Domain battle hits the bottle

Domain battle hits the bottle

Summary: Controversial investor Nicholas Bolton's Bottle Domains company yesterday successfully applied for a Supreme Court injunction to block Australia's domain name regulator from terminating its accreditation. But the case will flare up again today.

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Controversial investor Nicholas Bolton's Bottle Domains company yesterday successfully applied for a Supreme Court injunction to block Australia's domain name regulator from terminating its accreditation. But the case will flare up again today.

.au Domain Administration (auDA) terminated Bottle's accreditation earlier this week due to security issues.

But the court granted a temporary interim injunction late yesterday, allowing the reinstatement of Bottle Domains' accreditation until the matter could be heard on 22 April. De-accreditation would stop Bottle Domains from being able to provide its domain name services.

auDA said it had applied to the court this morning to "seek clarification as to the effect of the court's orders".

According to Bottle Domains, the appeal was being heard this morning at 10am.

auDA said that it had terminated Bottle Domain's accreditation because the company had committed a serious breach of its registrar agreement.

"auDA has a duty to the Commonwealth Government and the Australian internet community to administer the .au domain name system in the best interests of the Australian and internet community and to preserve the stability and integrity of the .au domain name system," it said on its website.

auDA CEO Chris Disspain would not comment further on the matter.

Bottle Domains said it would issue a formal statement when the outcome of auDA's appeal was known.

Topics: Legal, Security, Enterprise 2.0

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  • Best interests of the Australian internet community?

    "auDA has a duty to the Commonwealth Government and the Australian internet community to administer the .au domain name system in the best interests of the Australian and internet community and to preserve the stability and integrity of the .au domain name system."

    I think the best interests of the internet community weren't to send thousands of domain holders and resellers into a tailspin with a premature extreme action. Stability? Out the window and will be until the court cases and appeals etc are settled. Should have been handled so much better.
    anonymous
  • Best Interests

    Yes, Jonathan I could not agree with you more!

    Here I am a lonely retired female with some 7 domain names with Bottle Domains, who I might add have been most helpful and patient with me and my various problems.

    Trying to figure out what to do. I will stay with Bottle domains while we wait for the court's findings.

    I also note that the instructions we were given re changing to a new registrar, while it included a password, there were NO instructions as to what User ID or Member ID to use.

    Guessing here I think we were supposted to enter the domain name as the ID. But if that is correct it would have been nice to have been told this, rather tnan go on guessing spree. I do too many of those as it is.

    I often wonder why people do not have the general public like myself read their letters to see if they make sence to the average "Joe Blow"

    I am also in the middle of transferring one of my sites to another so where does that stand?

    Jenny R
    P.S rather like these @#$$% security codes with which is impossilbe to decifer capicales(sp) from lower case and 0 frim o. So far I have had four goes at it
    anonymous
  • PBKAC

    I often wonder why the average Joe Blow thinks that they should be able to administer domains, create web content et?

    After all you don't mess around with your car engine, because you don;t understand it.
    You don't treat your own illnesses because you don;t understand them.
    See where I am going....

    You don't really understand DNS so what makes you think the average Joe Blow should be managing domains?

    Or at least complaining when your don't understand how to do it without oodles of tech support and dumbed down docco.

    I'm sure your a nice lady, but the internet suck because clueless people can and do do stuff they have no idea about.

    Just because something is mediated via a computer interface, does not mean that anyone who can use a computer interface can or should mess with it.


    I really do applaud your for embracing the technology, but you have to remember the 'net is a complex thing and if you want to actually DIY, you really need to spend some time learning how it all works.
    anonymous
  • Re: PBKAC

    Actually Jenny has to have some understanding of DNS because she mentions she she has several "sites"; that means she is certainly able to delegate her domains to a name server and the fact that she mentioned passwords indicates she also knows how to retrieve the authinfo. As a professional web developer myself, one thing I have noticed, and do agree with Jenny on, is that most registrars make it really hard to transfer a domain to another registrar - they make it easy and obvious to transfer a domain name TO them, but transferring one away from them is like pulling teeth!

    Jenny, for this reason I recommend you open a membership with another registrar; we use planetdomain.com.au at work and they are a good registrar. You can then follow their instructions to transfer your domains to them from Bottle, you'll need the authinfo (the 'password') for each domain to do this. That's easier than trying to pry transfer-away information out of your current registrar.

    Finally, Anonymous, you really shouldn't jump to stereotypical conclusions about other peoples' ability to handle IT. Just because someone is retired does not mean they don't have the capacity and willingness to learn. Jenny has obviously spent at least some time getting to grips with IT and while she may not be a professional, she evidences some competence with DNS and handling domain names. The Internet is for everyone, my friend, that's what makes it the world-changing phenomenon it is.
    anonymous
  • Bottle Domains

    Thanky you for your kind comments Mysikan.

    See my latest response to P
    BKAC

    :-)
    anonymous
  • A response to BDKAC

    Dear oh dear, here we go again yet another male who thinks females and an older one cannot do

    anything!

    BDKAC you wrote: "I often wonder why the average Joe Blow thinks that they should be able to

    administer domains, create web content et?"

    How about reading what I said properly?

    You remind me of an eye spec. I had the misfortune to met. He looked at the printouts I had got from the

    internet (gee all by my little self) and started to say: 'These people who.....looked at me..absorbed my

    age. then he continued "who get people to get things off the internent for them" You can believe I set

    him right there.

    My experiences:

    B.Sc (Sydney University) at the ripe old age of 43. Yes all science subjects no arts (nope I was not dead

    yet of old age)

    Got an Apple IIe in 1984 figured it out yes, by my little self

    Gee I also learnt some UNIX

    Ran Paragon BSS for about five years, gee whizz I manged to set it up with TBBS and link to the Fido

    Net. Amaging eh?

    Was the 2nd female in Sydney to use Bulletin Boards, I hard wired the modem myself not hard to do.

    My hat I even wrote for My Computer Mag when it first started out. Gee amazing eh?

    Thus have used computers for some years, hum...twenty four years. Have you been into computers this

    long?

    Gee then I went to TAFE where again I faced severe age discrimation to study gee whizz WebDesign. I

    loved the young ones in my class ie 18 - 22 and yes I earned their respect..

    Only did half the course poor teaching yeap got a book and taught myself yeap XHTML and CSS (do you

    know what XHTML and CSS stand for):?

    Hum now I use DreamWeaver and get in with XHTML and make changes. Taught myself Dreamweaver

    Oh now while I cannot write JavaScript I can insert it into my writings.

    Gee I pointed my domains to the server all by my little self. Amazing. You are a silly little man to think I do

    not understand DNS.

    Gee whizz I have messed about with Cpanel, I am careful as I don't want to mess it up!

    I would love to learn PHP, but there does not appear to be anywhere I can learn it.

    Set Dreamweave so that it would "talk"to my servers. Yeap again by myself!

    Now I am really going to mess up your day. Friend the same age did a Bs.C in Computer Science at the

    ripe of age of 48 at Sydney Iniversity. She has a doctorate in Biochemisty;. Yeap she is brighter than I.I

    had no time or money and had to work.

    I hope by now you feel like a bit of a fool, AND will not wipe older females as being quite stupid.

    I am now 68. Nope do not suffer from dementia. But rather ADHD combined, Bipolar Mixed States (I

    have to fight the effects of the meds all the time: affects my spelling and keying in).Not forgetting

    dyslexia.

    adhd.org.au and bipolarmixedstates.com are my work. I doubt if they will pass W3Cs inspection but they

    work with ie six and seven and Firefox, which to me is all that matters.

    My aim has been to design websites for charities for NO money!

    Stop assuming!!!!

    You may think I am not a nice lady now. I will live with that.

    I hope by now you feel like a bit of a fool, AND will not wipe older off older females as being quite stupid.

    Nor will I give up my right to stand up for myelf, when someone assumes I am an idiot.

    How about a bit of respect?

    I will accept an apology.

    Jennifer Allen
    anonymous
  • Messing with internet

    Missed this one,

    PBKAC:"Just because something is mediated via a computer interface, does not mean that anyone who can use a computer interface can or should mess with it."

    Sorry to disapoint you here "anyone" can mess with computer interfaces. ie me :-)

    Jennifer Allen
    anonymous
  • but why should it be difficult?

    um, but why should something this trivial be made difficult? Why shouldn't the average Jo (which our 'lonely female wasn't) be able to transfer domains? Its not technical, its not setting up a host with a call to a mysql database, its not rocket science. Average Jo would get someone to make the website (and hopefully someone with less of a nerd technical ego) but the domain is their property so they can buy it and they can transfer it and it should be simple.
    anonymous
  • DNS is a lot more complex than people think.

    "Web designers" are some of the least qualified people to talk about DNS. They have just enough exposure to the technology to be dangerous and make a dog's breakfast of it.

    DNS is not trivial or easy by any stretch of imagination. Setting up a domain correctly, with proper forward and reverse resolution, MX records and integrating this with public key crypto and server software usually requires a seasoned professional. Professionals who can actually do this properly are rare to find. That's one of the reasons why the vast majority of domains and their servers are misconfigured in various ways. Most web hosting companies and consultants do not do it properly, they do just enough to make it sort-of-kind-of-work some of the time.
    anonymous
  • MX records

    Some guy,

    "MX records and integrating this with public key crypto and server software usually requires a seasoned professional"

    I dare say you are quite correct in what you say in all of your message.

    Yeap, I confess I am way out of my depth here.

    But gather what you are referring to is to do with? Well I don't know. Is it all on the server side? Or configuring the server to meet the needs of a particular website?

    I have not needed so far to learn anything about it. My two websites do all I want of them. So why mess further and particulary when I would not know what I am doing. ie If it ain't broke don't fix it.

    I kind of suspect that Cpanel might make some of the things that you are referring to a great deal more easy.

    I have found Flexihostings and their
    Cpanel great.

    Hum... thinking I may have well been advised not to respon to your message! I might well be sorry I did.

    Ah well.:-)

    Jenny
    anonymous
  • DNS - Training

    I was thinking of what you said Some guy

    ""Web designers" are some of the least qualified people to talk about DNS. They have just enough exposure to the technology to be dangerous and make a dog's breakfast of it. etc."

    I remembered by days back at TAFE with the Web Design class. I had hoped there would be "classes" re the server side of websites. There was not .

    Thus those who graduated were not in any way versed in servers. Well I think that they could in do file transfers re their website with Dreamwever, well I hope so. But that is all.

    The hardware part of the course did not consist of us leaning to recognise the various parts which make up a computer, how they function to-gether etc.

    Strange as it may sound while the young ones knew more about Photoshop than I, I knew a jolly sight more re the various bits of hardware!

    A person needed to know a bit about that with the Apple IIe. I was very surprised to see that the younger ones had not pulled their machines apart to see how they worked. They showed no interest.

    You are indeed correct re your obversations re people "liasing" with servers.

    There was no PHP taught, the list goes on.

    Gradurating from TAFE may have equiped a person, to do what? Well possibly if a bright person, prepared to teach themselves and with some exerience to become a bit more proficent.

    I most certainly would NOT recommend attending the TAFE course re Web Design. Nor was I impressed in the teaching at all. It was most definatly lacking.

    Jenny
    anonymous
  • Not the people...

    auDA's duty is only on a piece of legal paper until the people who work for them act upon it.
    It's all about power, money and glory.
    It is silly to think there is still such heroism in auDA leadership that protects the interest of others.
    anonymous
  • Really

    Relying on experts to do things that you can do yourself is why the world financial system is in it's present state. Subject experts by charging for their expertise are really only trying to maximize their own wealth. As long as someone is able to think logically they should be able to manage their own domain. The problem is getting hold of the relevant information. Unfortunately, the commercialization of the internet has ruined it for a source of advice.
    anonymous
  • Makes me wonder

    Bottle doesnt seem doggy to me. They also are considering banning <a href="www.cove.com.au">cove</a>
    anonymous