Iceberg: the software development revolution

A couple of weeks ago some person on your staff wrote and article to the effect of "do real men write their own web instructions" or use web page generation tools.

Same here, all these tools are just cool and peachy until they go sideways. Then you better know how to program or your goose is cooked.

This reminds me of the compilers we used to use to
speed up the programs written in 'basic' many many
years ago...

Does allow you to access the code behind? If it's writing html does it give you a readable format when you want to look at it, or does give a scrunched up blob that I'm going to have to spend hours formatting to see what in the world the thing's trying to do and how it screwed up?

Now try and add new functionality (better call a nerd). We also call this WF. Except WF is faster, which is sad considering how bad it is.

Complete reuse of the code certainly the next genration development IDE. Way to go .. super

Sounds good, great article but where does someone go to find out more? Google only gives infor about icebergs (cold ones) or some software from the Mac. An article like this should at least have a link to the actual site!!!

seems gr8

Although it all sound pretty good - judging by the responsiveness of the folks at Iceberg to queries & inquiries - I really don't think it is ready for any serious use.

I sent an email to get more info on the hosting option and no response. Same result with the contact us page. Call this the "Sound of Silence" not Iceberg.

It is very hard to find critical information such as minimal deployment requirements from their web site (e.g. as can it run on Win XP professional etc.).

I did download Iceberg and tried to install it - but it just stopped midway giving a error page which did not even give a meaningful error message to act on.

I will pass on this until other real-life users can prove this is ready for serious use.

As a consultant I was hoping to do some R&D before recommending my clients to evaluate the potential use of IceBerg

Hi, I am Wayne Byrne the CEO of Iceberg.

Firstly sorry for the delay responding to this post,
we get coverage on a lot of blogs and it's not always
possible to keep track of the comments on each of them
but I do like to help where I can.

I just noticed your message here and was very
surprised to hear you contacted us but didn't get a
response.

Admittedly when this article was out in 08 I do recall
being very busy but I am still surprised that your
email slipped through the cracks.

The issue you mentioned was something some of the
trial users experienced but was caused more by the sql
server installation on desktops than Iceberg in our
experience.

Either way after such a long time I am sure you have
moved on but I would be very happy to hear from you
and set you up with a hosted trial you can use.

Please don't hesitate to contact me at
wayne@geticeberg.com

Thank you,

Wayne Byrne
CEO
Iceberg

That is really a big question. Google's servers are the heart of Google's business. And it has long been a FEATURE, a FEATURE, not a LOOPHOLE, that one could privately modify the GPL code they use to run their business. Of course web applications are obviously SaaS. But where does one draw the line between those applications and the servers that host them? For example, take an insurance company running open source on their back end servers. At some point they decide to put a customer facing front end on those servers so that customers can access their accounts over the Net. Does that suddenly make that whole kaboodle Saas? If so, I am not sure I am comfortable with AGPL. In fact, I am not sure I am comfortable with this concept anyway since it undercuts one of the few provisions that make GPL software highly attractive to businesses that are not engaged in reselling the software itself. It really compromises the spirit of the GPL in some ways

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