Finding your way through Fedora 17 (Gallery)

Finding your way through Fedora 17 (Gallery)

Summary: Fedora 17 is still cursed with the GNOME interface, but otherwise it shows promise.

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    Fedora 17, like any modern Linux, is simple to set up.

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    Fedora, requires you to be set up an ordinary user account. It’s a small, but nice, security feature that’s long been in Linux. 

  • The login screen, which uses users’ full names instead of their login names, is otherwise straight-forward

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  • Fedora

    Tried the Fedora KDE spin but it's a little spartan.

    The default GNOME 3 fails in my opinion. RPM package managers are a PITA compared to Debian-based systems. If I remember correctly from a few months ago the KDE spin doesn't include firefox. Nor does it include oxygen-gtk for a unified look on KDE when using gtk apps. It's almost as if Fedora wants KDE to look bad. The KDE spin is still far better on Fedora than the G3 insanity.
    Tim Patterson
  • I like gnome 3

    I can't wait until it's fully touch-enabled. Then it's tablet time for me. :D
    pgit
    • Maybe

      G3 might work well on a tablet but it fails on desktops with lots of screen real estate.

      KDE doesn't force a tablet UI on the desktop. They provide a powerful desktop UI, a UI for smaller screens and a touch enabled tablet UI Plasma Active. KDE is about choice. GNOME has always been about forcing their devs ideas on users.
      Tim Patterson
      • KDE touch

        ironically, the KDE team is the one working on a fully touch enabled DE. They're on track to beat any other straight-up Linux in the race for the tablet form factor.

        I really would prefer gnome 3 in that scenario, it handles activities in a far more rational way, adding them only when you open a new app on a blank activity, and automatically dumping them when not in use.

        If you have no apps open, there's only one activity resident in RAM. KDE makes you select how many activities you wish to have, and they are static. You can of course manually change them, add or subtract, but that's a PITA nobody will do. Ergo KDE will occupy more real estate than gnome 3 on average.

        The flow of gnome 3 is just plain cool, almost natural, at least to me it makes a lot of sense and is quite logical. Actually, users I show my fedora 17 alpha test bed like gnome 3 too, it appears to have a very low learning curve.

        I do agree, if you have grater than 14 or so inches on your screen, gnome 3 becomes a serious impediment to productivity. I use KDE myself, eg atm I am using a lappy with Mandriva 2011/KDE 4.6.
        pgit
      • G3 isn't horrible

        I've been using Gnome 3 on my desktop for about eight months (Fedora 15 and 16). My desktop has a 30" 2560x1600 display.

        I like Gnome 3 less than Gnome 2. But it isn't a disaster. I hope that Fedora 17 brings some nice small improvements.

        Here's a list of the small things that bug me in Fedora 16's Gnome 3.

        For the first time in my life, I've resorted to using the Windows Key. That's a lot easier gesture than moving the mouse to the top left corner of the screen. I think modes are a mistake, as Larry Tesler's tee shirt said "Don't mode me in". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modeless

        I used to like leaving files on my desktop: a nice temporary and visible repository. That's gone with Gnome 3. It turns out that I don't miss it a lot.

        I used to like selected gizmos on the bar at the top of the screen. Things like CPU meters. Now you only get a very small selection.

        Launching a new xterm is a lot more awkward. I used to click an icon on the top bar. Now I have to right-click on the xterm entry I added to the favorites bar (is that what it's called?) and select New Window. What used to take one mouse click now takes (1) a mouse sweep to top left corner OR Windows keypress to get favourites bar exposed (2) right click on xterm icon (3) select New Window. Yuck. Of course you can blame xterm, but it's got tenure.

        When I move (drag) windows, sometimes Gnome 3 decides I want to make them full screen. I have to double-click to undo that mistake. If I wanted full screen, I think that there are clearer gestures than dragging that already work. Seems dumb but there may be a rationale that I've not seen.

        PS: I like Ubuntu's Unity even less but I haven't used it all that much.
        HughRed
  • For a Linux guy

    You sure do use Windows a lot.
    adacosta38
  • Gnome 3

    Gnome 3
    You really have an endless supply of desk top icons. No need to put icons on desktop. No need to customize menus. Who cares if system setting is under other. Press windows key* then just start typing first few letters of icon you want. Your icon appears on the desktop. Use up and down arrow keys along with enter key to select icon that appears. Type sy and system settings icon appears. Type ch or g and Google Chrome icon appears. Type wr and LibreWriter icon appears. Type sp or ca and LibreCalc(Spreadsheet) icon appears. Type add or remove to add/remove software. Type ph or sh and Shotwell (photos) icon appears. Type fi and file manger icon appear. Type te and terminal icon appears. You can drag any of these icons to the Dash bar (favorites and running apps) on the left of screen. You can remove any icon from Dash bar by dragging icon and trash can will appear at bottom of Dash bar for you to drop it into. To see all icon applications installed on your system press windows key then click applications. No more hunting to find which category or drop down menu has the item you want.

    Notes:
    *Use windows key (bottom left on keyboard) or just move cursor to top left extreme corner or click Activities in same corner. Toggle windows key back and forth for overview.
    Click you name in top right corner for Logout or Suspend or Power Off (hold alt key down and Suspend will change to Power Off).
    Ctrl key and Alt key together and up or down arrow to move from one workspace to another.
    Windows key then drag open programs to another workspaces on right side of screen.
    If you have more then one program open at the same time press windows key (for overview) and reselect the one you want to use. In overview click on program you want or when over program scroll up to select it. With more than one program running hold down Alt key and press tab key repeatedly and release on item you want to use from the application switcher.
    Alt key and f2 key to enter a command. (ctrl key and enter if you want command in a new terminal window) esc key to exit.
    Drag window to top of screen to maximize or double click top edge of window. Pull it down again to unmaximize.
    Drag window to far left or right of screen to title window to half of screen.

    Lauching terminal or a new terminal window:
    Windows key, then type "t" or "term" or "terminal" (enter) For new 2nd window shift+ctrl+n or right click on top of terminal window, select open terminal. (for new tab shift+ctrl+t or right click select open tab)

    Using Fedora 16 with Gnome 3. I like it, grandparents think it easier. They say they only have to remember icon name to locate it quickly.
    tktim
  • goth?

    I like black, I'm almost 60.
    spin498
  • Steven?

    You publish screenshots from virtualbox (and as I see from windows)? are you so retarded or it's just a joke??
    ganjalife
    • How do you know he's using Windows?

      You must not use Linux, or you'd already know the following.

      There's many ways to make KDE, Gnome 2.x and XFCE look a whole lot like Windows, or anything else, for that matter. You can make Gnome 2.x and XFCE look like almost anything you want. That's one of the reasons people hate Gnome 3. It breaks all those Gnome 2.x themes that have allowed Linux users to customize the look and feel of their desktop.

      http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=842243
      djchandler