisfies the ego and you have a society that can flourish with unlimited time and money. Today how we define ourselves is what holds us back. Know one knows who they really are when their time and money is free, people only know themselves by what they do and where they live. That's the real problem.
Early on the United States had a point...several actually. It was a
grand experiment in semi democracy or a Republic at the time.
So that in and of itself was a motivator. The United States was
young and raw so she had massive room to grow and learn. Yet
another motivator tied iin with the first I mentioned. Then the
people who came here came from many places where their
options were limited and it seemed in theory at least that was
not the case here motivation again. Still it was hard and our for
mothers and farther had too work very hard to make life better
for themselves and their children (will someone think about the
children?) And that motivator pushed us for several generations.
however now things have changed we are not the young upstart
with something to prove.....we've proved it or so we think. Our
children are now adults who have it much better than their
partents or at least that was the case a generation or so back.
What is the point when you work hard to make things better and
you get there? Don't you in theory get to enjoy the better or is it
in fact pointless? You don't get to enjoy the better cause there
is always someone willing to work hard to take it from you? So
in essense you NEVER get to kick back and if that's the case
what's the point? What is better if it's not kicking back and
enjoying? This whole you have to work harder at your given job,
then get out of work and go to school to keep your skills up to
date and be ready for the iinevitable layoff, then make it home
to do what you can for your family and maybe sneek in some
sleep somewhere along the line future painted for me by the
current administration is well mind boggling and if I were a
partent to realize that theis if the future I am leaving my children
...YIKES!!!!

Great motivation......

Pagan jim
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Kicking back
m-nature 18th May 2006
I have to admit, during the time I was having and raising my children, and going to school, and doing everything else, it was sheer madness. The only time I had a little "space" or privacy was in the bathroom (for too short of a time), or going to the store by myself (that was back when it wasn't child abuse to leave kids alone for an hour or so).

But now, with all four kids raised and out of the house (and all of them over the age of 21, still alive, and none in jail), I have some leisure time to do many of the things I had no time to do before. My children are all wrapped up in the helter-skelter of everyday living, but I now feel a sense of repose, of quiet, and of steady progress. I now have a complete wood-working shop set up, with all equipment functional. Several toolboxes stand ready for projects, both in and out of the house. A long list of projects gets updated frequently, as some get done, and others get added. I still work full-time, but the pace of life has shifted. There is still not enough time for everything, but there is definitely a feeling of progression every day, instead of a feeling of just surviving every day. My kids even call me, and ask for advice! They certainly didn't do that much when they lived with me.

I am optimistic about the future. When I was a kid we had bomb shelters and "duck-and-cover" in school. Kids used the same drugs then as now, which are primarily alcohol and tobacco. We all thought we would grow up and not make the same mistakes our parents made. Then we went ahead and made those mistakes, plus making some brand new ones.

The point is, the future is not what we leave our children, the future is what they make of it. It is for them to decide and to choose, not for us. Our time is now. Their time is some future now.
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More and more elderly are working now. Not because they want
to but to aford the present and their futue.

Me I'm Diabetic since the age of 6 and with the Drug companies
feeling no need to find cures (no money in cures) and the
government not positive about stem cell research I don't think
I'm going to live long enough for this future and with the costs
of keeping me alive right now I can't put aside for the future
anyway. Even "IF" I live long enough to be around to retirement I
can't see myself as being in any shape to enjoy it.

However I'm perhaps the odd one in this equation I still think the
future is changing and the elderly seemed pressed to keep up as
well do they not?

I'm sure in your day you could perhaps at least have the illusion
that your efforts at a given job place would be rewarded with
continued work....now not even hard slave like labor can
promise a given worker more than perhaps making it too the
weekend employed because of mergers, layoffs, and stock
options.

Pagan jim
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I'm happy for you, but
novice_1 25th May 2006
Your story is far more becomming the exception where it was the norm a generation ago. When I was raising my 4 kids I was able to enjoy an occasional fishing trip or weekend exploration of a camping area with them. I find that now, after changing careers twice, I am unable to take that kind of time off from my everyday foraging for essentials. Even if the time were available, the money would certainly not be there.

I feel that I am more the norm now than you are in pure numbers represented, as I know many more with the same dread of our future. Health insurance is now more than the mortgage for my wife and I even after my employer pays 1/2. My wife and I have both been hospitalized in the last 3 yrs and I am still behind what I would have paid the hospital and doctors without insurance. Since I am no longer able to do the manual labor that I once did and the 80's politics in Texas took away any future business prospects, I find that I must compete with 20 somethings for sales jobs. Even a well rounded engineering background isn't enough to entice employers to take a chance on a 55+ yr old with a bad back, so it seems that my fate is to sell construction related products to an ever more affluent appearing and younger buying group who are probably driving thier net worth.

If this were the result of an event(s) I would chaulk it up to bad luck / decision making, but it is a sustained movement downward of the general working class that doesn't show any promise of becoming better for my children and grandchildren. Neither political party has seemed to effect the movement more than an inconsequential amount over thier tenure of the last 30 yrs, so what is the force driving this vortex of wealth into the drain? I believe it to be the uncontrolled, and often self sacrificing, whim of our capitalistic system. I don't mean the apple pie - red, white and blue enteprenouristic small business, but rather the true capitalistic side of America, the large, megalithic, overcontrolling, greed centered companies that make up the fortunate 500. The affluence of the last generation of Americans has given way to the bloat of companies that have no national allegiences and feel no compulsion to forward any one country's well being. The future of the average working American will be the grinder of competition with people whose lives in tarpaper shacks will become the new standard of living.
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I am an American....
crash89 18th May 2006
And, scary as it sounds - in my opinion you are right! We have
turned into a nation of gluttons who feel the world is beneath us
and owes us. Before anyone flames me... I am a veteran who has
travelled the world and truly love this country and the
opportunity it has afforded me and my family. But here is
reality... The relative ease of our lives have made us quite soft in
comparison with a very hungry third-world. They are willing to
sacrifice and actually work whereas we -in many ways- expect
things to be handed to us as a right. Our relative laziness has
caused our obesity -not disease. Our bickering about the "high"
cost of education while suing our schools has caused our kids to
fall far behind -not bad teachers. Our lack of self discipline and
willingness to blame others for our own failings is the cause for
our falling from grace with the rest of the world. We -as a
whole- feel it is our right never to be offended by anyone that
does not believe as we do. And we will sue to make that point.
We have sued the religion out of the courts and schools. We now
have freedom FROM religion and not what was intended -
freedom OF religion. We count many privliges as rights. We do
not earn them.
Freedom is a double-edged sword. We have the freedom to
screw up and people will let us. We also have the freedom to
right those wrongs. Our lives are not dictated to us as is the
case in much of the rest of the world.
We need to get "hungry" again. Until then, I don't think we will
be motivated enough to do anything. We will just rationalize our
shortcomings away.
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Yes and no......
Laff 18th May 2006
Again you see things from an "ideology" basis and I think
perhaps some old fashion Puritanian philosopy. As I asked in a
previous point what is the point of endlessly working hard? Is it
too make a better future for ourselves? Our children? Their
children perhaps? Where is the end game?

Are we really that lazy? I here mixed messages like productivity
wise we are still right up there if not number one. Vacation and
holidays we get the fewist in the industrial world and perhaps
fewer than even in the so called third world (don't know if that
phrase third world is a good one however) It seems everything I
have or had I had too work for and I don't have much. I live in
an apartment, drive a 1989 Honda Civic, have medical bills that
would choke an elephant (Diabetic/kidney transplant) I still
work of course and I have worked since my teens in one form or
another dairy farms, haying. Ever work in a barn well insulated
with stack of hay in high heat and humidity? NiCE..not!

Sure we can become hungry again and it looks very much like
that is our future literally hungry again but too what end? Work
more hourse, take fewer days off? Go to work, then to school,
then home and take care of your family responsibilites? How
much time do we give each task? I can understand why people
in the rest of the world want to be us however if being us is not
the end all to be all then when will we and the rest of the world
realize that we are breaking our back and bank (constantly
educating ourselves in theory) for what exactly?

Oh and you are correct in the killing ourselves but you do not go
far enough. What about all the poinsons we take in on a daily
bases and those poisons that do not wash out of our systems
but are passed onto our children, and then they inturn take in
more poison from our air, water, and soil? The chemicals we
expose ourselves too daily. The telfon that flakes into our food?
Etc....etc. Nothing is simple and people need something to work
for or is it simply going to come down to survival and that's that.

As for faith. Me I don't want it or need it. I don't see the harm
in allowing people to believe as they wish/need. Nor do I see
the harm of allowing that in public building by NOT having
anyone faith take prrecident over another. So if you can figure a
way to represent all in a given prayer or display then fiine so be
it but until then let's leave it up to the individual to decide and
believe as they choose and keep Big Brother out of it. And of
course that includes those of us who would choose NOT to pray.

Pagan jim
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crash89 18th May 2006
You are correct in my assessment of things to some respect.. I
do look at things idealogically. As far as the Puratinism, not so
much. I don't believe work is everyting. One should be able to
enjoy the fruits of their labor.
I do believe in having your rewards for working hard. I have been
blessed with many material things. All are the fruits of working
hard (and smart). I come from a background where we had little
growing up. In my family we did not have the means to put any
of us through college. My path was the military. Since then, I
went and gained the knowledge I needed to build my career
quite well and where nearly all of my peers went to college, I did
not. I had -and still have- a goal of giving my children
advantages I did not have. That being said, I am also teaching
them a solid work ethic. I also do very much enjoy my "off" time!
I have a great respect for anyone who works for what they have
-no matter how much or how little they have. My brother is a
meat cutter in a grocery store and is very happy doing just that.
As far as working in a barn... I do not have that experience. I did,
however, build wood pallets in an old aircraft hanger in Detroit.
That's the life I wanted to be away from.
What I have issue with is our sense of entitlement. It is our
"right" to have a cushy life. It is our "right" to be free from want.
It is our "right" to have the most. I think we can agree none of
these are rights. It is, however, how we are seen in the world.
This is from our own actions. We are a society where you can sue
your employer for getting drunk at a company party, get a DUI
and WIN! Where is the personal responsibility?
I agree with what you wrote about faith, for the most part. Most
people need a belief system to use as a base. You are not one of
those people and I can respect that. The pont I was trying to
illustrate is that people are more than willing to twist the words
of the Constitution and Bill of Rights to their own agenda and
few are truly apalled by this. It was not about a faith-based
agenda. There are zealots on both sides. In the end the only
people to benefit are the lawyers and politicians.
I am not "down" on America, nor am I an apologist. I do believe
we are off course; that we have lost our edge. I believe the
patient is sick, but not terminal.
our disagreements are relatively small.

Entitlement is something I never understood and being that I
never experienced it I take offense when people claim it for all
we in the United States. There are a great many of us who come
from poverty and worked towards middle class or something
lose to that and struggle daily to hold onto what little we have. I
take offense when people say we are lazy like all of us make up
the we. My family also could not afford college and I found a
way to get a computer education in a 2 year trade school back in
Maine. That alone meant a lot of finacial burden. From there
work and a bit of luck meant that I was indeed better off than
my immediate family in many ways. However that luck thing can
turn both ways I was diabetic at age 6 and as the years past the
expense of treating that disease ever increased and the wear
and tear started to accumulate making and real finacial progress
problematic at best and impossible at worst.

I'm not trying to make myself out as a victim but explaining that
certain realities do occur even to those who do not expect or ask
for entitlements. Bad cards, bad luck, accidents you name it
thee is not one sure formular for success even if you can be
perfectly happy with little (which I can) I came from nothing and
anything after that is gravey as far as I'm concerned.

However on the other end of the scale don't blank on my head
and tell me it's raining. That dog won't hunt...in fact this doq
will turn around and bite you in the blank....:) By the by those
were not comment directed at you, but rather a general
statement.

Pagan jim
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AMEN !!!!
filrod@... 20th May 2006
AMEN!!!!! I was wondering if I was the only peson who had these thought and observations.
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hillman.d@... 25th May 2006
A lot of what you said makes sense. I too think a lack of moral fiber is what's making America worse. Moral fiber should be enforced and built by parents into their kids.
I just wonder how can we have that when both parents are spending ten or more hours at work and two hours in traffic just to make it?
You point about laziness is valid. Laziness is what allows large corporations to rack up large profits year after year. We pay for convenience.

People don't want to ride a bicycle to work, so they buy massive amounts of gasoline to sit in traffic for two hours and work extra hours to
afford it.
That leaves no time to cook, so the family goes to McDonald's for a greasy dinner.
That makes the drug companies happy because they can then sell more cholesterol medicine.
I'm glad my parents never allowed a TV in our house, otherwise I might've never learned how to climb a tree, fix my bicycle or catch fish in a nearby stream.
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Freedom from is just what we need
novice_1 25th May 2006
The sun revolves around the earth; the earth is flat; Sound familiar? These were just 2 of the many "truths" expounded by religeon while scientists were being tortured to death for thier teachings. Until we unshackle education from the boundries placed upon it by the uneducated we will continue to watch our place in the world eroded. How many archeologists and paleantologists do you think will graduate from Kansas schools this year?
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Most of the sciences used to come from Italy, Germany and France. Many great scientists still come from those countries. But the majority of scientific and engineering breakthroughs will always come from America, because technology is based on the ability to communicate clearly. The languages in those countries are beautiful, but do not contain the same clarity of scientific thought as the English language. If you sit in on a scientific or engineering discussion in those countries, you would probably be able to follow the gist of it without being able to speak a single word of those respective languages. Why? Because most of the modern scientific and engineering terms are in english. Americans invented or derived those words, and the rest of the world uses them, because they are explicit in their meaning. But, in addition, whenever a word is invented in another language, that very specifically defines something, it is quickly picked up and included in the english language. America is not just a melting pot of different racial people, it is a melting pot of different racial languages. Other countries try very hard to keep their languages "pure," while Americans try to constantly pollute theirs.

If you ever speak to an engineer (something that should not be done very often), you will find that they use very very specific words, even in everyday conversation. The precise meaning of a word is the way to quickly communicate, which leads to quickly thinking, pondering, arguing, and inventing.

As far as leisure time, you are simply going off on your own tangent, and speaking your own agenda. If you are working sixteen hours per day, getting minimal sleep and food, you are just surviving. You may, in desperation, try something new, but it is usually a spur-of-the-moment decision, rather than carefully planned and executed. There will certainly always be those who take their extra time and do frivolous activities. Consider, however, that what may seem frivolous to you may be society's next big invention.

There was a man who kept playing with little bits of paper in his spare time. For months, he would dab some liquid on those bits of paper, let them dry, and then try to stick them onto other pieces of paper. He became obsessed with his idea. Those little bits of paper have now become a very profitable sideline for his company, called Sticky-Notes. He would never have invented those, if he didn't have quite a bit of leisure time to spend on the concept.

Another bit of trivia about leisure: The scientist who first conceptualized a chain reaction of fissionable material was out walking his dog when the idea came into his head. He was waiting for a light to turn, before crossing the road, and the whole thought came to him before the light changed. That thought, coming during a time of leisure and relaxation, ended up changing the entire world.
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References please!
G Fedorchuk 24th May 2006
My understanding was that the sticky note was developed by a 3M scientist/engineer who was studying the properties of a new adhesive developed in their labs which at first appeared useless. Kind of backwards from what you stated.
The trivia about that scientist developing the theory of a chain reaction appears questionable as much of that basic science was developed in the period 1880 thru 1915. Stop lights? Check out the book "Boltzman's Atom".
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English
carlino 26th May 2006
'English doesn't just borrow from other languages: English follows other languages down dark alleys, jumps them, and goes through their pockets looking for loose grammar'
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Edison was a great afternoon napper. And he didn't work all
night. By today's overworked/overstressed society standards, he
may have been mistaken as a laggard. Many highly creative
people swear by 'goofing off' and having a nap. It actually DOES
encourage exploration of creative ideas. Guys who have
designed great aircraft, cars and architecture in America are
guilty of this. Check it out for yourself. America creates -- pure
and simple. Be proud. (And I'm not an American)

But I'm not so sure of the language thing either.
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novice_1 25th May 2006
The actions you described are not representative of those of the people who would do the inventing, but rather, those of the 99% who will just try to figure out the remote for the invention. The inventors cannot, however, do much inventing if they are forced to flip burgers 12 hrs a day between 2 jobs to pay the mortgage while worrying about not having health insurance.

A little "protectionism" would be good for our country if we could only convince the politicians that it is "our country" that they are serving. Just insuring us a fair playing field would be a good start, as we "still" are the main marketplace for the world's goods. We should leverage that advantage while we still have it.
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uncontrolled capitalism
novice_1 25th May 2006
I bought my first computer for a business in 1981 and paid $15,000 for it. I bought my first computer for my home a few years ago and I paid $4000 for it. I just built a computer from parts and I have $400 in it. Almost all of the parts had to be purchased from foreign mfgrs as it very hard to find domestically produced parts now.

I live in a town that was largely sustained by a computer mfgr. That employer once employed over 5000 people here, but now it is somewhere below 500. Would I pay $15,000 for a computer if it would bring back 4500 jobs to the town? Dam straight. The problem isn't in the cost of the computer as much as it is in the short time span between the $4000 and the $400. Localities can not adjust that quickly, any more than a country can. We have to stop the wholesale knock off that other countries engage in within months of our producing a product and the accompanying export of our jobs. We can only do this with import regulation that is fair to the American worker. I can't afford the $4000 computer anymore, much less the $15,000 one. I may have to sell the $400 one if it doesn't get better soon. I saw one like it on E-Bay for $250 the other day, guess I'd better hurry.
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Except it's exploitation, brought about by the same people who said it was good into debt because that means you can have all these wonderful capitalistic things as communism won't let you have them... aqnd being in debt meant the one in debt would be more inclined to stay where he's at.

There is no bewilderment. What's going on is obvious. Exploitation; paying pauper pay for a king's amount of work. The return to slavery, except at least slaves didn't have to worry about having shelter and food.

If there is a problem with American education, it's the fact most kids prefer to play Nintendoo, PlayShateeon, eyePodd or Saaga rather than study. (names changed to protect the guilty).

BTW: While your warped version of capitalism ignores borders, the rest of the world still works on them. Will the corporate elite manage to get the world to erase those lines? Or will the respective countries' conservative elements stop dealing with countries they don't like - particularly if they have debt. (Guess where I'm headed with all this? Bingo.)

"World citizens" my hootietootie. It's about short term greed in a world whose resources are rapidly diminishing due to overuse. America has a problem in that respect as well, but what is being done is only shifting the problem to ares who, sorry to tell you, will never get to see the electronic marvels - don't delude youself by mixing John Lennon lyrics to what is something John Lennon would utterly despise. Peoples' lives are being ruined.

So, in short, what is going in is not correction of any sort. And it's not a humane solution, not by any measure. Again, it's just a shift. And you'll find yourself in the gutter; either sooner or later. Or, worse, branded a terrorist because of all the new subjectively-worded laws being made. Why so many? Why so poorly worded? To make more and more people "enemies of the state". People who are otherwise loyal citizens.

You're going to be in for one halibut of a shock.
This article about the school textbooks is thought provoking.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12705167/
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we can't all become scientists
novice_1 25th May 2006
Our education system has become the "lowest common denominator" of our population. As long as we entertain the idea that everyone can succeed if given the right encouragement we will be forced to lock our best students into the least education sustainable to all.
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It's mine, all mine!
Dr_Zinj 18th May 2006
Americans are lucky. Most of us have a standard of living better that 99% of the rest of the world.

Are we consuming the lion's share of resources in the world? Yes we are.

So? What?

Most of the world's countries we are extracting these resources from couldn't or wouldn't be using them in the first place. Usually because they have neither the technological levels to use them, or the technology to extract them.

The capitalist system that has been in place in America for the past hundred years allowed the greatest level of freedom to develop markets. That has been changing over the past several decades; becoming more protectionist like the rest of the world. So I suspect that our level of prosperity is going to degrade as we become more like the rest of the world. The energy crisis is merely accelerating that process.

Ten days in a country doesn't tell anyone more about that country than they speak English or not and where it is on the globe. You need to spend at least a year there (or preferably 3-5) living with the people, at their standard of living before you have enough empathy and understanding to know where the problems are and how they ought to be approached.

Our education system in the U.S. is absolutely amazing. Amazing in that people succeed in spite of it. Frankly, I beleive that everyone should be required to read, write, speak and understand a second language besides English before you can graduate from high school. Of coure I also think that nobody should be able to graduate from college without passing differential and integral calculus first.

I'm not a world citizen. The world belongs to me and I just let the rest of you use it. Use it properly, and we'll get along just fine. Mess it up badly enough, and I'll eventually send you an eviction notice.
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Yeah, it was a weird mix...
techboy_z 18th May 2006
Some pro-capitalism, but plenty of anti-Americanism. The kind of clear illogic that thinkers tune out. Here's the summary:

a) Ugly Americans
b) We got it wrong in Iraq
c) We need to be better informed about the rest of the world; ten day trips aren't enough
d) We need to export ingenuity and free market ideals to remain competitive in a global economy

The first two notions are very open to dispute. The implication from the term "Ugly Americans" is that we are economically selfish in the global landscape. Nothing is further from the truth. No nation has been more generous to the world. And that follows on to the second item - his assertion of what we've done in Iraq is clearly tainted by political leanings. A solid case can be made that much good has been done in Iraq, and the final verdict will take decades or more to resolve.

The author is also not broadly correct on the third item. I've done a fair bit of traveling myself - some shorter trips, and also a more extensive stint of time lived in a European country. Contrary to the assertion, while my longer stint in Europe did allow me to soak up the experience of what life is like there vs. here, it did not necessarily take months or years to make the observations. I also had some pre-conceptions about France and the French, based on multiple testimonies of friends and family. I only recently traveled to that country - a short trip of only a week. That was quite long enough to gather a sufficient picture of Parisian life - one that did not jive with what I'd been told. The key to extracting useful knowledge is looking for it, paying attention...not how long you are there. If we all travel just to visit tourist sites and pubs, yeah...then we'd come home a bit dumber after 10 days. So I'm afraid I disagree with the patently stupid notion that 10 days is not long enough to get an accurate picture of life in another culture or country.

Lastly - exporting our entrepreneurism and "grass-roots capitalism"...well, isn't that what the "Ugly Americans" are trying to do? In short, the author has made absolutely no new concrete suggestion for solving the problem of global competition, but just ranted against America.
If not all bets are off. I'll be blanked if I'm going to sleep on the
streets, die of some treatable ailment, or go to bed hungry for the
supposed "bennefit" of the whole!!!

I want everyone to do well, however for others to do well I'm not
willing to sacrifice myself and those I care about. That is where I
draw the line.

Pagan jim
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novice_1 25th May 2006
The good worker bee of the "new age" can't be allowed to draw any lines! This sounds like a genetic malfunction of this unit. Advise the entire genetic line be "recycled".
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Cheers for stating what has been obvious for decades: We Americans no longer run things and we better get used to the notion of being part of a global economy. Over 40 years ago I had the privilege of learning Spanish while living with Mexican families. Those generous people taught me much more than just their language, but that language was the key to their culture. We are empoverishing future American generations by allowing our children, grandchildren and their school systems to think that they are "getting away" with something by ignoring, avoiding or paying lip service to foreign language studies.

BTW your daughter in Eygpt is so right. I lived in Venezuela for two years and those who had been there for a while had a little saying: After a month in country you could write a book; after six months a short essay; after a year perhaps a good sentence and any longer, you just smiled at the "gringos" and their opinions.
What I learnt was I have not gift for languages. Hey everyone has
their strengths and weeknesses I'm bad enough with American
English as it is.

Pagan jim
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A gift for languages
dejlo 24th May 2006
I know lots of bilingual and even multilingual people. Quite a few of them are native English speakers from the US who have learned other languages, sometimes as adults. I didn't think I had a gift for languages until I started learning Esperanto 15 years ago, and no, this isn't a sales pitch for an international language.

The people I've talked to agree on one thing about learning languages: you have to overcome your fear of making mistakes and just try. My own experience mirrors that. Unless you try to use what you are learning, you don't get better. Language skills are exercised by speaking, listening, reading and writing. And you will make mistakes ... often. You may never achieve native fluency. You will have an accent. And it doesn't matter. You'll be better at it tomorrow and better still next week.

Learning a foreign language for an hour a day, five days a week, with a classroom full of fellow students who share your native language is not a way to encourage using your new knowledge. Getting grades that reflect success or failure is not a way to encourage risk-taking.

You are good enough at learning a foreign language if you can have the conversations you want to have with the people you want to talk to. That's the only measurement of competence and success that really matters unless your goal is to become a professional translator.
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GIGO
baggins_z 24th May 2006
Garbage In, Garbage Out. It applies to everything, not just programming.

Read some Walter Williams and learn some economics and protect yourself from disinformation and agitprop concerning trade deficits, loss of manufacturing, evils of globalization, etc.

The short story: Most of the stuff you hear is an attempt to scare you into socialism.
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A revenge for China
Claude Gelinas 24th May 2006
It seems China is on its way to take its revenge, of sorts, for
years of poverty and neglect, after being one of the world's
brightest civilisation.

Wether they're back with a revenge or not appears of little
importance because the fact remains they're on the upswing and
I can't position us as being "essential" to their growth anytime
soon.

When Asia's domestic market matures, in a few years, we'll be
fighting for the latest toater model with the young engineer
yuppi-type living in Beijing and sporting proportionnally similar
wealth to compete for that toaster.

In other words, we better become really good before they start
deciding for us if we're good enough.
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My older son is now in the 6th grade. He had to choose what language he wants to study next year. Yes, at least his school system does have a foreign language requirement. What bothered me was the short list of choices available: French, German, Spanish and Latin. It is obvious to me with the growing hispanic population in the US as well as all of Latin America to our south, Spanish is clearly a worthwhile option. With Quebec not to far away, I understand why French should be on the menu. Our area was settled partly by German immigrants, so I have no problem with German. And while I have trouble imagining who he is going to speak Latin with, I don't dismiss it either.

What bothers me is that so many of the world's languages are not available to him at school. I'd like to see Japanese, Chinese and Hindi at the very least.

I only see one way that we are going to overcome this. There are far too many languages in the world for any school to teach them all. Even were we to limit the choices to the most widely spoken languages, there would still be too many. The solution is going to have to come from individual initiative. We and our children are going to have to learn other languages. It would be nice if the schools gave credit for language education obtained elsewhere in languages they don't teach. I suspect many would if asked.

In the fall, my son will begin learning German. I intend to learn it with him. I refuse to be intimidated by what many people assume is too daunting a task. I learned a little of it as a child, although I later decided to study Spanish in high school. I'm looking forward to learning more.
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I envy your son's school!
Ginevra 26th Jun 2006
I wish Latin were offered at my daughter's school. It is no longer spoken as a distinct language, but it is the root of a number of other living languages, the language of science understood all over the world, and the key to reading some of the greatest classic literature ever written as it was meant to be read. Some of the more profound scientific and philosophical insights man has ever produced were originally expressed in Latin. A good education, by definition, once meant learning the language. I wish it still did, and I wish I spoke and could read Latin myself.
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I agree - but....
G Fedorchuk 25th May 2006
As I read through the discussion on this article I saw a lot of different viewpoints. I confess that I discounted those on the far left, the far right, and those whose authors have obviously already given up on Americas future.
I found much that I agree with, or that we have to take into consideration. Even those who seemed to vehemently disagree with one another often seemed only to be looking at the same problem from a different angle.
It seemed to me that the main point of the article was that we have to prepare our kids to go out and greet the rest of the world as equals. Language education is a part of that, but so is geography, and world history, and civics; all of which are lacking in American education.
Now that my pollyanna leftist views are out there let me also say that we have to decide how we are going to interact on a national level. Respect for the many Mexican cultures and peoples do not necessarily translate to acceptance of border violations by illegals.
On the flip side, it seems common sense to me that helping Mexico achieve a standard of living on a par with ours will not impoversh us, but will give us a bigger market and less pressure on the boarder.
As a Christian I wonder how we can justify not useing our incredible economic and scientific abilities to reduce the impact that we make on the earth. And, then export the technology to the rest of the world. I see no reason to believe that we need to reduce our standard of living in the process.
In case you're wondering, between the USMC and the Army I've spent 4 years in Japan, 3 years in Germany, 3 years in Italy, and 4 months in Iraq with the Big Red One. Both my daughters speak, read, and write Japanese. My youngest also speaks French and is working on a BA in international relations. As the best leaders in the Military say, "Lead, follow, or get out of the way".
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novice_1 25th May 2006
The flood of Mexican immigrants are not seeking escape from poverty as is portrayed by both political parties. They are seeking escape from corruption. Mexico is a beautiful country with abundant resources and plenty of educated people to make a vibrant economy grow. Regretfully, Mexico is also a country held in bondage by a government that is founded in corruption and crime and it is this that holds back economic developement. Who wants to open a legitimate business where 30% of your gross reciepts go to pay off the local officials while another 30% will go to "taxes" and complaining about it will get you "disappeared". Not exactly the environment that Ronald McDonald thrives in.
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taking this too seriously
hillman.d@... 25th May 2006
I think we're ignoring the strength and resiliency of the human spirit.
I lived in a country for 10 years where there was hardly any running water or reliable electricity.
There wasn't a single computer or TV for miles and miles.
People had to walk miles with a 5-gallon bucket to get fresh water from a pipe sitting five inches above a germ-infested gutter.
That country has an abundance of natural resources but the money that the government is getting from corporations who has access to those resources is used to enrich and arm only a few.

Yet, there was still laughter and weddings.
People lived by their wits and off the land.
I'm now living in the United States and have an engineering degree but I don't feel like my life has any more meaning. I feel much more trapped now because I have so much to lose if I don't make the mortgage payments on time or forget to make the student loan payments altogether.
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a fine line
novice_1 25th May 2006
What is really scary about our economy is the fine line between the two worlds you describe. Miss a couple of those mortgage payments and see how close you get to being "unburdoned" of the trappings of modern society. Most of America is only 5-6 paychecks from losing it all and it isn't unusual for someone to be driving around thier net worth. The fact that we can no longer sustain our present and our future, as our parents did, is a direct result of corporate America's hold on our political / economic system. The only people in this country who will benifit from a "global economy" are those who don't have to earn a living locally.

As corporate America has shifted it's centers of operations around the country, chasing lower wages and more ecological freedoms, so will it shift to other countries in the same quest until it finds that there is no longer anyone who can afford to buy the goods that it produces so cheaply. Only then will the results of it's greed be considered a "crisis".
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one thing in common
novice_1 25th May 2006
One thing that the "up and commers" of late have in common is that they are shrugging off the restraints of thier religeous leaders and meeting the developed world head on. It is ironic that as China and India find the keys to unlock thier potential in a competitive world the US is retreating into some kind of "revival" mode and yearning for more of "that ol' time religeon" that the guys on TV with the funny hair are pushing as our "hope" for "salvation". How many times do you think they have to be wrong in a milleneum before the populace gets a clue?

The next economic frontier will be in providing longer and more satisfying lives for the populations just now joining the ranks of people who can afford to think past today's needs. This frontier will be won or lost in the space of a test tube and in the time it takes a scientist to have a revolutionary thought. Curtailing the potential of the contents of the test tube may also curtail the possibility that the thought will happen here. If we don't unshackle our explorers of the universe of medical experimentation we may find ourselves wishing we could afford the benifits of the stem cell research from one of these "new kids on the block".

Our only hope for salvation may be that the televangelists learn new languages and begin to hamper the developement of China and India's educational system as effectively as they have ours.
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China and India's expanding economies are directly related to products and services supplied to Americans. If products made in China or India were taxed equitably to the rates endured by anyone wishing to sell products there we would still be making those products in this country. Did we make all of those inroads in the last 30 years stamping our poverty and ecological disasters in this country to simply export them elsewhere?

Our politicians have sold out to the "one world economy" idea to the extent that the futures of our children and grandchildren are seriously at risk. No appreciable gains have been realized over a 30+ year tenure of the demopublicans and it is time to see them become truely the dinosaurs that they are, viseable only in museums. We must have equateable trade policies if our way of life is to survive in this country and there is no one touting this premise in any position from either party. The powers that will benifit from and are forwarding this "one world" agenda have no allegiences to any country or people and the great equalizer of global capitalism, if left unchecked, will surely mean the end of any advantage Americans have in shaping thier own destiny.

We still have the advantage (some see it as a fault) of consuming over 25% of the worlds gross products. This can be our salvation if we can wake up in time to put out the fire in our house. We must dump the traitors to our country in such a manor as to disuade thier successors from ever traveling the same road. Do not accept any candidate from the republicrats! Write in any worthwhile local for state offices. Elect a president that doesn't run! Do anything to stop the flow of our national resources into the sinkhole of "global equality" that seems to be the agenda of the power behind the power. If our ability to influence global trade erodes much farther we may not be able to stem this tide. Secure our borders from all invasions, both of people and maliciously priced products. Paying a little more for your designer labels may mean the difference between clothing or rags for your children.

Without products to sell to ourselves and the world we will have a false economy that will become increasingly eroded by the overhead of our own government. This economy will be extremely unstable and inflationary by the very existance of the taxes required to provide for those who are selling us out. We may not have the option of choosing our own course much longer, so let's choose what has sustained this country for hundreds of years so far, the American worker. Someone tried to fix what wasn't broken, and the results have been the crumbling of our national fabric. Americans, stand up for the strong dollar and the strong wage earner. We will have the next hundred years to sort out the minor theoretical conflicts between ourselves, but we must make this a unifying priority now.
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Open World Market
tero_t_vaananen@... 26th May 2006
There are a few things that are generally the same no matter what the context. Be that laws of thermodynamics, or something else. Any system will seek to stabilize to an optimal point of least resistance.

The world market economy works the same way. If you open the markets, strip down tariffs and taxes on goods, you will see a transfer of wealth and goods in exchange. America has the capital, China has the goods, cheap. The exchange of goods and money goes on as long as the system is not in balance; america pays, China delivers the goods.

This also works on other fronts as well. The goods that China produces cheap, can no longer be produced in america, which makes the stabilizing effect move along even faster.

The whole system is much more complex of course, considering that there are other countries involved. But overall, the system will stabilize so that the wealth escapes from places where there was a surplus and gets transfered to poorer nations since they can produce goods cheaper.

Hence, if the open market economy prevails America will lose its position. China, India, and other Asian countries will become vastly more powerful. America has championed the open market economy because due to their economical power they had an initial advantage of exploiting cheap foreign labour themselves. But as the technology and workforce learns from Americans, they can now produce the same goods themselves, and American companies must compete with them...and they lose.

America has seen the best days already. Now it is time to regress, as the surplus of wealth spills back to developing nations due to open market economy.
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truly an American way of thinking
zzz1234567890 7th Jun 2006
When it is important that your son learn Math and Science, you are asking the school Principal to teach Spanish.

Kudos to you, looks like you've already given up on Math and Science.

Learn Spanish, you one can buy imported goods (maybe high tech) from Latin America.

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