Touch in Windows 7: Just for show?
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There's a reason the first thing in Windows 7 that Microsoft chose to show publicly was its support for touch input.
That built-in ability to use two fingers to rotate, scroll, and zoom offers tangible proof that the operating system is different from its predecessor, not to mention being something not found on aMac.
However, many say that comparatively few Windows 7 PC owners will actually be reaching out to touch their screen. That's because, to use one's fingers in such a manner requires a screen that can support the technology--something that often adds $100 or more to the cost of a PC.
As a result, many expect touch-capable computers to be just a tiny fraction of the market for desktop and notebook computers, even after Windows 7 arrives on store shelves on October 22.
"We're thinking like 5 percent to 10 percent of shipments for 2010," said IDC analyst Richard Shim. And Shim said that, unless circumstances change, the rate isn't likely to climb significantly in the coming years.
Part of the problem is that there really isn't a killer application for touch on the PC, despite the fact that putting ones fingers on the screen has become the de facto measure of cool in the cell phone market.
It's not that there isn't interest in selling touchscreen devices. Hewlett-Packard introduced its TouchSmart all-in-one in 2007. The company now has several touch models, including both desktop and notebook machines. Dell has a Latitude notebook aimed at businesses and has also added an all-in-one with a touchscreen option.
And once Windows 7 hits the market, others will no doubt follow suit, particularly since Microsoft has done a lot of the work. Shim said he expects nearly all the major PC makers to have at least one touchscreen model when Windows 7 launches in the fall. Monitor makers are also expected to offer touchscreen displays that can plug into standard PCs.
"Touch will roll out," Microsoft Senior Vice President Bill Veghte said in an interview last week. "We'll see it in all-in-ones and we'll see it in some laptops and you will see it across the different PC markets."
But just how many of these models will actually get sold is another matter. Some reports suggest that the low-cost Netbook market could actually see things pick up fastest, given their smaller (and therefore cheaper to touch-enable) screens and the fact that people are often using them on the go, without a mouse.
Although Microsoft offers a standard interface for gestures in Windows 7, there are actually several different technologies that computer makers can use to build a touch-capable computer.
New Zealand-based NextWindow uses an optical technology in which tiny sensors are mounted on the top corners of the display and allow the fingers' positions to be captured. It is the company behind the technology used in the all-in-ones from HP and Dell.
Israel's N-Trig, meanwhile, uses capacitive resistance, the type of technology used on theiPhone to read finger input. It combines this with a second technology to also allow input from a stylus. Its technology is employed in HP and Dell laptops, and N-Trig has also received funding from Microsoft.
N-trig's dual-mode digitizer allows for both pen and touch input and is used in laptops from HP and Dell.
(Credit: N-trig)NextWindow's technology doesn't require a special coating or film on the glass, so its screens can look as bright as non-touch displays. However, because it adds a certain depth to the screen, it isn't as suited today to the notebook market.
Touch is actually not entirely new notion for Windows, although Windows 7 is the first to support using two fingers at the same time. In the early days of Vista's development, when it was still code-named Longhorn, Microsoft envisioned the tablet PC market expanding to include touch-enabled devices.
"I'm not sure that it ever delivered on that promise," said NextWindow CEO Al Monro. "There really weren't any of the (software makers) that got behind it."
Although that continues to be a challenge, Monro notes that the market has changed considerably--most notably with the introduction of Apple's iPhone.
"That really brought touch into the mainstream," Monro said.
It also broke down a psychological barrier, Monro said, the notion that computer screens were something to avoid getting one's fingers on. NextWindow has its origins making large touchscreen displays for things like retail kiosks. Not too long ago, he said, the company had to put signs near its installations that said "I'm a touch screen. Touch me."
"You had to really scream it out," he said. "Now people just expect it."
The question now is whether software makers on the PC side will embrace touch interfaces in the way that those who design software for the iPhone have done.
As is often the case with new technology, it's sort of a chicken-and-egg problem, Monro acknowledges. Software makers don't take the time to adopt touch interfaces because not enough touchscreen PCs are sold, while the PCs are a tough sell because there is not enough software.
Monro said he still doesn't have a good feel when that cycle will break. "People aren't going to buy touch screen unless there are a range of things (they can do)."
For its part, Microsoft has done a couple things. By supporting touch at the operating system level, most applications should allow touch control of at least basic functions such as resizing windows, scrolling, and moving the cursor.
The company has also created a "touch pack" that computer makers can include on their systems. The software collection includes some casual games as well as small applications that have proved popular in Microsoft's other multitouch computer--its tabletop Surface machine for restaurants, hotels, and attractions.
Monro also disputes the idea that there needs to be one killer application. Rather, he said, what the industry needs is for a variety of software makers to take the plunge. Mapping, painting, and even social networking can all be better, he said.
"There are just going to be a variety of things that are easier to do with touch," he said.
Talkback Most Recent of 13 Talkback(s)
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Absolutely Not
I have a latitude XT and have been using Touch since Vista, and it's been vastly improved with windows 7 to the point where I prefer to use my fingers to navigate the OS rather than the track pad.
With momentum scrolling, gestures, jump lists, the larger taskbar, and the new keyboard, touch is really a pleasure to use in Windows 7.
As for a killer app, I don't think we'll ever see one as much as we never saw one single killer app for the mouse. Rather we will see a slow transition where various interfaces are made more useful or natural with touch and pen inputs.
My personal "killer app" is being able to use my tablet anywhere -- standing, walking, lying down, in a cramped space; a touch interface removes the lap requirement from laptops.
MissingMatter2nd Jul 2009 -
RE: Touch in Windows 7: Just for show?
I'm reading this on a Touchsmart, sitting on a stool in my kitchen. I think touch has a place in the home, but it's a different approach to the computer, a little more casual. I can walk over and check my email without even sitting down, and then walk away. The mouse and keyboard stay stashed most of the time, and I don't have to go into "using the computer" mode or make a big time investment.
I think if people try to use a touch computer in exactly the same way as they use their existing desktops, it doesn't make sense. It's a "kiosk in the home" approach that works best. I don't think people will see that right away, so while touch has a lot of value, I do think it will take some work to show people how to use it properly.
Laptops might be a different story, too, I don't have a touch laptop so I don't know.
zdneter00002nd Jul 2009 -
Absolutely right
I've got the laptop with touchscreen and have been looking to upgrade my desktop too. Far too many folk are keen to knock this without opening
their mind first. As I said before, my PC has tons of stuff I could use but don't. I've no need for firewire but
don't defry others , likewise my graphics options. Let those that
Can use it do so. If others don't want it, who cares?
GetReal-mac.com10th Jul 2009 -
RE: Touch in Windows 7: Just for show?
What about all current users that want to try this new technology on our current systems? From what I've seen here these screen 'overlays' will cost hundreds, if not more.
To make this technology take off, would be a low cost add on for anyone's current computer monitor. Something your could attached around the edges of your screen to capture the finger movements.
Then, as the number of uses grows, the 'killer app' may appear.
I've wanted to try this 'touch screen' stuff since 'longhorn' betas were out. But there is no way to do with my 24" wide screen monitor. You could get a small 15" or 17" touch screen off ebay, but there are no drivers for them. Plus the small size kind of defeats the purpose of this new technology.
klund1@...2nd Jul 2009 -
Touch systems are available
Perhaps not upgrades for old systems - the after market overlays can be more expensive than a new touch enabled system - I've got both the large screen HP Touchsmart desktop and their TX2 touch notebook - it's become completely natural to interface via touch - when I'm on a computer without it, I often unconsciously reach up to touch the screen - Windows 7 will bring nice features but the Vista64 on both my touch machines handles the touch interface pretty nicely
archangel99992nd Jul 2009 -
Not found on a Mac?
"That built-in ability to use two fingers to rotate, scroll,
and zoom offers tangible proof that the operating system
is different from its predecessor, not to mention being
something not found on a Mac."
Sure would be great if we could use these gestures on
Macs;-)
C'mon MacBooks have these gestures and more. Again
we've been doing whilst the MSCE is talking.
I'm not a fan of a touchscreen for the input device, too
many smudge marks. I done touchscreen development with
IBM equipment for years, hint: best results don't use a
desktop interface.
For newer MacBook Pro owners enjoy:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3211
Richard Flude2nd Jul 2009 -
RE: Touch in Windows 7: Just for show?
I had touch in Vista with my HP laptop, but not now with Windows 7, and I downloaded the latest updates without improvement. I do not know how to get them back.
mickgibson04@...3rd Jul 2009 -
Is this a Man or a Woman in the video
Find it quite creepy looks like a man definitely sounds
like a man but weird name for a man and has a woman's
finger nails ?!?!?
Weird
Womper3rd Jul 2009 -
Ina Fried
Ina Fried is female...
rhoffpauir10th Jul 2009 -
RE: Touch in Windows 7: Just for show?
With so many of burned by VISTA I for one will not make the move to WIN 7. It seems you can not go from XP to 7 as it is based on VISTA so it has to live on the computer to up grade. MS has forced garbage down our throats long enough. My company needs to upgrade our computers but refused to do so as everything has VISTA. We are looking at Apple and or Linux based systems. At home I'm building the server and work stations myself so I can get what I want using LINUX. So MS has lost a long time customer from the origins of the PC to date. MS will never build a better APPLE nor should it. There is no excuse for building virus prone software in this day and age. MS paranoia has led them to manufacture in the back doors that hackers capitalize on to wreck havoc. We should be able to bring legal action vs MS for any and all damage wrought or enabled by their software. MS get your collective heads out of Uranus and get real with your OS. MFGRS stop bundling your systems with their OS, until then I would suggest the public and industry refuse to use your boxes or their software. Their wallets speak louder than our voices.
kf7cib6th Jul 2009 -
Microsoft's release of Screen cleaning product to coincide with W7 release.
I guess this sort of thing works ok with something like an iPhone, but I would not want to be groping my screen like he/she in the video.
andy24shaw6th Jul 2009 -
Star Fleet's Enterprise had touch interface 40 years ago
Touch technology is nothing new. For instance, the navigators of Starship Enterprise were using touch to interface with the ship's computers 40-odd years ago. Plus as they moved controls a cool sound was heard.
Now will Microsoft be acused of stealing from Star Fleet?
Terry Thomas
President
PC Tech
Atlanta, Georgia USA
AtlantaTerry7th Jul 2009 -
This technology is more for kiosk-type devices
I am developing a touchscreen application right now, but it is not for the PC market. While this sort of technology is pretty gimmicky for a PC (or laptop), it is fantastic for a kiosk-type device which by definition has no mouse of keyboard input. My application will sit inside a golf-club, and other uses could be in malls, or any public place, and combined with maps could be really useful for giving directions.
Cheers, Misha
mishac10th Jul 2009
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