HTML editor dumps 'HTML5' for HTML
Summary: HTML 5 now HTML says WHATWG just two days after the World Wide Web Consortium debuted a flashy new HTML 5 badge.
The editor of the Hypertext Markup Language standard has dumped the term 'HTML 5', just two days after the World Wide Web Consortium debuted a flashy new HTML 5 badge. HTML 5 now HTML says WHATWG
"HTML is the new HTML 5," Ian Hickson, of the Web Hypertext Application Working Group (WHATWG), said in a blog post on Wednesday. The announcement embodies a more continuous development process that Hickson has been planning for more than a year. However, Hickson told CNET News that the World Wide Web Consortium's (W3C) HTML 5 logo hastened a change that had been planned for later in 2011.
"Now even the W3C is saying 'HTML 5' means everything from CSS to font formats, so advocates really were left without anything to specifically refer to HTML. So we asked around, and the objections to the rename were much reduced already, even compared to a week ago, so we went for it," Hickson said. The demise of the HTML 5 label will only affect one of the two groups that oversees HTML's development, however, as the W3C remains attached to the term.
For more on this story, see HTML editor dumps 'HTML5' even as W3C touts it on CNET News.
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RE: HTML editor dumps 'HTML5' for HTML
That will not happen for a very long time.
Look at how many large companies are still using cobal. And it has not updated majorly since 1965
After the 1960s, COBOL had two major updates: 1974 & 1985
However, since HTML is the topic of the discussion, my take on it is that, HTML doesn't need a name change and HTML is fine.
And, since it's being referred to as including CSS and even a bit of scripting, perhaps the name should be change altogether to iAPI, or "Internet Application Programming Interface".
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Yeah. That and the fact that there is a COBOL.NET to write such apps for the .NET framework. Darn thing just won't die. :)
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The idiots in charge of the standards need to stop confusing established names. HTML is HTML, CSS is CSS, etc. No need to make a mess of everything by now declaring that HTML is HTML, CSS, and scripting. Heck, why stop there? Let's lump all backend code, images, and databases into the term as well.
winpho: What's wrong with setting a standard for the whole internet
With HTML alone (or HTML5, if you wish), there will still be a need for dressing up the presentation with CSS (CSS3 soon to be the standard), and with dynamic pages, there will have to be scripting of some sort, whether JScript or VBScript.net or PHP or anything else. But, certain functions for scripting will have to be standardized, and that might mean one scripting language for those specific functions.
So, if we're headed towards HTML5 with CSS3 and a certain amount standard functions that need scripting, why not come up with ONE standard that all webpage presentations need to follow? Don't we already have a lot of fragmentation with so many different standards?
The name for the standard is the least of the problems. So, don't get all worked up about the little things.
True...
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RE: HTML editor dumps 'HTML5' for HTML
And today Apple could just buy Dell, shut it down and return the money to shareholders..
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You do realize that end users aren't the ones who make such decisions, don't you? And that iOS isn't the only big force in the world of IT? That kind of thinking is rather myopic.
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Your very statement the iOS isn't the only big force in the world of IT speaks volumes.
iOS is an OS for personal devices. To even think of it as a big thing in the world of IT just illustrates that it's influence is massively above what anyone would expect from something designed to make your MP3 player and your phone work!!!
Hasam1991 may just be right - iOS may eventually have enough influence to cause flash to not be worth using. I don't think it has got to that stage yet, but it might soon.
I don't think MS is particularly fond of Flash either, why do you think they introduced silverlight?
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Precisely.
Companies like Dell tend to sell products that their users ask for rather than trying to blaze trails for the hell of it.
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I don't think they removed floppy drives from Macs for enterprise users - but then I don't think floppy drives had much effect on enterprise users either.
1. Enterprise users are not the world - sorry IT departments, but many humans use computers, and wish to do so without your control.
2. Lack of floppy drives increases security in enterprise situations, most decent IT departments would not be asking users to exchange files on floppy disks in enterprise environments. And most would prefer that users did not place disks in their PCs.
3. Floppy drives were still available for those who needed them.
What do you mean for the hell of it? I have a PC with a floppy drive - never used the floppy drive - it is just a waste of money and electricity. Why does every PC need something that does not get used, and what's more does not have the capacity to store anything worth storing?
This trail-blazing is the same trail blazing as the release of the iPad, widely criticised for being useless and look what happens? How many other companies are now replicating this useless trail-blazing?
Also - give me a list of which Dell models include a Floppy Drive? If Apple was wrong, and Dell and it's customers were right, where do I buy one of these?
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Yeah, and it will be ratified and completed when? In 2019? Flash till then...
There is no standard for regular HTML yet.
Did you ever try to browse internet from mobile device? It is misery experience. Everybody develop specialised clients in device related framework.
So it would be the same, Microsoft solutions would dominate PC market. Android and IPhone applications would stay at mobile. Forget about HTML5. It is more real that RSS would be a primary standard on the web, pritty soon, since it allow client make its own decitions about layout.
Ha-Ha ...
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RE: HTML editor dumps 'HTML5' for HTML
Browsing internet from my iPad and iPhone is not a misery at all, it works well and my friends are all slowly moving their habits to using their iPhone as their primary internet access device.
Yes, maybe HTML 5 will end up with the same mess as we have now - but it will be a little better, and the UI will be better for the user.
Mobile devices are meant to be updated, some may not be updated without being replaced, but in this country it is normal for users to upgrade every 2 years and the carriers encourage this because it means re-signing contracts.
Most mobile browsers are Webkit based and so there is a lot of standardisation around HTML 5 on mobiles.
Iphone apps can be very easily ported to Mac desktops, iOS and OS X are very much the same, usually porting will require rethinking for the window and Menu interface, and mouse rather than touch, but most of the frameworks will be there.
Do you really think that without HTML 5 the web development world is a simple place?
I just wish people would stop confusing...
Wow, i went off topic, stupid ranting.
Back on topic, IMO it's easier to develop to a snapshot standard rather than a so called living document. That way i can be sure what all browsers support, rather than the current nightmare of going through every single browser to see if my code works.
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