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LHC steps closer to discoveries on antimatter

Tom Espiner ZDNet UK | April 23, 2010 5:13 AM PDT

Summary

The first particle has been detected in a Large Hadron Collider experiment that hopes to shed light on the nature of interactions between matter and antimatter.
The first particle has been detected in a Large Hadron Collider experiment that hopes to shed light on the nature of interactions between matter and antimatter.

LHCb — an experiment set up to explore what happened in the moments immediately after the Big Bang — on Wednesday found a particle called a beauty or bottom quark. Cern scientists have a wishlist of particles they want to measure in the experiment, and the beauty quark is the first on the list that they have found.

The detection is a step on the road to the possible discovery of new particles or interactions between particles, said Cern physicist Christine Sutton. Beauty particles were first discovered in 1977.

"This is like the first cake off the production line," Sutton told ZDNet UK on Thursday."Being able to identify particles you know and love is important, as it demonstrates how well your experiment is working. It gives you a sound foundation when you say you think you've found something new."

For more on this story, read LHC steps closer to discoveries on antimatter on CNET News.

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It will all end up 'inconclusive'
Gaius_Maximus 28th Apr 2010
The real target of the LHC is the Higgs Boson, aka the God particle, which supposedly lends mass to the larger particles. And this is because that without it, an awful lot of other theories are either disproved, or are at least left still just theories.

But so many researchers are so dependent on so many grants, that they can't allow themselves to become unemployed by a lack of support for the current model/regime.

So, instead, a lot of other 'successes' are going to be trotted out of the LHC in order to direct attention away from its actual failure, and away from the fact that current theories remain just that.

And, as long as those theories remain without 'proof', money can continue to be made searching for it that would be better spent throwing out the current theories, and looking for the right answers.

And those right answers will never be found trying to reconcile Einstein and Bohr, but in admitting that there's something else that has been overlooked. And that because, as yet, we have no way of detecting or measuring it. And that because of our empirically-oriented 'sciences' blind insistence that what they aren't aware of not only has no bearing, but does not even exist.

Once we get past that, we may well find that the Greeks were right about the Ether after all, or that there's something else altogether behind the universe than we ever imagined.

But it's sure not the Higgs Boson!

And the LHC will never find it.
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priceless
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Which do you suppose?
Bill4 23rd Apr 2010
That it will be quick and painless, or that time dilation will make spaghettification eternally agonizing?
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Too much Sci Fi
Larsix 23rd Apr 2010
Time dilation is merely an appearance to an outside observer. Meaning anyone relatively farther away will see you getting slower and slower as you approach the singularity, but you would get sucked in at full speed.
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Still have trouble with the concept
mykmlr@... 23rd Apr 2010
So, a thing approaches the event horizon, achieves light speed / zero time, and halts there.
Then it 'fades'? What's up with THAT?
If time is stopped, the object cannot 'fade' there is no time, it doesn't move (at the quantum level)
Saying this occurs BEFORE the event horizon might make some sense, except the 'fade' cannot occur on a single quantum - event (as everything pretty much is after spagettification).
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At least go in head first
ESoyke 23rd Apr 2010
A quicker end one would hope.
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Excellent foresight!
kevinm@... 23rd Apr 2010
Going head first should also give enough time to kiss your @rse goodbye
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Beyond that...
dave@... 23rd Apr 2010
If mankind is to ever survive we need to expand beyond this rock. Either a natural disaster or our own meddling could eventually kill us off. If this leads to things like faster than the speed of light travel, fusion energy then let's move forward with caution.

Think about this carefully but note that I'm ignoring religion and any god form that you believe in. The dinosaurs had their chance. This is our chance to show the universe that we are a viable lifeform. If we blow it and wipe ourselves out, the universe won't care and will not shed a single tear. We will just be another "had your chance".
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Yeah the great closed mindedness of society that has in history stopped many great inventions, and technologies. Similar utterances were recorded for the first Wright brothers flight. I say go ahead, wow we need new technology, the current fuels and other technologies in use are complete failures, we need something radically new, and fast. If this can even give the slightest glimmer of better technology it will benefit everyone.
For starters, even if it were possible to make a black hole of the type (and there are many) that could harm us, it would be very very small. Small enough to not be able to suck in a whole atom, although there is a risk it might be strong enough to bleed off the electrons orbiting it. Scary...

Secondly, ever look up much? Wear a pair of shades, because reactions of the power and scale of the LHC are going on all the time in our nearest stellar neighbour, the sun. Loads of them, all in parallel all of the time. Our sun has a limited life, although its an eternity to us eventually it will die. However, even though its death will absorb most of the matter in the solar system it still cant attain enough MASS to make a cosmic black hole. How do you expect a tiny machine with 2 protons as fuel to make one? It does sound kind of impossible when you see it like that.

Finally, those black holes of other types... A cosmic black hole has a total event horizon, even the space-time continuum is bent as the core is so dense the gravity twists matter and energy to the point where they fall back in on themselves.
As the density of a stellar object approaches what is required to form a total event horizon you will get a range of effects - bending of light, gravity shear in matter, time dilation; all are possible with a partial material interface, the Event Horizon.
In short, it takes galactic quantities of matter to form a total horizon. Not possible on Earth.

If you dont want to understand this, God help you... And I mean no disrespect there either.

Peace
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I agree. These theories that the world is going to be sucked up by black holes created by the large hadron collider were almost definately made up by either someone who doesn't understand even the basic concept of what it is, and who doesn't even know what a black hole is or how they form, or by someone who is strongly against the large hadron collider being in use (possibly without even knowing what it is), and so making up stuff they don't understand, thinking that it sounds smart so that people believe them.
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LHC NOT like the Big Bang.
vbprgrmr@... 25th Apr 2010
The descriptions of the experiments by the scientists are part of the problem.

When the scientists say they are trying to duplicate the conditions of the Big Bang, they really are not. The energies of the LHC collisions are only equivalent to about 350 pounds of TNT. While the energy of the Big Bang was equal to all the energy of all the stars and galaxies in the universe.

So its difficult to believe that such little energies could cause a global impact.

At the same time, Madam Curie did not realize the dangers of the Radium that would kill her.

The Manhattan Project scientists underestimated the power of the Atomic Bomb up to 90% and underestimated the power of the Hydrogen Bomb by 50%. The Hydrogen Bomb miscalculations killed some innocent fishermen and accidentally contaminated an island village.

I hope the LHC physicists know what they are doing. I hope strangelets or long-lasting black holes can't be created. It would be horrific if one day, we hear the words. "OOOPS!" "Um, Houston we have a problem."
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It will all end up 'inconclusive'
Gaius_Maximus 28th Apr 2010
The real target of the LHC is the Higgs Boson, aka the God particle, which supposedly lends mass to the larger particles. And this is because that without it, an awful lot of other theories are either disproved, or are at least left still just theories.

But so many researchers are so dependent on so many grants, that they can't allow themselves to become unemployed by a lack of support for the current model/regime.

So, instead, a lot of other 'successes' are going to be trotted out of the LHC in order to direct attention away from its actual failure, and away from the fact that current theories remain just that.

And, as long as those theories remain without 'proof', money can continue to be made searching for it that would be better spent throwing out the current theories, and looking for the right answers.

And those right answers will never be found trying to reconcile Einstein and Bohr, but in admitting that there's something else that has been overlooked. And that because, as yet, we have no way of detecting or measuring it. And that because of our empirically-oriented 'sciences' blind insistence that what they aren't aware of not only has no bearing, but does not even exist.

Once we get past that, we may well find that the Greeks were right about the Ether after all, or that there's something else altogether behind the universe than we ever imagined.

But it's sure not the Higgs Boson!

And the LHC will never find it.

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