Not ready for Business? I think it depends on
your business.
I'm A Senior Systems Engineer, my needs for
email and calendar are fairly basic. As long as
it syncs, and I can access my mail it is fine.
What I use my iPhone for:
Safari - are the wesites I manage up and are
they functioning correctly. Someone calls me
with a fault, I can check from my iphone. As
most of the site have web portals for
management, I can get right in and do what I
need to wherever I am. As it supports an IPSec
VPN with token authentication, I can also
attach to corporate back end intranets.
Applets: Currency converter, VNC remote
control, Citrix Xen client, SSH/telnet client
etc. If I need them I have them and they work.
If it's going to be a big job, then I break out
the laptop, but many quickies are dealt with by
the phone.
The browser in Blackberry is pretty poor
compared to safari, there are nowhere near the
number of useful clients for BB or for Windows
Mobile because of the tiny screen.
And when I'm not working, I can watch TV shows
recorded by my PC, transfer movies, music,
audio books, ebooks etc.
CIO Jury: iPhone has no place in business
Summary
The Apple iPhone may have got a makeover but it's not enough to convince CIOs the device has a place in business, according to a jury of CIOs.
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The Apple iPhone may have got a makeover but it's not enough to convince CIOs the device has a place in business.
In the latest silicon.com CIO Jury, IT chiefs were asked whether they're planning to offer Apple's touchscreen device as part of their range of corporate mobile phones - and the vast majority of IT chiefs said they are not.
Tech chiefs dismissed the iPhone option for a variety of reasons ranging from the fact it's only available from a single mobile provider, to poor battery life and even a fear of appearing profligate.
Only two of the 12 IT chiefs were willing to give it a vote of corporate confidence.
However, the remaining 10 members of the CIO Jury are not heading to Cupertino - at least, not yet.
Gavin Megnauth, director of operations & group IT for recruiter Morgan Hunt, said although the iPhone has its attractions there are still big drawbacks to the device.
"While there is clearly some momentum to accept iPhones as a corporate tool we won't be adopting at this juncture. The iPhone battery life simply doesn't compare to that of a BlackBerry and speed of use as a mobile email tool still doesn't compare," he said.
"Our research suggests that companies adopting the iPhone are the sort of companies where the PDA is an executive status symbol rather than a workhorse to genuinely aid the productivity of staff," he added.
There are also too many potential iPhone 'cons' for David Suthers, CIO of Masterlease: "High cost of ownership, lock-in to O2 and potential abuse of company resources via iTunes would be my main reasons [against it]," he said.
For Rob Neil, head of ICT and customer services at Ashford Borough Council, the main reason to avoid the iPhone is the fact it's not available from the Council's corporate mobile telephony provider.
However, he added that there could also be issues around the perception of the device: "Whilst it is undoubtedly a fine email and mobile internet client, with useful GPS apps, I can just see the headlines saying 'council gives free iPod to staff'."
Meanwhile Dr Ben Booth, global chief technology officer for Ipsos, believes security is still a bugbear. "The new model boasts lots more consumer-oriented features but (as far as I can see from the press releases) the basic security weaknesses have not been addressed," he said.
But the iPhone's charms are clearly hard at work elsewhere. While it's "not yet" on the menu at ITN, Ian Auger, head of IT & communications, said: "It is becoming more attractive though."
The Apple mobile is also turning heads at Sodexo - albeit as non-corporate devices. Kevin Fitzpatrick, CIO, Northern Europe, said the company offers BlackBerrys for "enhanced functionality/mobility users" and standard mobiles for the majority of staff but a "large number of colleagues" use iPhones as personal devices. It has no plans to offer corporate iPhones however.
One company already offering iPhones as corporate devices is Harvey Nash. "We already provision the device to senior sales people and see the new version as offering an increased set of capabilities/capacity to widen this pool even further," Alastair Behenna, CIO at the recruiter, said.
Another iPhone fan is Mike Roberts, IT director of The London Clinic, who spoke up for the iPhone's Outlook connectivity skills. "We use BlackBerry now and the iPhone offers better connectivity with Outlook," he said.
When polled about offering the iPhone as a corporate device back in 2007, 11 out of 12 CIO Jury members then said they had no plans to do so, suggesting Apple's hardware has made a degree of limited progress in infiltrating the business world.
This CIO Jury was:
- Ian Auger, head of IT & communications, ITN
- Alastair Behenna, CIO, Harvey Nash
- Dr Ben Booth, global chief technology officer, Ipsos
- Pete Crowe, IT director, Fat Face
- Kevin Fitzpatrick, CIO Northern Europe, Sodexo
- Steve Gediking, head of IT & facilities, Independent Police Complaints Commission
- John Keeling, CIO, John Lewis
- Gavin Megnauth, director of operations & group IT, Morgan Hunt
- Rob Neil, head of ICT and customer services, Ashford Borough Council
- Mike Roberts, IT director, The London Clinic
- Richard Storey, head of IT, Guys & St Thomas Hospital
- David Suthers, CIO, Masterlease
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chromeronin18th Jun 2009 -
Can you expand on your statement?
there are nowhere near the
number of useful clients for BB or for Windows
Mobile because of the tiny screen.
Can you expand on your statement that there are fewer clients (I assume you meant browsers since you mentioned Safari in that sentence) for WM and BB than for iPhone?
Can you also expand on your belief that BB and WM have tiny screens? Please include your understanding on how resolution factors into client usability.
Thank you.
NonZealot18th Jun 2009 -
You`re clueless kid. Tiny screens? 800x480 3.8inch touchscreens are "tiny"
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_hd-2525.php
just one exemple that has a bigger screen and a bigger resolution than your Iphone, based on WM. And i can find a lot of other exemples.
And you mean you can`t watch movies/listen to music, read/listen to ebooks/audio books on a WM or Blackberyy device? Lool
You mean there is not VNC or shh client for Windows Mobile? Another lol : http://www.mochasoft.dk/vncce.htm
No browser clients? Opera (the new version is even faster than Safari)/ Opera mini/ Skyfire (faster than any other mobile browser, beats Safari and Opera by far, and has support for Flash/Ajax etc.) http://www.skyfire.com/
As i said, you are clueless.
NeoGeneration18th Jun 2009 -
This is seriously amusing
I love how all the anti-iPhone crowd has to jump on every iPhone article to troll around and pontificate about how iPhone users are clueless morons who are sucked into the hype... You gys on occasion bring up some good points but most of the time you are "...full of sound and fury signifying nothing."
Resolution and screen size issue I'll give you on the TouchHD... but not too many other WM phones have a screen as large as the iPhone or as good resolution... and as far as the BBs are concerned there is only 1 that is close and that is the BB storm... even then the screen is smaller - at 3.25" as opposed to the 3.5" iPhone screen.
Browsers... and I'm going by default browsers here that were installed with the OS... Safari on the iPhone is far superior to anything WM or blackberry has. IE for WM is in the dark ages of IE 6 (as is WM based on windows ME or 98...), the BB browser is decent for a few things but for a true to desktop browsing experience Safari on iPhone comes closest. And I'm saying this as a current iPhone owner, current BB owner, and former WM owner so I have personal first hand experience with all 3 platforms.
For e-reading, music, and movies on the BB and WM platforms one is limited to how many SD cards one has and the size of those SD cards - as well as internal space of course. I have yet to hear of ANY WM or BB device with over 2GB of on board storage - and most movies run about that. What is on YOUR device right now?
Mine? I have 1138 photos, 5 full length movies (Batman Begins, Dark Knight, Iron Man, Taken, and Wanted in case you are interested), 4 video podcasts (all of The Soup), and 1,214 songs and between the Stanza App and the Kindle App I have about 35 ebooks. And I still have alomst 2GB left. That is not including all the other apps I have on my iPhone - which includes a turn by turn GPS app. Can a WM phone do that? Ummm not without a few SD cards - unless it can use a 16Gb card which very few can... same thing with a BB and the Storm might be the only one that can use a 16GB card. But guess what? I don't have to keep swapping out cards... it's all right there. And that isn't even getting into the 32GB storage the new iPhone 3GS has...
Anyhow back to the original topic here - I have to admit for my line of work the iPhone - or ANY touchscreen device - does not work well. For someone who is in an office or cubicle the majority of the day I can see it. The iPhone OS is becomming more and more enterprise friendly - and much more secure, it is a lot easier to use than the Storm... and more responsive, and yeah it is a fun device. There are some cons - and the large amount of storage space plays a role in it... How many corporate iPhone owners would be inclined to close the door to their office and watch a movie? I have to admit I've been tempted a few times and I've had the tunes rockin out while I'm working - which in some restricitive corporate enviornments is a no-no.
Pete "athynz" Athens19th Jun 2009 -
A few factual corrections
even then the screen is smaller - at 3.25" as opposed to the 3.5" iPhone screen
You would be hard pressed to really tell the difference between a 3.25" and a 3.5" screen.
and I'm going by default browsers here that were installed with the OS
Why? Do you only use the default software on the iPhone and your Mac?
IE for WM is in the dark ages
My HTC Touch Diamond came with Opera Mobile 9.5 by default, a browser that everyone who has used it unanimously agrees is better than mobile Safari. Opera Mobile 9.7 goes even further, scoring 100 on the ACID 3 test. There are no browsers currently available for the iPhone that can claim this. There are 2 for WM (Iris is the other one).
I have yet to hear of ANY WM or BB device with over 2GB of on board storage
Two points:
1. Who cares if it is onboard or through a card? Sure, factor in the cost of the card you might need to buy but once the card is installed, why do you have to carry another?
2. My HTC Touch Diamond comes with 4GB of on board storage so now you know of 1.
Can a WM phone do that? Ummm not without a few SD cards - unless it can use a 16Gb card which very few can
So you admit that yes, you can get a 16GB WM device if having 16GB of storage is important to you. Saying that "very few can" would be like saying "very few iPhone models have 16GB of storage". As long as there is 1, that's all you need.
As far as 32GB is concerned, Apple has been leading for 1 day. 32GB MicroSD cards are coming out very soon and then Apple loses the advantage.
Enjoy the iPhone but please don't spread falsehoods about the competition.NonZealot19th Jun 2009 -
A few corrections of my own
As usual I have to step back in and correct you...
even then the screen is smaller - at 3.25" as opposed to the 3.5" iPhone screen
You would be hard pressed to really tell the difference between a 3.25" and a 3.5" screen.
Just as one cannot tell much difference in size between the screens of the HTC TouchHD and the iPhone... Someone was saying that the TouchHD screen was sooo much bigger when there is as much difference between that one, the iPhone, and the Storm.
and I'm going by default browsers here that were installed with the OS
Why? Do you only use the default software on the iPhone and your Mac?
Mac? Me? Zealot please... I'm running a Dell XPS 400 for my desktop (Win XP) and an HP Pavilion 6000dv for my laptop (Win Vista)... I'm too damned cheap to spring for a mac... LOL I wanted to stick with the default browsers for the iPhone, WM, and BB devices in my discussion... mainly because the 3rd party browsers for the iPhone either suck or you have to pay for... and the default browser of the iPhone, Safari, works pretty damned well on the iPhone so I'm good there.
IE for WM is in the dark ages
My HTC Touch Diamond came with Opera Mobile 9.5 by default, a browser that everyone who has used it unanimously agrees is better than mobile Safari. Opera Mobile 9.7 goes even further, scoring 100 on the ACID 3 test. There are no browsers currently available for the iPhone that can claim this. There are 2 for WM (Iris is the other one).
I'd love it if there was a version of Opera, Firefox, and Chrome for the iPhone - as I indicated in my post... you sir are as usual taking things out of context. But then again that IS what you do... And I have yet to hear any sort of comeback about how WM is based on an old unsupported version of windows... and yet the iPhone OS is based on a current and supported version of the Mac OS... interesting...
I have yet to hear of ANY WM or BB device with over 2GB of on board storage
Two points:
1. Who cares if it is onboard or through a card? Sure, factor in the cost of the card you might need to buy but once the card is installed, why do you have to carry another?
2. My HTC Touch Diamond comes with 4GB of on board storage so now you know of 1.
Do you keep the same media on the card? Probably not, nor do I keep the same movies on my iPhone... the only real difference between the cards and onboard storage is convienience - why get a device to play media that I have to keep swapping out cards or constantly removing the card to control the content? And the HTC Touch Diamond has 4GB of storage? Not bad, not bad at all... a quarter of what I have but not too shabby I guess...
Can a WM phone do that? Ummm not without a few SD cards - unless it can use a 16Gb card which very few can
So you admit that yes, you can get a 16GB WM device if having 16GB of storage is important to you. Saying that "very few can" would be like saying "very few iPhone models have 16GB of storage". As long as there is 1, that's all you need.
No, that is NOT like saying very few iPhone models have 16GB of storage... and where did I say you could get a WM device with 16GB of storage? I said you could get a 16GB card for a WM device - provided it is capable of using it - Go reread my post. How many WM devices can use 16GB cards? Honestly I really do not care... I HAD a WM device and there was many a time I wanted to throw the thing against a wall because it was unresponsive... and it was very limited as far as storage and was limited to using 2GB cards... WM devices have come a long way since the one I had I'll grant - even though mine was running WM 6.1 which is the latest and greatest WM OS - but the OS is STILL not as good as the iPhone OS.
As far as 32GB is concerned, Apple has been leading for 1 day. 32GB MicroSD cards are coming out very soon and then Apple loses the advantage.
Apple looses the advantage because a 32GB card is "coming out very soon"? OMG, a 32GB card! Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! LOL Seriously a 32GB card is not a threat to the iPhone... and there is not a WM device or a BB device that could even use the blasted thing yet. Come up with another lame excuse NZ.
Enjoy the iPhone but please don't spread falsehoods about the competition.
WOW!!! If that is not the quentessential example of the pot calling the kettle black I have yet to see it! NZ you have been speading falsehoods about the iPhone practically from the cradle! I'm just here to counter your falsehoods with my own personal experiences... and to feed the troll of course... LOLPete "athynz" Athens19th Jun 2009 -
More factual corrections
Just as one cannot tell much difference in size between the screens of the HTC TouchHD and the iPhone...
Can you point out where I've ever claimed otherwise?
I wanted to stick with the default browsers for the iPhone, WM, and BB devices in my discussion... mainly because the 3rd party browsers for the iPhone either suck or you have to pay for... and the default browser of the iPhone, Safari, works pretty damned well on the iPhone so I'm good there.
So because the default browser on the iPhone is pretty good and there are no free 3rd party browsers for the iPhone, one cannot bring into discussion the free, good browsers for BB or WM? Can you explain to us how that makes sense?
WM is based on an old unsupported version of windows
WM has never been "based" on any version of desktop Windows so I'm really not sure where you are coming up with this stuff. Nor is iPhone OS compatible with OS X.
or constantly removing the card to control the content
I'm beginning to doubt you've ever owned a device with a removable card. You do not have to remove the card to change the content on the card. Once you've inserted the card, there is really no difference between it and built-in storage, with the obvious exception that you have far more flexibility with removable storage, should you choose to exercise that flexibility.
And the HTC Touch Diamond has 4GB of storage? Not bad, not bad at all... a quarter of what I have but not too shabby I guess...
I won't say it is particularly good and it wasn't a selling feature for me but I was simply correcting you when you said there were no WM devices with more than 2GB onboard storage. My music collection won't even begin to fit on a 32GB device so quite frankly 32GB is as useless to me as 4GB.
No, that is NOT like saying very few iPhone models have 16GB of storage... and where did I say you could get a WM device with 16GB of storage?
As I've pointed out above, once a card is inserted, there is no difference between it and built-in storage (other than the lack of flexibility inherent with built-in storage). The card can be written to without removing it. So to make this artificial distinction and say that no WM device has 16GB of storage is... artificial. It would be like saying computers with hard drives screwed in the case have "built-in" storage and computers with hard drives on slide-out bays are inferior. Once the hard drive is in the bay, it is indistinguishable from a hard drive that is screwed to the case.
and there is not a WM device or a BB device that could even use the blasted thing yet
Factually incorrect: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523628NonZealot20th Jun 2009 -
Here we go yet again.
NZ, NZ, NZ... give it up. Seriously. The iPhone kicks ass, is the best smartphone out there and is constantly improving itself. But let's go point by point yet again.
Just as one cannot tell much difference in size between the screens of the HTC TouchHD and the iPhone...
Can you point out where I've ever claimed otherwise?
You didn't - but since you wanted to nitpick my own comparison between the BB Storm and iPhone's screens I figured I'd have an "NZ moment" of my own...
I wanted to stick with the default browsers for the iPhone, WM, and BB devices in my discussion... mainly because the 3rd party browsers for the iPhone either suck or you have to pay for... and the default browser of the iPhone, Safari, works pretty damned well on the iPhone so I'm good there.
So because the default browser on the iPhone is pretty good and there are no free 3rd party browsers for the iPhone, one cannot bring into discussion the free, good browsers for BB or WM? Can you explain to us how that makes sense?
Because, for the slow learner here, I am comparing nothing more than OS-based smartphone browsers (i.e. IE in the WM OS, the BB browser in the BB OS, and Safari in the iPhone OS - sticking with the stock browsers not add-ons. Sure, Opera might kick ass and may or may not be better than Safari but Opera is NOT the default browser with all or even most WM smartphones or BB smartphones. Any other questions?
WM is based on an old unsupported version of windows
WM has never been "based" on any version of desktop Windows so I'm really not sure where you are coming up with this stuff. Nor is iPhone OS compatible with OS X.
So I take it WM sprang spontaneously from a combination of a spring rain and a *****'s dream? Where DID WM come from? Hmmm... from wikipedia: "Windows Mobile is a compact operating system combined with a suite of basic applications for mobile devices based on the Microsoft Win32 API." So perhaps I was wrong in this - but also from wikipedia is this about the iPhone OS: "The iPhone OS or OS X iPhone is the operating system developed by Apple Inc. for the iPhone and iPod Touch.[2][3] Like Mac OS X, from which it was derived, it uses the Darwin foundation" so it looks like I was right about the iPhone OS being BASED on OS X - I never said it was compatible - two different things NZ, you need to get your reading comprehension straight... all this double talk of yours has gotten you confused.
or constantly removing the card to control the content
I'm beginning to doubt you've ever owned a device with a removable card. You do not have to remove the card to change the content on the card. Once you've inserted the card, there is really no difference between it and built-in storage, with the obvious exception that you have far more flexibility with removable storage, should you choose to exercise that flexibility.
Are you serious? Look up the specs for the following phones: Samsung M500, Samsung M200, Qualcomm/ HTC PPC-6700, LG Shine, Blackberry 8330. ALL of them have expandable storage via MicroSD cards and I have used all of them to store various types of media - mainly theme files and MP3s. And due to the fact that the storage was limited (I had a max of 1GB cards), funds at the time were limited (being a temporary worker I didn't have much money for too many things beyond supporting a family), and me admittedly not wanting to keep the same 10-12 songs on the cards yes I DID in fact remove the cards on occasion to connect them via an adapter to my computer to change out the files - because I was not able to do it with the card still in the phone... nor could anyone BTW... so done trying to nitpick?
And the HTC Touch Diamond has 4GB of storage? Not bad, not bad at all... a quarter of what I have but not too shabby I guess...
I won't say it is particularly good and it wasn't a selling feature for me but I was simply correcting you when you said there were no WM devices with more than 2GB onboard storage. My music collection won't even begin to fit on a 32GB device so quite frankly 32GB is as useless to me as 4GB.
You and I are in the same boat then in regards to the music files... I have to change out playlists on occasion when I get bored with what is on my phone...
No, that is NOT like saying very few iPhone models have 16GB of storage... and where did I say you could get a WM device with 16GB of storage?
As I've pointed out above, once a card is inserted, there is no difference between it and built-in storage (other than the lack of flexibility inherent with built-in storage). The card can be written to without removing it. So to make this artificial distinction and say that no WM device has 16GB of storage is... artificial. It would be like saying computers with hard drives screwed in the case have "built-in" storage and computers with hard drives on slide-out bays are inferior. Once the hard drive is in the bay, it is indistinguishable from a hard drive that is screwed to the case.
Give me some links explaining how to change the contents of an SD card still in the device because I've looked on many different forums for the phones I listed above and had not come up with anything so maybe you can... Until then, I stand by my statement of it not being the same thing and one having to remove the card and plugging it directly into a computer to change content.
and there is not a WM device or a BB device that could even use the blasted thing yet
Factually incorrect: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523628
I checked that link and it looked like everyone was discussing the 16GB card NOT the 32GB card. YES there are devices that can make use of the 16GB card - hell I think my BB 8330 curve can - but none so far can run the 32GB card... from THAT link it looks like the Uni has some issues with it. OOOOPS! FAIL! Looks like I was factually CORRECT! Damn NZ at least post a link that supports YOUR statement... Pete "athynz" Athens21st Jun 2009 -
Lumping BB and WinMo together is a mistake
Having used two browsers on the BB, I agree on average they suck beyond belief. But lumping Windows Mobile into that statement is a bad choice. In reality, there are more browsers available for WinMo than other phones and some of those browsers are actually pretty good. Plus, most WinMo devices are actually higher resolution than the iPhone and many have larger screens, too.
That said, I still prefer the iPhone for browsing. So, I can relate to your bias, but not your facts.
BillDem18th Jun 2009 -
Thank you
In reality, there are more browsers available for WinMo than other phones and some of those browsers are actually pretty good.
It should also be mentioned, for those who care about things like ACID3, that WindowsMobile has the only 2 browsers that score 100: Iris and Opera Mobile 9.7. At least that was true as of last week and according to Wikipedia.
I like Iris since it uses WebKit and too many websites only render properly on WebKit browsers if they detect that you are on a mobile device. How ironic that we are back to the same problems we faced when web site designers created sites that only worked with IE!! However, I found Iris to be a bit slow.
Opera Mobile 9.7b... wow... incredibly fast!! The only issue I have is that it refuses to render ZDNet in anything other than its mobile view which makes it impossible to read or create comments. What is weird is that Opera Mobile 9.5 works just fine.NonZealot18th Jun 2009 -
Ummmmmm, not too sure about that
"Plus, most WinMo devices are actually higher resolution than the iPhone and many have larger screens, too."
Actually most WM devices have smaller screens than the iPhone... there are a few such as the HTC TouchHD that are larger - 3.8" on the TouchHD and 3.5" on the iPhone. If you can find more, list them. I'll wait.
Other than that I do agree with you - the iPhone is rather limited when it comes to available 3rd party browsers... I'd love to be running Firefox, Chrome, or Opera on the iPhone. And yeah the BB browsers do suck... I just stick with the stock one for my 8330 Curve.Pete "athynz" Athens19th Jun 2009 -
Many might be stretching it
There may not be many with larger screens but that is because the iPhone is already barely portable. There are many with a 3.2" screen and as I said above, it would be difficult to tell the difference. One place where you can tell the difference is that many of the WM phones have resolutions starting at 640*480. I own an HTC Touch Diamond with a 640*480 resolution and I have compared my phone side by side with my friends' iPhones and they all agree that the resolution makes a huge difference in screen clarity. While the screen on my phone is on the small side (my choice, it also makes my phone much more portable than the iPhone), there are many with screens nearly as large as the iPhone but with substantially better resolution.
We won't even talk about the Toshiba TG01 which will be coming out soon with a 4.1" screen. NonZealot19th Jun 2009 -
Barely portable?
NZ I recall a post from you talking up your iPAQ 2002 or whatever which was even MORE of a frackin brick than my old PPC-6700! Would you consider the BB Storm "barely portable"? It is actually bigger than the iPhone in almost every dimension. But let's not stop there, let's compare specs between YOUR HTC Touch Diamond and MY iPhone 3G:
HTC Touch Diamond: 4" x 2" x .6" and 4.1oz
Apple iPhone 3G: 4.5" x 2.4" x .48" and 4.8oz
Really not much difference there... 1/2 inch height and not even that in width - and not much difference in the thickness though the iPhone IS a bit thinner... just wanted to point that out to ya. And OMG a whole .8oz heavier! Wow, if you are worried about a whopping .80z in weight, if you consider something that is as small as the iPhone barely portable then you seriously need to hit the gym dude.
NZ enjoy your HTC Touch diamond responsibly but please refrain from spreading falsehoods about the competition. Thanks. Pete "athynz" Athens19th Jun 2009 -
Diamond is significantly more portable than iPhone
It takes up 33% less volume in your pocket so yes, the half inch width and half inch height advantage add up A LOT when talking about 4" devices fitting into pockets.
http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/23909-iPhone-3G-vs-Palm-Pre-vs-Touch-Diamond
NZ enjoy your HTC Touch diamond responsibly but please refrain from spreading falsehoods about the competition.
What falsehood was I spreading? The HTC Touch Diamond is significantly more portable than the iPhone. Even your incorrect dimensions show that I'm not spreading any falsehoods. Portability obviously isn't important to everyone and that is fine. Some people want big screens instead and that is totally fine. I chose to sacrifice screen size for mobility. You chose to sacrifice mobility for screen size. We both win!NonZealot20th Jun 2009 -
The falsehood you were spreading
is your claim that the iPhone is barely portable... and when talking about 1/2" in height and less than that in width that is not very signifigant in terms of these devices. Even in a case which adds yet another 1/4" all around my iPhone is very portable and fits in my pocket with no issues at all... it's not like I'm lugging around an iPAQ 2002 after all... hell that thing needed a hand truck and a crankstart...
Like I said if you can't manage less than an ounce of weight and a whole whopping .25 square inches (.5 x .5 (rounded)) then you have issues beyond anything I've seen thus far from you... and your insistence on making this completely invalid point based solely on your physical limitations does not make you look very intelligent at all. I'm just saying.Pete "athynz" Athens21st Jun 2009
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