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My experiments with installing Ubuntu 13.04 (pre-release) with UEFI Boot

Summary: The Live image is Secure Boot compatible, but the installed system is not?

J.A. Watson

By J.A. Watson for Jamie's Mostly Linux Stuff |

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I said last week, after posting galleries for installing openSuSE 12.3 and Fedora 18 with UEFI Boot, that I would do the same with Ubuntu when it got a little closer to the final release. It is now one week until the release, so I suppose it is time.

The following installation was done using the Raring Ringtail Daily Build for April 17, 2013. 

Of course, it is possible that some things might still change in the week before the release, but as time gets shorter, that gets increasingly unlikely — still, my point is there is no guarantee that any particular part, feature, or bug discussed here will still be the same in the final release.

The Ubuntu Live ISO image includes UEFI Secure Boot compatibility. When you boot it, you can choose between going directly into the installer (ubiquity) or going to a live desktop. If you choose the latter, there is then an icon on the desktop to start the installer.

The first screen in the installer has the language select, and a whole lot of empty space. I find this a bit baffling, why not fill that space with something, even if it is only Ubuntu propoganda? Seems like a waste to me, but perhaps there is a reason for it.

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Topics: Linux, Open Source, Operating Systems, Ubuntu

J.A. Watson

About J.A. Watson

I started working with what we called "analog computers" in aircraft maintenance with the United States Air Force in 1970. After finishing miliary service and returning to University, I was introduced to microprocessors and machine language programming on Intel 4040 processors. After that I also worked on, operated and programmed Digital Equipment Corportation PDP-8, PDP-11 (/45 and /70) and VAX minicomputers. I was involved with the first wave of Unix-based microcomputers, in the early '80s. I have been working in software development, operation, installation and support since then.

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  • Is it stable?

    n/t
    Ram U
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  • Clarify

    I'm not clear on the question - is what stable, the Ubuntu pre-release itself, or the UEFI installation?
    j.a.watson@...
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  • is 13.04 full of bugs on the pre released version?

    is 13.04 ubuntu stable enough as a pre release os right now-is it buggy or should i wait till later updates? I'm currently running 12.10 ubuntu right now. i know april 25th is the release date but just wondering.

    Thanks.
    jefl19
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    • Not qualified to answer

      Sorry, I am not qualified to answer this question, I don't use Ubuntu any more, and I have only used this 13.04 pre-release long enough to get it installed and see how it booted.

      jw
      j.a.watson@...
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  • Why do you think you did something wrong?

    "I must be wrong about this. I must be confused. I must be doing something wrong. But I can't figure out what, and I have installed Ubuntu 13.04 quite a few times now over the past six weeks or so."

    Maybe Ubuntu has serious bugs in it and isn't ready for release? Why do you automatically assume you did something wrong? Since this works with the Live desktop and it works with SuSE, this clearly isn't an issue with Secure Boot, it is an issue with Ubuntu.

    Don't give Ubuntu a pass on this one. There is clearly a very serious bug in the installer. You aren't to blame for this one.

    Kudos on an otherwise fantastic blog post, again. You are up in Ed Bott and MJF territory with your posts and that is much appreciated. ZDNet needs more bloggers like you.
    toddbottom3
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    • Others say it works

      I assume that I was doing something wrong because I believe that several others have posted saying that "it just works". As I have said, I am not a fan of Ubuntu, nor even a regular user of it any more, so I don't follow the posts about it that closely and I can't put my fingers on one right now. I really think that the most likely scenario is that I am doing something wrong, or I am failing to do something at the end which would solve this, and that whatever this missing thing is, it will be taken care of before the final release next week. But I could be wrong...

      Thanks for reading and commenting.

      jw
      j.a.watson@...
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  • Have you submitted a bug report to Launchpad?

    If not, here is where to start:

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs

    In addition, I didn't find a related bug described for Ubuntu 13.04 here:

    https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-13.04
    Rabid Howler Monkey
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  • Here is how that plays out

    Jamie submits a bug report on Launchpad. That gets ignored for some length of time that is measured in weeks or months. Finally, someone says that I must "check this with the latest upstream kernel". This request is completely unrelated to whether the bug report has anything to do with the kernel or not. That is the end of the bug reporting / "repair" process.

    So no, thanks, I have not submitted a bug report. If I am right about this, then there are thousands of other people having the same problem, including plenty at Canonical, and they don't need me to add to the chorus. If I am wrong, then all is well with the world, I will never use Ubuntu anyway, and the world is a wonderful place.

    Thanks for reading and commenting.

    jw
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  • Why is does the release contain mainly blank screens? Simple:

    
    “The first screen in the installer has the language select, and a whole lot of empty space. I find this a bit baffling, why not fill that space with something, even if it is only Ubuntu propaganda?  Seems like a waste to me, but perhaps there is a reason for it.”

    There IS a reason for it: Shuttleworth has run out of time, people who believe in him, and people WHO BELIEVE HIM. He has few developers, no partners, no one to do the heavy lifting, and the press is turning against him; he has for too long found it more fun to generate promises of FUTURE product than real product (“...our VISION is clear...").
    Shuttleworth doesn’t have the resources to finalise a major Ubuntu release; then again, one is hard-pressed to remember a release after 9.04 which was ready for prime time.

    The answer is obvious: the screen is not filled up because of a lack of commitment and dedication on Shuttleworth’s part. Oh, and complete and total disdain of his users hasn’t hurt his rush to self-destruction, either.

    @JAW--

    You continue to amaze the REAL Linux community with your hard work and clear, concise writing. Your ability simplify and explain is among the best. Thank you from all of us.

    Warmest regards...
    langhorn
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  • Ubuntu review from an experienced Windows gamer...

    Want to get a feel for the quality of Canonical’s offerings these days, and how they are perceived by credible people? The following are excerpts from two articles by a PC-literate gamer/writer, giving his experience trying to familiarise himself with Linux, written approximately two months ago. Please note this person's opening comments. He is obviously NOT biased against Linux; he obviously would like very much to have an alternative to what he's been using. And he chose Ubuntu as his introduction to Linux...


    "Last week Valve released Steam for Linux, the open-source, free-range operating system and liberating alternative to the increasingly walled-gardens of Windows and Macintosh. Hooray for that! To celebrate the launch, Valve are offering a free Team Fortress 2 penguin to anybody who follows them into Linux-town by installing the free OS...

    ...So here, in just seven easy steps, is how to easily install UBUNTU in order to win a TF2 penguin and then get back out again as quickly as possible...

    ...STEP THREE: Everything crashes all the time and nothing works
    The borders around this error window [screenshot here] will disappear and, if you've followed the steps correctly, something called 'Compiz' will stop working. You can send an error report to help fix the problem. Alternatively you can shout an error report out of your bedroom window with much the same effect...

    ...MISTAKE TWO: I used the latest release of Ubuntu...

    ...MISTAKE THREE: I even used Ubuntu in the first place...”.


    No comment. None needed.

    Warmest regards...
    langhorn
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  • Boot-repair to enable dual-booting

    Did you try boot-repair after the Ubuntu install?

    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
    garybean
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    • Tried that...

      Yes, I tried that, it didn't help. That is no surprise, as the purpose of the boot-repair utility is to fix problems with GRUB itself and with the grub configuration files. The problem that I am having is with Secure Boot. I know that boot-repair has some information and instructions concerning secure boot, but they don't seem to help in this case. I have also searched again for help and/or instructions on this, and the only things I find are people who ran into exactly this problem and eventually "solved" it by turning off Secure Boot.

      Again, if there is anyone who can say with authority "I installed Ubuntu 13.04 with UEFI Secure Boot ENABLED", please speak up, and hopefully share how you did it.

      Thanks for reading and commenting.

      jw
      j.a.watson@...
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