First look at Windows 7 beta 1
by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | December 27, 2008 5:35am PST | Image 1 of 61
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If users can't get the bad taste of Vista out of their mouths why would they eat something that looks like it again?
Too much like vista? What are you expecting, a brand new UI? There's nothing wrong with the current one.
You're missing an apostrophe, just
thought I'd point that out (oooh, see, another
apostrophe) - just teasing.
Quick tip - the apostrophe has three uses:
1) to form possessives of nouns
2) to show the omission of letters
3) to indicate certain plurals of lowercase letters.
On a more related note, I generally like Vista aside
from memory management issues and the terrible UI of
the networking center.
I look forward to Win7, hope it lives up to some of
the hype.
thought I'd point that out (oooh, see, another
apostrophe) - just teasing.
Quick tip - the apostrophe has three uses:
1) to form possessives of nouns
2) to show the omission of letters
3) to indicate certain plurals of lowercase letters.
On a more related note, I generally like Vista aside
from memory management issues and the terrible UI of
the networking center.
I look forward to Win7, hope it lives up to some of
the hype.
"I look forward to Win7, hope it lives up to some of the hype." is NOT proper. Either you should have used the word "and" instead of the comma OR you should have used a semicolon and added another "I" before "hope." And, before you write back to say that the period after "hope" in my last sentence should be AFTER the quote, please note that a quote at the end of a sentence must include the period within the quotation marks.
I think you meant to say "And" not "An" in your subject. Idiot. Learn to speel!
Get off this site kid.
I paid almost ?300 for Vista Ultimate and have been very happy with it so far, with none of the problems that other have experienced evident on either my wife's laptop or my own machine (Individual and Separate Installations ... more fool me!).
My question now, is this: Why would I give any more money to MS when it now appears that they are not going to support Vista with all the promised "extras" etc., now that they have moved on to Windows 7?
Add to this the next question I see appearing within the next 12 months or so: Why has MS abandoned Windows 7 for whatever "new" (similar) incarnation comes next? Could this be another "financial" decision? Why did the makers of "long life" electric bulbs suddenly change their design for less "long life" versions?
I have always been a supporter of Microsoft over the years but this is just too friggin' much dudes, and my next machine will either be unix based or a Mac, as much as it hurts me to say that, as I have always hated Apple for not being open architecture! End of Rant ... for now at least!
My question now, is this: Why would I give any more money to MS when it now appears that they are not going to support Vista with all the promised "extras" etc., now that they have moved on to Windows 7?
Add to this the next question I see appearing within the next 12 months or so: Why has MS abandoned Windows 7 for whatever "new" (similar) incarnation comes next? Could this be another "financial" decision? Why did the makers of "long life" electric bulbs suddenly change their design for less "long life" versions?
I have always been a supporter of Microsoft over the years but this is just too friggin' much dudes, and my next machine will either be unix based or a Mac, as much as it hurts me to say that, as I have always hated Apple for not being open architecture! End of Rant ... for now at least!
You don't seem to have a problem with money or else you would have an Apple puter by now. I have been into puters for over 35 years and have seen MS grow from nothing to where it is now. It is time for all NS lovers - slaves - followers to say they want an OS for 10 years not as soon as they get comfortable with a OS there is a new OS. Come on this is foolish and not for me if I have 400 licenses to buy every time MS needs money.
Well I sure hope its snappier than Vista in every way, I have been running Vista ultimate 64bit, and still had to do tons of tweaks shown here:
http://pcwizkid.blogspot.com/2007/09/windows-vista-tips.html
to get it to run the way I want.
cheers
http://pcwizkid.blogspot.com/2007/09/windows-vista-tips.html
to get it to run the way I want.
cheers
your change of owner name tip. Would this also change your NTFS permissions?
I tried to get rid of Norton off my Vista installation the other day, and realized I had almost no privileges in installing software from then on; even though I was configured as administrator.
It was a constant headache of taking ownership of one folder or another so I could get anything to install, and actually be functionable. I finally gave up and restored the drive to default factory condition.(wipe and reinstall)
The only thing I'd add to that, is that I hope the old NIS 2008 is more stable than the new version.
I tried to get rid of Norton off my Vista installation the other day, and realized I had almost no privileges in installing software from then on; even though I was configured as administrator.
It was a constant headache of taking ownership of one folder or another so I could get anything to install, and actually be functionable. I finally gave up and restored the drive to default factory condition.(wipe and reinstall)
The only thing I'd add to that, is that I hope the old NIS 2008 is more stable than the new version.
They need to stop building on this same old resource hog of a platform and start over. They need to start from scratch with a new kernel, memory manager, windowing platform, services, etc. They also need to audit their code to ensure its optimized and secure. So much bad code from novice and intermediate coders makes it into the final product its a shame. Unfortunately they don't seem to be doing much of either of these and that is why their product is a joke...
I wasted my money on VISTA because it
was pre-installed. It's performance
sucks - memory and speed. Don't
shove it to us again because I won't
buy anything that has Windows 7 in
was pre-installed. It's performance
sucks - memory and speed. Don't
shove it to us again because I won't
buy anything that has Windows 7 in
Windows 7 was supposed to be a stripped down version of Vista written in the same code.
if there was programme that allows linux to run every programme in the world through emulation
and was free. it would do serious damage to Microsoft.
Or if computers started to come with an extra slot and where never ever pre installed with any OS and this extra slot needed you to put a hard drive like thing (lets call it an OS stick) , and the OS stick had the OS system on it depending in which buy . That would do serious damage.
Or if all COmputers came built in with Both Linux and Windows and when windows got a virus or a problem and the ser can only acces the boot menu but can then choose to use linux and is forced to becuase Windows no longer function becuase of viruses that would also kil.
Microsoft has a good relationship with Dell, HP e.t.c
uying only
and was free. it would do serious damage to Microsoft.
Or if computers started to come with an extra slot and where never ever pre installed with any OS and this extra slot needed you to put a hard drive like thing (lets call it an OS stick) , and the OS stick had the OS system on it depending in which buy . That would do serious damage.
Or if all COmputers came built in with Both Linux and Windows and when windows got a virus or a problem and the ser can only acces the boot menu but can then choose to use linux and is forced to becuase Windows no longer function becuase of viruses that would also kil.
Microsoft has a good relationship with Dell, HP e.t.c
uying only
Pretty big list there. Plus it sort of papers over the fact that a ton of (cheap) linux preinstalled machines get returned 'cos the linux learning curve is too steep for 'muppet' users who don't understand what they are buying and dont look further than the price ticket.
And your post appears to be based on the idea that large numbers of viruses affect windows because there is something wrong with windows. As soon as there are demographically significant numbers of people using linux, then the virus writers will follow.
And your post appears to be based on the idea that large numbers of viruses affect windows because there is something wrong with windows. As soon as there are demographically significant numbers of people using linux, then the virus writers will follow.
Install 64-bit Windows Vista on a fast computer (e.g. Intel Core 2 Quad, 8GB RAM, 512MB or greater video RAM) and you CAN run any Linux or Windows program.
It's called virtualization (e.g. VMWare and VirtualBox).
The first paragrah pretty much describes my setup.
This message was brought to you by Fedora 10, running in VirtualBox in Windows Vista Ultimate.
All software/OS' mentioned here are 64-bit.
It's called virtualization (e.g. VMWare and VirtualBox).
The first paragrah pretty much describes my setup.
This message was brought to you by Fedora 10, running in VirtualBox in Windows Vista Ultimate.
All software/OS' mentioned here are 64-bit.
It amuses me that some of the posters, without any hands-on experience with Win7 beta, are pronouncing it a POS Vista retread. I've not met so many psychics before, but I guess they already knew that.
I can get a 5 licence home user for $99 then count me in, or it is the Tux all the way. Note to Steve Ballmer: there is a credit crunch on so we all have to downsize a bit, including windows ! Just can't get rid of this nagging feeling though that we are only at the tip of the iceberg for malware attacks against windows, I think the ante is going to get seriously upped in 2009. Nice taskbar though are they going to give credit to the KDE team ?
Many of the features that Windows 7 offers at this stage are where Longhorn was in 2003. Windows Future Storage (WinFS) has finally made its appearance in Windows 7 as the Libraries feature. Essentially, for those that have been watching Microsoft's OS development closely since LongHorn, we can see many different ideas that weren't fully implemented back then now fully implemented. Windows 7 seems to be a step in the right direction, even if it is too little, too late.
Is it me or is the font they chose for Vista and W7 just hard to
read???
I don't like it.
Why cant they simply even more? The icons and everything still
just look blah, ya know? I dunno, just nuthin I see here gets me
excited....about W7 you wierdos!!!
read???
I don't like it.
Why cant they simply even more? The icons and everything still
just look blah, ya know? I dunno, just nuthin I see here gets me
excited....about W7 you wierdos!!!
Looks like another slow resource hog, just like Vista. Apple
has proven that you can have a fast OS, even with all the
pretty stuff enabled. Why can't MS? For me, I'll still run XP
when I need to use Windows, which honestly isn't very often.
has proven that you can have a fast OS, even with all the
pretty stuff enabled. Why can't MS? For me, I'll still run XP
when I need to use Windows, which honestly isn't very often.
Since I have notice many comments on how bad this new version is how many of you acttully have a beta test version?
BTW how does it look like a resouce hog. I cant tell just by looking at screen shots.
For me I will be testing the beta on 15 year old hardware and then see if it will run and how well.
And for the guy who posted way up at the top I do believe they have completely redone then Kernel to what was known as MinWin so it is not just another build it was built from the ground up (Again)
What I would complain about is that Microsoft is trying to patent a pay as you go OS which over the long haul will cost user more than there PC and OS. To me that is a joke and anyone who goes that route is blind.
Thanks for the listen to an old man on a soap box
BTW how does it look like a resouce hog. I cant tell just by looking at screen shots.
For me I will be testing the beta on 15 year old hardware and then see if it will run and how well.
And for the guy who posted way up at the top I do believe they have completely redone then Kernel to what was known as MinWin so it is not just another build it was built from the ground up (Again)
What I would complain about is that Microsoft is trying to patent a pay as you go OS which over the long haul will cost user more than there PC and OS. To me that is a joke and anyone who goes that route is blind.
Thanks for the listen to an old man on a soap box
I am still an XP user and have not made the change to Vista. I agree after fixing some neighbor's network that the interface is a bit tough in Vista. Overall however, I am always hearing people mention bad memory management and poor performance for windows in general over the years.
I often wonder, what are you people doing that you are always worried about the memory so much? Is it just that you are always spending all your time looking at how efficiently a computer runs? I game and even with that, I don't fuss over memory any where near as much as often as it seems to come up in any windows conversation.
I often wonder, what are you people doing that you are always worried about the memory so much? Is it just that you are always spending all your time looking at how efficiently a computer runs? I game and even with that, I don't fuss over memory any where near as much as often as it seems to come up in any windows conversation.
I tend to agree.
For work I do occasionally have to move vast amounts of data around - to this end I got vista 64 on a top end pc. Nothing too special. and I am often struck by the juxtaposition between the vast number of people whinging about vista being a resource hog, and having dreadfull memory management. And the fact that I very rarely come across anyone doing work that is anything like as demanding as the work I do.
For me when I am processing a a few gig of lidar data, a further gig or so of structure models, a couple of hundred meg of imagery. in 3d, in real time. I'm not thinking about how poorly vista does this. Im thinking how on xp I couldnt do this at all. makes me think that maybe the problem is that the boss monsters on the latest games are too hard too kill, and whining about vista is gamers way of letting off steam - like kicking the dog
For work I do occasionally have to move vast amounts of data around - to this end I got vista 64 on a top end pc. Nothing too special. and I am often struck by the juxtaposition between the vast number of people whinging about vista being a resource hog, and having dreadfull memory management. And the fact that I very rarely come across anyone doing work that is anything like as demanding as the work I do.
For me when I am processing a a few gig of lidar data, a further gig or so of structure models, a couple of hundred meg of imagery. in 3d, in real time. I'm not thinking about how poorly vista does this. Im thinking how on xp I couldnt do this at all. makes me think that maybe the problem is that the boss monsters on the latest games are too hard too kill, and whining about vista is gamers way of letting off steam - like kicking the dog
I have seen it explained in these blogs. Vista loads frequently used programs into memory so as to save time when you need them, so it will show more memory used than is actually so.But if you need it, it will free the space up. If you actually ran out then you could say it is a hog.
but I will use it for HD video authoring and processing.The only slow downs I've noticed must be related to poor application control in managing the multicore processes.
I imagine this will improve as coders come up with updates to better utilize the quad processor I'm using.
I imagine this will improve as coders come up with updates to better utilize the quad processor I'm using.
Not impressed. Will give even worse FPS in games most likely.
I can't help noticing that all my os's seem to work as youd expect, xp is ok, vista 32 on my quad core 2.5G chip with 4 gig is better, and vista 64 on the beast at work is brilliant (except for drivers...still)
MS have acknowledged that they dropped the ball big time in the release of vista, hope the lessons learned will allow a smoother launch for 7
MS have acknowledged that they dropped the ball big time in the release of vista, hope the lessons learned will allow a smoother launch for 7
Ok I'm still a XP Home user. And I want to know if
Windows 7 is like the XP that followed version ME as a
comparison. Will waiting till Win 7 be a good choice
or should we expect something to follow that will be
even better?
Windows 7 is like the XP that followed version ME as a
comparison. Will waiting till Win 7 be a good choice
or should we expect something to follow that will be
even better?
I have to say that I'm looking forward very much to testing out Windows 7. For those complaining that "It looks like Vista" or "It's built on the Vista kernel," why is that a bad thing? They have a solid place to begin and can work to improve it. Isn't this what Linux builds have been doing for a long time?
I tested Vista early on and found that, while it was a bit of a resource hog, it didn't run too badly on new hardware with 2GB of RAM or more. The problem with Vista was mostly caused by the "Vista Capable" machines out there and folks trying to run it on a machine that was close to the minimum specs. Also, if you turn off the bells and whistles it makes it more responsive.
I personally don't run Windows Vista on any of my machines, but not because it isn't a good OS. I don't run it because I had licenses for Windows XP and see no reason at this point to pay for a license.
Please don't think I'm just an MS fanboy. I also run Fedora 10 and OpenSuse 11.1 on machines. I would probably be tempted to move strictly to a Linux distribution if getting everything to work with it was as simple as getting things to work with Windows. Yes, I know some would contend that it is just as easy to do on Linux, if you know what you're doing. However, it's not as intuitive in my opinion. Also, while I think the product is not really for me, I can't argue that MacOSX has been anything other than pretty stable and easy to use for those who have Macs.
To give credit where credit is due, each OS has its good and bad points. It's just a matter of which one each individual feels comfortable with.
I tested Vista early on and found that, while it was a bit of a resource hog, it didn't run too badly on new hardware with 2GB of RAM or more. The problem with Vista was mostly caused by the "Vista Capable" machines out there and folks trying to run it on a machine that was close to the minimum specs. Also, if you turn off the bells and whistles it makes it more responsive.
I personally don't run Windows Vista on any of my machines, but not because it isn't a good OS. I don't run it because I had licenses for Windows XP and see no reason at this point to pay for a license.
Please don't think I'm just an MS fanboy. I also run Fedora 10 and OpenSuse 11.1 on machines. I would probably be tempted to move strictly to a Linux distribution if getting everything to work with it was as simple as getting things to work with Windows. Yes, I know some would contend that it is just as easy to do on Linux, if you know what you're doing. However, it's not as intuitive in my opinion. Also, while I think the product is not really for me, I can't argue that MacOSX has been anything other than pretty stable and easy to use for those who have Macs.
To give credit where credit is due, each OS has its good and bad points. It's just a matter of which one each individual feels comfortable with.
I like the OS very much. Looks great, performs quickly and is compatible with all my old and new peripherals up to this point. Solid A.
I'm really looking forward to Windows 7. I have never thought about it before but the new Taks bar looks allot like that in KDE 4.x. Nice to see.
It is Vista just a different GUI to make it look a little different so we will buy it. The build has not changed that much. Got a love it.
It is Vista! It just has a different GUI so we will want to buy it. Its all about the marketing the build is not so different.
From what I read MinWin sounds like it was designed to make virtualization and/or porting of Windows Kernels easier. It seems MinWin will run on the hardware and provide VM services to windows kernels, the legacy kernels will be run in a VM, new kernels will run in a VM ... that way new kernels can have the legacy stuff ripped out (finally).
If done right, it should offer faster porting to new CPUs, allow old/new kernels to run on old/new cpus (or other VMs).
The penalty would come be there for LEGACY KERNELS, as they would have the MinWin and VM (possibly) as overhead ... but if Microsoft develops a NEW KERNEL with no legacy support ... (Win7?) to run on MinWin and a LEGACY KERNEL is also available, then you should see performance go up for the NEW, and, down slightly on the LEGACY.
IF I UNDERSTAND IT PROPERLY.
If done right, it should offer faster porting to new CPUs, allow old/new kernels to run on old/new cpus (or other VMs).
The penalty would come be there for LEGACY KERNELS, as they would have the MinWin and VM (possibly) as overhead ... but if Microsoft develops a NEW KERNEL with no legacy support ... (Win7?) to run on MinWin and a LEGACY KERNEL is also available, then you should see performance go up for the NEW, and, down slightly on the LEGACY.
IF I UNDERSTAND IT PROPERLY.
that MinWin was a separate project from Windows 7; more a research project at that.
I'm not sure how any of it was injected into developement; probably more for the future, I would think.
I always figured Redmond wanted something stripped down to compete with all the small open source software going into small mobile devices, ect.
I'm not sure how any of it was injected into developement; probably more for the future, I would think.
I always figured Redmond wanted something stripped down to compete with all the small open source software going into small mobile devices, ect.
I think it would be cool if thay made the desktop image like a screensaver, like if that fish was swimming around on you desktop:D
HOPE MICROSOFT READS THIS:D
HOPE MICROSOFT READS THIS:D
As I'm not using windows and haven't ever had Vista, I think
that Windows 7 is... same as Vista. Cannot find any
differences apart from the new bottom bar.
Well, Apple is also not going to introduce many new features
in their Snow Leopard and focus rather on the optimization
of the code and rewriting some major applications (like
Finder). Lets see who will win the next battle, but I'm pretty
sure that it will be Apple again.
that Windows 7 is... same as Vista. Cannot find any
differences apart from the new bottom bar.
Well, Apple is also not going to introduce many new features
in their Snow Leopard and focus rather on the optimization
of the code and rewriting some major applications (like
Finder). Lets see who will win the next battle, but I'm pretty
sure that it will be Apple again.
Why all the noise about a beta version? Microsoft has used the release beta before to get others to find the errors, then fixed them (mostly) and put out the real version. Remember Win 98 (followed by 98b)?
When they actually start selling a finished(?) version it will be worth the comparisons and comments. It will work well or not--then the fun can begin. Having started building computers for IBM in the 1950s and continuing building, writing programs, doing installations and solving problems I have my doubts that Microsoft will ever put out a well built program--maybe they just aren't smart enough? I just got a new portable that came with Vista, stripped it and put in XP Pro. Wait for the real 7 and then we'll see.
When they actually start selling a finished(?) version it will be worth the comparisons and comments. It will work well or not--then the fun can begin. Having started building computers for IBM in the 1950s and continuing building, writing programs, doing installations and solving problems I have my doubts that Microsoft will ever put out a well built program--maybe they just aren't smart enough? I just got a new portable that came with Vista, stripped it and put in XP Pro. Wait for the real 7 and then we'll see.
new blood good,need more details on beta testing sites
The wallpaper is Siamese fighting fish(Betta splendens). Betta for Beta version. Is it a coincidence or an error? They must have thought the fish is Beta splendens.
Siamese fighting fish(Betta splendens). Betta for Beta version. Coincidence or an error? They must have thought the fish is Beta splendens.
Siamese fighting fish(Betta splendens). It's Betta for Beta version. Coincidence or an error?
Siamese fighting fish(Betta splendens). It's Betta for Beta version. Coincidence or an error?
Microsoft, stop trying!!! people keeps upgrading to linux.....
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