Intel exec: No future in 10-inch tablets

Intel exec: No future in 10-inch tablets

Summary: Kirk Skaugen believes that smaller tablets will survive, while bigger slates will disappear in favor of hybrid laptops.

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Will the full-sized iPad and the Google Nexus 10 become the equivalent of tech dodos? According to an Intel exec, bigger tablets will become an afterthought as the market evolves.

Kirk Skaugen, a vice president in Intel's PC Client Group, declared at the recent Intel Solutions Summit 2013 that the future for 10-inch tablets will "rapidly erode" in 2013. That's thanks to the success of smaller tablets, whether in the form of the 8-inch iPad mini or 7-inch Android competitors.

But Skaugen also believes full-sized slates will disappear as hybrid laptops that offer detachable displays or other tablet features continue to enter the marketplace. Not surprisingly, many of those convertible notebooks will be powered by Intel chips and based on the company's ultrabook platform.

It also helps that Windows 8 is touchscreenfriendly, and Skaugen said that Ultrabooks shipping with Intel's forthcoming Haswell processors will be required to have touchscreen support. He predicted that 13-inch versions would have convertible displays that "flipped" into tablet mode, while 11-inch models would have detachable screens.

Of course, Apple has shown no interest in creating its own hybrid MacBook, though the iPad mini is cannibalizing sales from its original iPad. Likewise, there's been no indication that there will be any convertible Android-based portables. Prices would also need to drop, as Windows 8 convertible laptops already available are generally priced higher than a mainstream buyer would budget for a new system.

Do you agree with Skaugen that 10-inch tablets are headed for extinction? Or is it wishful thinking since Intel has not been a major player in the standalone tablet market to date? Let us know your thoughts in the Talkback section below.

[Source: CRN via Xbit Labs]

Topics: Tablets, Intel

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  • Case for the 10 inches tablets

    Your comment contains profanities and will not appear on the site until it has been checked by a moderator.

    It seems like i'm getting this message from Zdnet, no mater what I Write on this blog.
    NothingButThesun
    • profanities message

      I also have received this message several times without apparent reason....
      **owly**
    • Profanity filter nearly every time and I never use profanity

      ZDNet obviously needs to look up the word, "profanity."

      As for Mr. Skaugen, I think he's just wishful thinking so Intel can keep selling processors. The reality is that the vast majority of iPads sold are still 10" and people rarely buy a keyboard for them. Most adults buying iPads don't want a paperback-sized tablet because it becomes far more difficult to read web sites without extreme zooming to the point where you can only see 1/16 of the page. Perhaps Android will do better in the 7" market, considering the people buying Android tablets are more price-oriented.

      As far as future Ultrabooks and hybrids go, Intel versions sadly depend on Windows 8 Metro, which is not good. Because Windows is process intensive, it drains batteries faster. Intel is more focused on low power draw now than they've ever been before. I think they're also hoping that the other, more popular tablet/phone operating systems will eventually be ported to Intel chips, so that most of their eggs aren't in one basket, like they are now. Intel is so tied to the success of Windows, that the worse-than-Vista failure of Win 8 is hurting them. In reality, few actually need Intel chips in a tablet. ARM-based single chip solutions are far superior. The built-in graphics chips and power consumption are light years beyond what Intel has done. Maybe Intel should license ARM and start building better versions of those chips.
      BillDem
      • Built-In Graphics??? Ahead of Intel????

        You are confused. ARM has no graphics. The only reason ARM has lower power consumption is due to its limited computational ability. ARM's smaller instruction set needs fewer transistors.

        ARM is in a different league. Like Little League vs. Major League.

        The iPad has NO computational ability what so ever. It can render a Web Page, but cannot run javascript without significant delays, measured in seconds.

        The ARM is an embedded processor and has no computational ability when compared to an Intel processor.

        ARM has no USB, no PCIe, no graphics. You may have been thinking of someone like Qualcomm that added an ARM core to their Snapdragon.

        ARM instruction execution has no out of order processing, no simultaneous micro-op execution, all cores share the same cache and system bus I/O.


        An ARM processor cannot power anything remotely close to the computational requirements of a PC.

        As far as performance per Watt, ARM has nothing over Intel. University of Wisconsin recently did an in-depth study comparing ARM and Intel architectural efficiency. The results:

        ...when it comes to fundamental energy efficiency, both instruction sets are in the same ballpark. “There was not much of a difference,” says Karu Sankaralingam, the Wisconsin professor who led the project. “One company is not building significantly more efficient designs than another company.”

        The Atom Z2760's VCC CPU power rail draws about 200 milliwatts. And it will compute circles around any ARM. And when the new 22nm process gets to Atom,game over. Intel wins.


        ARM is fabless. Intel uses their own foundry. Intel has 22nm 3-D Tri-Gate transistor technology. No one else can touch it. A Gartner VP, regarding Tri-Gate, is quoted as saying it will "blow ARM devices out of the water."

        This 22nm transistor was rolled out with the Ivy Bridge processors. The i7-3920XM with 1.4 Billion transistors has a TDP Max of 55 Watts at 3.8 Ghz.

        Compare that with a Pentium 4-672 at the same clock rate,
        20X performance at less than 50% energy consumption.
        P4-672 TDP 115W,
        0.16 Billion Transistors
        Passmark=486 vs. 3920XM=9168
        Patrickgood1
        • Re: An ARM processor cannot power anything remotely close to the computatio

          It can if you exclude the high overheads of Windows. For example, Linux runs happily on ARM, which is why Linux-based Android is the only full-featured OS widely used on mobile devices. Even outside that, companies like Calxeda are building a business selling power-efficient ARM-based servers to companies who are discovering that the biggest cost in running a server farm is the electricity bill.
          ldo17
      • Maybe??? Maybe Intel should License ARM?

        According to an article published by EETimes, about seven percent of ARM's 2010 $631.3 million total revenue came from Intel. About $44 Million in licensing fees.

        ARM's Top 10 2010 Clients:

        Intel 7.0% *************

        TSMC 5.7%
        Samsung 5.7%
        TI 4.6%
        NEC 3.5%
        ST 3.5%
        ZTE 2.8%
        Broadcom 2.6%
        AMD 2.5%
        Infineon 2.4%

        Apple 2.1% **************

        Qualcomm 2.0%
        Fujitsu 1.9%
        UMC 1.9%
        Lenovo 1.8%
        Patrickgood1
      • "worse-than-Vista failure of Win 8"

        So that's your claim? That Windows 8 sales are worse than Vista's? Funny, but from what I've read (actual numbers as compared to your delusional ranting), Win 8 sales are proceeding at nearly the same rate that Windows 7 sales achieved. And since Windows 7 is the single most used desktop OS in the world (700 million plus, to date) then logic would dictate that Windows 8 will, within 3 to 4 years, be the most used system in the world. Microsoft is in it for the long term, not for some get rich quick scheme- they still support what was until recently the most used OS in the world, Windows XP, right? I get it, you don't like anything Microsoft, but if you want to be taken seriously, stop being such a troll and throwing around incorrect statements as though they are fact. You'd be surprised by how many people, who actually use Windows 8, actually like it along with the "metro" screen...
        Oh well, a troll's gotta do what a troll's gotta do...
        xplorer1959
        • But...

          Win 8 is newww. People have to think because it's different.
          Many people have very little capacity to think.
          Have a little empathy for these cognitively challenged morons that don't get it. They were born with a low IQ, they didn't choose to be stupid. After all, 50% of all people finished in the bottom half of their class.
          Patrickgood1
          • Doesn't "New" = "Better"?

            And I'll have you know that 100% of me finished in the bottom half of my class.

            I did somewhat better after i entered grade school.
            Papa_Bill
    • Profanities?

      I'm having this problem a lot this week too.
      Sir Name
      • I had this problem too

        When you enter the common sizes of tablets, I believe that the filter thinks you must be referring to the size of your thing (it's hard to come up with a euphemism which the filter won't reject).
        nfordzdn
        • re: I had this problem too

          Unbelievable. I just tried replying to your post with J-o-h-n-s-o-n and it wouldn't let me.
          Sir Name
    • Profanity problem may be related to your nickname

      You see, your nickname contains the string B-U-T-T in it, as in nothingB-U-T-T-he sun.
      pcastill@...
    • Your post must be reviewed by a moderator...

      There was nothing in the post that was objectionable when I saw that message. I was annoyed, so I posted again speaking to the moderator and intentionally using profanity so it would definitely go to the moderator, and that one went right through to the forum. (Facepalm!) It's like a bad joke...
      mlashinsky@...
  • agreed

    My iPad was sold soon after I got my Nexus 7. It now felt big, clunky and heavy, and I asked myself why you even need the extra heft. Video? Maybe, but I'd rather just watch on my big screen TV. I rarely go anywhere where I need to be watching movies on the tablet. Even the 7" isn't getting used much since getting the galaxy note II, which has be come my all in one. For my traditional computing needs - my dual monitor i5 desktop.
    drwong
    • There's room for different sizes

      My first tablet was an Archos 70 with 250G internal HD which holds a ton of music and movies. It is great to use while walking for exercise but is not great for reading. I later got a Toshiba Thrive 10 which I use for reading magazines and books (our local library gives free magazine subscriptions through Zinio) and it is great for that.

      I carry the Thrive 10 if I'm going to be sitting down wherever I'm going to be using it but the Archos 70 if I'm going to be moving around while using it or need to be able to put it in my pocket.

      I don't see the point of convertible tablets. I would rather have a dedicated tablet with 17" or larger display and stick the Archos in my pocket if I'm going to need a tablet.
      nfordzdn
    • Agreed

      Yep chrome book for real work and nexus 7 for portability.
      slickjim
  • Full computing

    I am not sure if the 10 inch tablet will disappear or whether tablets and computers will simply morph together. I think as Ipad and Android tablets up their computing power and as more and more apps become available, then it will make sense for larger tablet owners to go get cases with keyboards or get traveling keyboards that they can take with them sometimes. I think ios and android are getting closer to full computing systems while Windows, Mac and Linux are getting more mobile friendly. There will continue to be a coming together with probably lots of varieties in between. I love the fact that manufacturers are trying lots of different form factors because I people have different needs. I think full computing will probably come to almost all platforms, including phones and then it will simply be a matter of choosing which size works for your needs.
    littlemas2
    • Re: Full Computing...

      Excellant post!
      Thanks...

      TW
      T-Wrench
    • What will simplify the choice

      will be the advent of practical flexible computers. Roll'em up and stick'em in your shirt pocket.
      Of course, gamers will have to go back to using pocket protectors.
      Papa_Bill