Zack Whittaker
RIM
Nokia
Matthew Miller
Best Argument: RIM
The moderator has delivered a final verdict.
Opening Statements
At least RIM has a paddle
Zack Whittaker: RIM and Nokia are both up the creek, though RIM has a paddle. The BlackBerry brand still commands respect in mobile circles, despite its name suffering thanks to the mismanagement of its corporate parent. When people think of Nokia, they think of 1990's aged brick-sized phones that when dropped would do more damage to the sidewalk than the phone would.
From a financial point of view, the two companies have lost more than 80 percent of their respective market caps in the past five years. RIM has a secure enterprise infrastructure alongside phone-making hardware unit, while Nokia has only the latter. RIM, despite its share price slump, is still an attractive sell. Nokia just has phones and patents. While patents are today's gold dust weaponry, once the litigation wars are over, Nokia will have nothing left.
Nokia's exciting new devices
Matthew Miller: While Apple and Google enjoy the spotlight, Nokia and RIM are trying to stop the bleeding. RIM has primarily focused on the enterprise and this can sustain them for a while, but consumers are bringing more of their own devices to the workplace and RIM's devices are not nearly as desirable as today's modern touchscreen devices.
Nokia made a significant choice to go with Windows Phone and their first two devices in the U.S. are reportedly doing very well. The public has been slow to adopt Windows Phone, but there has been a steady trend upward in sales since launch and the U.S. public is finally getting reacquainted with Nokia.
Nokia's Windows Phones are exciting devices, the applications blow away what is found on BlackBerrys, and they license technology to the other players, while RIM showed off an updated keyboard and some camera software that is coming to BB 10.
Talkback
Nokia is hamstrung...
What!
1) The last two Nokia phones I've owned had perfectly functional GPS.
2) Galileo hasn't failed, and it isn't designed to be a replacement for GPS.
3) Why would Nokia purchase spectrum. They make phones, they aren't a network provider.
I have a BlackBerry with OS 7.1
Basically, I am saying that if a big name app like Netflix that you pay for on BB is not getting any support, BB is done already and a new OS that require new versions of software that are not supported already, are just not going to happen.
Both are dead
Hopefully a worthy owner will aquire Nokia's Firewall business - Perhaps Checkpoint would be interested as it runs their Firewall software - and somwone their carrier hardware arm they part own with Siemens, though that's not doing too well either.
Both have a place
Blackberrys are not cool
Nokia 900... Excellent phone
Consumers prefer Nokia
Consumers prefer Blackberry
I used to be a Nokia guy with an E72, but WP7 has killed Nokia for me and about everybody else.
Both are questionable but MS may help