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Ubuntu reveals plans for Lucid Lynx

Chris Duckett ZDNet Australia | September 21, 2009 5:31 AM PDT

Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth has detailed plans for the distribution's April 2010 release, code-named Lucid Lynx.

In a video message to attendees of UbuCon Atlanta, Shuttleworth said that 10.04 would be based on the Gnome 2.0 desktop and would extend the horizontal server scalability of Debian into cloud computing. Releases after Lucid Lynx would include the Gnome 3.0, which works on the desktop.

Lucid Lynx is the third biannual long-term support (LTS) release by Ubuntu; LTS releases are supported for three years for desktops and five years for servers.

"This is something that we get by virtue of the fact that we work with free software, you just couldn't do this with proprietary software because you don't have the visibility on the planning horizon," Shuttleworth said.

"Delivering Ubuntu 10.04 as an LTS, is the definitive proof that that two-year cadence works."Citing the Lynx deodorant namesake, Shuttleworth said: "This year's Ubuntu Developer Summit is going to be the sweetest smelling Ubuntu Developer Summit ever, despite the fact that it's happening in Dallas."

This article was originally published by ZDNet Australia.

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Ubuntu Developers Summit 2010
petri.koppinen@... 23rd Mar 2010
Ubuntu Developers Summit in 2010 won't be in Dallas like claimed in the article.
It is in Brussels in May 2010.

http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-Developers-Summit-2010-in-Brussels-in-May
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Linux distro's = future
Christian_<>< 21st Sep 2009
Linux distro's have a BRIGHT future since the developers are driving this and the code is superior to ANY closed source proprietary lethargic old software vendor.
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nt
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As Linux makes its way onto the enterprise desktops, it's not the "future" anymore.

But old habits do die hard.
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HAHAHA Nice FUD
Johnny Vegas 21st Sep 2009
Actually its not superior at all. It has far more bugs, including security bugs, than Windows.

The things it has going for it are that at first it cost less if you don't count management/support and for now the distros are still easier to customize than non embedded Windows.

For some people those are worth sacrificing security for...
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Sacrifice security?
JT82 21st Sep 2009
In what way? Actually my Ubuntu box is MORE secure than Windows because not only is my data encrypted (by default - set at install time), but I am using a non-administrative account and lets not forget SELinux (which is used by the NSA). Only way to access "administrative" tasks is by SUDO and supply a password in the "secure desktop", much akin to Vista. But there is currently no malware written for Linux either. So where exactly am I sacrificing security?
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Just like in Windows ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 21st Sep 2009
Actually my Windows box is just as, if not MORE secure than Linux because of Microsoft's Security Development Process that is now bearing fruit.

Not only that, but just like SOME versions of Linux, all my Windows machines' data is encrypted (set just after install time) and I am using a non-administrative accounts. And lets not forget Windows is used by practically every home, business, government and military agency in every country in the world.

Only way to access "administrative" tasks is by elevating a process and supplying a password in the "secure desktop", much akin to SELinux.

Whilst there is currently less malware written for Linux and apps running on Linux (although there is some), Vista & Win7 have significantly raised the bar making those OS' just as hard to hack (if not more so than Linux).

So I am able to get on with my life and enjoy some of the world's most powerful, productive and entertaining software and hardware without sacrificing security.
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Uh....riiiiiiiiiiiight. Sure
akulkis 22nd Sep 2009
Actually my Windows box is just as, if not MORE secure than Linux because of Microsoft's Security Development Process that is now bearing fruit.

Maybe.. but even then, only if it if the ethernet port is full of superglue so that it can't be connected to a network.

According to the Orange book, Windows on a network = no security.
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Funny...
saraithegeek 22nd Sep 2009
How much is Microsoft paying you to write that? I'm a little low on cash, I'd like to get in on this...
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See for yourself
Earthling2 Updated - 2nd Oct 2009
It's been published a long time ago, see http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2008.06.bitlocker.aspx.

BitLocker encrypts the whole disk or disks. At the reboot time, it also guarantees that the system is not altered, which provides more protection, for example, in case a laptop is taken away and then returned to you.

In Windows 7 BitLocker to Go encrypts USB keys. An IT administrator can configure the systems to disable copying documents to a USB key if it is not encrypted. More here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd408739.aspx.
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SDL code, kernel layering,......
Lester Young 21st Sep 2009
....and more processes restricted to user mode threads elevate the core OS security of Windows above that of Linux. But, as you point out, that's only one aspect of security.
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It is false to say...
Ceridan 21st Sep 2009
That one os is superior to another in terms of security.... Specially since Ubuntu(Linux distro) is similar to windows Vista/7 for security....

the potential of security related bugs is not greater or smaller in either Windows or Linux.

The only problems in Linux atm is the fact that you need to use bash command(command lines) to make some of the devices work(unfortunatly unlike Windows and Macs Linux require more steps for hardware "drivers" to work usually... althrough that is true for this old DV5000 series laptop...)

PS: comparing Windows XP to Linux... linux is more secure, but that is like comparing IE6 to FireFox 3.5...
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Well thats true BUT..
JT82 21st Sep 2009
the OS that will fit that "third" candidate will be one that does not bear the Linux title. People are afraid of that word. Ubuntu about has it right - just a few more tweaks and branding of "Ubuntu" [dropping the Linux] would spur more adoption. OEM's need to pick it up more too - there really are no "brick and mortar" channels for Ubuntu.

Its amazing what a little bit of advertising and marketing does for a product.
Can Linux run MSN messenger??

Can Linux run Windows Live???

Can Linux run games or any Windows based programs without going through the hit and miss additional layer of Wine being installed??

Does Linux have simple plug and play functionality with all kinds and sorts of hardware to the point where pretty much anything works with a few clicks???

Those are some of the most SIMPLE and basic things the general public demands of an OS. There are dozens of other things the public loves that Windows does and Linux does not.

Still.

After all these years and all those expectations and promises.

Linux is marvelous for what it is, and on the flipside, it is garbage for what it is not.

Linux enthusiast, get it through your head; if Linux works for you, bow down and pay homage, but if it is not for you then there are absolutely outstanding reasons why Linux should be avoided. At all costs.

To each his own. Live with it.
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to answer your questions...
danastasio 29th Oct 2009
1. no (though pidgin runs the protocol
perfectly, but we're not being logical right?)
2.Windows Live no, but it's nothing more than a
fancy looking waste of space, try Thunderbird
instead, you'll be glad you did.
3. Well, windows based programs are just that.
WINDOWS based. Can windows run Balsa, or
Transmission, or gedit or any other basic linux
based programs?
3. Yes, oh noob who is new to this "computer"
thing. Linux works natively with almost
anything. No you don't need a driver for
anything, even better, you don't need to
click... at all, are you sure you know what
plug 'n play is?
4. (discounting 1 and 2 for the reason listed
above) yes, yes it is, good thing linux has
been able to do it for many years now.
5. I really can't think of any reason that
anyone would need to avoid linux "At all
costs", as a matter of fact, my company
installs Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala on all
machines by default.

finally, something we agree on, "to each their
own", i couldn't put it better.

but i'll leave you with this, can your run
your entire operating system, along with a
browser, e-mail client and instant messenger
with using no more than 350 MB? No, you can't
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RE: Ubuntu reveals plans for Lucid Lynx
Loverock Davidson 21st Sep 2009
Same boring linux distros trying to promise the world but don't deliver. Nothing separates this version of Ubuntu from its previous versions. You are still going to have to find the source code and recompile everything. Still going to run into the same hardware issues as before. Why do the linux guys just not get this? Linux offers absolutely nothing over any other operating system and that is why people are not using it.
I have more or less made the switch from Windows to Ubuntu and I love it. The only time I have to be in Windows is to run World of Warcraft nicely - thats it- and now thats done on a virtual machine. Ubuntu runs MUCH MUCH better than Windows ever could. Upon completeing the less than 30 minute, easy, breezy setup (yes its completely menu driven) - I download a proprietary driver for my X-Fi sound card, run sudo apt-get install build-essential, compile the driver and install. Be advised that particular driver is the ONLY one in my system and is limited to cretative until the next kernel, namely .31, when it will be included by default. Ubuntu tells me there is a proprietary driver for my ATI card and offers to install that FOR me - no compiling required. The file systems are much more robust than NTFS and the computer boots in less than 1 minute to get to a usable desktop. Come the 10.4 release they are trying to get boot times to under 10 seconds - something Windows could only ever DREAM of.

So unless you have used linux in the past year, please dont spread fud.
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No, I'm right
Loverock Davidson 21st Sep 2009
I've tried linux, it is no where near what you say. There were constant updates, about 10 per day. I'd rather have a system that is completely stable and just works rather than deal with the constant daily patches of linux. Having to find source code for the 10 programs was a pain, having to recompile it was a pain. The problem with linux is that it is too time consuming to use because it requires constant attention and reconfiguring. You admitted to that yourself. Why would anyone settle for that? Linux does no good if you can't use it to run applications and do what you need it to do. That is the problem most people face when trying it, and that is why linux is on the decline. Good riddance.
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REALLY?
JT82 Updated - 21st Sep 2009
You cite "general" examples. You fail to give anything of any substance. Creative X-Fi drivers I'll give you - however thats funny, because I reinstalled Ubuntu 9.04 this weekend and I didnt have to do anything outside of compiling that X-Fi driver to get my system to get back to normal (albiet WoW is a bit messed up, but thats a seperate issue). What are these 10 programs? Why did you need source code? Most programs have binaries in the Add/Remove software wizard. What do you mean "daily patches"? Patching is a GOOD thing - not a bad, and if you are using it as a metric, you are wrong. In fact I even installed Ksplice to install kernel updates on the fly.

Further, I never admitted that Linux (well Ubuntu in this case) needs "constant maintainence and attention". Its basically set it and forget it. Its very stable actually - moreso than my Vista install as of late. Touching back on the "constant update" -its the same deal with MS, just rather than waiting 30 days, I get the update within a reasonable amount of time and the updates are just a lot smaller than the giant updates MS delivers 12 times a year.
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Really! (NT)
Loverock Davidson 21st Sep 2009
$
that you indeed ARE wrong and just spouting hot air as usual happy Enjoy your Windows world.


PS. This reminds me of a tag line that I heard way back... "In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?" happy
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Take whatever you want
Loverock Davidson 21st Sep 2009
But I'm not going to bring up counter points just to please you. All you need to know is that my posts are correct.
doesnt make it so. I've cited my points and expanded upon them. You are offering an opposing view point without merit. Burden of proof is on you happy

I have used both systems, I'm aware of each ones strengths and weaknesses. However your assertions based on current days Linux distros (and again namely Ubuntu, which is the one I use) is false. You havent picked it up and tried it. You should, just might expand that mind of yours a little bit.

Im not 100% Linux, I still need Windows (virtually) to run games that were made for Windows (IE>World of Warcraft), but thats all.
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@JT82
Loverock Davidson 21st Sep 2009
Its just the facts. You can choose to accept them or live in denial. My point of view is based on facts and observations from actually using linux. That is how I came to my conclusions, which is more than the average linux user will do.
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"Patching is a GOOD thing"
Bill4 21st Sep 2009
Unless you're using Windows or OSX, then it is very bad. I know. I read these posts and the ABM and ABA groups agree on this.
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Only the ignorant ones do...
JT82 21st Sep 2009
Turning off Automatic updates on Windows or any OS is asking for issues.
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CO-ORDINATED patching is a good thing ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 21st Sep 2009
... un-coordinated patching is a nightmare and is a major cost for most businesses. KSplice is a cool tool ... but only works some of the time and still doesn't prevent all OS down-time whilst patching.
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please
shis-ka-bob 21st Sep 2009
just stop talking when you run out of things to
say. you are completely wrong about Ubuntu. if
you are running gentoo, you can expect lots of
compiling, but this is about ubuntu.
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I'm not wrong
Loverock Davidson 21st Sep 2009
so I'll continue to say it.
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You are good
Viva la crank dodo 21st Sep 2009
at playing ignorant, I'll give you that.

wink
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Quit Lying
shaunehunter 21st Sep 2009
Loverock you've never used linux for more than a hour.

I've used linux exclusively for 8 years and never had to do any of that.

Or ever had to install 10 updates daily.

You sir are a troll and completely full of it.
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don't you think he looks tired
barence773 22nd Sep 2009
Loverock is posing as a linux-doubter, and deliberately spouts nonsense to provoke readers. He actually has used Ubuntu and knows how easy it is to install and configure.

Windows appears to be easier to use and configure to most users because they get Windows preinstalled and configured on PCs made for that purpose.

A clean install of Windows usually has poor graphics, no sound, and no office or other productivity software.

Ubuntu on the other hand will have decent graphics, even without the proprietary drivers, excellent sound, and a plethora of useful and entertaining software. And all of it is free.
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Well done Ubunbtu for almost catching up with Windows:
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 21st Sep 2009
After several years dealing with UNIX, I live in Windows and I love it.

The only time I have to be in UNIX is ... well ... never! I do have FreeBSD and SELinux installed in VM's but they never gets started - I just keep hold of them for historical reasons.

Windows7 runs MUCH MUCH better than Linux ever could. Upon completeing the less than 20 minute, easy, breezy setup (yes its completely menu driven) - I run Windows Update that then installs the few machine specific drivers that don't come bundled with the OS - no command-line fun and games for me!

Be advised that I don't have to compile any driver and don't have to wait for it to be included by default an any future OS release.

After it's run, Windows Update tells me that it installed the latest proprietary driver for my ATI card - no compiling required.

Windows' NTFS file systems are much more robust than NTFS and the computer boots in less than 40s to get to a usable desktop. Since I rarely need to reboot my machine, I enjoy almost instantaneous sleep & wake times and my machine automatically goes into deep-sleep when it's been dozing for a while. In fact, I woke up a laptop that had been in deep-sleep for almost 5 weeks yesterday and it was up and responsive in less than 25s.

Overall though, I enjoy getting on with my life and being productive with the largest range of supported hardware and software on the planet coupled with the largest, most enthusiastic ecosystem of vendors, partners, colleagues and friends of any other segment of the computer marketplace.
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Yes Bill...
proton_z 2nd Oct 2009
Who wrote that post someone from Redmond???
I'm glad you're happy you paid for it dearly...
Only time I get MS software is if it comes with a machine...I will not pay to "upgrade"..to pricey...Besides I like Karmic
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yeah, Redmond wrote it...
ericesque 3rd Oct 2009
The windows experience, that is. Easy to use,
compatible with the world.

To top it off, Microsoft has given me FREE
copies of every release of Windows since XP.
Each release was received through different
Microsoft sponsored programs. No special
connections. I just keep my eye out. So my out
of pocket expense for Microsoft OSs in the last
10 years: zip, zero, nada, zilch. Very pricey.

I went through my linux phase. It's fun to
tinker with. I spend 4-5 years on it-- mostly
Ubuntu (Breezy to Intrepid and dabbled with
Jaunty). I wouldn't discourage anyone from
trying it, but I'm also going to tell them the
truth: When I graduated from college, started a
family, and got a job I didn't have time for
the daily maintenance with linux. Windows just
lets me be productive.
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Gee, de-void, that is amazing...
prof123 4th Oct 2009
My MacBook Pro can sleep for 6 months and wake up in 3
seconds... how's that for speed? By the way, I
recommend you watch a video of the new Ubuntu Karmic
Koala (beta). This thing is so fast it will run circles
around Windows 7. Reboot time 10 seconds...
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so sad
danastasio 29th Oct 2009
you've been sucked in by the shiney blue ribbons
too eh? V.V
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False
Ceridan 21st Sep 2009
Linux is great to make use of older computers(that cannot run windows vista) because you don't have to buy it and still beneficiate from better security...

and btw: You dont need to compile the source each time with Ubuntu... only distros like gentoo REQUIRES frequent compiles...
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Wrong
Loverock Davidson 21st Sep 2009
Older computers still have the same OS it came with which eliminates the need to wipe it and go through the hassles of installing linux. Also, linux does not offer better security. They leave the telnet port open.
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"They leave the telnet port open."

"It's not installed on Ubuntu by default, and if you try to install it, a warning tells you it's not regarded as secure are you really sure (or something like that)" - from http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1103900.html

So again, you obviously havent used Ubuntu and your claims are wrong. I have an Ubuntu machine at home and it does NOT have port 23 (telnet) open for connections. If I want to use anything, I go the SSH route which is much more secure.

I also feel the need to remind you of this...

Fact: a piece of information presented as having objective reality

Opinion: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter.

From the evidence you have submitted, you could construe your "viewpoint" as "factual" upon the claims that it previously at one point in time existed; however it no longer does. Therefore you are under the guise of a misguided and antiquated fact - rendering it false and nothing more than a windbag spewing mindless opinions.
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You, JTB2, are wasting your time!
rahbm 24th Sep 2009
Please stop feeding the trolls.

It is pointless to try presenting facts to Lovey; there are none so blind as
those who will not see.
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My first computer which was installed with Win 95 and WinNT after crashing several times would not accept either. Just for the record, it was not crashing due to Windows rather than being a substandard mix of name brand hardware in which multiple pieces, including CPU, Mainboard and HD each 3 times. With such a piece of garbage you would think that NO OS would work on it yet Linux did and with less problems than Windows.

As for telnet, which distros and versions leave it open for which you have experience. From what I understand, none of the common distro's have done so.
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Glovelove Rabidson, wrong as usual
akulkis Updated - 22nd Sep 2009
Older computers still have the same OS it came with which eliminates the need to wipe it and go through the hassles of installing linux.

Unless you bought the older computer used from someone else, in which case Microshaft says that the software license is NON-TRANSFERABLE, which means that if you want to use that old laptop LEGALLY, then you have to either BUY a copy of windows (either an obsolete version, or something NEW that demands more hardware resources than that old laptop has), or you do the SMART thing and install Linux, one of the BSD's, or openSolaris.
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Barebones kits...
barence773 23rd Sep 2009
...do not come with operating systems, unless you choose to purchase one separately. So I downloaded and burned a copy of 64-bit Ubuntu 9.04, and installed that. Pretty good for free an self-configured (meaning I did all the tweaking and customizations myself).
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Facts?
Viva la crank dodo 21st Sep 2009
Programs that you had to compile? Distribution? Version? Hardware?
Anything?

Does anyone whether Windows lovers, Linux lovers or anyone in between accept this as credible when no details are shared?

Seriously, if you have the time to make an assertion for every article, don't you have time to actually include a little detail?
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Thats what I asked him...
JT82 21st Sep 2009
but he declined. But if you are going to piece-meal generalities, like he did, that would have held up 10 years ago - you really cant give detail can ya?
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You got it
Viva la crank dodo 21st Sep 2009
I figure I'll keep posting until I get more that a generic response. Other posters that dislike Linux at least show they have a bit of understanding but I haven't seen it from Loverock.

To be fair, Linux has its share of "Loverock" as well.
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I have them
Loverock Davidson 21st Sep 2009
and they have all been stated previously.
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Opinions have been stated
Viva la crank dodo 21st Sep 2009
but never anything to back them up so as to substantiate them as authoritative.

An opinion is not a fact no matter how often you state it or no matter how smart you insist yourself to be. Neither is an experience the rule any more than it may be the exception just because you want it to be.

If you have stated it before, why not post a link for the benefit of those you say hold your opinion of high respect. After all, it is for them that you have stated in the past that you continue to post.
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So you mean that Windows users are really stupid?
B.O.F.H. Updated - 21st Sep 2009
judging from your satirical post, you think that Windows users are so insanely stupid that the could not run another system (perhaps one as easy as Ubuntu)? Do you really have that low opinion of those that pay your minimum wage rates for your minimal skill position? Or is your opinion so low of those that "use" your services (looking up answers on-line for them and simple computer repairs (maybe))?
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Thanks
Viva la crank dodo 21st Sep 2009
for calling me back to my senses. I was starting to think his ignorance was real again rather than satire.
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Ubuntu Developers Summit 2010
petri.koppinen@... 23rd Mar 2010
Ubuntu Developers Summit in 2010 won't be in Dallas like claimed in the article.
It is in Brussels in May 2010.

http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-Developers-Summit-2010-in-Brussels-in-May

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