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Mozilla tries Firefox recipe with Thunderbird

Stephen Shankland | September 17, 2007 12:00 AM PDT

Summary

The Mozilla Foundation is funding a subsidiary to improve the open-source e-mail software. Will more plug-ins and a universal mailbox come next?
Mozilla wants to reproduce the Firefox Web browser's success with Thunderbird, its open-source e-mail software.

In 2005, the Mozilla Foundation set up a corporation to run elements of the Firefox Web browser operation. Now it's doing the same with Thunderbird, providing the as-yet-unnamed subsidiary with $3 million and beginning plans to significantly expand its programming staff, said Mozilla Chief Executive Mitchell Baker.

"We're increasing Mozilla's focus with people and money, and we're hoping to use that to create something better, much as we do in the Firefox space...for everyone interested in Internet and e-mail communications," Baker said.

David Ascher, currently chief technology officer at ActiveState and a longtime Mozilla community member, will become the new e-mail corporation's CEO.

Firefox, a rejuvenated incarnation of the original Netscape Navigator Web browser, has been a notable success in the open-source realm. Though it hasn't displaced the browser that largely vanquished Netscape, Microsoft's Internet Explorer, it's attained significant market share. Last week, Mozilla said there had been 400 million official downloads of Firefox, an imperfect measure of its actual use but a notably large number nonetheless.

But reproducing the scale of Firefox's success won't be as easy with Thunderbird, RedMonk analyst Stephen O'Grady said. Microsoft's Outlook is tightly tied to its widely used Exchange e-mail server software, unlike the more easily swapped-out Web browser, and much of the new e-mail development is happening in Web-based services.

"They're unlikely to displace Outlook, of course, in Exchange settings, so they'll have to depend on convincing users of Gmail or ISP (Internet service provider) e-mail...that a mail client is necessary."
--Stephen O'Grady
RedMonk analyst

"They're unlikely to displace Outlook, of course, in Exchange settings, so they'll have to depend on convincing users of Gmail or ISP (Internet service provider) e-mail...that a mail client is necessary," O'Grady said.

The new corporation will draw the two or three dedicated Thunderbird programmers out from under their current Firefox umbrella and hire new staff, Baker said. As with its sister Mozilla Corp., the foundation set up the corporation as a convenient legal mechanism to meet overall Mozilla Foundation goals, not to be a moneymaking business, she added.

The dynamic nature of the e-mail business was on display Monday when Yahoo, which operates a leading Web-based e-mail service, spent $350 million to acquire Zimbra, which develops open-source software that gives Web-based e-mail much of the feel of PC-based e-mail software. Zimbra also offers an offline version that lets people read and write e-mail from computers when they're not connected to a network, further blurring the boundaries between Web- and PC-based e-mail software.

Microsoft asserts superiority
Microsoft said competition is healthy, but it professed not to be worried about increased resources being devoted to Thunderbird.

"Businesses today require more than basic email; they need to communicate and collaborate, and this is what Outlook and Exchange Server deliver," Clint Patterson, public relations director for Microsoft's Unified Communications Group, said in a statement. As evidence, he pointed to features such as management of contacts and calendars, and access via the Web or mobile devices.

And he went a step beyond that, too, with a bolder criticism: "The open-source development model has yet to demonstrate the ability to support profitable software businesses that can drive the coordinated research and testing necessary to sustain innovation," Patterson said, pointing to hybrid business models that some start-ups use to layer proprietary extras atop open-source foundations.

Microsoft welcomed cooperation with Mozilla to make Thunderbird dovetail with Exchange, as Motorola, Palm, Nokia, Symbian, Sony-Ericsson and others have done. "Microsoft has licensing programs in place for the protocols to access Exchange Server--the Outlook-Exchange Transport Protocol and Exchange ActiveSync," Patterson said.

However, licensing such protocols is not often something that open-source software projects are at liberty to do, because of incompatibilities between the liberties granted by open-source licenses with the restrictions of Microsoft terms.

Ambitious vision
Ascher said the organization's goal isn't to come up with an Outlook replacement, and he acknowledges the utility of Web-based e-mail. But a better e-mail client serves many people's needs, and conquering the entire world of e-mail isn't the group's agenda.

"Webmail is important, and I use it all the time, but I also use a desktop client. They work together," he said. "There's definitely lots of room for both. Because we're actually at the beginning doing this for the public interest, we don't need to have 100 percent of the market."

That's not to say Ascher doesn't have grand ambitions. His vision is of a unified inbox, and the new corporation's scope is consequently deliberately very broad: "Internet communications" rather than just e-mail.

"E-mail was the killer app of the Internet," but it isn't the only form of communication, Ascher said, pointing to Internet phone calls, RSS feeds for fetching blog updates, and text messages on mobile phones. "People end up subscribing to more and more channels of communications. It makes it hard to keep track of what's going on if they have to check six different inboxes, search across a variety of systems."

And, he adds, "Webmail is easy to check anywhere, but it doesn't make it easy to manage six different accounts."

Mozilla will look at usage statistics and improved software to gauge its success. Currently, Mozilla estimates that Thunderbird, first released in 2004, has between 5 million and 10 million users.

It's a user base with quality, Ascher argues: "The fascinating thing about Thunderbird is that everybody using it now went out of their way to get it. It's not something that comes prepackaged. That 5 million people are currently using it means it has competitive edges."

Extending abilities through plug-ins
One feature that initially set Firefox apart from Internet Explorer was the fact that programmers could write new modules to extend the browser's abilities. Mozilla is working to reproduce the same vitality of the plug-in community work with Thunderbird, Ascher said.

"There is work to be done in the architecture to make it easier for developers to build those," he said. "Also, there's relatively superficial but important work to make it easier for users to find those."

The extensions work is well under way. Among those available today are Enigmail for encrypting e-mail, Webmail for harvesting e-mail from various Web-based e-mail sites, Send Later to send e-mails at a specified time in the future, Leet Key for geek-cred-enhancing text transformations, QuickMove to rapidly transfer e-mails to specified folders, and Contacts Sidebar to enable swifter access to addressees.

One big extension under development, called Penelope, endows Thunderbird with the interface of the venerable Eudora e-mail software from Qualcomm. A Penelope beta version is now available.

Talkback Most Recent of 78 Talkback(s)

  • I use Thunderbird
    Its Spam filter blows Outlook away.
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    DarthRidiculous
    18th Sep 2007
  • Ok, I feel reallly dumb here...
    ... I use Juno for everything; have since 2001 when I got my first ME machine after haitus from 386 daze.

    Other than things like a calendar, what is so "better" about Eudora, Outlook, Thunderbird, or any of the others over the Juno POP-3 system?
    I mean, I can download, read, compose, and backup all my emails - all encrypted, by the way.
    I can insert backgrounds; I can place graphics in the text rather than only sending them as attachments.

    What's more to want than that? I'm willing to improve if it's really better.
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    Media-Ted@...
    18th Sep 2007
  • Not Dumb, Just Choices
    The issue as I see it is not about smart or dumb, better or best, or any other value judgement; rather its about making choices based on what a specific individual (company, school, government, etc) wants / needs.

    For those who live their lives online, or in cyber, or in less than human-to-human modes (that's not a judgement), multiple ways of online / connectable modes are desireable. For those of us who still use landline phones, pc-based emails for sending & receiveing info, documents, photos, etc., an excellent email client is all that is necessary.

    More and more I use Thunderbird instead of a Notepad app, I dumped the fax because of quality & reception considerations, and I switch from film to digital as its the easiest way to transmit photos for news articles, in-house publications, etc.

    I choose to stay with Web 1.x - - I feel more secure that way; it doesn't make Web 2.0 bad, but its simply not my choice. I do choose OpenSource, and will probably migrate to Linux in order to get rid of Microsoft.

    Bottom line: for myself and millions of others, the computer, both hard- and soft- ware are tools to an end, and not the end unto itself. Again, these are not value judgements, but choices made based upon my individual and specific needs and desire.

    If those needs change, presumedly the tools I'll need will also change. Until then, I don't have the need, time or desire to expend my (limited) resources that way.
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    BearPup
    21st Sep 2007
  • Thanks for the encouragement. I guess what I need is...
    ... some means of comparing Juno (via ADSL) and the others.

    The one thing which has kept me with Juno is that I have never changed my address since 2001, when I sent/received my first email. That's important to me. I don't mind spending $9.95/year for their service.

    I also like being able to archive (in encrypted form) all my year's activity, including Sent, and lots of things I receive (technical articles like LockerGnome, Fred Langla {now Windows Secrets}, and all the plethora from ZD/CNet). It gives me a chance to go back and see things I may have missed, and also to make sure of what I said/sent to whom.

    I never can fully understand all I read on Eudora, Thunderbird, or any of the others. In fact, I was never able to get M$ to work for me and I tried several times in the past until just giving up and sticking with Juno.
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    Media-Ted@...
    23rd Sep 2007
  • I don't use Outlook
    I use Outlook Express though. It works well enough for me. I've tried Thunderbird and didn't care for it. Nothing particular but I didn't like it as much. I figure it's a familiarity thing. Same reason I use FireFox over IE 7, I'm more familiar with FireFox. What got me using FireFox over IE 6 was tabbed browsing.

    That's the key. You need feature that other doesn't have to over come that familiarization concept. If it just does the same thing I'm not going to learn new software to do the same thing.
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    voska
    18th Sep 2007
  • spam filtering
    One thing that TB can do that OE can't is filter spam.
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    jon.bjerke@...
    18th Sep 2007
  • Good point, just I don't need one
    My ISP has a spam filter at their server which works even better for me. So I suppose if I didn't have that Thunderbird would be worth checking out again.
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    voska
    18th Sep 2007
  • Spam filtering
    And one thing that Thunderbird cannot do, despite how many time you tell it to not filter spam, is to not filter spam. When I turn spam filtering off in Thunderbird, I want it disabled. It doesn't disable it as I keep getting my Trash filled with legitimate emails every day.
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    HiltonT
    18th Sep 2007
  • Spam Filtering
    If you want a really good spam filter, try Cloudmark. Let it see the emails before Thunderbird.
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    stand3
    18th Sep 2007
  • Spam Filtering
    I don't need a spam filter, I have one that works extremely well. My point, which I thought was clear, was that Thunderbird's spam filtering, even when you configure it to be off, remains on - totally against my wishes.
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    HiltonT
    18th Sep 2007
  • I love Thunderbird !-- Except THE spam handling
    I wish I could get Thunderbird to cull more than 10-20% of my spam. Tried restarting the Junk filter, and I am careful about marking spam as Junk (and, marking good messages as NOT junk). TB doesn't resspond/learn -- much anyway.

    I stick with TB since I still love most of the package. I just handle spam manually, not all that bad too do.

    Anybody have any suggestions?

    Thanks.
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    billmichie
    19th Sep 2007
  • IE tabbed browsing
    One thing I really hate with IEs tabbed browsing experience (while I like IE overall as a browser better than FF) is the fact that, whenever I click on the new tab button, I am greated with a page titled "You have opened a new tab", instead of my home page, and, checking the "Dont show this page again" checkbox, does nothing to prevent it from reoccurring each time I open new tabs. Will they ever fix that?
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    JonWayn
    19th Sep 2007
  • Spelling correction
    before anyone else points it out:
    Greeted, not greated
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    JonWayn
    19th Sep 2007
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    Kromaethius
    27th Sep 2007
    • Flagged
  • I like Thunderbird, but...
    I recently switched one of my Pop accounts from Thunderbird to Outlook. I didn't do it because of functionality. I didn't do it because I didn't like Thunderbird. In fact I still use Thunderbird for my others.

    The reason I switched is because some of those damn zombies out there are spamming the living crap out of people with "user-agent: thunderbird" in the header. That caused me (in my previous job), as well as many others to block it or at least quarantine it.

    The account I switched to Outlook is one that I am using on a job search and I cannot afford to have my emails blocked because of some zombie network. It sucks but what am I to do?
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    tallguy779
    18th Sep 2007

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