Budget 2011: scrap NBN for roads, say Libs

Budget 2011: scrap NBN for roads, say Libs

Summary: Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has described Labor's plan to invest billions of dollars of equity funding in its flagship National Broadband Network (NBN) project as "reckless", noting in his Federal Budget reply speech last night that the capital could be re-allocated to fund a number of major transport infrastructure and hospital projects.

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Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has described Labor's plan to invest billions of dollars of equity funding in its flagship National Broadband Network (NBN) project as "reckless", noting in his Federal Budget reply speech last night that the capital could be re-allocated to fund a number of major transport infrastructure and hospital projects.

In the budget papers released on Tuesday night, the government provided further detail about how it would inject equity funding into the NBN project, allocating $18.2 billion in equity injections to NBN Co over the following years up until the 2014/15 financial year. The payments are instalments towards the government's total equity contribution to the NBN, which is expected to be $27.5 billion — and about $13 billion will also be spent on the government's deal with Telstra.

In his Budget reply speech last night, Abbot said that although the Coalition supports better broadband services, it is not "reckless enough to spend upwards of $50 billion on a National Broadband Network without a cost/benefit analysis."

"That $50 billion could fully fund the construction of the Brisbane rail loop, for instance, the duplication of the Pacific Highway, the Melbourne to Brisbane inland rail link, the extension of the M4 to Strathfield and 20 major new teaching hospitals as well as the $6 billion that the Coalition has proposed to spend on better broadband," the Opposition Leader stated, referring to the broadband plan that his side of politics had floated during last year's Federal Election.

As Shadow Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has previously highlighted, Abbott pointed out that broadband speeds of up to 100Mbps are already potentially available to "almost every major business and hospital" as well as most schools and, referring to the hybrid-fibre coaxial cable networks offered by Telstra and Optus, through high-speed cable "already running past nearly a third of Australian households".

The HFC cable networks of Telstra and Optus do run past a large number of premises in major cities like Sydney and Melbourne; however, many residents and businesses are unable to get the service connected in practice, due to specific requirements around multi-tenant dwellings such as apartment and office blocks.

"The smart way to improve broadband is not to junk the existing network but to make the most of it," said Abbott. "It's to let a competitive market deliver the speeds that people need at an affordable price with government improving infrastructure in the areas where market competition won't deliver it."

Abbott also took aim at the government's $308.8 million funding reinforcement for a program that is seeing digital set-top boxes installed for pensioners and the disabled as part of the government's ongoing efforts to switch Australia over to digital television. A number of electronics retailers, such as Harvey Norman and Kogan Technologies, have stated that they believe the amount being spent per household to be above the market rate.

"Government will spend $350 on each pensioner's set-top box when Gerry Harvey can supply and install them for just $168," said Abbott. "Perhaps this program should be called 'Building the Entertainment Revolution'. Pensioners and self-funded retirees deserve better than this."

Topics: NBN, Broadband

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  • The HFC network is more than sufficient for the amount of people it covers and speeds it provides. In addition, there are 2 competitive networks (Optus and Telstra) capable of delivering 100Mbps.

    DOCSIS3.0 is more than anyone needs, and with those that need more can pay to get native fibre (they will talk BIG, but want to pay SMALL when they see the cost).

    But no doubt, will come the 'dreamers' with the FTTP argument that the nation needs it. 'Contention' on HFC and the rest (believe it or not, GPON is also has contention). We can only hope that the sale of NBN Co will be sooner than later once the libs get back in.
    Theguy-bbb4a
    • I have a great HFC connection, and at the moment, I can't do the interactive IT intensive training online courses I want to, and you tell me its enough? You clearly don't know! It's all about the darkness, isn't it, mate!
      cantech-b58c4
    • "The HFC network is more than sufficient"

      False.

      "there are 2 competitive networks (Optus and Telstra) capable of delivering 100Mbps."

      100Mbps upload? Awesome, sign me up!


      "DOCSIS3.0 is more than anyone needs"

      False. You don’t know what anyone needs.


      "But no doubt, will come the 'dreamers' with the FTTP argument that the nation needs it."

      Yes let’s talk about dreamers, lets talk about those that think HFC is a solution, lets talk about those that think FTTN is neat and a good way to spend $6 billion, let's talk about those that think there is some magical high speed wireless technology just waiting around the corner ready to make fibre redundant.
      Hubert Cumberdale
  • Speaking of dreamers...

    How come you say the HFC network is more than sufficient, while your anti-NBN FUD partner advocate, says the HFC networks were/are a failure...

    Ah the old each way bet again...much like this contradictory comment of your's above...

    1. "DOCSIS3.0 is more than anyone needs"...
    2. "those that need more"

    LOL.. No one needs more, but those who need more...seriously!

    Again I say, contradictions are an even more important weapon it the FUDsters arsenal main than even FUD...!
    Rizz-cd230
  • Cantech,

    What makes you think you can do it on FTTP? Secondly, would you be able to afford 100Mbps on FTTP?
    Theguy-bbb4a
    • What makes you think you can do it on FTTP?

      Online interactive courses from the UK, broken sound and video at the moment make it very difficult to interact with the online class. I have tested it at a specalist Lab at University, works well, but is not part of their curriculum, so apart from the tests, they won't grant me the access I require. So I think that I will be able to do it with FTTP.

      Secondly, would you be able to afford 100Mbps on FTTP?

      Yes, I work full time,.

      More FUD, hey mate!
      cantech-b58c4
      • Is this really true? I have bigpond elite 30mbs down 1mb up, Im sure that is enough to do anything you need. you could certainly stream 720p video down and upload at minimum 640x480 video.
        I recently spent two months living in Korea and my speedtested 105mbs/57mbs connection did not help me so much when going over international links. for example my servers in Australia I could only manage about 3mbit uploads to.

        I think your just making stuff up. you could move to a housing development with fibre in it you know? if it is that important to you. you could also get two ADSL connections, could cost you $120pm in line rental for an unlimited connection.

        We can do all kinds of things to boost speeds. ADSL bonding, increased os back haul.
        adamzski
      • Also you could move to an area with the NBN already, go to the iprimus site find an area in your state then sign up for one of there 25/5 and 25GB peak plans.. its only $2718.95 over 24months!
        adamzski
  • You realise you can ring up a telco and get fibre, don't you?
    Theguy-bbb4a
    • Yes, I do realise, and yes I know what the wait would be, and the cost would be, it would be cheaper to fly to the UK and do it there. I also know that this is just one example, and that the service I currently have is good for me in all but the example. But I don't make bold statments that it's perfectly acceptable for all uses. It's not, and the more we do, the less acceptable it will be.

      But you may just keep pitching the darkness of the FUD, that's your right, mate.
      cantech-b58c4
    • The point you make is the crux of the issue about the NBN. All the viscious posts directed by Conroy's mob to anyone questioning the NBN rollout are driven by a desire to have a high speed internet connection subsidised by others. Most technical people (not many of those around) accept the need for High Speed Broadband and also understand that it costs money to get that technology.
      Knowledge Expert
      • EVERYONE, understands it costs money...But sadly there are those whose own selfish, wallet driven/Lib muppet, NBN FUDsters, who consider $$$$ to be the start beginning and end...

        Here's what Bob Katter said ... “Chifley had to make a decision after the War on whether he was going to deliver phones to every house in Australia.

        “If you want to go back and have a look at the arguments, the same silly people were sitting on this (Opposition) side of the House (of Representatives) arguing that every house in Australia could not have a telephone because it would cost too much.

        “Well, thank the good Lord - because my family came from Cloncurry, where they have lived for over a century - that Chifley was listened to and not the Opposition.” {END}...

        http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/turnbull-is-dancing-to-the-beat-of-a-different-drum/
        Rizz-cd230
        • It is the reality of living in a capitist society that money talks. After the NBN roll out the those evil rich people who you appear to despise will have the 100mbs, the poor battler will have the cheap 12mps.
          Knowledge Expert
        • I cannot find reference to Chifley being given credit for delivering telephones to every house in Australia. He did want to nationalise the banks.
          Knowledge Expert
          • Take it up with Bob Katter it was him who said it...!

            The interesting part imo was - "If you want to go back and have a look at the arguments, the same silly people were sitting on this (Opposition) side of the House (of Representatives) arguing that every house in Australia could not have a telephone because it would cost too much".
            Rizz-cd230
  • Given the choice to align myself with either him or you, I'd rather him, based purely on an intelligence basis (and frankly I think he's a fool)!

    Digressing now, I do note that since you stupidly tried to debate me and were severely smacked, you and that ego are unable to take the defeat and as a consequence, you are compelled to return to simply troll...LOL

    Found your lot in life eh?

    Well, I'll play with you out of pity (as I would a mangy cur) and once I've had enough of supplying charity, I'll move back to the rational correspondences...

    Enjoy while you can, thank you...tiger!
    Rizz-cd230
    • I like to correct your spelling and occasionally your posts can be amusing.
      Knowledge Expert
      • LOL (that was actually not bad, you're learning)...

        Difference is though, you're always amusing, even when your not trying to be ;-)
        Rizz-cd230
    • OMG, don't tell me that a long time recalcitrant poster to this forum, has reappeared under a different user name. Certainly seems like it.!
      Wallingford-314a6
      • All been explained brainiac, nothing untoward, no conspiracies.. with a clear disclaimed from me - wow RS is Rizz for the 50th time (some people are slow).

        But you never did tell us why you are no longer Sydney Mike and now Wally did you?
        Rizz-cd230