Gates responds to criticism from Steve Jobs
Summary
Bill Gates to respond to the portrayal Jobs offered of Microsoft's co-founder in the biography by author Walter Isaacson as someone was is "basically unimaginative" and "had never invented anything."
Topics
If he was irked by Steve Jobs' posthumous criticism in a new biography, Bill Gates isn't letting on.
Appearing on ABC's "This Week" Gates was asked by anchor Christiane Amanpour to respond to the portrayal Jobs offered of Microsoft's co-founder in the biography by author Walter Isaacson as someone was is "basically unimaginative" and "had never invented anything." Jobs is also quoted saying that Gates had "shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas."
Gates listened to the question without evincing any outward reaction and offered a more balanced appraisal of what became a love-hate relationship between Microsoft and Apple over the decades.
"60 Minutes" interview with Walter Isaacson:Steve Jobs about his rivals
"60 Minutes" interview with Walter Isaacson: Part 2
"Over the course of the 30 years we worked together, (Jobs) said a lot of very nice things about me and he said a lot of tough things. I mean - he faced several times at Apple the fact that their products were so premium priced that they literally might not stay in the marketplace so the fact that we were succeeding with high volume products including a range of prices because of the way we worked with multiple companies, it's tough," Gates said.
"So the fact that at various times he felt beleaguered. He felt like was the good guy and we were the bad guys - very understandable. I respect Steve. We worked together. We spurred each other on even as competitors. None of that bothers me at all.
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What a great, classy response to a classless personal attack.
@toddybottom
It wasn't classless. It was him imposing his standards of excellence on others. Gates understands that and has a different set of standards. You don't gain anything by bashing the dead.
It wasn't classless. It was him imposing his standards of excellence on others. Gates understands that and has a different set of standards. You don't gain anything by bashing the dead.
@JohnE7
And what, exactly, did Jobs invent? Not the Apple I or Apple II computer (that was Wozniak). Do you really believe he "invented" the iPod, Mac, or iPhone? Sure, his name is on a lot of patents, but Job's talent was basically telling other people that their stuff wasn't good enough until it was. Jobs was a great CEO, but "inventor"? No way.
Besides, Apple took a lot of ideas from other people, but I never heard Jobs give *credit* to anyone for anything he stole. Everyone knows he didn't invent the Mouse or GUI that he claimed were his inventions. Apple's "Time Machine" was only added to OSX after Windows included "Restore Points"... but when Jobs announced TM, it was just another of his wonderful life-changing "inventions". OSX is basically just BSD *nix, but did Jobs ever say anything about how 90% of his New OS was lifted from the public domain? Using BSD was a great move, admittedly, but it just shows how Jobs thought everything was his for the taking, but if anyone did something similar to him, they were "stealing"... i.e. his ludicrous rant against Android.
Jobs' reality distortion field affected him as well, preventing him from seeing the truth. Unfortunately (as his biographer mentions), it probably kept him from seeking the care he needed to stay alive. I do feel sorry at his passing, but I think he lived in a fantasy world of his own making.
And what, exactly, did Jobs invent? Not the Apple I or Apple II computer (that was Wozniak). Do you really believe he "invented" the iPod, Mac, or iPhone? Sure, his name is on a lot of patents, but Job's talent was basically telling other people that their stuff wasn't good enough until it was. Jobs was a great CEO, but "inventor"? No way.
Besides, Apple took a lot of ideas from other people, but I never heard Jobs give *credit* to anyone for anything he stole. Everyone knows he didn't invent the Mouse or GUI that he claimed were his inventions. Apple's "Time Machine" was only added to OSX after Windows included "Restore Points"... but when Jobs announced TM, it was just another of his wonderful life-changing "inventions". OSX is basically just BSD *nix, but did Jobs ever say anything about how 90% of his New OS was lifted from the public domain? Using BSD was a great move, admittedly, but it just shows how Jobs thought everything was his for the taking, but if anyone did something similar to him, they were "stealing"... i.e. his ludicrous rant against Android.
Jobs' reality distortion field affected him as well, preventing him from seeing the truth. Unfortunately (as his biographer mentions), it probably kept him from seeking the care he needed to stay alive. I do feel sorry at his passing, but I think he lived in a fantasy world of his own making.
@JohnE7
You are right about not bashing the dead, but it WAS classless. Gates could have certainly called Jobs on his stance against the democratization of technology, on imposing artificial limits on capabilities, on and on.
I think Gates has comported himself quite well in this interview. He looks to be beyond bickering about technology and onto more grandiose legacy plans.
You are right about not bashing the dead, but it WAS classless. Gates could have certainly called Jobs on his stance against the democratization of technology, on imposing artificial limits on capabilities, on and on.
I think Gates has comported himself quite well in this interview. He looks to be beyond bickering about technology and onto more grandiose legacy plans.
@JohnE7
Really? Did Steve Jobs tell you that himself, or is it just an excuse for Jobs' bad mouthing others?
Really? Did Steve Jobs tell you that himself, or is it just an excuse for Jobs' bad mouthing others?
@JohnE7 Yes you do. You gain a hit television show on AMC.
@toddybottom Classy is not what I call Gates. Clueless as to his stinginess in Research and Development for his products. Having observed technological advances for years, Gates always stole from Apple who spent the real money on R&D. Back in the late 1990s after John Scully (the ultimate unimaginative CEO) had driven Apple into the gutter and Jobs had returned to Apple, Gates loaned Apple $100M to keep their doors open. Otherwise, Gates would have had to spend much more than that to do some R&D innovation himself. Who would he have stolen his innovation from if Apple went under? Apple turned around under Jobs and easily paid back the $100M to Microsoft. The field was littered with little start-ups but no alternative big software companies. The PC industry followed Apple's advancements in hardware like little puppy dogs. As far as the descrepancy in market cost, Apple always used the best components for their computers, while cheap PCs used the cheapest (and quickly failure) components they could to sell to the suckers who went for the cheap. Every Apple I've owned had a failure rate of 0% and lasted years because they were upgradable. I only bought new computers because the advancements had gone farther than the upgrade capabilities. I still have them and they are still running today. Take that cheap PCs! Apple was the first innovator of the WYSIWYG (developed by Xerox) architecture for personal computers (later copied by Gates for Windows) and was one of the original Personal Computers. PCs were still DOS-based for years until Gates changed WYSIWYG legally enough and called his version Windows. Gates was lucky that he came later under IBM's aegis which captured the business market. Gates was a great businessman, but not an artistic taskmaster character like Jobs.
@jerryball
Microsoft infused money into apple because it saw another avenue for the implemetation of MS Office. W/o Office and the cash Apple would not exist today. Apple didn't invent the os JOb's bought the Xerox PARC programmers and stole the intelectual property from XEROX
Microsoft infused money into apple because it saw another avenue for the implemetation of MS Office. W/o Office and the cash Apple would not exist today. Apple didn't invent the os JOb's bought the Xerox PARC programmers and stole the intelectual property from XEROX
@jerryball
Thank you for a classic fanboi response and a complete inability to even use any of the search engines to learn history or recognize any of the benefits of MS R&D, while still being unable to understand Apple as a marketing and packaging company that has successfully redesigned other people's inventions for years. Gates is a tech and programmer, Jobs was a salesman and motivational speaker.
A perfect example of the reality distortion field
Thank you for a classic fanboi response and a complete inability to even use any of the search engines to learn history or recognize any of the benefits of MS R&D, while still being unable to understand Apple as a marketing and packaging company that has successfully redesigned other people's inventions for years. Gates is a tech and programmer, Jobs was a salesman and motivational speaker.
A perfect example of the reality distortion field
What original contribution to IT has MS made.
There can be no doubting their commericial success. But jobs frustration, express on many occasions, is the lack of contribution.
Gates programming was an embarrassing game.
His post MS legacy will eclipse the decade of antitrust abuse, but it will not be forgotten by those of us that lived through this period.
Using your extensive knowledge of MS R&D I predict you'll finally be the one to end my search. There must be at least 8 billion examples a year for decades;-)
There can be no doubting their commericial success. But jobs frustration, express on many occasions, is the lack of contribution.
Gates programming was an embarrassing game.
His post MS legacy will eclipse the decade of antitrust abuse, but it will not be forgotten by those of us that lived through this period.
Using your extensive knowledge of MS R&D I predict you'll finally be the one to end my search. There must be at least 8 billion examples a year for decades;-)
i was genuinely sad at Steve's passing and I am certain i will feel just as much sadness hopefully in MANY MANY years when Bill passes. both changed the world in different ways.
..."shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas."
Did Jobs God-complex allow him to ever think anybody else is capable of inventing anything? Hubris!
I can't believe I am defending MS, but I had enough of the Cult!
Did Jobs God-complex allow him to ever think anybody else is capable of inventing anything? Hubris!
I can't believe I am defending MS, but I had enough of the Cult!
Indeed! For this reason, I admire Bill a thousand times more than I admire Steve.
@rman667
A lot of the MS culture that Gates inspired came from the courtroom, MS v Netscape. Some of the things said and done were quite horrible. Gates and Co. had no shame ripping off and destroying a smaller competitor, who brought the internet to the masses. This was the most shameless behavior of a monopolist who ran out of ideas and the only weapon they knew how to use was their deep pockets...
A lot of the MS culture that Gates inspired came from the courtroom, MS v Netscape. Some of the things said and done were quite horrible. Gates and Co. had no shame ripping off and destroying a smaller competitor, who brought the internet to the masses. This was the most shameless behavior of a monopolist who ran out of ideas and the only weapon they knew how to use was their deep pockets...
I respect Bill Gates and Microsoft and Apple equally. Both firms offer essential products for the work I and millions of others do day-in and day out.
@jlionz
Both have changed the world for the better.
I do not have equal respect for Gates and Jobs. Gates has gone on to change the world for the better. Jobs has simply oozed hatred.
It is important to realize that the company and the men are different entities. Hating MS and loving Apple like many on ZDNet do doesn't mean that you have to have the same opinions of the men that once led these companies.
Both have changed the world for the better.
I do not have equal respect for Gates and Jobs. Gates has gone on to change the world for the better. Jobs has simply oozed hatred.
It is important to realize that the company and the men are different entities. Hating MS and loving Apple like many on ZDNet do doesn't mean that you have to have the same opinions of the men that once led these companies.
@toddybottom Well said. I totally agree. I take back some of my previous post. You are exactly right, and snarking Apple OR Microsoft does no one any favors.
Gates is a kind and generous man. A man of high characters will not replied to some attacks like Job's. I do not see or hear of any charity or poor people Mr. job supported. Usually, people who attack others are often unsecure.
@mat3509st
Yes, I'd love to hear where Jobs' billions are going. I already know how Gates is spending his money.
Yes, I'd love to hear where Jobs' billions are going. I already know how Gates is spending his money.
@mat3509st
Jobs actually cut Apples' support of charities, he never liked them, he was not a philanthrope like Bill and never cared of the welfare of the poor. He even told Obama to cut down on helping the poor and to focus more on businesses, i am paraphrasing but in general that's what he meant. I sometimes wonder if all those people who adore him really know him for what he was i.e a fraud.
Jobs actually cut Apples' support of charities, he never liked them, he was not a philanthrope like Bill and never cared of the welfare of the poor. He even told Obama to cut down on helping the poor and to focus more on businesses, i am paraphrasing but in general that's what he meant. I sometimes wonder if all those people who adore him really know him for what he was i.e a fraud.
A lot of people here that need a history lesson. Giving away a small portion of his ill gotten Gates doesn't even come close to undoing all the evil Gates and Microsoft have done.
@gcrain@...
WoW. Making an OS for the planet and democratising computers is evil, while making luxury toys for the well off is good. What color is the sky in your world?
WoW. Making an OS for the planet and democratising computers is evil, while making luxury toys for the well off is good. What color is the sky in your world?
While Steve Jobs did a great many things for technology in the world he has always been very critical of his competitors to the point where if it was not Apple it was crap. I always found this to be a sign of his own insecurity that he was covering up by being a jerk. The list of companies he has attacked is a mile long and while some of it is justified most of it is done in a very immature and tasteless manner.
Gates is unimaginative:
1. DOS was not invented by MS, it was purchased by MS.
2. After Apple hired MS to do some work MS proceeded to steal many of the features of Apple's OS. Apple sued and WON, but because the court systems at the time were not up on such new technology and intellectual laws Apple was only awarded $1.00 in punitive damages.
3. Due to mismanagement Apple was nearly bankrupt and because the newly arrived Job's iMac were not guaranteed to be a success, Apple allowed MS to "invest" money in Apple. Of course in in exchange MS got to license certain Apple technologies, such as the whole drag and drop technology, into Windows. Strange how MS does not tell that every copy of Windows sold since the 1998-99 era is better because it incorporates Apple technology in it.
MS is not based in innovation - its based upon buying companies and technology that others develope and then screwing it up, LOL. Seriously I've got like 10 year Apple old Macs here on which I can run three operating systems at once - Mac X, Classic, and Windows XP - yet a modern Windows computer can't do this?
Just look at the Windows operating system - its over a million lines of code - there's crap in there that they do not know what it does any more.
1. DOS was not invented by MS, it was purchased by MS.
2. After Apple hired MS to do some work MS proceeded to steal many of the features of Apple's OS. Apple sued and WON, but because the court systems at the time were not up on such new technology and intellectual laws Apple was only awarded $1.00 in punitive damages.
3. Due to mismanagement Apple was nearly bankrupt and because the newly arrived Job's iMac were not guaranteed to be a success, Apple allowed MS to "invest" money in Apple. Of course in in exchange MS got to license certain Apple technologies, such as the whole drag and drop technology, into Windows. Strange how MS does not tell that every copy of Windows sold since the 1998-99 era is better because it incorporates Apple technology in it.
MS is not based in innovation - its based upon buying companies and technology that others develope and then screwing it up, LOL. Seriously I've got like 10 year Apple old Macs here on which I can run three operating systems at once - Mac X, Classic, and Windows XP - yet a modern Windows computer can't do this?
Just look at the Windows operating system - its over a million lines of code - there's crap in there that they do not know what it does any more.
@WindowsSucks
Yes and the Original Apple OS GUI for Apple/Mac was purchased from Xerox.... So What.
You got proof that the drag and drop technology in Windows 98+ is from Apple?
Apple buys companies too for their technologies just as much as the next guy. Look at Siri. Apple did not invent this. They bought it and immediately killed all development for non-apple products and even will not allow it to work on previous models even though it did before.
As far as your comment goes about running multiple OSes at one time I have to say you are just plain stupid. Let's forget the fact that you cannot run MacOS on a non-Apple branded computer for a minute. I know people that have their computers set up triple or even quadruple boot with a Hackintosh, Windows 7, and a couple forms of Linux. Then I know people that have them running in separate VMs.
You are just another ignorant troll that has no idea what you are talking about.
Yes and the Original Apple OS GUI for Apple/Mac was purchased from Xerox.... So What.
You got proof that the drag and drop technology in Windows 98+ is from Apple?
Apple buys companies too for their technologies just as much as the next guy. Look at Siri. Apple did not invent this. They bought it and immediately killed all development for non-apple products and even will not allow it to work on previous models even though it did before.
As far as your comment goes about running multiple OSes at one time I have to say you are just plain stupid. Let's forget the fact that you cannot run MacOS on a non-Apple branded computer for a minute. I know people that have their computers set up triple or even quadruple boot with a Hackintosh, Windows 7, and a couple forms of Linux. Then I know people that have them running in separate VMs.
You are just another ignorant troll that has no idea what you are talking about.
@WindowsSucks
It is sad that people like you and mrdrabik are so prevalent here on ZDNet. You are a blight on humanity.
It is sad that people like you and mrdrabik are so prevalent here on ZDNet. You are a blight on humanity.
@WindowsSucks
I tri boot unbutu/7/and Hackintosh on my Dell + I run 4 Windows 2008 servers VM's in the 7 image. I also engineered a 700 Citrix VM Windows server 2008 environment that I can actively provision and deploy patches to on the fly. I also have 500 physical servers hosting apps for thelargest healthcare system in South Texas and there isn't one with Apples Server OS on it...Huh. Apple is for dummies, mindless youtube lovers who think they are techies because the bought something not learned something
I tri boot unbutu/7/and Hackintosh on my Dell + I run 4 Windows 2008 servers VM's in the 7 image. I also engineered a 700 Citrix VM Windows server 2008 environment that I can actively provision and deploy patches to on the fly. I also have 500 physical servers hosting apps for thelargest healthcare system in South Texas and there isn't one with Apples Server OS on it...Huh. Apple is for dummies, mindless youtube lovers who think they are techies because the bought something not learned something
Yes, Gates has shamelessly ripped off other's ideas - there's no doubt about that - he's and Microsoft have been sue enough. Trouble was the courts weren't tech-savvy enough way back in the late 80's to the mid-90's to stop him before first MS-DOS weaseled it's way into becoming the standard. After all most user could care less what the O/S - just as long as they can do their work; or play games; or communicate. It doesn't to them if they've been technologically sodomized starting with MS-DOS 1.0 in 1985. Billy Boy knew the key; it's exactly why is this happened: Stevie tried held tenaciously to premium cost of Apple products -he believed had the product (he did) and people would flock to quality, but Billy Boy, despite being a Geek, understood market tactics and thrall people would have with technology. He allowed his systems to be licensed starting with IMB clones that worked (enough for users of the time) and were cheap to buy. He used the public as his main beta-testers - which Microsoft still does. Gates was, and remains, a thief - but a clever thief. He got to be a very rich man due to that - so Steve Jobs, even posthumously can say whatever wants -Billy then and now is laughing all the way to the bank.
@mrdrabik
stop getting your spittle on my computer screen
stop getting your spittle on my computer screen
@mrdrabik
Quality - DOS just worked was simple and was passed around as a standard.
While Gates took the idea of a gui, that many had actually, Steve jobs thought that his STOLEN IDEA FROM PARCs ( along with the same engineers he hired from them as well) was his idea alone. In fact, Steve jobs probably thought that he should have patented the word GUI.
Gates probably laughed at that notion, created his own GUI, and yes allowed anyone, any hardware access to it. Jobs was a greedy douche that wanted to make money, as much of it as possible, off as many sheep as possible. Gates just wanted everyone and anyone to be able to work with his OS - he'd make money off of it later when everyone was using it. His idea worked.
Only a envious cry baby would claim that someone that out-thought him , was a "theif"
Quality - DOS just worked was simple and was passed around as a standard.
While Gates took the idea of a gui, that many had actually, Steve jobs thought that his STOLEN IDEA FROM PARCs ( along with the same engineers he hired from them as well) was his idea alone. In fact, Steve jobs probably thought that he should have patented the word GUI.
Gates probably laughed at that notion, created his own GUI, and yes allowed anyone, any hardware access to it. Jobs was a greedy douche that wanted to make money, as much of it as possible, off as many sheep as possible. Gates just wanted everyone and anyone to be able to work with his OS - he'd make money off of it later when everyone was using it. His idea worked.
Only a envious cry baby would claim that someone that out-thought him , was a "theif"
@JABBER_WOLF
"Gates probably laughed at that notion, created his own GUI, and yes allowed anyone, any hardware access to it."
Created his own GUI? Really? What he (well, actually Microsoft) did was collaborate with IBM to create OS/2. Then, in the 11th hour, Microsoft pulled out of the OS/2 project and released Windows 95 with a LOT of similarity, right down to some file names.
And tell me just how he allowed anyone access to it? One never could examine the code. And while they did publish API's, their own software always seemed to work better. Many speculated that perhaps the published API list was incomplete, but who really knows since the code is not open to anyone else.
@n.gurr
The story you point to was for MS to release some Windows Server 2000 code to the EU... in 2006 (!) due to noncompliance with the EU decision in 2004.
And yes, as I stated, OS/2 was a joint product and was supposed to be released shortly after Microsoft STUNNED IBM with its Windows 95 release. Who knows how much code was "shared"?
"Gates probably laughed at that notion, created his own GUI, and yes allowed anyone, any hardware access to it."
Created his own GUI? Really? What he (well, actually Microsoft) did was collaborate with IBM to create OS/2. Then, in the 11th hour, Microsoft pulled out of the OS/2 project and released Windows 95 with a LOT of similarity, right down to some file names.
And tell me just how he allowed anyone access to it? One never could examine the code. And while they did publish API's, their own software always seemed to work better. Many speculated that perhaps the published API list was incomplete, but who really knows since the code is not open to anyone else.
@n.gurr
The story you point to was for MS to release some Windows Server 2000 code to the EU... in 2006 (!) due to noncompliance with the EU decision in 2004.
And yes, as I stated, OS/2 was a joint product and was supposed to be released shortly after Microsoft STUNNED IBM with its Windows 95 release. Who knows how much code was "shared"?
Microsoft have release at least some of their source code. Please see the attached link. I believe that (although I cannot verify this) they allow any of the major oems to have their code.
OS/2 was a joint product, after MS pulled out both companies had the benefit from their joint work, although MS had the established market position as a seller of OS's and brand to sell well and IBM did not.
hardware independence has traditionally been one of the most significant of Microsoft's strengths and allowed the democratization through the ability to release cheap computers.
Many of the comments on here are just full of spite, please respect both men's legacy and judge them with out hatred - it only makes both positions look immature.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/jan06/01-25EUSourceCodePR.mspx
OS/2 was a joint product, after MS pulled out both companies had the benefit from their joint work, although MS had the established market position as a seller of OS's and brand to sell well and IBM did not.
hardware independence has traditionally been one of the most significant of Microsoft's strengths and allowed the democratization through the ability to release cheap computers.
Many of the comments on here are just full of spite, please respect both men's legacy and judge them with out hatred - it only makes both positions look immature.
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/jan06/01-25EUSourceCodePR.mspx
@mrdrabik
All your posts tells us is that you are a jealous person, upset that while others changed the world, you have nothing but contempt for those that have.
I like how you don't let a little things like fact and history get in the way of a good rant.
All your posts tells us is that you are a jealous person, upset that while others changed the world, you have nothing but contempt for those that have.
I like how you don't let a little things like fact and history get in the way of a good rant.
@MN Lost Boy
Conan: What gods do you pray to?
Subotai: I pray to the four winds... and you?
Conan: To Crom... but I seldom pray to him, he doesn't listen.
Subotai: [chuckles] What good is he then? Ah, it's just as I've always said.
Conan: He is strong! If I die, I have to go before him, and he will ask me, "What is the riddle of steel?" If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me. That's Crom, strong on his mountain!
Subotai: Ah, my god is greater.
Conan: [chuckles] Crom laughs at your four winds. He laughs from his mountain.
Subotai: My god is stronger. He is the everlasting sky! Your god lives underneath him.
[Conan shoots Subotai a skeptical look. Subotai laughs]
Conan: What gods do you pray to?
Subotai: I pray to the four winds... and you?
Conan: To Crom... but I seldom pray to him, he doesn't listen.
Subotai: [chuckles] What good is he then? Ah, it's just as I've always said.
Conan: He is strong! If I die, I have to go before him, and he will ask me, "What is the riddle of steel?" If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me. That's Crom, strong on his mountain!
Subotai: Ah, my god is greater.
Conan: [chuckles] Crom laughs at your four winds. He laughs from his mountain.
Subotai: My god is stronger. He is the everlasting sky! Your god lives underneath him.
[Conan shoots Subotai a skeptical look. Subotai laughs]
In my humble opinion, much can be summed up in this:
Microsoft empowered many people by allowing them to have cheap access to good technology which made their lives better, apple made toys (and I dont deny their quality)for only those who could pay a premium.
Microsoft empowered many people by allowing them to have cheap access to good technology which made their lives better, apple made toys (and I dont deny their quality)for only those who could pay a premium.
Hey EtienneChristophe you do realize that every singe copy of Windows has had Apple licensed technology in it for over 10 years now? Strange how MS does not tell you that its its commercials.
Look up Bill Gates arrest photo on Google - stole his own parent's credit card. Then went on to con people out of their technology - research IBM. Research Apple vs MS lawsuit - MS found guilty!. Research so called Apple & MS technology sharing agreement.
Look up Bill Gates arrest photo on Google - stole his own parent's credit card. Then went on to con people out of their technology - research IBM. Research Apple vs MS lawsuit - MS found guilty!. Research so called Apple & MS technology sharing agreement.
@WindowsSucks
So Gates is a thief for licensing technology? Isn't that legal?
Remember Jobs stole money from Wozniak when Jobs worked at Atari. Look THAT up.
Oh, and your hero Jobs denied he fathered a child. Where does that rank on your list of ethical behavior?
So Gates is a thief for licensing technology? Isn't that legal?
Remember Jobs stole money from Wozniak when Jobs worked at Atari. Look THAT up.
Oh, and your hero Jobs denied he fathered a child. Where does that rank on your list of ethical behavior?
@WindowsSucks Bill Gates was detained for speeding. Bill Gates did not con anybody. Steve Jobs feels that if he pioneered something, he should be the only one with it. Case in point, iOS vs Android. When Microsoft came with the Windows GUI, Steve felt that Microsoft ripped them off because they had early access to the Mac. When in fact, both Jobs and Gates visited Xerox Parc, in fact, Gates even bought a Xerox Alto for his employees to experiment with just to get the germ of the idea of what he wanted in Windows. Its just coincidence both were in the same ball park and the same time.
@WindowsSucks
for many years and yet does not tell you that its its commercials.
What do you make of that?
for many years and yet does not tell you that its its commercials.
What do you make of that?
Yes, Gates has shamelessly ripped off other's ideas - there's no doubt about that - he's and Microsoft have been sued so much it's like the MS lawyers piratically live there. Trouble was the courts weren't tech-savvy enough way back in the late 80's to the mid-90's to stop him before first MS-DOS and then Windows weaseled it's way into becoming the standard. After all most users could care less what the O/S they use (much less tell anyone what it is) - just as long as they can do their work; or play games; or communicate. It doesn't matter to them if they've been technologically sodomized starting with MS-DOS 1.0 in 1985. Billy Boy knew the key; and the article says it's exactly why it was: Stevie tried held tenaciously to premium cost of Apple products -he believed had the superior product (he did) and people would flock to quality and nearly drove Apple out of business. Billy Boy, however, despite being a Geek, understood market tactics and the thrall people would have with technology. He allowed his systems to be licensed then installed on IBM clones that worked (enough for users of the time) and were cheap to buy. He used the public as his main beta-testers - which Microsoft still does. Gates was, and remains, a thief - but a clever thief. He got to be a very rich man due to that - so Steve Jobs, even posthumously, can say whatever wants. 'Cause Billy then was and now is laughing all the way to the bank.
Steve stole from PAR, not just the idea, but the programmers FROM PARC, and also have others build it.
Steve stole from linux GUIs - oh and since his old OS died ( the one he didnt write anyway) - he used BSD Darin and a BeOS gui.
Oh but Steve Jobs accuses others of ripping off other people's ideas.
Steve stole from linux GUIs - oh and since his old OS died ( the one he didnt write anyway) - he used BSD Darin and a BeOS gui.
Oh but Steve Jobs accuses others of ripping off other people's ideas.
@JABBER_WOLF, jobs LICENSED the Xerox designs.
So, many of you are saying that job's didn't actually "invent" any of his products. You would be technically right. But would any of those things be the same today if Steve Job's hadn't improved them in the way he did? Heck No! Smart phones for example, before the iphone were NOTHING like they are today. I think it's pretty safe to say Job's invented the smartphone as we know it today, same thing with the tablet AND probably even the computer. (The MAC was like nothing else before it, and it was HIS vision)
@RHerbert252
All Apple did was take what Palm had and cleaned it up.
All Apple did was take what Palm had and cleaned it up.
@RHerbert252
He dumbed down the palm and windows mobile for the masses. thats all, then he made a big iPhone without the phone. As far as computers go, MAC's are now PC's built on widely accepted PC ifrastructure. Just like DEll , hp, etc. Not to mention MAC's hold only 15% of the market, that means windows hold the other 85%
He dumbed down the palm and windows mobile for the masses. thats all, then he made a big iPhone without the phone. As far as computers go, MAC's are now PC's built on widely accepted PC ifrastructure. Just like DEll , hp, etc. Not to mention MAC's hold only 15% of the market, that means windows hold the other 85%
@RHerbert252
Umm the Apple Lisa was made to copy the Xerox Parc system and the Mac was salvaged from that piece of nearly unusable tech. Oh and unlike you I played with the Xerox Parc system and the Apple Lisa and the first Mac, but saw the benefits of MS and Windows instead. So sorry, the Mac was like things before.
Now as I use a WP7 phone that's thankfully skipped Apple's crowded desktop of static icons - you can always tell an iOs user - they're the one flicking sideways multiple times with a puzzled look on their face, trying to find an app for a function WP7 has built in. I believe the Apple volume button now doubles as a camera button - now there's great design.
And as I wave at my Kinect, I'm glad I saw through the reality distortion field. No matter, some people like antiques, I prefer modern devices
Umm the Apple Lisa was made to copy the Xerox Parc system and the Mac was salvaged from that piece of nearly unusable tech. Oh and unlike you I played with the Xerox Parc system and the Apple Lisa and the first Mac, but saw the benefits of MS and Windows instead. So sorry, the Mac was like things before.
Now as I use a WP7 phone that's thankfully skipped Apple's crowded desktop of static icons - you can always tell an iOs user - they're the one flicking sideways multiple times with a puzzled look on their face, trying to find an app for a function WP7 has built in. I believe the Apple volume button now doubles as a camera button - now there's great design.
And as I wave at my Kinect, I'm glad I saw through the reality distortion field. No matter, some people like antiques, I prefer modern devices
Bill Gates and Steve Jobs knew each other for a very long time. There is no way that anything that has "come to light" from Jobs' biography is a surprise to Gates. I am sure Bill has heard everything said about him the book many times before. Great things can be said about both men and so can some bad things. There is nothing Jobs could accuse Gates of, that couldn't be said about himself as well.
I believe both men became each other's Yin & Yang. They historically became each other's best friend at times probably cause they had common problems.
They were worst enemies at times cause their personalities were so different. One would make decisions differently that the other couldn't understand, and
they clashed over it. They had their differences but they understood each other
in a way we "other" mortals will never know. Would we love Spock so much without James Kirk ? I know we are ALL better for having both men in our time!
They were worst enemies at times cause their personalities were so different. One would make decisions differently that the other couldn't understand, and
they clashed over it. They had their differences but they understood each other
in a way we "other" mortals will never know. Would we love Spock so much without James Kirk ? I know we are ALL better for having both men in our time!
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